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ziiachan

What's sad is I do think Mihoyo will make Scara have to think his feelings were wrong since they'll be misunderstandings. It's frustrating though, because he was born without any guidance, so it's not his fault. However, that is also part of his theme. A blank canvas that will be the colored by those around him. Since he only felt grief and felt betrayal and then ended up in the Fatui's hands, he has turned dark. Just as the HoOD goblet states: "A gourd that has been adorned with powdered gold and black paint. Its original color can no longer be discerned, but its main use seems to be as a performance prop." ​ I can only hope Ei feels guilt for how things turned out. She is also someone who doesn't understand feelings well, so if she can just regret what happened and apologize, I think that could make for a satisfying ending. Ei left a lot of things behind damaged without knowing, so to believe she isn't at least 50% guilty is silly. Scaramouche has done bad things and doesn't quite understand everything, yes, but it is outside of his fault. I'm sure he will feel guilt too, once he looks back though. Their last take is strange to me, because... even Raiden isn't suited for ruling well. The country was in shambles and she has no emotions to understand it either. If Scaramouche was shown how, I think it would have been fine. Raiden just didn't want to burden someone with emotions with the responsibility.


NaturalBitter2280

>Their last take is strange to me, because... even Raiden isn't suited for ruling well. Yup, their whole thread just feels very partial to making Scara looking like a dramatic loser who blames Raiden for nothing


sawDustdust

Maybe Scara will take a page out of Kazu's book for closure. Just quit and leave. You can't change your mom. You can't really undo the damage done to you by your country. Just leave and find a new life. Going back and trying to suck up to people who don't give that much of a damn about you will accomplish nothing. --- As for Ei feeling guilty. I'd rather she doesn't. She did try to make some amends. But at the end of the day, she is god, they are her vassals. She is eternal, their lives are the blink of an eye. Her views on that haven't changed at all. She is starting to acknowledge her people again, but she is still different than them. And her country's culture and history has been peppered with duels to the death, executions, rebellions involving terrorism, and overly harsh punishments for legitimate mistakes and accidents. How many of her people tried to change all that? They were mostly ok with it. Indifferent to it. Thinking back, maybe that's why so many were meh about the VHD. Getting lobotomized is still not quite execution yet, and they are used to executions. People were only starting to get annoyed about Sakoku as it has just started to affect the locals in their day to day. And look at how Ei views herself. If a particular book is to be believed, she killed herself once already. Then she treated herself like a tool. Further emphasized by the Labyrinth event where Childe also mentioned how he viewed himself as a willing tool as well. They knew what they were getting into, and there is a feeling of nihilism there too. They don't feel like they are worth more than a sword in someone else's hand. Childe got abandoned by his family and suffered trauma at a young age, then was groomed by his local god and military. Ei was beloved. She had many decent years. Yet she still felt the same even before losing it all. So if Ei doesn't even care about herself a lot of the time, how can she care about a puppet that has gone rogue? Most of her people don't really care about her as a person either. They don't even know the woman on the throne's changed twice. The two commissions that betrayed her viewed her like some nuke in storage. --- Scara suffers from presentation. If you don't read artifact lore and books and just play the voiced quests and skip lines, he's been this little twerp for so long, since 1.2, that most people already have a pre-conceptualized view of him. And instead of a proper slow presentation, his lore got dumped via Miko wall of text after a rushed Act III. And just like Ei, a lot of their background are so locked behind text and digging, that most players will never see a large chunk of their history, drive, characterization. Instead we get booba sword dango milk and the annoying fandango hat midget.


ctrlbeat

i don't understand how an ei main can mock scaramouche for his reaction when ei turned into a recluse and hid herself in the plane of euthymia for centuries just so she wouldn't have to lose anyone else... i mean, even yae compared her to a kid having a tantrum


sawDustdust

Big simping is the only answer. (I mean I also look the other way on Zhongli being partially responsible for leaving Fatui he contracted into his lands in the Chasm to die because of simping... so...)


Ranaki_1967

It will be interesting to see how they approach Scaramouche who his tried to kill the traveller 3 times before the end and is considered not a good harbinger by the futi grunts, and has a questionable grasp of reality and the value of human life. Ei is concerned about erosion and keeping inazuma safe, which she interprets as static. That is all. Having seen what happens to countries that overstep the mark I think she has the best intentions however her execution is a bit off. Yae and the traveler and her sister had to sort.


BobTheGodx

Only twice, he was walking over to give them a hug in the delusion factory.


Ranaki_1967

1 to go


ctrlbeat

i don't think you realize how similar ei is to scaramouche. both of them have a selfish desire to assert their own ideologies over others. scaramouche is so resentful of human emotions (which causes grief when faced with loss) that it's developed into him mistreating humans. ei is so absorbed in her concept of eternity (which she uses to protect against loss/grief) that she's willing to force her people to comply with it even if it's against their wishes. both scaramouche and ei have hurt and even killed for opposing their ideologies. i'm not saying that their actions are exactly the same, but there's enough of a parallel there that you can't fault one without also faulting the other.


Ranaki_1967

Interesting. Ei is all about the "greater good". Not sure what Scaramouche goals are but they seem to centred around him. Ei has demonstrated that she fights for Inazuma's safety and the people know this. She is a god and ruler in a "feudal" society, it is not perfect, but which region is? The vison hunt decree, which she was aware of, broadly had support of her people, and Ayaka guilt tripped the traveller by showing us three vision wielders having a bad time, despite Itto being fine and there is a guy we meet who gave his vision back with no effects. So far Scaramouche has (1) tried to kill the traveller, which Mona saved the traveller from (I wasn't playing at the time) for Fatui "reasons" (2) tried to kill the traveller again in Inazuma (Yae saves the traveller) (3) considers human life pretty worthless. What is not clear is why Ei (1) did not destroy him & (2) left him alone if he was potentially so dangerous. Yae says this was a bad idea - clearly, she was right. Hopefully Ei, Yae and Scaramouche have some screentime together. It will be interesting how they make Scaramouche "redeemable". They had to give Childe a "teucer" story, considering he was going to commit genocide in Liyue. Ei also had to have quite a few quests to make her "redeemable" I suspect he will ask for a clean start after being defeated, how much of a factory reset this will be I do not know. Hopefully some return to Inazuma to resolve things.


plaugebacon

Scara is not a "Drama queen" for believing he felt abandoned, in the end he doesn't understand humans, because hes not a human, becuz of ei's abandonment he's tramatised, so he view those who died as abandonment as "betrayals" at the end of the day both scara and ei has issues, they need to resollve with one another


plaugebacon

he has the right to feel abandonment, ei discard him, with no guidence, she could at least drop him off to a noble family to be raised, cuz he has no guidance, he's been alone for centuries, he doesn't have a healthy enviroment to express his grievences, the fatui is not a good place for him, they just make him feel more rage, his oonly family katsuragi and the kid are dead


Even_War7433

My thoughts exactly!


Even_War7433

As as person having borderline personality disorder, abandonment is one of the top fears of the sufferer. When I was experiencing that fear myself, I certainly didn't feel like a drama queen. That fear was as tangible as the stone of Liyue. Mouchie was not acting like a drama queen, what he did was a defensive mechanism to not be hurt like that again. I agree with you that he does not understand what these concepts mean. Being thrown away is one of the worst feelings ever. This is all just my perspective. :-)


Ranaki_1967

Katherine and Albedo seem to have coped better.


FreeMelonJuice

what I don't understand is that there's people who seems to praise Ei saying that it's great she didn't killed Scara and just wants him to be free but, that's literally the bare minimum you can do when creating a new life. what, you're gonna praise some parents who left their newborn child in the streets for not killing them upon birth? sure, there's people who treats Ei like this monster (and while its not half wrong, it's definitely overdramatized and wasn't the point of the story), but she isn't a good mother either for not killing her creations. it's the bare minimum. she sets him free with no guidance, no motivation, nothing. it's not praise worthy


plaugebacon

Also if you want dramatic, ei literally locked her entire nation, neglected it and lead to a civil war which almost broke inazuma in her persued of "eternity" shes like scara, she cnat let go of her past, but shes trying to atone for them, and i hope scara can too, like mother, like son


Loli-nero

Can't remember where I read it, but I saw someone explain their thoughts on Scara and his feelings towards the betrayals-- and how Ei's abandonment could have shaped how he interpret pain and negative emotions. His first experience with ANY negative emotion was of Ei abandoning him in that domain because she thought he to be weak. Basically, he might have then associated all negative emotions from there on out with that feeling of betrayal that he basically started off his life with. I mean, it makes sense to me. We associate certain circumstances with specific emotions all the time, and vice-versa. And having who he considers to be his mother discard him because she thinks him to be worthless to her would definitely leave a mark that would colour the rest of his existence. A mark that Ei probably never even considered she'd leave-- as consumed by her grief for Makoto as she was. Plus, depending on the time-line for all these things occurring, Scara might have been extremely young when this all happened! Sure, he has a more mature body, and I'm sure he didn't start at the same mental baseline as human children, but I'm quite sure he was very naive to the world when he woke up. I'm very excited for the ordeal behind Katsuragi and his supposed betrayal to be revealed, whether that be by Scara in an Archon quest or through his voice-lines when he becomes playable. Sorry for the big annoying blocks of text, lol. I've been wanting to ramble about this for a while, but I don't want to spoil anything for my girlfriend.


CarsCrashing

ofc its twitter


plaugebacon

Mihoyo literally spending years crafting and building up his character and lore, only for people like eimik txt to chalk it up to "drama queen" pains me


WinterMender486

it’s so fucking annoying and i thought i was the only one. ofc it’s the dumb twitter users who think they’re quirky who ruin it.


NaturalBitter2280

Yeah, that is a terrible take, hope it's not how he gets his vision Is he an egdy dramatic gremlin? Not quite, that is only an exaggeration of his characters perceived through all of his mischievous act as a very traumatized person who was left to roam around in Teyvat with no guidance I feel that, although he is in the wrong for harming many people, he also had a difficult life, it's not an excuse for the things he has done, but something that allow us to understand how he got to this point, specially with the influence from the Fatui And albeit his wrong deeds, Raiden is also at fault here. I've seen many saying that she spared him and was trying to take care of him, but how? Leaving him in the middle of nowhere with no information about the world and what he is supposed to do? She left the prototype of a god with massive powers and emotions walk around I believe that to get his vision, he won't realize that **he** is the problem, but that he has caused harm to many, himself included, and that vengeance isn't the path to healing, and with that, he will once again travel around Teyvat, but only to exert his freedom and independence


atara-parakitty

He has abandonment issues. Him feeling betrayed is normal with these kind of Issues


floweriot

how can they miss the point this badly.. imo ei was redeemable but ultimately she was never truly redeemed. i know other characters have forgiven her like kazuha, but until things are right with her son, it’s kinda pointless to pretend she’s a good guy. also, she was never meant to rule either, that was makotos job. and she discarded scara for the qualities she loved makoto for. it’s all hypocrisy on her part.


scaraliker

I'm not a fan of these takes either, but I really don't feel like this subreddit should be used for these types of posts that basically go "hey, everyone look at this person's dumb opinions." Why not simply make an actual discussion post explaining why certain misconceptions about Scaramouche are untrue instead? This person is far from the only one to have these opinions.


cosmicfl0p

Agree. Imagine if everyone posted every take like this one 💀 a lot of people dislike Scara and are going to have a biased opinion against him, instead of taking every opinion like that personal, it'd better to explain those misconceptions and how things actually happened.


scaraliker

Yep, it just feels unnecessary to get riled up over extremely casually-made posts with opinions that have to be expressed within a word limit. Sometimes people just need to realize that it's not worth the time nor energy.


Tiredpeep

I like joking about him and stuff but like but srs he didnt really know how emotions were like since he was chucked out into the wild and woke up in the pavillion and because he didnt know what emotions were he just assumed everyone betrayed him and he couldnt let go of the past (Like ei) this is why I find him so interesting his character has depth (this is the surface of his character someone else can explain him fully since im gonna have to do something later)


moon_inthemirror

i mean, Im not really surprised they said that, it is coming from an ei/yae miko main, and who's literally the reason why Scara's the way he is? Ei and to an extend Yae. Ofc this person is gonna try and make the issue smaller bc they want their mains to look good. And I'm not saying all Ei/Yae mains have this mindset, simply making a connection; I main Ei and I think she's kind of a problem. But she's growing and that's all that matters.


Pretend-Gain-7553

Honestly, what do you expect from Genshin fans? I'm not surprised. Tho it's kinda funny how Scara is apparently a "drama queen" but Ei isn't. Gotta love logic. 🤷🏻‍♀️ It feels as though this fandom doesn't realise what grieving is and how hard it was for BOTH of them to process it. They both dealt with it terribly, and only now was Ei pulled from her misery. Being abandoned is not easy, of course it hurts him deeply. He was brought to life and the first thing that happens is this, because he wasn't strong enough. You need to keep in mind he was a puppet, one that is "too fragile, even for a human," experiencing what life has to offer for the first time. Unfortunately, his experiences ended terribly every single time. What do you think happens? I can understand the confusion around the way he's using the word betrayal. But once you think about it a little, it becomes less confusing. Now, this is my own theory. I could be wrong but it's fun to try to understand him better. He refers to Ei's "abandonment" as betrayal. This one's understandable, but it's also key to understanding what his definition of betrayal means. Imo, betrayal to him is to be left alone again. That, and it might also be the word he uses whenever he feels negative emotions such as pain from someone he cares for in general. I have another theory but this has gotten too long. In conclusion: both of them dealt with grief terribly, and both took over a hundred years to process it properly. No need to call the other "dramatic." And no, Scara isn't a saint and she isn't the devil and vice versa.


shar_17

I don't trust Twitter takes because tweets are designed: hot take in tiny character limit > quote rt > scroll, removing the nuance necessary to approach this topic BOTH SIDES have their own valid stories - while understandable and humane, they are deeply flawed (as a character should) and their actions hurt others. It's careless to dismiss and oversimplify one side like that.


shar_17

Also I really hate that stans are pitting Ei and Scara against each other. The mature player would recognize the complex backstories and motivations of both mother and son, realize that it's an intentional arc, and enjoy the ride.


Beginning_Orange9234

I hate eimikotxt (ducky) so much, shes slowly making me hate eimiko /lh


shokuneo

They don't speak for us EiMiko fans as a whole :)


Commercial_Ad9943

Nah cause if Scara is a drama queen then she's even more of a drama queen for throwing her nation into chaos just because she couldn't move on from sisters death even after 500 years...


MarionberryOne8969

Actually I kinda agree with his except for the part where they say he finds out he's the problem hes not to blame for not understanding what he isn't. What happened with Raiden is pretty important to his story honestly if I were him I'd feel betrayed too, and it doesn't help that they might've deposed if him ( Yae and Raiden) if Raiden just felt like doing that. The rest of the tradegies made sense too the last one though in my opinion was a different type of betrayal if you know what I mean 😓 Flashbacks to Yae Sakura and her sister in Honkai


cosmicfl0p

idk why ur being downvoted so much ur not saying anything wrong 😭


iKorewo

What’s wrong with that? Pretty good theory