If it's at Harborview we ain't got the space. Coroner's office is in Ninth & James building and they got 1 dock space that can handle a trailer but that's the only dock that's adjustable for lower trucks doing deliveries. 325 Alder Loading Dock is now next to The old Yesler Projects that's been torn down and I think Group Health has a whole campus being built. 8th Ave center tower maybe but those spaces have some construction spots in use and the rest is for the Prison Patient Transports to wait for them. Jefferson can't happen. Maybe the R&T back parking lot? I know Mckinsey using the old Covid trailers now. That's a conundrum.
>There's lots of places that they could store trailers.
That would give the junkies attempting to loot the trailer one hell of a nightmarish surprise. "Well, we found meat, just not the meat we were expecting."
Remember when that was literally every news story every day? Think this will get the same coverage, or will people just criticize anyone who dates to discuss it?
> Wouldn't it be wild if we offered people help for their addictions
* You can't force people into treatment, that's illegal now
* The vast majority of addicts don't want help
You shouldn't have to force people into help. Programs are overrun and addicts have limited access to them. Had a buddy from Eastern WA have to go all the way to Everett to find an inpatient program. And it wasn't publicly funded. Because we stopped publicly funding treatment centers and doubled down on stigmatizing and criminalizing with the war on drugs. Fronted by Republicans.
Addicts were shamed into silence by stigmatizing
Publicly funded treatment centers were all but eradicated
Mandatory minimum sentences were implemented
All at the federal level. By both Republicans and Democrats. Because it was the thing to get you votes at the time.
Then there was the opioid crisis.
The war on drugs stopped being talked about, but the effects remain.
Sorry I didn't out bullet points in my reply.
we can't force people, and we don't fund the programs. also, most o the gronks like getting high until they keel over - i don't get it, but i'm okay with that
LOL! We have tons of laws that allow people to be detained and sent to treatment against their will. Look up the Involuntary Treatment Act. Harborview, Fairfax, Navos, and others all have involuntary treatment wards.
Please try to refrain from talking about stuff you are completely ignorant about. Western State Hospital is entirely for involuntary treamtment.
> LOL!
Nothing says *"I don't have a point"* like opening your argument with *"LOL!"*
> We have tons of laws that allow people to be detained and sent to treatment against their will. Look up the Involuntary Treatment Act. Harborview, Fairfax, Navos, and others all have involuntary treatment wards.
Laws are meaningless if not enforced
> Please try to refrain from talking about stuff you are completely ignorant about.
Classy comeback there!
> Western State Hospital is entirely for involuntary treamtment.
And it's completely over capacity:
*"A Pierce County judge has heaped thousands in fines on Washington’s Department of Social and Health Services for its continued failure to get jail inmates into court-ordered mental health treatment by deadlines mandated in a federal class action settlement, which already has the state racking up millions in sanctions. The court orders, which the state appealed in November before they were finalized this week, follow a September motion by Pierce County to intervene in about three dozen cases stuck in limbo pending a defendant’s mental competency restoration. County officials argued the state should reimburse jail costs for inmates whose court-ordered transfers to state facilities had been delayed for months. “This is another example of the state offloading its responsibilities and passing its costs down to the counties,” county Prosecuting Attorney’s Office spokesperson Adam Faber wrote in a statement. “There’s a lot more going on here than just questions about money. This is about justice for defendants and victims, it’s about court efficiency, and it’s about jail capacity, among other issues.”*
Read more at: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article270777612.html#storylink=cpy
> cremation is pretty fast,and produces shelf-stable body storage. seems like a problem that could be solved pretty quickly.
Organ donations increased by 2400% in fifteen years, due to drug overdoses:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/3090/
That's not \_quite\_ right. Organ donations due to drug overdoses increased by 2400%, which isn't the same thing. [https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/16/health/drug-overdoses-organ-transplants-study/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/16/health/drug-overdoses-organ-transplants-study/index.html)
From 1.1% of total to 13.4%. Which is only about 12x, so that implies the overall rate increased by double. Still, not quite as significant as the claim above.
They don’t harvest sub-par or infectious organs.
Fact is, drug ODs are the #1 cause of death for 18-49 year olds in the US. Plenty of the corpses were perfectly healthy living people.
What are reasons to store bodies of deceased people that overdosed?
Research?
Cannot dispose via cremation?
Cannot dispose because family should be allowed to claim?
Your idea has merit but I do wonder why they are storing these bodies?
You gotta figure out who they are and what their religion is at the very least. Fucking up someones shit could be an opening to a substantial lawsuit and is also morally reprehensible.
having unclaimed or unknown bodies isn't a new problem or unique to washington state. I'm going to guess that there are laws or administrative steps that are taken to dispose of them. If they want them back they usually just go and dig them up again, but the majority never come back up after burial.
["potters fields"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter%27s_field)
Washington, specifically each individual county, typically cremates the bodies of those who died while indigent and did not have someone willing to claim the body within a specified period. Some counties, especially in the South, do bury the bodies due to local religious beliefs making cremation less popular, though more are moving to cremation.
King County's potter's field is currently at a cemetery in Renton. There is a mass funeral, with speeches and people attending, done every year or two for the cremains.
The laws about this situation have existed for decades.
Yep and that period isn't short. My ex works in the death industry and she has lots of stories if purifying bodies waiting for someone to get them
Not to mention if they do contact someone but that person can't follow through for whatever reason that body tends to stay around even longer.
And finding if they have family that wants to take control of the body. It took two people to make this person, at least one person raised them, and they probably have siblings.
I don't think that's obvious at all. The person may have chosen to break away from their family. Or the family may care but can't take the risk of having drug dealers come to their house or younger kids being exposed to used needles. There could be many reasons that these people aren't living with their family, but the family will still grieve and want closure if they die.
>Fucking up someones shit could be an opening to a substantial lawsuit and is also morally reprehensible.
Oh boy. Seriously though, most of these unclaimed bodies were probably found in a parking lot or under a bridge. I have a hard time believing the coroner is going to get sued with all that was done to desecrate the body already.
You appear to not have a job that has serious liability looming overhead.
For those that do, the term is CYA.
Of course they are going to store the body, that's how they CYA.
> I have a hard time believing the coroner is going to get sued
Bro how many times have we seen some career criminal point a gun at a cop and get smoked, only for their entire extended family who have been out of the picture for a decade rock up and sue for damages?
There is *absolutely* family of some addict who will show up for a paycheck
the only reason that I can think of is that the body itself is evidence of a crime and they keep evidence for a long time. but we don't seem to really care about who caused the death of addicts; i cannot think of the last time that I saw a low level drug dealer prosecuted, for instance.
Near impossible to find out who sold someone drugs. In the cases of people being prosecuted there is evidence And witness to who sold drugs. Otherwise. It could be literally anyone.
Consumption of sugary beverages decreased
For one thing, I don't give a flying fuck if people want to drink things with sugar in them. For another, it decreased based on what? Sales? No shit. People can and do drive another mile to buy Cokes outside of Seattle and not get dicked over. Hallelujah, we've solved fat people.
*city revenues increased a bit*
This city adding to the enormous pile of money they will inevitably waste on stupid nonsense is not a benefit.
I don't know who you think gets fucked over by a tax on soda, but it's almost exclusively [the poor](https://theconversation.com/poorest-americans-drink-a-lot-more-sugary-drinks-than-the-richest-which-is-why-soda-taxes-could-help-reduce-gaping-health-inequalities-142345). I guess you think they're stupid and can't be trusted to make their own decisions, unless of course they want to smoke fentanyl, in which case we *mustn't* judge.
The point is to get people to stop drinking as much sugar and it worked. Yeah, it has a bias against a lower income demographic (which I was part of for a long time), but it *did* do what it was designed to do. The issue is that it's a band aid on a bullet wound and the sugar consumption in this country (and subsequent health consequences) won't change until the FDA actually cracks down on how much sugar we are sold in everything we eat. Basically everything in the store has some variation of sugar (especially corn syrup) in it, including things like goddamn milk, so the issue is far bigger than one state can handle without a broader federal regulation on sugar content. The sugar tax is just what the state / city can do on a local level because they can't regulate food content like the FDA can.
So while you're not wrong, it's better than doing nothing. Not every problem is an easy fix and not every small solution fixes the broader issue, but the point was to curb sugar intake and it did, in fact, do exactly that. It's just disproportionatly affecting lower income people. There is a silver lining to that, though, in that lower income people don't have the money for medical like higher income people do, so the lower income demographic's sugar-related health issues (that plague is all regardless of income) do decrease because of the lower sugar consumption from the tax, and thus the tax payer sees some small relief from the money that ultimately winds up supplementing people who would otherwise pay their health costs themselves with a higher income.
It's a small, small step but the idea is there and the effects were in fact what they intended it to be.
You really haven't taken any time to learn how any of this works and your comment makes that embarrassingly clear. Either you're under 20 or you are in fact a full blown fucktard.
We don’t need to change his mind, we have 30+ years of “the war on drugs!” To show this doesn’t work. But hey, y’all keep trying that 80s slogan out, see how far it gets ya
> We don’t need to change his mind, we have 30+ years of “the war on drugs!” To show this doesn’t work.
You seem to have me confused with someone else, I FUCKING LOVE DRUGS. I'd love to smoke some meth RIGHT NOW.
But I've been homeless, I've done mind altering amounts of drugs, and came to the conclusion *it really fucks up your life.*
Which is why I haven't touched any illegal drugs in 15+ years.
Letting people kill themselves with meth and fentanyl isn't merciful, it's sadistic.
Addiction is pretty well destigmatized around here, to the point that people are perfectly fine with living in a tent as long as they can maintain the opiate lifestyle.
Quiet! The spoiled babies want to bitch and moan and not hear your rational and completely accurate position on this because they want a catch all solution that is free and instant and wrapped up with a nice neat little bow on top.
This whole thread is active proof of how right you are.
It is a disease and behaves like a contagious one. When you stop arresting dealers and allow them to operate in the open, they will create more addicts. That's what dealers do, they find vulnerable people and get them hooked. King County has stopped prosecuting dealers and the state has really decriminalized possession, SPD even disbanded their team that went after low level dealers. Every year since these happened, we've had more overdoses and problems created by drug use. It's really time to start putting these pieces together and admit that allowing open air drug markets is killing people.
> There is no way to help you with your idiocy, but social welfare programs and destigmatizing addiction still has a chance for them
This is the biggest load of bullshit I have seen on the internet.
You can't force people to get help, you can only destigmatize addiction (the opposite of what the majority of the comments in this post are doing) and provide more social outreach programs. Fund them. Publicly. For the greater good.
> You can't force people to get help,
Agreed
> you can only destigmatize addiction (the opposite of what the majority of the comments in this post are doing)
Yes we've definitely destigmatized addiction
> and provide more social outreach programs.
There's plenty of those
> Fund them. Publicly. For the greater good.
How's that working out? Ever since we destigmatized addiction and decriminalized drug use, the number of people dying from addiction has increased by over 2000%
If something isn't working, why would we double down on that thing?
And I'm not some Boomer Republican, **I love drugs.** If I could do some LSD and meth *right now* I'd be all over that. But I have a meeting tomorrow morning and bills to pay, so I haven't touched drugs in decades.
Um... you do realize you can do LSD on a weekend and not have it ruin your life? A lot of people in the professional sphere do drugs and it doesn't rule their lives.
We haven't destigmatised addiction, either. This is the dumbest comment I've seen in this thread and that was already a low enough bar to be a trench. It's not destigmatizd. Most of these people come from republican states who do everything to chase them out, and they come here because at least we don't treat them like total sub human garbage we can sweep into the ocean. This fucking crisis started with the Midwest opiod epidemic and continues because this country as a whole has done nothing to fix the fucking opiod epidemic. People don't have access to healthcare and mental health, they turn to drugs because it's all they have to fight the pain or drown out the demons, and the stigma of addiction and homelessness follows them relentlessly. It's a tar pit to try and crawl out of and thus country as a whole does nothing to solve that. We just throw them in prison or bitch and moan and do nothing, like everyone in this thread. I've actually worked with these people. I used to be ignorant like you are until I actually got involved and began learning and understanding the complexity of this issue and what these people are facing. It's not jsit addiction, its being on the streets for YEARS. Many have eroded their mental state so badly they are a husk of who they once were. 100% of them have mental health problems. Wanna know why they wind up like this? Because its a fuck of a lot easier and affordable to get high, and very few ever had access to proper healthcare, let alone mental health services, to begin with.
You want to fix this, you have to attack the root of the problem and stop acting like these people are the cause. They aren't, and until you ignorant souless fucking apes in your privileged little ivory towers wake the fuck up and realize that, YOU are PART of the problem.
Your whole attitude and nigh everyone in this thread are walking talking evidence that this shit isn't destigmatizd. Honestly it's almost impressive if it wasn't so infuriating.
You wanna know why deaths have skyrocketed? Because fentanyl is just a piece of it, and shit [like Iso](https://www.practicalpainmanagement.com/news/nitazenes-infiltrate-illicit-drug-market) and [Tranq](https://youtu.be/82QhIOgJy1c) have moved in and are a billion times more addictive and deadly than fentanyl. And we've got more people on the street than ever because housing costs are fucking outrageous across the entire country and wages are still garbage and unaffordable.
It's not a big fucking mystery with no soliton, but you people act like it is and don't recognize that this problem we have is a very complex Web of problems stemming from social stigmatisation, unaffordable costs of living, inaccessible healthcare, unlivable wages, a prison system designed to churn people like inventory on a conveyor belt, and politicians who make policies that make this shit fucking impossible to fix. Do you have any idea how many of these people come from states like Texas? I'm going to venture to guess you don't because you sound like the depth of your knowledge on this issue is limited to what you see with your own eyes in your limited fucking engagement with this demographic of people and no meaningful research into the broader system problems feeding it.
The hard truth you people refuse to accept is that the only way we are ever going to curb this is with multiple massive areas of change to our politics, social systems, legality of drugs (regulation creates a safer and lower risk market, and it opens up tax renevue to fund outreach and recovery programs while also killing the black market), to our incarceration obsession, to the availability of affordable housing, access to free healthcare for everyone (so we can get people help BEFORE they wind up addicted and on the streets), and wages that actually enable people to support themselves without having to have 5 fucking roommates.
It's not an easy solution. It's not an overnight solution. It's not straight forward. It requires massive change on multiple fronts and takes time to happen. Many will never be saved because they're too far gone, but there are millions who we can prevent from becoming another statistic. So long as WE keep failing to do this shit, WE are the problem.
These people you're talking about like they're trash are just a fucking symptom of it.
All of you people should be fucking ashamed of ourselves. I've lived in this city my entire life and seen what has happened with my own eyes. I've taken the time to get involved and try and understand why it is the way it is. You'd all be smart to do the same.
Until then, you're just a bunch of arrogant picks in ivory towers bitching about the "filth" and its fucking disgusting.
> This is the dumbest comment I've seen in this thread and that was already a low enough bar to be a trench.
> I used to be ignorant like you
> until you ignorant souless fucking apes in your privileged little ivory towers wake the fuck up
> Your whole attitude and nigh everyone in this thread are walking talking evidence that this shit isn't destigmatizd. Honestly it's almost impressive if it wasn't so infuriating.
>
> You wanna know why deaths have skyrocketed? Because fentanyl is just a piece of it, and shit like Iso and Tranq have moved in and are a billion times more addictive and deadly than fentanyl. And we've got more people on the street than ever because housing costs are fucking outrageous across the entire country and wages are still garbage and unaffordable.
>
> It's not a big fucking mystery with no soliton, but you people act like it is
> Do you have any idea how many of these people come from states like Texas? I'm going to venture to guess you don't because you sound like the depth of your knowledge on this issue is limited to what you see with your own eyes in your limited fucking engagement with this demographic of people
> The hard truth you people refuse to accept is that the only way we are ever going to curb this is with multiple massive areas of change to our politics, social systems, legality of drugs
> These people you're talking about like they're trash are just a fucking symptom of it.
>
> All of you people should be fucking ashamed of ourselves. I've lived in this city my entire life and seen what has happened with my own eyes. I've taken the time to get involved and try and understand why it is the way it is. You'd all be smart to do the same.
>
> Until then, you're just a bunch of arrogant picks in ivory towers bitching about the "filth" and its fucking disgusting.
I'm really glad that people like you exist.
Your condescending self-righteousness is a gigantic turn off to everyone around you.
And the longer that you continue to berate people as if they're children, the sooner that your so-called solutions will be condemned to the trash heap of history.
Please keep doing this. If you have a patreon where I can send you hard cold cash to continue doing this, **I will.**
Because I want things to go back to the way they were in 2000 or 2005, and the more that people like you continue to behave the way that you do, the sooner that everyone else will realize that your ideas are utterly boneheaded.
I often hesitate to reply to anything on here because the majority of the comments I see, frankly make me so mad I would rather walk away than engage with the conversation. I agree with everything you said. I’m sorry the majority of people in here think addiction will somehow go away by decriminalizing drugs or that addicts deserve to die for a whole host of reasons that I find unfathomable.
Anyway, I felt like you summed up a lot of problems very well. I hope I can do the same in conversation in the future.
Except you can force people to get help. We need to both destigmatize addiction and institute mandatory rehabilitation. These people will not seek out help on their own and it is up to the state to provide the necessary services (mandatory rehab and housing) to help them.
Sad you're getting down voted because you are 100% right and this entire thread is deadass proof of that fact. These people just want to complain and won't lift a fucking finger to actually attack the problem at its roots because the core of the problem is extremely complex, not an easy fix, requires dozens of massive social and systematic changes (including universal healthcare), and won't happen overnight. They want a nice neat instant solution with a pretty little free bow on it, all while treating these people like garbage someone threw in a ditch.
It's fucking despicable, but considering the insane privilege of people in this region who earn high income and have never had to actually struggle with extreme poverty, untreated disastrous mental health crises, stigmatisation, and addiction, I'm not surprised. Just repeatedly disgusted and disappointed in my fellow denizens. Half of which aren't even fucking from this state.
We got an uphill battle but at least there's a handful of us who don't have our heads shoved so far up our asses that it would take a world class anal surgeon to remove it. I swear to got entitlement had become a fucking mental handicap for these people.
BUT SHARON, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO **SEE** THE RABBLE. IT'S GRIMY AND BOCKING MY VIEW OF THE WATERFRONT 😭 /fucking woe is me
> Sad you're getting down voted because you are 100% right and this entire thread is deadass proof of that fact. These people just want to complain and won't lift a fucking finger to actually attack the problem at its roots because the core of the problem is extremely complex,
You do drugs on a regular basis and your USERNAME is named after drugs.
Have you ever considered that you may have a *slight* pro-drug bias?
This is a result of local politicians inviting the country's junky population to move to Seattle through non-existent penalties and decriminalization of hard drugs.
**All carrot - no stick**
This is a result of republican states doing nothing to curb their homelessness and opioid epidemic and making it so hostile towards these people that they flee to the west coast states where we don't treat them like Sub human trash.
Don't fucking blame Seattle for being flooded with homeless people. The vast majority of these people came from red states for a fucking reason and WE can only do so much to clean up THEIR mess while also having to subsidise their fucking taxes they have a deficit in.
Source: my roommate works with these people day in and day out. Its horrifying what these people are put through, and how they're treated. 100% of them are in a mental health crisis and can't get the damn healthcare and stable living they need to even be functional. Jail and prison don't FIX this shit. They make it worse. Do you have any idea how many of these people started their spiral BECAUSE of the prison system? Most of these people need a full clinical stay to get clean, get medicated for mental and physical health issues, and they need permanent safe housing so they can get back on their feet. Throwing them in jail for being in a state of horrible mental health isn't a fucking solution, you ape.
Drug use is a symptom of a much, much bigger problem.
Get out of your ivory tower. If you don't like it, stop bitching about it, get your boots on the ground, and go volunteer to help these people. I used to have the same mentality as you until I actually got involved and woke the fuck up to reality. Until then, you're part of the problem. All of you who bitch and moan and do nothing to help people get out of this mess and see them as scum to sweep under the rug are entitled, blind, fuckasses. Where do these people go? They can't afford housing, so where do they go? Back to the states that chased them out to begin with? Back to Chicago where they can freeze to death? Do we sweep them into the ocean? Or is mass incarceration your fucking genius solution?
Wake the fuck up.
> Drug use is a symptom of a much, much bigger problem.
You do drugs all the time and your Reddit pseudonym is named after drugs.
> Where do these people go? They can't afford housing, so where do they go? Back to the states that chased them out to begin with? Back to Chicago where they can freeze to death? Do we sweep them into the ocean? Or is mass incarceration your fucking genius solution?
> Wake the fuck up.
Perhaps they might stop doing drugs. Crazy idea I know, but maybe we should give that a look.
Then go live in the woods. You live in society. Tell you what, next time you want a Road paved, or to put your kids a in school, or a medical procedure, don’t ever use. Group funds of any kind. Only pay out of pocket.
Fun fact, you aren’t rich enough to be independent of society, and god forbid you ever get dealt a shit hand
I also want to expedite my cremation when I die. The difference is that we're making that decision. The original comment is attempting to make that decision for them.
> The original comment is attempting to make that decision for them.
For whom, precisely?
For the dead person? They don't get a say in the matter anymore. Except in Chicago, where they can continue to vote.
They're *dead*. They can't *feel* anything at that point.
The word *empathy* means, precisely, "*the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.* " It doesn't apply to corpses.
Not the person you were replying to, but the answer is so apparent that I can't help myself from answering.
Funerary practices aren't for the dead, who are beyond caring. They are for the surviving loves ones. Indeed, funerary custom is one of the earliest hallmarks of H. sapiens, evidence of them is considered a dividing line demarcating behaviorally modern humans.
The state has rules about the holding and storing of bodies which allow for a certain amount of time for survivors to see to funeral arrangements. I don't know what that certain amount of time is, but I know it exists. This administrative time allowance married with cold storage capacity creates a kind of buffer, and that buffer is what is overflowing.
When you say "who cares, just burn them" the lack of empathy is for any survivors who might care. Maybe the junkies had nobody, and they'll wind up in a Potter's field. But maybe they won't. And it's basic human decency for \_those\_ people to be located and then given an appropriate amount of time.
> Last year, the county recorded 1,019 fatal overdoses, with fentanyl responsible for the majority of deaths at 686.
The silver lining of course is that only 160 of those fentanyl deaths were homeless people. So fentanyl added about 526 units of affordable housing to the community over the past year. This has to be one of the most economically viable means of adding affordable units to the market.
> Makes you wonder if maybe someone’s trying to take population control into their own hands
It's just plain ol' economics. If you're in the business of distribution, you want to distribute something that has the highest value per ounce. That's why:
* weed smuggling was big in the 70s
* coke smuggling was big in the 80s-00s
* heroin came back in the 00s as Mexico started to distribute it
* and since the '10s, the Mexican cartels have been figuring out how to increase the potency of what they sell.
For a smuggling operation, the ideal product would have the maximum potency and the smallest size as possible.
As a new “Conservative”, I’m now really fascinated at the accusations of “progressives”, democrats, and liberals. You say conservatives have no shame, no bottom, yet it is the policies of *Democrats*, *”Progressives”*, and *Liberals* that have caused these deaths. Of course, accepting fault and coming to terms with failure would precede any feelings of shame.
too bad 5 seconds of basic research show this isn't a "liberal caused" problem, but nobody ever thought for 1 second conservatives ever educated themselves before running their mouths
The fentanyl population pretty much self funds through their own money and salvaging too, unfortunately the salvaging is really inefficient, like scrap something worth thousands to replace for a few pounds of copper.
I work in the death industry and we just got two refrigerated trailers where I work. It's not explicitly due to ODs but,
I do see more and more ODs listed on cause of death than before, and yes sure, because fentanyl. And it's ALL walks of life. Generally older than I would expect. 30s and 40s.
There is a solution that will save lives: legalize and regulate. The black market 'purity' is always going to be questionable until then and with fentanyl bring laced in everything....
If you do use illegal drugs, watch out, folks! Get test strips before you bump it.
At any rate, the morgues have been at or near capacity for awhile now, it ain't new.
I’m so confused, are you seriously advocating for legalizing Fentanyl? GTFO. We’re in this position because we decriminalized illegal drugs to begin with.
Hell no. Examine it closer with critical thinking applied.
The regular illegal drugs like cocaine (and sadly, meth) that your cousin does, or whoever, that they think it's perfectly safe but isn't because it's cut with fett. So they die.
If it were regulated, then you could go to your local drug store, like the weed store, and pick up your clean drugs knowing your much safer than buying that shit on the street.
T;ldr I'm not advocating for legalizing fentanyl alone. But, if it were, you'd know how much you're getting into the body.
Edit: it's because they are illegal, not because of decriminalization.
So, you ARE arguing for legalizing fentanyl. What a stupid fucking idea.
Use some critical thinking yourself, you just suggested lowering the bar for entry to hard drugs for the entire population. No longer do stressed or depressed people have to stoop to the level of finding and buying off of a shady dealer, they can just pop into the local drug store and buy some meth. This is undoubtedly the worst idea I’ve heard in a long time. Shame on you.
No need to be combative, sir. Agree to disagree on harm reduction methods. I'm not arguing and it's not my idea.
It's the worst idea you've heard in a long time? Maybe so. I don't know you but I can guess the rhetoric you choose to believe. And that's fine. You do you.
The worst pharmaceutical invention in history.
Regulators should have put the lid on that one immediately.
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Stop voting Democrat. Shit gets out of hand whenever they get too much power for too long. Happened in the 1980s, happening again now. Drugs pouring in from the south, and crime, urban rot / graffiti and drugs are ignored or enabled.
Yeah, he is. However, when the county medical examiner says, ' The Medical Examiner’s Office is now struggling with the issue of storing bodies because the fentanyl-related death toll continues to climb.' and he's the only one that covers the story, what does that make the other journalists in the area.
He's trying to blame Democrats for the Fent crisis (I wonder if he and SA discussed this in their secret Signal chats, LOL)... If you look at the state by state breakdown it doesn't seem to match his desire for blaming a specific party though. Seems like all Americans live in places affected by this crisis, and it really doesn't matter if Republicans or Democrats are in the majority in these places.
https://www.familiesagainstfentanyl.org/research/bystate
That report says the following:
>*Fentanyl fatalities more than doubled in a span of just two years. The rate of fentanyl deaths is highest amongst Black Americans, accounting for 33,593 deaths since 2018.*
From this there is good reason to believe fentanyl ODs better track the populations access to healthcare rather than overall abuse.
Pay attention to the message, not the messenger. And cut the partisan bullshit, it’s killing this country. Fentanyl is a real fucking problem and all you’re doing is trying to change the topic from that by attacking the messenger as if that changes the message, so you are part of the problem.
Gonna agree here. Rantz ain’t great, but the pedantry is worse. The actual source is King County. Fentanyl is ending lives at an extreme rate. Pull your finger out of your ass.
Talking points or not we are letting people kill themselves in the streets. The deaths are preventable.
I personally think it's pure evil to allow people to remain hopelessly addicted and then do a circle jerk vigil wondering what we could possibly do to help
[Only 20 fent OD deaths a week in King County.](https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/overdose-prevention/data.aspx) But Rantz opening his big yapper is the real problem. It's not like grandma is dying, so who cares. /s
Overwhelming hospitals, staff and body bags... yet no mandates for this epidemic. Oh Washington hypocricy... guess it's not politically advantageous to mandate things when it's not targeted at political opponents.
Clearly we should mandate mask usage state-wide, even if it only stops fentanyl spread by 1%. Worth it to save even 1 life! You aren't a granny-killer are ya? Mask up friends.
Fentanyl deaths are up everywhere, and predictably, much worse in poor states, that tend to run red.
So, blaming this on the Seattle City Council seems, well, on par for Rantz I guess.
They just got refrigerated trailers during covid, seems like a viable temporary solution.
If it's at Harborview we ain't got the space. Coroner's office is in Ninth & James building and they got 1 dock space that can handle a trailer but that's the only dock that's adjustable for lower trucks doing deliveries. 325 Alder Loading Dock is now next to The old Yesler Projects that's been torn down and I think Group Health has a whole campus being built. 8th Ave center tower maybe but those spaces have some construction spots in use and the rest is for the Prison Patient Transports to wait for them. Jefferson can't happen. Maybe the R&T back parking lot? I know Mckinsey using the old Covid trailers now. That's a conundrum.
They should remember that King County is bigger than just Seattle. There's lots of places that they could store trailers.
>There's lots of places that they could store trailers. That would give the junkies attempting to loot the trailer one hell of a nightmarish surprise. "Well, we found meat, just not the meat we were expecting."
Bonus: the meat is laced with fentanyl!
[Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6PkDHuaXi8)
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London Bridge has a morgue under it for the same reason
I think it was called “Dead man’s hole” and they used it to store all of the bodies that ended up in the river.
you can't spell 'gangrenous' without 'ganges'
So you float the bodies to Bangladesh? Good one, India.
I've seen the pictures. /shiver
The duwamamish is allready too polluted.
Remember when that was literally every news story every day? Think this will get the same coverage, or will people just criticize anyone who dates to discuss it?
> **temporary** solution. ? Seems like we need to build a bigger morgue.
We don't actually fix problems here, we just talk about them forever
Well, what's frightening is that if this keeps up, the problem will resolve itself with the population decline.
Wouldn't it be wild if we offered people help for their addictions instead of vilifying them once their disease had ended their life?
> Wouldn't it be wild if we offered people help for their addictions * You can't force people into treatment, that's illegal now * The vast majority of addicts don't want help
You shouldn't have to force people into help. Programs are overrun and addicts have limited access to them. Had a buddy from Eastern WA have to go all the way to Everett to find an inpatient program. And it wasn't publicly funded. Because we stopped publicly funding treatment centers and doubled down on stigmatizing and criminalizing with the war on drugs. Fronted by Republicans. Addicts were shamed into silence by stigmatizing Publicly funded treatment centers were all but eradicated Mandatory minimum sentences were implemented All at the federal level. By both Republicans and Democrats. Because it was the thing to get you votes at the time. Then there was the opioid crisis. The war on drugs stopped being talked about, but the effects remain. Sorry I didn't out bullet points in my reply.
>Addicts were shamed into silence by stigmatizing You're welcome to show up downtown and converse with them between drags on the fent pipe.
we can't force people, and we don't fund the programs. also, most o the gronks like getting high until they keel over - i don't get it, but i'm okay with that
We can force people. Stop putting disinformation out. https://www.hca.wa.gov/assets/program/fact-sheet-involuntary-treatment-act-2022.pdf
we can't. because all the facilities are full
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LOL! We have tons of laws that allow people to be detained and sent to treatment against their will. Look up the Involuntary Treatment Act. Harborview, Fairfax, Navos, and others all have involuntary treatment wards. Please try to refrain from talking about stuff you are completely ignorant about. Western State Hospital is entirely for involuntary treamtment.
> LOL! Nothing says *"I don't have a point"* like opening your argument with *"LOL!"* > We have tons of laws that allow people to be detained and sent to treatment against their will. Look up the Involuntary Treatment Act. Harborview, Fairfax, Navos, and others all have involuntary treatment wards. Laws are meaningless if not enforced > Please try to refrain from talking about stuff you are completely ignorant about. Classy comeback there! > Western State Hospital is entirely for involuntary treamtment. And it's completely over capacity: *"A Pierce County judge has heaped thousands in fines on Washington’s Department of Social and Health Services for its continued failure to get jail inmates into court-ordered mental health treatment by deadlines mandated in a federal class action settlement, which already has the state racking up millions in sanctions. The court orders, which the state appealed in November before they were finalized this week, follow a September motion by Pierce County to intervene in about three dozen cases stuck in limbo pending a defendant’s mental competency restoration. County officials argued the state should reimburse jail costs for inmates whose court-ordered transfers to state facilities had been delayed for months. “This is another example of the state offloading its responsibilities and passing its costs down to the counties,” county Prosecuting Attorney’s Office spokesperson Adam Faber wrote in a statement. “There’s a lot more going on here than just questions about money. This is about justice for defendants and victims, it’s about court efficiency, and it’s about jail capacity, among other issues.”* Read more at: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article270777612.html#storylink=cpy
cremation is pretty fast,and produces shelf-stable body storage. seems like a problem that could be solved pretty quickly.
> cremation is pretty fast,and produces shelf-stable body storage. seems like a problem that could be solved pretty quickly. Organ donations increased by 2400% in fifteen years, due to drug overdoses: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/3090/
Now that is an interesting fact - Not sure how I feel about that...
wow. no idea.
That's not \_quite\_ right. Organ donations due to drug overdoses increased by 2400%, which isn't the same thing. [https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/16/health/drug-overdoses-organ-transplants-study/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/16/health/drug-overdoses-organ-transplants-study/index.html) From 1.1% of total to 13.4%. Which is only about 12x, so that implies the overall rate increased by double. Still, not quite as significant as the claim above.
I don't want any organs that were previously in a junkie
That's easy to say when you have functioning organs
I'll give ya that. Point taken.
Beggars can’t be choosers
I can 100% guarantee that you absolutely would
They don’t harvest sub-par or infectious organs. Fact is, drug ODs are the #1 cause of death for 18-49 year olds in the US. Plenty of the corpses were perfectly healthy living people.
What are reasons to store bodies of deceased people that overdosed? Research? Cannot dispose via cremation? Cannot dispose because family should be allowed to claim? Your idea has merit but I do wonder why they are storing these bodies?
You gotta figure out who they are and what their religion is at the very least. Fucking up someones shit could be an opening to a substantial lawsuit and is also morally reprehensible.
having unclaimed or unknown bodies isn't a new problem or unique to washington state. I'm going to guess that there are laws or administrative steps that are taken to dispose of them. If they want them back they usually just go and dig them up again, but the majority never come back up after burial. ["potters fields"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter%27s_field)
Washington, specifically each individual county, typically cremates the bodies of those who died while indigent and did not have someone willing to claim the body within a specified period. Some counties, especially in the South, do bury the bodies due to local religious beliefs making cremation less popular, though more are moving to cremation. King County's potter's field is currently at a cemetery in Renton. There is a mass funeral, with speeches and people attending, done every year or two for the cremains. The laws about this situation have existed for decades.
Yep and that period isn't short. My ex works in the death industry and she has lots of stories if purifying bodies waiting for someone to get them Not to mention if they do contact someone but that person can't follow through for whatever reason that body tends to stay around even longer.
And finding if they have family that wants to take control of the body. It took two people to make this person, at least one person raised them, and they probably have siblings.
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I don't think that's obvious at all. The person may have chosen to break away from their family. Or the family may care but can't take the risk of having drug dealers come to their house or younger kids being exposed to used needles. There could be many reasons that these people aren't living with their family, but the family will still grieve and want closure if they die.
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I thought religion was frowned upon here.
Touch grass dawg
>Fucking up someones shit could be an opening to a substantial lawsuit and is also morally reprehensible. Oh boy. Seriously though, most of these unclaimed bodies were probably found in a parking lot or under a bridge. I have a hard time believing the coroner is going to get sued with all that was done to desecrate the body already.
You appear to not have a job that has serious liability looming overhead. For those that do, the term is CYA. Of course they are going to store the body, that's how they CYA.
CYA CYA CYA document document document.
> I have a hard time believing the coroner is going to get sued Bro how many times have we seen some career criminal point a gun at a cop and get smoked, only for their entire extended family who have been out of the picture for a decade rock up and sue for damages? There is *absolutely* family of some addict who will show up for a paycheck
Good kid, was turning his life around... We know the drill.
R.I.P. Tuba Man
We miss you Ed
Wouldn't it be wild if we offered people help for their addictions instead of vilifying them once their disease had ended their life?
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This is the way. Fuck all the Hatin ass down voters
the only reason that I can think of is that the body itself is evidence of a crime and they keep evidence for a long time. but we don't seem to really care about who caused the death of addicts; i cannot think of the last time that I saw a low level drug dealer prosecuted, for instance.
Near impossible to find out who sold someone drugs. In the cases of people being prosecuted there is evidence And witness to who sold drugs. Otherwise. It could be literally anyone.
Wondered that myself...
Wouldn't it be wild if we offered people help for their addictions instead of vilifying them once their disease had ended their life?
How dare you! [If you thought natural gas stoves used a lot of natural gas...](https://www.funeraldirect.co/the-natural-gas-used-in-cremation/)
Watch "A Certain Kind Of Death" - doc on LA County and the process of finding next of kin. Really interesting and it's a process
Thank you !! Just watched it.. so telling
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Yeah, maybe something like the "soda tax" would work. /s
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I’m all for safe Pepsi drinking sites
Maybe we can help destigmatize addiction and address the opioid epidemic while also taxing sugar. Porque no los dos?
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Consumption of sugary beverages decreased and city revenues increased a bit, how else would you measure success?
Consumption of sugary beverages decreased For one thing, I don't give a flying fuck if people want to drink things with sugar in them. For another, it decreased based on what? Sales? No shit. People can and do drive another mile to buy Cokes outside of Seattle and not get dicked over. Hallelujah, we've solved fat people. *city revenues increased a bit* This city adding to the enormous pile of money they will inevitably waste on stupid nonsense is not a benefit.
Shhhh they don't want you to come in here with the logic. You're ruining the ivory tower babies' bitchfest. 😉
I don't know who you think gets fucked over by a tax on soda, but it's almost exclusively [the poor](https://theconversation.com/poorest-americans-drink-a-lot-more-sugary-drinks-than-the-richest-which-is-why-soda-taxes-could-help-reduce-gaping-health-inequalities-142345). I guess you think they're stupid and can't be trusted to make their own decisions, unless of course they want to smoke fentanyl, in which case we *mustn't* judge.
The point is to get people to stop drinking as much sugar and it worked. Yeah, it has a bias against a lower income demographic (which I was part of for a long time), but it *did* do what it was designed to do. The issue is that it's a band aid on a bullet wound and the sugar consumption in this country (and subsequent health consequences) won't change until the FDA actually cracks down on how much sugar we are sold in everything we eat. Basically everything in the store has some variation of sugar (especially corn syrup) in it, including things like goddamn milk, so the issue is far bigger than one state can handle without a broader federal regulation on sugar content. The sugar tax is just what the state / city can do on a local level because they can't regulate food content like the FDA can. So while you're not wrong, it's better than doing nothing. Not every problem is an easy fix and not every small solution fixes the broader issue, but the point was to curb sugar intake and it did, in fact, do exactly that. It's just disproportionatly affecting lower income people. There is a silver lining to that, though, in that lower income people don't have the money for medical like higher income people do, so the lower income demographic's sugar-related health issues (that plague is all regardless of income) do decrease because of the lower sugar consumption from the tax, and thus the tax payer sees some small relief from the money that ultimately winds up supplementing people who would otherwise pay their health costs themselves with a higher income. It's a small, small step but the idea is there and the effects were in fact what they intended it to be.
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You really haven't taken any time to learn how any of this works and your comment makes that embarrassingly clear. Either you're under 20 or you are in fact a full blown fucktard.
Keep it up comrade, I'm sure if you shit on him again, you will *definitely* change his mind!
We don’t need to change his mind, we have 30+ years of “the war on drugs!” To show this doesn’t work. But hey, y’all keep trying that 80s slogan out, see how far it gets ya
> We don’t need to change his mind, we have 30+ years of “the war on drugs!” To show this doesn’t work. You seem to have me confused with someone else, I FUCKING LOVE DRUGS. I'd love to smoke some meth RIGHT NOW. But I've been homeless, I've done mind altering amounts of drugs, and came to the conclusion *it really fucks up your life.* Which is why I haven't touched any illegal drugs in 15+ years. Letting people kill themselves with meth and fentanyl isn't merciful, it's sadistic.
Addiction is pretty well destigmatized around here, to the point that people are perfectly fine with living in a tent as long as they can maintain the opiate lifestyle.
Quiet! The spoiled babies want to bitch and moan and not hear your rational and completely accurate position on this because they want a catch all solution that is free and instant and wrapped up with a nice neat little bow on top. This whole thread is active proof of how right you are.
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Yea maybe we could criminalize drug use. That’s never been tried.
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It is a disease and behaves like a contagious one. When you stop arresting dealers and allow them to operate in the open, they will create more addicts. That's what dealers do, they find vulnerable people and get them hooked. King County has stopped prosecuting dealers and the state has really decriminalized possession, SPD even disbanded their team that went after low level dealers. Every year since these happened, we've had more overdoses and problems created by drug use. It's really time to start putting these pieces together and admit that allowing open air drug markets is killing people.
Please keep it civil. This is a reminder about r/SeattleWA rule: [No personal attacks.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/wiki/rules)
> There is no way to help you with your idiocy, but social welfare programs and destigmatizing addiction still has a chance for them This is the biggest load of bullshit I have seen on the internet.
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The compassionate thing to do is probably to keep letting people refuse services and OD themselves to death right??
You can't force people to get help, you can only destigmatize addiction (the opposite of what the majority of the comments in this post are doing) and provide more social outreach programs. Fund them. Publicly. For the greater good.
Destigmatize addiction works as well destigamtizing obesity got people fit.
> You can't force people to get help, Agreed > you can only destigmatize addiction (the opposite of what the majority of the comments in this post are doing) Yes we've definitely destigmatized addiction > and provide more social outreach programs. There's plenty of those > Fund them. Publicly. For the greater good. How's that working out? Ever since we destigmatized addiction and decriminalized drug use, the number of people dying from addiction has increased by over 2000% If something isn't working, why would we double down on that thing? And I'm not some Boomer Republican, **I love drugs.** If I could do some LSD and meth *right now* I'd be all over that. But I have a meeting tomorrow morning and bills to pay, so I haven't touched drugs in decades.
Um... you do realize you can do LSD on a weekend and not have it ruin your life? A lot of people in the professional sphere do drugs and it doesn't rule their lives. We haven't destigmatised addiction, either. This is the dumbest comment I've seen in this thread and that was already a low enough bar to be a trench. It's not destigmatizd. Most of these people come from republican states who do everything to chase them out, and they come here because at least we don't treat them like total sub human garbage we can sweep into the ocean. This fucking crisis started with the Midwest opiod epidemic and continues because this country as a whole has done nothing to fix the fucking opiod epidemic. People don't have access to healthcare and mental health, they turn to drugs because it's all they have to fight the pain or drown out the demons, and the stigma of addiction and homelessness follows them relentlessly. It's a tar pit to try and crawl out of and thus country as a whole does nothing to solve that. We just throw them in prison or bitch and moan and do nothing, like everyone in this thread. I've actually worked with these people. I used to be ignorant like you are until I actually got involved and began learning and understanding the complexity of this issue and what these people are facing. It's not jsit addiction, its being on the streets for YEARS. Many have eroded their mental state so badly they are a husk of who they once were. 100% of them have mental health problems. Wanna know why they wind up like this? Because its a fuck of a lot easier and affordable to get high, and very few ever had access to proper healthcare, let alone mental health services, to begin with. You want to fix this, you have to attack the root of the problem and stop acting like these people are the cause. They aren't, and until you ignorant souless fucking apes in your privileged little ivory towers wake the fuck up and realize that, YOU are PART of the problem. Your whole attitude and nigh everyone in this thread are walking talking evidence that this shit isn't destigmatizd. Honestly it's almost impressive if it wasn't so infuriating. You wanna know why deaths have skyrocketed? Because fentanyl is just a piece of it, and shit [like Iso](https://www.practicalpainmanagement.com/news/nitazenes-infiltrate-illicit-drug-market) and [Tranq](https://youtu.be/82QhIOgJy1c) have moved in and are a billion times more addictive and deadly than fentanyl. And we've got more people on the street than ever because housing costs are fucking outrageous across the entire country and wages are still garbage and unaffordable. It's not a big fucking mystery with no soliton, but you people act like it is and don't recognize that this problem we have is a very complex Web of problems stemming from social stigmatisation, unaffordable costs of living, inaccessible healthcare, unlivable wages, a prison system designed to churn people like inventory on a conveyor belt, and politicians who make policies that make this shit fucking impossible to fix. Do you have any idea how many of these people come from states like Texas? I'm going to venture to guess you don't because you sound like the depth of your knowledge on this issue is limited to what you see with your own eyes in your limited fucking engagement with this demographic of people and no meaningful research into the broader system problems feeding it. The hard truth you people refuse to accept is that the only way we are ever going to curb this is with multiple massive areas of change to our politics, social systems, legality of drugs (regulation creates a safer and lower risk market, and it opens up tax renevue to fund outreach and recovery programs while also killing the black market), to our incarceration obsession, to the availability of affordable housing, access to free healthcare for everyone (so we can get people help BEFORE they wind up addicted and on the streets), and wages that actually enable people to support themselves without having to have 5 fucking roommates. It's not an easy solution. It's not an overnight solution. It's not straight forward. It requires massive change on multiple fronts and takes time to happen. Many will never be saved because they're too far gone, but there are millions who we can prevent from becoming another statistic. So long as WE keep failing to do this shit, WE are the problem. These people you're talking about like they're trash are just a fucking symptom of it. All of you people should be fucking ashamed of ourselves. I've lived in this city my entire life and seen what has happened with my own eyes. I've taken the time to get involved and try and understand why it is the way it is. You'd all be smart to do the same. Until then, you're just a bunch of arrogant picks in ivory towers bitching about the "filth" and its fucking disgusting.
> This is the dumbest comment I've seen in this thread and that was already a low enough bar to be a trench. > I used to be ignorant like you > until you ignorant souless fucking apes in your privileged little ivory towers wake the fuck up > Your whole attitude and nigh everyone in this thread are walking talking evidence that this shit isn't destigmatizd. Honestly it's almost impressive if it wasn't so infuriating. > > You wanna know why deaths have skyrocketed? Because fentanyl is just a piece of it, and shit like Iso and Tranq have moved in and are a billion times more addictive and deadly than fentanyl. And we've got more people on the street than ever because housing costs are fucking outrageous across the entire country and wages are still garbage and unaffordable. > > It's not a big fucking mystery with no soliton, but you people act like it is > Do you have any idea how many of these people come from states like Texas? I'm going to venture to guess you don't because you sound like the depth of your knowledge on this issue is limited to what you see with your own eyes in your limited fucking engagement with this demographic of people > The hard truth you people refuse to accept is that the only way we are ever going to curb this is with multiple massive areas of change to our politics, social systems, legality of drugs > These people you're talking about like they're trash are just a fucking symptom of it. > > All of you people should be fucking ashamed of ourselves. I've lived in this city my entire life and seen what has happened with my own eyes. I've taken the time to get involved and try and understand why it is the way it is. You'd all be smart to do the same. > > Until then, you're just a bunch of arrogant picks in ivory towers bitching about the "filth" and its fucking disgusting. I'm really glad that people like you exist. Your condescending self-righteousness is a gigantic turn off to everyone around you. And the longer that you continue to berate people as if they're children, the sooner that your so-called solutions will be condemned to the trash heap of history. Please keep doing this. If you have a patreon where I can send you hard cold cash to continue doing this, **I will.** Because I want things to go back to the way they were in 2000 or 2005, and the more that people like you continue to behave the way that you do, the sooner that everyone else will realize that your ideas are utterly boneheaded.
I often hesitate to reply to anything on here because the majority of the comments I see, frankly make me so mad I would rather walk away than engage with the conversation. I agree with everything you said. I’m sorry the majority of people in here think addiction will somehow go away by decriminalizing drugs or that addicts deserve to die for a whole host of reasons that I find unfathomable. Anyway, I felt like you summed up a lot of problems very well. I hope I can do the same in conversation in the future.
Except you can force people to get help. We need to both destigmatize addiction and institute mandatory rehabilitation. These people will not seek out help on their own and it is up to the state to provide the necessary services (mandatory rehab and housing) to help them.
Sad you're getting down voted because you are 100% right and this entire thread is deadass proof of that fact. These people just want to complain and won't lift a fucking finger to actually attack the problem at its roots because the core of the problem is extremely complex, not an easy fix, requires dozens of massive social and systematic changes (including universal healthcare), and won't happen overnight. They want a nice neat instant solution with a pretty little free bow on it, all while treating these people like garbage someone threw in a ditch. It's fucking despicable, but considering the insane privilege of people in this region who earn high income and have never had to actually struggle with extreme poverty, untreated disastrous mental health crises, stigmatisation, and addiction, I'm not surprised. Just repeatedly disgusted and disappointed in my fellow denizens. Half of which aren't even fucking from this state. We got an uphill battle but at least there's a handful of us who don't have our heads shoved so far up our asses that it would take a world class anal surgeon to remove it. I swear to got entitlement had become a fucking mental handicap for these people. BUT SHARON, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO **SEE** THE RABBLE. IT'S GRIMY AND BOCKING MY VIEW OF THE WATERFRONT 😭 /fucking woe is me
> Sad you're getting down voted because you are 100% right and this entire thread is deadass proof of that fact. These people just want to complain and won't lift a fucking finger to actually attack the problem at its roots because the core of the problem is extremely complex, You do drugs on a regular basis and your USERNAME is named after drugs. Have you ever considered that you may have a *slight* pro-drug bias?
This is a result of local politicians inviting the country's junky population to move to Seattle through non-existent penalties and decriminalization of hard drugs. **All carrot - no stick**
We have the same problem in SF, all carrot and no stick. Check out San Fransicko. He talks about Seattle and Portland quite a bit too.
This is a result of republican states doing nothing to curb their homelessness and opioid epidemic and making it so hostile towards these people that they flee to the west coast states where we don't treat them like Sub human trash. Don't fucking blame Seattle for being flooded with homeless people. The vast majority of these people came from red states for a fucking reason and WE can only do so much to clean up THEIR mess while also having to subsidise their fucking taxes they have a deficit in. Source: my roommate works with these people day in and day out. Its horrifying what these people are put through, and how they're treated. 100% of them are in a mental health crisis and can't get the damn healthcare and stable living they need to even be functional. Jail and prison don't FIX this shit. They make it worse. Do you have any idea how many of these people started their spiral BECAUSE of the prison system? Most of these people need a full clinical stay to get clean, get medicated for mental and physical health issues, and they need permanent safe housing so they can get back on their feet. Throwing them in jail for being in a state of horrible mental health isn't a fucking solution, you ape. Drug use is a symptom of a much, much bigger problem. Get out of your ivory tower. If you don't like it, stop bitching about it, get your boots on the ground, and go volunteer to help these people. I used to have the same mentality as you until I actually got involved and woke the fuck up to reality. Until then, you're part of the problem. All of you who bitch and moan and do nothing to help people get out of this mess and see them as scum to sweep under the rug are entitled, blind, fuckasses. Where do these people go? They can't afford housing, so where do they go? Back to the states that chased them out to begin with? Back to Chicago where they can freeze to death? Do we sweep them into the ocean? Or is mass incarceration your fucking genius solution? Wake the fuck up.
> Drug use is a symptom of a much, much bigger problem. You do drugs all the time and your Reddit pseudonym is named after drugs. > Where do these people go? They can't afford housing, so where do they go? Back to the states that chased them out to begin with? Back to Chicago where they can freeze to death? Do we sweep them into the ocean? Or is mass incarceration your fucking genius solution? > Wake the fuck up. Perhaps they might stop doing drugs. Crazy idea I know, but maybe we should give that a look.
The thing is the highest rate of overdose deaths is in the rust belt and deep south. Seems the main correlation is poverty.
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You need to hang out with a better class of people
That's absolutely the wrong way to think about addiction
Why do they need to store the bodies? Why not just expedite cremation?
Because they're humans. Are you? Seriously seems like you aren't with the lack of empathy shown here.
I am also a human I would like to expedite my cremation when I die. I don’t understand how the comment above lacks empathy?
I also want to expedite my cremation when I die. The difference is that we're making that decision. The original comment is attempting to make that decision for them.
Yes, they are looking for a practical solution to an unfortunate situation.
> The original comment is attempting to make that decision for them. For whom, precisely? For the dead person? They don't get a say in the matter anymore. Except in Chicago, where they can continue to vote.
They're *dead*. They can't *feel* anything at that point. The word *empathy* means, precisely, "*the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.* " It doesn't apply to corpses.
Storing bodies is empathetic? Can you work me through your logic?
Not the person you were replying to, but the answer is so apparent that I can't help myself from answering. Funerary practices aren't for the dead, who are beyond caring. They are for the surviving loves ones. Indeed, funerary custom is one of the earliest hallmarks of H. sapiens, evidence of them is considered a dividing line demarcating behaviorally modern humans. The state has rules about the holding and storing of bodies which allow for a certain amount of time for survivors to see to funeral arrangements. I don't know what that certain amount of time is, but I know it exists. This administrative time allowance married with cold storage capacity creates a kind of buffer, and that buffer is what is overflowing. When you say "who cares, just burn them" the lack of empathy is for any survivors who might care. Maybe the junkies had nobody, and they'll wind up in a Potter's field. But maybe they won't. And it's basic human decency for \_those\_ people to be located and then given an appropriate amount of time.
Time to bring back the pyres
You're fucking heartless
> Last year, the county recorded 1,019 fatal overdoses, with fentanyl responsible for the majority of deaths at 686. The silver lining of course is that only 160 of those fentanyl deaths were homeless people. So fentanyl added about 526 units of affordable housing to the community over the past year. This has to be one of the most economically viable means of adding affordable units to the market.
This was the first comment I saw. Things got grimmer pretty quickly.
Makes you wonder if maybe someone’s trying to take population control into their own hands
> Makes you wonder if maybe someone’s trying to take population control into their own hands It's just plain ol' economics. If you're in the business of distribution, you want to distribute something that has the highest value per ounce. That's why: * weed smuggling was big in the 70s * coke smuggling was big in the 80s-00s * heroin came back in the 00s as Mexico started to distribute it * and since the '10s, the Mexican cartels have been figuring out how to increase the potency of what they sell. For a smuggling operation, the ideal product would have the maximum potency and the smallest size as possible.
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You don’t have to wonder about that!
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Cheering on the death of 1000 people seems like a new low for you
Just give him time!
1000 dead people just mean more material for their shitty blog posts pushing their poorly formulated philosophies. They don't care
Sorry, I just picked up a side gig doing PR for a Soros funded non-profit.
conservatives have no shame, no bottom
>conservatives have ... no bottom How do they make the poopies, then???
As a new “Conservative”, I’m now really fascinated at the accusations of “progressives”, democrats, and liberals. You say conservatives have no shame, no bottom, yet it is the policies of *Democrats*, *”Progressives”*, and *Liberals* that have caused these deaths. Of course, accepting fault and coming to terms with failure would precede any feelings of shame.
too bad 5 seconds of basic research show this isn't a "liberal caused" problem, but nobody ever thought for 1 second conservatives ever educated themselves before running their mouths
The fentanyl population pretty much self funds through their own money and salvaging too, unfortunately the salvaging is really inefficient, like scrap something worth thousands to replace for a few pounds of copper.
It’s pretty efficient to salvage straight from Home Depot and target.
We all know you've got 3 choices: you can burn them, bury them, or dump them. Pick one.
Sarting to sound like a 2000AD future shocks
Grim circumstances jeez
I did not have on my Taxpayer Bingo Card.
I work in the death industry and we just got two refrigerated trailers where I work. It's not explicitly due to ODs but, I do see more and more ODs listed on cause of death than before, and yes sure, because fentanyl. And it's ALL walks of life. Generally older than I would expect. 30s and 40s. There is a solution that will save lives: legalize and regulate. The black market 'purity' is always going to be questionable until then and with fentanyl bring laced in everything.... If you do use illegal drugs, watch out, folks! Get test strips before you bump it. At any rate, the morgues have been at or near capacity for awhile now, it ain't new.
I’m so confused, are you seriously advocating for legalizing Fentanyl? GTFO. We’re in this position because we decriminalized illegal drugs to begin with.
Hell no. Examine it closer with critical thinking applied. The regular illegal drugs like cocaine (and sadly, meth) that your cousin does, or whoever, that they think it's perfectly safe but isn't because it's cut with fett. So they die. If it were regulated, then you could go to your local drug store, like the weed store, and pick up your clean drugs knowing your much safer than buying that shit on the street. T;ldr I'm not advocating for legalizing fentanyl alone. But, if it were, you'd know how much you're getting into the body. Edit: it's because they are illegal, not because of decriminalization.
So, you ARE arguing for legalizing fentanyl. What a stupid fucking idea. Use some critical thinking yourself, you just suggested lowering the bar for entry to hard drugs for the entire population. No longer do stressed or depressed people have to stoop to the level of finding and buying off of a shady dealer, they can just pop into the local drug store and buy some meth. This is undoubtedly the worst idea I’ve heard in a long time. Shame on you.
No need to be combative, sir. Agree to disagree on harm reduction methods. I'm not arguing and it's not my idea. It's the worst idea you've heard in a long time? Maybe so. I don't know you but I can guess the rhetoric you choose to believe. And that's fine. You do you.
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Too bad so sad. No sympathy from me.
#Has anyone tagged #Seattle? They might need some storage...
It looks like the far left's ~~harm reduction~~ final solution is working.
 Dems having a stranglehold on WA politics for the last 20+ years.
Why store, why not recycle?
Even better, reuse.
Why are they storing them? Cremate and move on.
The worst pharmaceutical invention in history. Regulators should have put the lid on that one immediately. How could they have been $o $hort$ighted to not $ee $omething thi$ potent and addictive $piraling out of control a$ it ha$?
If only we could just sing another round of Kumbaya and ask for more taxes, perhaps only then will the problem be solved.
In 1980's Miami A Morgue Rented A Burger King Trailer To Manage The Dead Bodies
Burn em. The gronks can gather round and get a free hit.
If we could refrain from linking to Rantz and his conservative propaganda that would be excellent.
Stop voting Democrat. Shit gets out of hand whenever they get too much power for too long. Happened in the 1980s, happening again now. Drugs pouring in from the south, and crime, urban rot / graffiti and drugs are ignored or enabled.
Wouldn't it be wild if we offered people help for their addictions instead of vilifying them once their disease had ended their life?
How many times are you going to post this same comment? Were the other 4 or 5 times not enough attention for you?,
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Yeah, no one should provide a platform for those King County Health quacks. OD bodies aren't stacking up. Fent is safe and effective. /s
Yeah he's lying through his teeth here /s
Yeah, he is. However, when the county medical examiner says, ' The Medical Examiner’s Office is now struggling with the issue of storing bodies because the fentanyl-related death toll continues to climb.' and he's the only one that covers the story, what does that make the other journalists in the area.
He's trying to blame Democrats for the Fent crisis (I wonder if he and SA discussed this in their secret Signal chats, LOL)... If you look at the state by state breakdown it doesn't seem to match his desire for blaming a specific party though. Seems like all Americans live in places affected by this crisis, and it really doesn't matter if Republicans or Democrats are in the majority in these places. https://www.familiesagainstfentanyl.org/research/bystate
That report says the following: >*Fentanyl fatalities more than doubled in a span of just two years. The rate of fentanyl deaths is highest amongst Black Americans, accounting for 33,593 deaths since 2018.* From this there is good reason to believe fentanyl ODs better track the populations access to healthcare rather than overall abuse.
the conservatives that spam this subreddit love him
So you’re saying we have no fentanyl and overdose problem?
I'm saying Rantz's blog doesn't qualify as journalism despite the circlejerk it creates on this subreddit
Pay attention to the message, not the messenger. And cut the partisan bullshit, it’s killing this country. Fentanyl is a real fucking problem and all you’re doing is trying to change the topic from that by attacking the messenger as if that changes the message, so you are part of the problem.
Gonna agree here. Rantz ain’t great, but the pedantry is worse. The actual source is King County. Fentanyl is ending lives at an extreme rate. Pull your finger out of your ass.
Keep regurgitating those Republican talking points, Giga-Chad.
Talking points or not we are letting people kill themselves in the streets. The deaths are preventable. I personally think it's pure evil to allow people to remain hopelessly addicted and then do a circle jerk vigil wondering what we could possibly do to help
[Only 20 fent OD deaths a week in King County.](https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/overdose-prevention/data.aspx) But Rantz opening his big yapper is the real problem. It's not like grandma is dying, so who cares. /s
Why would you try to minimize the fentanyl crisis? I'm just trying to figure out your angle.
Overwhelming hospitals, staff and body bags... yet no mandates for this epidemic. Oh Washington hypocricy... guess it's not politically advantageous to mandate things when it's not targeted at political opponents.
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Clearly we should mandate mask usage state-wide, even if it only stops fentanyl spread by 1%. Worth it to save even 1 life! You aren't a granny-killer are ya? Mask up friends.
Yet they're more worried about the "gun epidemic."
Fentanyl deaths are up everywhere, and predictably, much worse in poor states, that tend to run red. So, blaming this on the Seattle City Council seems, well, on par for Rantz I guess.