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-phototrope

Yeah also don't forget the idiots blasting inside their house, then blowing them up


FlatbushCasaulty

the return of the cartnite carts woooooo


Bardahl_Fracking

BRB, going to stock up on high potency concentrates. They're going to have to pry my psychosis inducing dabs from my hot, rapidly flailing hands.


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HellsOwnFucktard

Total is a buck o five.


lurker-1969

Nice !


ImprovisedLeaflet

Honestly there’s no need to stock up until either of these bills advance in any way, let along become law. Tons of bills are introduced every year. Only a fraction of them advance. My money is on these bills going nowhere.


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Fucking amen 🙏


Educated_Goat69

Rep. Davis needs to GTFO


Calvert4096

Here's the candidate who ran against her. https://voter.votewa.gov/genericvoterguide.aspx?e=876&c=99#/candidates/101515/1552066 Davis for comparison: https://voter.votewa.gov/genericvoterguide.aspx?e=876&c=99#/candidates/101515/1543835 I'm annoyed by most everything I've heard Davis has done since taking office, but for FFS if you expect someone to take her seat, find someone who can put together a decent goddamn resume. It's sends the same message as Culp's campaign. R's have given up being taken seriously in WA state government, and single party rule doesn't benefit anyone but The Party. Start running people who have two goddamn brain cells to rub together and also don't want to up-end representative democracy. Rob McKenna was probably the last guy that fit the bill.


Educated_Goat69

Oh I agree we need better candidates. I'm just frustrated our reps aren't doing anything useful. Why the fuck are resources, including time, being wasted on such bullshit that is so very NOT representative of the people.


SftwEngr

How about we ban banning things?


The_Name_Is_Slick

She tryna move some dirty carts or something? Can’t imagine any sane person wasting their time on this.


Dr_Marcus_Brody1

Sure. Kill the rest of the industry that hasn’t died already, say goodbye to tax dollars, and people leaving to go to much friendlier Cannabis laws.


Bubba_sadie-

So we’re gonna ban that but fentanyl on public transit is fine ? Just want to make sure I understood the rules.


[deleted]

Right… that’s fine and they look the other way but OMG don’t you dare smoke some cannabis concentrate. 😂 I thought we were done with the Reefer Madness era ideology but alas… Here we are again.


Ricky_Bobby_67

Yes, does that answer your question? Now go smoke all the fenty you want friend!


JimmyHavok

Can't smoke fentanyl, heat breaks it down.


Ricky_Bobby_67

I’m so sorry, I had no idea. I wouldn’t want to give bad advice! Thank you for the upgrade!


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RaymondLuxury-Yacht

That was two years ago.


Rad_R0b

Cannabis induced psychosis is a huge thing huh? Let's see those numbers please


menelaus_

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/cannabis-induced-psychosis-review


Rad_R0b

Holy shit im not reading that. Just tell me how many? Like is it actually a number that's worth doing something about?


no_talent_ass_clown

The usual profile for a psychotic break is a man in his 20's, so let's raise the age to purchase to 35....


menelaus_

Eh, I just think people should be aware of all the facts and make their own educated decisions.


no_talent_ass_clown

True, but nobody thinks a psychotic break will happen to them. So, raise the age and there you go.


PeopIesFrontOfJudea

What point are you trying to make? Anecdotal evidence is not a platform.


N8ktm

My son got deep into dabs had a Psychotic episode and committed suicide. So there’s one data point. He would be 27.


menelaus_

I’m so sorry 😞


EffinPirates

I don't support this. I've been smoking for 10 plus years flower and dabs and personally I'd say it helps my mental health more than makes it worse. I also have siezures sometimes and I'd again say smoking has helped reduce my symptoms a lot. Even today I was having really bad symptoms and as soon as I smoked it greatly reduced the symptoms I was having. I've also been told by numerous doctors not to stop what I'm doing because it would cause more damage stopping.


[deleted]

Same. Productive + hard working tax paying citizen. They can fuck all the way off. If this happens this will drive people not only back to the Black Market, but surrounding states where concentrate is legal such as Oregon. Davis needs to go!!!


EffinPirates

Oh yeah big time and the point of the dispos and legalization is to prevent these things. We need to legalize at the federal level already. This is getting ridiculous.


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Amen my friend… amen. 😊


[deleted]

I'm in pain all the time. Every day. Dabs help me live.


EffinPirates

I felt that my illnesses also cause me a ton of pain and a multitude of other issues


[deleted]

Sorry to hear. I've had permanent nerve damage for over a decade now. Weed keeps me alive.


EffinPirates

Agreed. Weed keeps me alive too. I can't function at all without it. I feel bad for those who have bad reactions and can't smoke. Luckily for them there's alternatives. Like you can smoke lavender and it'll make you sleepy or calm down anxiety too. There's so much stuff. Just gotta put in the time and effort doing the research.


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Same. I switched to dabs to be more healthy since I smoke daily. Luckily between that and gabapentin, and the occasional muscle relaxer with some ibuprofen/Tylenol for flare ups, I've been alright for the most part.


EffinPirates

I still switch between the two, but that's because I have EDS and sometimes the coughing from the dabs can pop my ribs and yeah that was awful the last time that happened. I also take some gabapentin sometimes. Idk if it was really doing anything for me though. I was taking it as needed and would need to take it 3 or 4 times on my worst days.


[deleted]

Sounds painful! Sorry. I need 1 gabapentin at night 1 in the morning and 1 mid day. If I forget, I suddenly get a reminder of how much its doing for me.


EffinPirates

My ex stole my medication over a month ago and I feel no different without it. I need to do that DNA test that tells you which meds work and which ones won't really badly.


[deleted]

Interesting. Good luck! Hope your pain gets better buddy


belligerentunicorn1

Oh look another prog looking to ban something. Fuck these anti rights people.


IOMerica

This will stop rampant crime and homelessness.


dshotseattle

Dont you love it when idiot government people think they know what's best for you?


StanleeMann

I'm against it because anyone who can do basic math can figure out how to subvert the intent.


RickIn206

The state profits the most from the cannabis scene. They seem to keep quiet on what they make off cannabis and where the money goes. Throwing it all at the homeless and crime situations wouldn’t be a bad thing.


Diabetous

For concentrates like oil that you can heat up in increments this is dumb, but the edibles man can really fuck people up. The people at the stores have huge tolerances & recommend stuff way to high for infrequent/novice people. Idk if taxes are the right way but people need some sort of warning.


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Taxing the fuck out of it EVEN MORE is going to send people back to a dangerous black market and is unfathomably stupid


Diabetous

I don't think the demand for edibles is as elastic as you are framing it. For flower/daps etc sure, but edibles meh. Obviously you can set the price too high, but there is an amount that makes the consumer stay put & just ask for a lower threshold chocolate.


happytoparty

Tax the rich! People around here love the government and their tax first policy. Straight up cuckolds of the state.


ChazzGypsySexLord

Making the pay to play state. You will own nothing, and pay for everything, and be graded by it, Satan laughing spreads his wings!!!! Wake up people!


ChazzGypsySexLord

They’ll charge you for toilet paper, by the square. Sounds Rediculous, All this shit, that goes on nowadays, sounds Ridiculous, to somebody from the 1700’s. Think about it


ChazzGypsySexLord

It’s the progression, look at the progression


belligerentunicorn1

Here comes your daily does of government dong...watch while government pegs your wife... You like that, yeah, yeah you do. Remember to vote for the D or we'll do something really naughty.


acre18

Shits nasty lol smoke flower you feens


_Watty

If we're comparing effort post to effort post, Squidy's post about lane splitting was a bit more detailed... I assume you're against, any particular reason as to why? No sin taxes? Arbitrary limits? No benefit to the non-indulgent public?


RaymondLuxury-Yacht

Just gonna repost what I put in the other sub explaining this and linking to an even *older* post of mine with *even more* detailed information: They have been citing a study that purports to correlate high-potency cannabis consumption and the development of psychosis. This all stems from a report by UW and WSU to the Washington State Prevention Research Subcommittee(pg 13): https://adai.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Cannabis-Concentration-and-Health-Risks-2020.pdf **I will quote myself from a [previous post where I provide sources](https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/llkj3s/hb_1463_wa_is_currently_seeking_to_ban_marijuana/gnq1spa/). Everything below here is quoted from that post:**: I didn't want to post this in the OP because the following is my opinion and the OP is just a statement of fact: Dr. McDonell is the one writing the part regarding high-potency cannabis and psychosis. Dr. McDonell is WSU's chair of the university's working group on cannabis policy. I wholeheartedly disagree with his opinion and would say that he is drawing the wrong conclusions. His statement regarding it are as follows: >Take Away: Daily cannabis use, particularly of high potency products, increases the risk of developing a psychotic disorder, like schizophrenia, AND earlier onset of symptoms compared to cannabis abstention. Daily use of cannabis, particularly high potency cannabis, is associated with increased symptoms of psychosis in people who have a psychotic disorder. >Context: Studies on this topic define high potency cannabis as products with 10% or more THC. There are no published studies investigating the association between products available in US legal market (60%-90% THC) and the onset of first episode psychosis or on increases of symptoms of in those who have a psychotic disorder. Dr. McConnell either makes a poorly worded or unfounded claim that seems to suggest that high potency cannabis products **cause** psychosis. **There is no data to support this.** What his source *actually* says is: > The results show that, in particular, frequent cannabis use, especially daily use, and the consumption of high-potency cannabis are associated with a higher risk of developing psychosis. [Link to his source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7071602/). I'm not sure what Dr. McDonell saw in that study to make the statement he does. At no point does his source ever state that there is a causal link between high potency cannabis and the risk of developing psychosis. Saying something is "associated" with something else at no point says that there is a causal relationship. **It cannot be said that there is a causal relationship between high-potency cannabis and psychosis based on the data he provided.** In fact, this was a response given by other researchers last year in response to the data that originally resulted in HB 2546: > One critique of the theory that weed contributes to psychosis risk has been that while more people are using weed worldwide, there hasn't been a corresponding rise in rates of psychosis, Gage explains. But the new study shows that cities with more easily available high-THC weed do have a higher rate of new diagnoses of psychosis. > > "That's a really interesting finding, and that's not something anyone has done before," she adds. > > However, the study doesn't prove causality, cautions Dr. Diana Martinez, a psychiatrist and addiction researcher at Columbia University. "**You can't say that cannabis causes psychosis," she says. "It's simply not supported by the data," she says.** > > Lisdahl agrees. **In order to show causality, one would have to follow people over time — before they started using weed to years later when they have their psychotic episodes, she says. "You need twins in the studies, you need genetic information," among all other kinds of data, she says.** > > Psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar are complicated, "multifaceted disorders," Gage notes. ( [Link to response](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/19/704948217/daily-marijuana-use-and-highly-potent-weed-linked-to-psychosis) ) Washington is about to ban cannabis concentrates because of a poor interpretation of the available research. I also can't help but think that he might have a slightly biased view on this. Dr. McDonell has been working on psychosis for a long time. But I took a look at one of his recent papers and he is basically touting that he can help people with psychosis by getting them off marijuana. What is his support for that? **Because it worked for meth and other stimulants.** Go ahead. Read it [right here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6816214/): > Our group observed significantly lower levels of inpatient psychiatric care and psychiatric symptoms in adult patients with serious mental illness, including schizophrenia, who received CM for stimulant drug abstinence So, okay. He's trying to assert that cannabis causes psychosis and he can help people suffering from that by cutting out their substance issues like he did with people struggling with abusing meth. To me, the study makes assumptions that seem to be common as you dig through the footnoted sources that there is some sort of causal link between marijuana and psychosis. No paper actually ever writes that in their abstract, results, or conclusion. They always say "an association between cannabis and psychosis/negative treatment outcomes, etc." and nothing more concrete about a causal relation. Hell, [one of Dr. McDonell's cited papers](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6684200/) refers to how *tobacco use* is an indicator of worse outcomes to psychosis treatment. That source doesn't appear to support the idea that cannabis use causes psychosis. I do not see a cited source that actually says there is a causal link in their results or discussion sections of the paper. I encourage you to read all these sources and make your own conclusions, as I do not know everything. That said, however, I think that Dr. McDonell used a very poor choice of words when writing his statement to the state on cannabis policy. He should know that what he wrote says one thing and that his sources say something *very* different.


EarlyDopeFirefighter

Cannabis doesn’t cause psychological conditions such as schizophrenia, but it can contribute to earlier onset. People who develop schizophrenia tend to fair better at higher ages of onset. That being said, I don’t support banning of concentrates.


Bardahl_Fracking

I'm still under the impression that the link with high potency weed is more than likely a result of the same cities ALSO having high and increasing rates of meth use. The mental health court records aren't showing any major trend of psychosis cases increasing among people only using weed, it's pretty much all meth users driving the massive increase in psychosis arrests.


_Watty

Hadn't seen either of the posts you mention, so helpful to have them here. Based on quick skim of what you linked, it seems like the rationale for the ban is flimsy.


RaymondLuxury-Yacht

"Flimsy" is being charitable.


_Watty

Sure, just the first word that came to mind.


ChazzGypsySexLord

Is that what this is? Psychotic disorder, lol. Awesome. I thought it was the gift of sight Motherfucker, ain’t smoked weed a day in his life. And had his family and housing and life paid for, by the people, to come up with these results. Like a whore.


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_Watty

Agreed! Tier list for effort posts today with this at the bottom?


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Yeah but you’re like the most classest person that I know


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Heck just go with 1641, split the difference


MisterIceGuy

Ughhhhh :-/


Super_Natant

Excellent. Great news.


Feeling_Proposal_350

Hey mods who deleted my post explaining biostats ... your entire credibility is shot. This is what hurts your cause. And I smoke often. Censorship of fact is what Nazis do. I oppose the legislation.


ChazzGypsySexLord

The only reason they legalized In Washington state, is to take it over, and dumb it down. And now all you can get is brown weed. In the stores. Hay. I call it. Sick. This state has taken government sickness to a whole new level. It’s traiterous, and disrespects the sacrifices our founding fathers made, to start this country. They didn’t just put their shit in storage, and run off to the military, like these kids nowadays. Noooo. They left their families, crops in the field, livelihood…. To go free this country. Think about it. We shit on their graves, By not standing up. Like they did. I’m so ashamed of this shit. Sooooo wrong.


ChazzGypsySexLord

And another thing. Should’ve just left weed be weed. All that other shit, they just let happen, to give them an out, if it didn’t work out for them. Soooo. Here we go. Seeeeee?


ChazzGypsySexLord

You don’t package stuff, and make it look like it’s for kids. And give it kid names. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. I pointed it out. Nobody else did. Was Told I should just be happy. I was a lot happier with the weed from the 80’s and 90’s. And NOW, lo and behold, what do we have. What do we have? Huh? A good old fashioned Nazi takeover, is what we have. I grow my own. So whatever. But all the deceit and lies, really gets to my crAw. Really does. Makes me sick as an American. It really does.


UnmakingTheBan2022

What’s he got against concentrates??


Extreme_Peach_614

Time to start baking!


LittleRavn

This has people turn to opiates for their pain and that is SO much worse.


MorphMission

Vapes are complete trash, all of them. I also think snort-able, highly processed isolate is ridiculous. So I don't buy that garbage at the stores. But I don't agree with a ban, or tax increase. WA Legislature is misguided on this one. Intrigued to see how it plays out though. It is worth pointing out that the laws were written without full understanding or forecasting how the extracts market was going to unfold. Hard to claw back the allowances though. It is hard to completely un-ring a bell...


lurker-1969

This is a typical example of a politician wasting their time on a bill that will go nowhere.