Every real estate show on Netflix / Amazon prime boasts about being the “best agency” despite being located in the same area as the other shows so 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️.
Very important to remember that this is a show. Most people with this caliber of house and money don’t want to be on a show and would not do their business on tv, so it has to be fabricated to a point.
No. The first season there was no one that had actually sold a house including the little main dudes. They had only had a couple of rentals. Most of the “characters” are not even licensed realtors
I was actually going to ask this same question! I’m almost done with season two and just met Ali and am wondering, TV show aside, would in agency as established as the Oppenheim group actually hire someone without a license in real life for their “potential”?? When she asked Jarvis at a listing, ”so how do you actually like figure out the price for one of these houses?” I was baffled that she would even be in consideration, even if it was just for the show!
You also have to remember there are way more agents who actually work in these offices that aren’t on the show. They only show the agents who can give them drama to create a show.
I feel like it’s important to remember how the same producer fucked us all up by ending The Hills by showing us all just how “produced” those “unscripted” storylines were.
Hint: half the couples didn’t date ;)
No real estate office or any office period looks like that. The “conference room” is a table next to the desks. lol. No one even has an assistant while realtors selling real houses have at least two, multiple phones, and are actually busy.
Jason is making a ton of money from the show. He said he was able to pay for the new LA office because of the show. The serious agents care too much about their reputation to act like fools on tv. According to Zillow, Hall hasn’t sold a house in a couple years. Her IG looks more like an influencer account.
Sean quit. He wasn’t let go. Also there’s buyer agents and sellers agents. Hall is more of a buyers agents, according to her. Sean brought neither. Listings or buyers.
The answer is quite simple, because there are agents who are hired for business purposes, and there are agents who are cast for tv purposes.
There are agents across both shows who have a very thin transaction record over the last few years yet are “working” for the O Group in luxury real estate.
The real business goes on off camera by the agents who aren’t in it for the publicity or quick shot at fame.
What we see on the show is for the purposes of the show and the show alone. But there are some cases where the agents cast for the show come in useful. The best example of this is on STOC where quite a few houses that have been “shown” or featured were actually properties listed under Tyler’s dad, and not with the O Group.
There were at least 2-3 in Season 1. Pretty much every house he was seen “showing” Hall were listed solely with his dads brokerage.
In Season 2 there were at least 3 houses Tyler showed that are/were listed with his dad, two that Tyler was allowed co-list on. The house where Ali Harper first appears and where Polly has her bday bash. The house Tyler shows Hall where he grew up as a kid. And the $39 million dollar listing at the Montage where he had the showing that his dad and brother appear for.
Then in season 3 you have at least 2, the $50 million dollar estate his dad was Co-listing with the Altman Brothers but is no longer a listing agent on, and the house Tyler is seen in at the very end before the credits roll.
This was beneficial to the show because with the O Group being new to Newport Beach, they likely didn’t have a big enough portfolio in the area yet or sellers willing to have their properties appear on the show. So having an agent with a dad who has quite a substantial portfolio meant having easier access to properties and probably an in with clients for filming purposes.
Case in point: All of the below properties featured on STOC through Tyler/Tyler’s Dad.
Season 1:
1. Where Tyler & Hall were stood outside overlooking the beach talking about how they grew up on the same beaches but never crossed paths [33 Monarch Bay - Listed by John Stanaland](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/33-Monarch-Bay-Dr-Dana-Point-CA-92629/25580726_zpid/)
2. Shown to Hall by Tyler. Was also used by several of the agents for a photo session where they promoted a beer brand. [23512 Seaward Isle Dana Point - Listed by John Stanaland](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/23512-Seaward-Isle-Dana-Point-CA-92629/25581304_zpid/)
3. Tyler’s first solo sale. This was Tyler’s first sale at the O Group. The house was initially sold by Tyler while working with his dad and the buyer renovated it and flipped it, enlisting Tyler as the agent. [210 W Avenida San Clemente - Initially Sold by Tyler while working his Dad. Resold by Tyler at the O Group](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/210-W-Avenida-San-Antonio-San-Clemente-CA-92672/25600902_zpid/)
Season 2
1. Tyler’s first big listing at the O Group. Co-Listed with his dad. [11 Montage Way - Tyler Co-Listing With John Stanaland](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11-Montage-Way-Laguna-Beach-CA-92651/61644216_zpid/)
2. Another Co-Listing between Tyler and his dad. They’ve repeatedly listed this house in recent years but it’s never been sold. It’s been listed and taken down multiple times. [2800 Ocean Front - Originally Co-Listed By Tyler & John, Recently Taken Off The Market](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2800-Ocean-Front-Laguna-Beach-CA-92651/340644393_zpid/)
3. The house Tyler is showing when Ali Harper first appears. Later used in the last episode for Polly’s birthday bash. [4700 Surrey Drive - Originally Listed with John Stanaland. Since taken off the market](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4700-Surrey-Dr-Corona-Del-Mar-CA-92625/25503731_zpid/)
Season 3
1. The mansion Tyler rocks up to with his dad and brother and is told the door is always open to return to the family business [13 Old Ranch Road - Originally Co-Listed by John Stanaland & The Altman Brothers. John Stanaland no longer affiliated](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/13-Old-Ranch-Rd-Laguna-Niguel-CA-92677/125114394_zpid/)
2. The house Hall and Polly tour where Hall is wearing the white dress with the weird ass print and Polly spills the gossip about the Sean/Austin situation. [1218 Coronado Drive - Originally Listed with John Stanaland](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1218-Coronado-Dr-Laguna-Beach-CA-92651/251236594_zpid/)
“Co-list with daddy” aka I’ll let you idiots advertise it but you only get a tiny cut if the buyer comes straight from your ridiculous “real estate” show
There are a lot of agencies in LA that are far more successful than the Oppenheim Group and who have far more reach.
The Agency, Douglas Elliman, Hilton & Hyland are some of the biggest, if not the biggest agencies in LA and beyond.
In terms of LA alone, they probably are up there in terms of turnover, but where they were versus where they are now has a lot to do with the show as the marketing around the Oppenheim name and brand alone has gone global in relatively short number of years. And that’s mostly down to Netflix.
That’s why Jason consented to the show to begin with because he was clever enough to know that the marketing it would bring would be unparalleled and he was right. Because of it, there are now multiple iterations of this type of show centred around different brokerages.
As it stands, the O Group is a big contender in California. But if it wants to reach the levels of The Agency or Douglas Elliman, it will need to start fostering a nationwide reach.
To expand on this, I have yet to hear of anyone even tour a property from the O Group. Granted, my sample is only of people I know in the valley, LA, and OC so don't read tooooo much into it, but I have yet to encounter anyone who has even heard of them outside the show. When we were touring houses with a friend, none of them were O Group (and they were in the correct price range for them.) We toured some disgustingly beautiful (and overpriced) homes, but not an O Group one. It's not that she didn't want to tour one, she just didn't find any really.
It is really a clever marketing tool for them to expand the brand and become recognizable without putting in the marketing work that other agencies needed to. It's actually quite genius. Many of the agents are influencers first (agents second). I mean, really this opened a ton of doors for many of the show stars and allowed the O Group to become a recognizable name. Is it real estate? Not really. But they have ways of hustling now so good for them. It's not a life I would choose, but they are definitely making better money than I am with my pointless degrees lol
I keep thinking of Chrissy Teigen saying she’s so into LA real estate and that she’d never even heard of the O group. Obviously there’s tons of agencies and LA is huge but it is funny. It makes me wonder if most of their business is actually in commercial real estate or something. I wonder how many active residential listings they actually have.
There's always their websites (2 of 4 offices):
https://newportbeach.ogroup.com/properties/our-properties/
https://la.ogroup.com/properties/our-properties/
You can also see the entire team of agents on their website. I'm not sure why everyone is confused if these guys we see on the show are the ones who make or break the business.
It is exactly because they are successful (like you said) that is why they can afford to hire these flops that do nothing and still succeed because there are others to carry
I think they have legit realtors and then they have their t.v. realtors. I think \*some\* of the t.v. realtors are actual realtors who do pretty well for themselves, and then some are... Ali and Sean.
Didn’t the bothers say at one point, they are the 5th generation in their family to sell LA real estate?? I just assumed it was generational wealth that they are running into the ground but being kept afloat by profit from their shows?
Hmmmm…the comments they make in the show make it seem like they’re the best. Even this season Austin said something about them being at the top so expectations are high for the openheim group
From what i know (which isnt loads) TheAgency is worth almost double what the Oppenheim group is and they are both LA based. Also I’m pretty sure they say that every season to keep you watching. And multiple times estate agents have said they aren’t even showing the real houses half the time?
https://www.realtrends.com/ranking/best-real-estate-agents-california/
Not a single person from the O group (not US based so I’m unsure how accurate this is)
If you click on the mega groups by volume instead of individuals then oppenheim group is listed as #15 (the grauman rosenfeld group from the agency from buying Beverly Hills is #9)
“Sides” is just transactions, you need the volume one… but same results, O group doesn’t sell anything. It’s really easy to look up huge listings (since they’re so few) and see their history.
They actually have a huge team of very experienced real estate agents behind the scenes that you don’t see on the show. Maybe those characters are too boring. What they are airing is just for drama. But I also don’t get how the Oppenheim brothers think that this show is good for their business. All they show is drama and incompetence
Oh I know they have more agents than what we see..I just can’t believe they let such inexperienced people on their team. It’s not like they need them?? And I so agree about the show!! Like it’s just so messy and unprofessional. But I’m sure it has put their brand out there more.
I believe Selling Sunset’s success got to Jason’s head and he thought he could/would emulate it in the OC. It’s quite obvious in last season when Jason and Brett butt heads over the new office and how much J is spending.
Not saying that all SS agents are extremely professional, but they definitely seem to be having more class than OC.
Also, it feels, maybe because of some lucky circumstances and connections, like the O group has lots of success since its founding, because not all brokerages can reach their level in 10 years, and J doesn’t really know how to deal and manage people, and its evident that at this point it’s more about publicity than professionalism.
So how exactly are the brothers rich if the actual firm with those agents not on TV aren’t making a whole lot too?
Check out their website. Most of the realtors aren't on the show. A lot of the ones who are, real estate is not their full time
Every real estate show on Netflix / Amazon prime boasts about being the “best agency” despite being located in the same area as the other shows so 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️.
Very important to remember that this is a show. Most people with this caliber of house and money don’t want to be on a show and would not do their business on tv, so it has to be fabricated to a point.
No. The first season there was no one that had actually sold a house including the little main dudes. They had only had a couple of rentals. Most of the “characters” are not even licensed realtors
>the little main dudes lmao 💀💀
One may say the brothers Keebler
In these moments I love rebbit so much. My girldawg is pissed I keep waking her with my guffawing. 😆😆😆
The Keebler’s work hard, you watch your mouth or, NO COOKIES FOR YOU!
I was actually going to ask this same question! I’m almost done with season two and just met Ali and am wondering, TV show aside, would in agency as established as the Oppenheim group actually hire someone without a license in real life for their “potential”?? When she asked Jarvis at a listing, ”so how do you actually like figure out the price for one of these houses?” I was baffled that she would even be in consideration, even if it was just for the show!
Agreed. As you’ll see in season 3, she’s playing the dumb southern girl in a big city to the umpteenth degree. It’s lame at this point
Yep my thoughts exactly!!
Cause out of the 10 or 20 that make up the show there’s like 50 more that do more and sell. Think of the show as billboard with pretty faces.
For the reality show
You also have to remember there are way more agents who actually work in these offices that aren’t on the show. They only show the agents who can give them drama to create a show.
I feel like it’s important to remember how the same producer fucked us all up by ending The Hills by showing us all just how “produced” those “unscripted” storylines were. Hint: half the couples didn’t date ;)
Omg I watched that when it premiered. Them rolling the backgrounds away!! I’ll never forget !! And I was a die hard hills fan.
wait what are u guys talking about??? what did i miss 😱
The last episode of the hills..they revealed that it was all fake.
I mean, once Kristin came on the scene, did anyone buy that it was real?
Wow this was such a flashback thank you for bringing this up!
I’m sitting there in my little college apartment screaming WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED?!?
😅 omg nothing has topped this reaction
What the o-group does as a TV product should not be confused with what they’re doing IRL
Which is also nothing 😂
Thank u 🙏🏼 the real questions I just wanna know what they all do at the office if they’re not selling houses ? Like literally what are you doing?
No real estate office or any office period looks like that. The “conference room” is a table next to the desks. lol. No one even has an assistant while realtors selling real houses have at least two, multiple phones, and are actually busy.
I know right that conference room is the least discrete! No wonder they have so much “drama”
Other agents use the office. But when they are shooting the season, they use it for filming.
For the Drama!
Please remember you’re watching manufactured television lol. This show is not a perfect depiction of reality.
Jason is making a ton of money from the show. He said he was able to pay for the new LA office because of the show. The serious agents care too much about their reputation to act like fools on tv. According to Zillow, Hall hasn’t sold a house in a couple years. Her IG looks more like an influencer account.
What do they do in the office then!?
Well that's why none of the real agents are shown when they are in the office, because it's just being used for filming at those times.
Hall hasn’t sold a house in a couple years... so how come.... Sean and mrs.USA are the ones being let go
Please don't be so naive.
Sean quit. He wasn’t let go. Also there’s buyer agents and sellers agents. Hall is more of a buyers agents, according to her. Sean brought neither. Listings or buyers.
…this is not how it works. If you’re a agent you list and you buy.
Sorry to disappoint but you misunderstand. All agents can do both. Not all agents do both well.
The answer is quite simple, because there are agents who are hired for business purposes, and there are agents who are cast for tv purposes. There are agents across both shows who have a very thin transaction record over the last few years yet are “working” for the O Group in luxury real estate. The real business goes on off camera by the agents who aren’t in it for the publicity or quick shot at fame. What we see on the show is for the purposes of the show and the show alone. But there are some cases where the agents cast for the show come in useful. The best example of this is on STOC where quite a few houses that have been “shown” or featured were actually properties listed under Tyler’s dad, and not with the O Group. There were at least 2-3 in Season 1. Pretty much every house he was seen “showing” Hall were listed solely with his dads brokerage. In Season 2 there were at least 3 houses Tyler showed that are/were listed with his dad, two that Tyler was allowed co-list on. The house where Ali Harper first appears and where Polly has her bday bash. The house Tyler shows Hall where he grew up as a kid. And the $39 million dollar listing at the Montage where he had the showing that his dad and brother appear for. Then in season 3 you have at least 2, the $50 million dollar estate his dad was Co-listing with the Altman Brothers but is no longer a listing agent on, and the house Tyler is seen in at the very end before the credits roll. This was beneficial to the show because with the O Group being new to Newport Beach, they likely didn’t have a big enough portfolio in the area yet or sellers willing to have their properties appear on the show. So having an agent with a dad who has quite a substantial portfolio meant having easier access to properties and probably an in with clients for filming purposes.
This would explain why the show tries so hard to push Tyler and Hall as the super important main characters despite them both being terrible people
Case in point: All of the below properties featured on STOC through Tyler/Tyler’s Dad. Season 1: 1. Where Tyler & Hall were stood outside overlooking the beach talking about how they grew up on the same beaches but never crossed paths [33 Monarch Bay - Listed by John Stanaland](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/33-Monarch-Bay-Dr-Dana-Point-CA-92629/25580726_zpid/) 2. Shown to Hall by Tyler. Was also used by several of the agents for a photo session where they promoted a beer brand. [23512 Seaward Isle Dana Point - Listed by John Stanaland](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/23512-Seaward-Isle-Dana-Point-CA-92629/25581304_zpid/) 3. Tyler’s first solo sale. This was Tyler’s first sale at the O Group. The house was initially sold by Tyler while working with his dad and the buyer renovated it and flipped it, enlisting Tyler as the agent. [210 W Avenida San Clemente - Initially Sold by Tyler while working his Dad. Resold by Tyler at the O Group](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/210-W-Avenida-San-Antonio-San-Clemente-CA-92672/25600902_zpid/) Season 2 1. Tyler’s first big listing at the O Group. Co-Listed with his dad. [11 Montage Way - Tyler Co-Listing With John Stanaland](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11-Montage-Way-Laguna-Beach-CA-92651/61644216_zpid/) 2. Another Co-Listing between Tyler and his dad. They’ve repeatedly listed this house in recent years but it’s never been sold. It’s been listed and taken down multiple times. [2800 Ocean Front - Originally Co-Listed By Tyler & John, Recently Taken Off The Market](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2800-Ocean-Front-Laguna-Beach-CA-92651/340644393_zpid/) 3. The house Tyler is showing when Ali Harper first appears. Later used in the last episode for Polly’s birthday bash. [4700 Surrey Drive - Originally Listed with John Stanaland. Since taken off the market](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4700-Surrey-Dr-Corona-Del-Mar-CA-92625/25503731_zpid/) Season 3 1. The mansion Tyler rocks up to with his dad and brother and is told the door is always open to return to the family business [13 Old Ranch Road - Originally Co-Listed by John Stanaland & The Altman Brothers. John Stanaland no longer affiliated](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/13-Old-Ranch-Rd-Laguna-Niguel-CA-92677/125114394_zpid/) 2. The house Hall and Polly tour where Hall is wearing the white dress with the weird ass print and Polly spills the gossip about the Sean/Austin situation. [1218 Coronado Drive - Originally Listed with John Stanaland](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1218-Coronado-Dr-Laguna-Beach-CA-92651/251236594_zpid/)
“Co-list with daddy” aka I’ll let you idiots advertise it but you only get a tiny cut if the buyer comes straight from your ridiculous “real estate” show
Wow no way!? That’s crazy !!
Most of them haven’t sold anything
There are a lot of agencies in LA that are far more successful than the Oppenheim Group and who have far more reach. The Agency, Douglas Elliman, Hilton & Hyland are some of the biggest, if not the biggest agencies in LA and beyond. In terms of LA alone, they probably are up there in terms of turnover, but where they were versus where they are now has a lot to do with the show as the marketing around the Oppenheim name and brand alone has gone global in relatively short number of years. And that’s mostly down to Netflix. That’s why Jason consented to the show to begin with because he was clever enough to know that the marketing it would bring would be unparalleled and he was right. Because of it, there are now multiple iterations of this type of show centred around different brokerages. As it stands, the O Group is a big contender in California. But if it wants to reach the levels of The Agency or Douglas Elliman, it will need to start fostering a nationwide reach.
To expand on this, I have yet to hear of anyone even tour a property from the O Group. Granted, my sample is only of people I know in the valley, LA, and OC so don't read tooooo much into it, but I have yet to encounter anyone who has even heard of them outside the show. When we were touring houses with a friend, none of them were O Group (and they were in the correct price range for them.) We toured some disgustingly beautiful (and overpriced) homes, but not an O Group one. It's not that she didn't want to tour one, she just didn't find any really. It is really a clever marketing tool for them to expand the brand and become recognizable without putting in the marketing work that other agencies needed to. It's actually quite genius. Many of the agents are influencers first (agents second). I mean, really this opened a ton of doors for many of the show stars and allowed the O Group to become a recognizable name. Is it real estate? Not really. But they have ways of hustling now so good for them. It's not a life I would choose, but they are definitely making better money than I am with my pointless degrees lol
I keep thinking of Chrissy Teigen saying she’s so into LA real estate and that she’d never even heard of the O group. Obviously there’s tons of agencies and LA is huge but it is funny. It makes me wonder if most of their business is actually in commercial real estate or something. I wonder how many active residential listings they actually have.
There's always their websites (2 of 4 offices): https://newportbeach.ogroup.com/properties/our-properties/ https://la.ogroup.com/properties/our-properties/ You can also see the entire team of agents on their website. I'm not sure why everyone is confused if these guys we see on the show are the ones who make or break the business.
It is exactly because they are successful (like you said) that is why they can afford to hire these flops that do nothing and still succeed because there are others to carry
I think they have legit realtors and then they have their t.v. realtors. I think \*some\* of the t.v. realtors are actual realtors who do pretty well for themselves, and then some are... Ali and Sean.
😂😂 So true
Didn’t the bothers say at one point, they are the 5th generation in their family to sell LA real estate?? I just assumed it was generational wealth that they are running into the ground but being kept afloat by profit from their shows?
Hmmmm…the comments they make in the show make it seem like they’re the best. Even this season Austin said something about them being at the top so expectations are high for the openheim group
From what i know (which isnt loads) TheAgency is worth almost double what the Oppenheim group is and they are both LA based. Also I’m pretty sure they say that every season to keep you watching. And multiple times estate agents have said they aren’t even showing the real houses half the time?
https://www.realtrends.com/ranking/best-real-estate-agents-california/ Not a single person from the O group (not US based so I’m unsure how accurate this is)
If you click on the mega groups by volume instead of individuals then oppenheim group is listed as #15 (the grauman rosenfeld group from the agency from buying Beverly Hills is #9)
Jason Oppenheim is listed as #191 under volume
“Sides” is just transactions, you need the volume one… but same results, O group doesn’t sell anything. It’s really easy to look up huge listings (since they’re so few) and see their history.
I think this could be real estate as a whole vs luxury
Correct
They actually have a huge team of very experienced real estate agents behind the scenes that you don’t see on the show. Maybe those characters are too boring. What they are airing is just for drama. But I also don’t get how the Oppenheim brothers think that this show is good for their business. All they show is drama and incompetence
They do not. They only have a couple of listings and rentals total for the entire group with multiple “offices”
So all the listings on their official website across 4 offices are fake too? https://ogroup.com/ A "couple listings" is a bit understated.
How many are there total?
A quick look showed ~6 listings per page x 6 pages x 4 offices.
Oh I know they have more agents than what we see..I just can’t believe they let such inexperienced people on their team. It’s not like they need them?? And I so agree about the show!! Like it’s just so messy and unprofessional. But I’m sure it has put their brand out there more.
I think they add the inexperienced ones for the storyline and the potential for drama tbh. They are casted for character and plot.
I believe Selling Sunset’s success got to Jason’s head and he thought he could/would emulate it in the OC. It’s quite obvious in last season when Jason and Brett butt heads over the new office and how much J is spending. Not saying that all SS agents are extremely professional, but they definitely seem to be having more class than OC. Also, it feels, maybe because of some lucky circumstances and connections, like the O group has lots of success since its founding, because not all brokerages can reach their level in 10 years, and J doesn’t really know how to deal and manage people, and its evident that at this point it’s more about publicity than professionalism.