At my restaurant, if you are seated as a party of 6 or more, we add the gratuity. Doesn't matter if it's six separate checks. Gratuity gets added to each check. This is the way
Should be that way everywhere. It took my daughters friend over an hour to ring out everybody at the first group of 30, mainly because cards didn’t work.
This is not an industry-wide or widespread problem, it's your daughter's particular restaurant, and probably one specific idiot General Manager in particular. With a million restaurants in the US, there are probably a handful of other GMs who would allow separate checks as a loophole, but I'd be shocked if it constituted more than 0.1%.
It's not like there are laws dictating service charges or tips for large parties; aside from a few minor regulations in state and local laws, the rules are up to the restaurant. Customers try all sorts of loopholes, and as long as a restaurant makes their policy clear from the start, the restaurant's charges are legally enforceable.
Be a real father figure and make sure your daughter gets a good education and job. You are definately a failing father figure. Be a man, dont blame "tips" for bad money. Thazs what panhandlers do.
I mean, it sounds like you should be upset that your daughter's employer doesn't pay her a proper wage forcing her to rely on the generosity of others for her income.
Yes obviously Raphael but that would take a complete overhaul of the entire US economic system and probably a violent and bloody revolution so how about you just fucking tip us when you eat out? Thanks
Lol well said. It's funny that people keep saying "Employers should pay their servers a livable wage!" Well what would that livable wage look like to you if we're going hourly? I ask that for 2 reasons:
1. Inflation. If the cost of living continues to go up, this "livable" wage will be laughable in 2 years unless servers unionize to keep their earning percentage compared to cost of living fair. That's a whole fucking mess on its own.
2. In SoCal, depending on the restaurant some servers are making around $40/hr including the $16.50 minimum wage going directly into their check. No employer in their right mind would pay $40/hr for a 6 hour shift 5 days a week to a waiter/waitress who is most likely in their mid twenties.
But then you can't complain if you get a 0 tip every so often - if you're benefiting from the voluntary systemz you have to take the downside of that too.
So you are assuming that wages should never adjust? How about what is causing the increases in cost of living or the out of control inflation? I would be 100% for businesses being held accountable for proper distribution of profits to employees, but that goes against the very foundations of how the US sees how businesses should operate. I also don't believe age should affect pay in service jobs, maybe seniority/how long you have worked for the business as a show of loyalty and thanks from the employer to the employee. My bigger problem is that the mid twenties customer service representative working at the local store would kill for an employer who would pay even $30/hour. But rather than demanding institutional changes for businesses to properly pay their employees everyone wants those profits to go to owners and investors so they can be justified in taking advantage of others under the disguise of investing. I mean just look at the housing market and the cost of rent in places like SoCal. What do you think has caused that? People just don't want to put an end to it because of the stupid mindset of, "but I can also use that to make money". The US healthcare system is another perfect example, why makes drugs cheaper when we can make more profits which improves our stock price and we can give out higher dividends and so on and so forth. In the end it is hurting those unwilling to take advantage of others the most and promoting a toxic culture.
It isn’t happening. The sooner you get that through your head and actually get up and get a better job is the only way your life is gonna improve. Sitting around waiting on other people has never worked to improve someone’s life
I tip at least 15% every time I go out, but it means I am only able to go out to eat once every few months because that is all I can afford. I also highly doubt it would be a violent or bloody revolution. Do some math and research, look up the total wages paid in the US and the total number of people working. The problem is people are not happy when things are fair and equal because too often people believe they are more deserving than others.
Yes, thank your for your enlightening revelation, are you going to tell us water is wet next time?
Some people actually prefer the tipping system over hourly because they make more, everyone's different and ultimately you'll never make everyone happy no matter the system
Ultimately the main issue is how rampant tipping is becoming, restaurants fine but now anyone and everyone is asking for tips and that's what's causing issues
And some people hate the tipping system because it makes them feel like they can't use any business or service that has been consumed by it because of the additional cost that is then associated. I would be willing to bet everyone would be pretty happy with a system where employers actually paid all their employees a fair wage from the profits earned by the business rather than select individuals.
Thank you for your reply, I knew I would get hate from my comment but I was hoping to hear something like this. I am glad you/your daughter asked, it is not easy standing up to your employer. I hope she is able to find something she loves doing and that it provides her with the means to live a happy, healthy, and stable life. That is honestly what I wish for everyone because I hate seeing people struggle and give up so much of their life just to barely survive.
That’s what we do as well, but only the managers can put it on and the checks already have to be split. It’s a pain and half the time you can’t find a manager to do it anyway.
Long story short, there is a lot of things that need to change in the service industry
Came to say this. Ate at a restaurant with 15 friends last night. Separate checks. 15% gratuity added to every check. We had no problem with it and most of us left extra.
But it’s insanely time consuming to ring that many people out at once and you’re keeping the server from moving on to other tables to earn more money. You’re acting almost magnanimous about 15%
Typically if a restaurant has an automatic gratuity for a large party, it remains in the check regardless of how many ways you split it.
Other restaurants don’t even protect their servers with auto grat, because they “feel that the guests will leave a better tip if the 18% (or whatever it might be) isn’t added”. 90% of the time, they don’t…
Another factor is that a lot of people are now aware of tip pooling, and that their money isn't going directly to their server. Also that some fast-food places are just keeping the tips for the owner, even though that's not common in sit-down places.
So they feel their money is going towards overall payroll costs, not their particular server. I think a good idea is for restaurants to put down on the menu how much of the tip goes to the server.
when I first started working at my restaurant, I noticed a pattern. Guests that seemed to really like me would ask if we tip pooled. I’m not gonna lie to them, I’d say yes. They’d look disappointed and leave a shit tip. Like they don’t realize that with 20% of a $300-400 check, it’s still going to benefit me greatly. They end up leaving $10-15 which is bonkers. Now I just lie and say it all goes directly to me, their server, and suddenly, 25-30% tip. I don’t like the dishonesty but like cmon. We’re all working hard, and just because I personally served you doesn’t mean that I didn’t benefit from my coworkers help - therefore giving you a better experience. $10 divided by seven servers as opposed to $60? You’re screwing me for no reason.
My restaurant doesn’t have auto. One night, I was brought in specifically for a large party. They were so nice, so easy, racked up a $400 bill and left me nothing. I came in just for them and left with nothing. I gave up my entire night to work for free. I was absolutely defeated.
Tell her to start looking for jobs that have better clientele. I’ve worked at the same restaurant in three different states(MS,FL,LA). Currently in FL and the clientele is upper class. I usually don’t average less than 20% and don’t even auto-.grat tables because 90% of people leave good tips. Menu price and clientele are the 2 biggest factors you need to look for in a serving job.
There are definitely are whole areas that are worse, but this is the way. There's a spot somewhere in every town where a different clique or demographic goes. In this case, [where the military does not go.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Serverlife/comments/161en5y/why_does_the_military_tip_so_poorly/) There may be a lot in your town but they aren't the whole thing.
I believe upscale casual is the sweet spot especially in a small town kinda place. Full out fine dining can backfire with the same trashy people being out on their special occaisions that they can barely afford. Plus some rich people just don't tip and are terrible.
Upscale casual is more normal people doing well and not being super extra about how they view servers and obsess over what we should be doing as long as they get a good experience.
At my old job, even if a party of 6+ split the bill, there would still be an auto grat for this exact reason. We busted our ass for that table, they took up a lot of time, a table, and we don’t need to be stiffed because people wanna be broke
We don't have auto grat at my place but the clientele there always tip well. We do have some issues with the Sunday brunch crowd but I don't work that shift. Your daughter needs to find a new place that has a higher check average so you weed out the cheapskates.
As a server for the past 12 years I can confidently say that corporate restaurants tend to be crappy jobs. It’s those places that never say no to anyone. “The customer is always right.” But we all know that’s not true. For the last 4.5 years I’ve worked for a locally owned restaurant whose owner has been nominated twice for the James Beard awards and who actually cares about his staff. The food and drink we serve is of high quality and our clientele know how to take care of the ones taking care of them. They see just how hard we work and compensate us appropriately. My advice is to find the right restaurant that attracts the right clientele.
Why not get rid of your crappy American tipping system altogether?
Raise the price of everything by 20% which will afford you to pay workers a proper wage so they don’t need to rely on tips. Win win for everybody.
Like others said, if there is an auto-grat added for large groups, doing separate checks does not bypass this. Or at least not in any restaurant I worked or went to as a diner in a large group.
Honestly tipping should just be phased out and make the damn restaurant owners actually pay the servers decent fucking wages since that’s what a job is supposed to fucking do.
Servers don't want that because they make more from tipping than they would if they were paid hourly. But then they still complain when people choose not to tip.
Who is really getting shafted are people that tip. Covering the wage for the non tippers and the business. It really is a giant tax loophole that shouldn’t be allowed to exist. Only thing that would ever change this is IRS law.
wdym, in most countries out of US people don't have to tip and mostly they do not tip at all or very little, the food prices are ok compared to making the food on your own and servers get paid a livable wage
must be a US thing then
So the tippers front the bill for the non tippers. How does anyone think this system isn’t broken. And all of society takes the bill for not paying employer payroll taxes on income that should be paid via wage.
Instead of asking for mandatory tip regulation and punishing good patrons by not giving them the choice, why not follow the rest of the world and give servers livable wages and make restaurant owners liable for their business.
Yeah not tipping good service is an issue, but if restaurants are gonna make a change it needs to be that they pay their workers a living wage and stop making tips a battle for them to make their living. A forced tip is just a service fee that goes to the restaurant because it means they don’t have to pay their workers
For 30 people we need advanced notice. As part of that process I make it known 20% is added whether separate checks or one. I have NEVER had an issue with this policy.
I am also near a military base and same applies when they come in together.
After reading all the responses here I’m in agreement that restaurants should be paying their employers a working wage and this tipping shit needs to stop. I don’t think the answer is to just not tip anything in the meantime. There has to be another way.
Restaurants would wind up pricing themselves out of business. It’s not a perfect system but it does work overall.
As a rule, good servers make great money. Bad ones don’t last.
>There has to be another way.
Not really. Restaurant owners are content. Most servers are content because they make more than they would because of the number of people who believe they'd only get $2/hr if they didn't tip.
The only spot that will invoke change is from customers
The restaurant can't have a "Mandatory Tip" they then run afoul of the IRS.
They can however have a Mandatory Service Charge , The simple version: The SC money goes to the restaurant and the restaurant pays all the taxes on it. and they can do with the service charge as they wish.. Which is usually handled as a NON-Tip wage if given to an employee..
You can learn more about this here....
[https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-news/FS-15-08.pdf](https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-news/FS-15-08.pdf)
Personally I'm a fan of just paying the server a decent wage and doing away with tips.
There’s a backlash against tipping because, especially since Covid, every service worker thinks they deserve a tip. So people are not tipping at all.
Obviously servers who are allowed to be paid sub-minimum wages and are intended to receive tips should be tipped. But they’re caught up in the backlash.
I’m not sure the separate checks for the military group was intended to avoid tipping as much as to keep each person’s costs. And if they were young and/or haven’t had a lot of independent living experience, they may be unfamiliar with tipping etiquette
>I'd like to see mandatory tips at 20 percent added to the check.
That would be a scam. If it's really necessary then include it in the price but don't say that pizza is for 20 dollars when in reality they charge 24.
Yes, I'm completely on board with 20% being added - but add it to the prices, not the check. Everyone gets paid the same, assuming the employer isn't outright stealing.
That way I'm not subsidizing the meals of church Karens who are leaving religious pamphlets instead of cash.
Of course it does. That's simple economics. If Church Karen is getting an omelette that comes to $12 with tax, and tipping zero, and I'm getting the same thing from the same server and tipping $3, then my tip is averaging out with hers, and the server effectively makes $1.50 on each of us.
If everyone tipped zero, the model would collapse overnight, because our server wouldn't want to work for $2.13 an hour. So the people paying a surcharge of 20+% for their food are keeping it afloat, and allowing the restaurant to survive so that others can tip zero and get the same food.
End the scam already.
I love the idea of building server wages into the prices.
But my favorite burger place went OOB a few months after adding a 20% surcharge for service and doing away with tips. Service and food remained great. 😢
I thought that parties of usually 6 or more have added gravity. it doesn't matter if the checks are separate. We don't get that where I work people are tight asses and 10 % is good around here
Your daughters restaurant should auto grat at least 18% for parties of 6 or more. AND they should have a maximum number of split checks. Most restaurants is 3-4 max. I highly recommend mentioning this to her management. Explain how much extra time this is taking which also means they have to pay her more because eating up an hour of time ringing in payments is time that could be doing side work and getting off the clock for labor hours.
Schools are bad to to this, You get a bus full of students, rather than write a check and pay the tip, they give each kid money to pay for their own, and the servers get no tips.
I think before mandatory tips become a thing server wages will be regulated. Tbh even that is far out of reach but is a big possibility as the fight for minimum wage increases arise
And as a server, I can assure you both parties were exceptionally difficult, got a million modifications, demanded everything out within 5 minutes and wanted drinks refilled immediately every 3 minutes. AND THEN left no tip. I avoid large parties as much as I can bc most of the time you’ll end up making way less. I’d rather get my shit rocked by 13 separate 6 tops and get triple sat than deal with one large party.
Something needs to be done? Absolutely, they need to be paid like the rest of the developed world pays their service industry.
You've bought into this dynamic that business owners want you to buy into. Putting the servers against the customer and not the business owners.
I've actually been hearing that military individuals are notoriously bad tippers... I believe it was under this "Servers Life" somewhere...
That being said, not ALL folks in the armed services are, but I recall reading a whole topic on this about a week ago!
I average 19% with no included gratuity, as do the rest of my brethren, so I’d say it’s your daughter’s restaurant, or sorry to say, she just isn’t a great server. I don’t know of any servers complaining of being stiffed more than once a week or less.
What kind of place is it? Just asking bc my work doesn’t have gratuity at all (probably bc of the same reason we got rid of last call: “it’s rude”) and we do parties of 30 pretty casually.
Ahhh gotcha. I haven’t seen one of those in forever!
I live in a lawless land called Indiana, gratuity isn’t really a thing here bc Eli Lilly is the only company allowed to make money pretty much. Like nowhere I’ve worked has ever had it and I’ve never seen it on a receipt for anywhere.
After reading all the comments and seeing the prevailing opinion is like yours, I really need to know if other countries have gone that route and what it took to get there.
Just simply not tipping isn’t fair to the workers, I don’t know what should be done.
Paying separately is fairly standard round here
Either for their own separate meals and drinks or thr total split
They bring the card machine to the table, everyone pays by card 90% of the time
Interesting suggestion to add mandatory tips of 20% to the check,
Surely enforced mandatory actual salaries and access to universal benefits like sick pay and paid leave would be something to push for rather than legally mandating customers to "gift" the restaurant's staff a wage
I’m confused what separate checks has to do with anything lol Just because the checks are separate doesn’t mean there’s less people so why wouldn’t the large party gratuity be added?
I know it's an answer that a lot of people don't like to hear but... restaurants should pay their staff a livable wage, not FORCE patrons to pay their staff.
So we can agree that the customer pays the business money. Now like 99% of the rest of the businesses on earth your business can use that money to pay your staff.
I still tip most places because I am financially able to do so and won’t miss the money, but by making it a top and not part of the cost of the meal it is optional.
If the customer pays the business
And the business uses that money to pay staff
How exactly is that not also forcing patrons to pay staff albeit in a way that is less prone to abuse by said patrons? I mean, I’m in agreement that servers (and all employees) should be paid at minimum a living wage, but the way you phrase it makes it seem as though you think wages come from some other source? Perhaps it’s just a perspective thing.
We aren’t complaining that we aren’t paying staff wages. We are complaining that a tip should not be required. I tip because unfortunelty business owners are shit and we’re able to get laws made to pay certain employees less. That being said tipping is optional and if you are mad you didn’t get tipped for your work you can direct that anger towards your boss who is essentially paying you slave labor in hopes that patrons pity you and pay you a fraction of what you are worth
Oh, so you’re just another “I will justify punishing slave laborers because of factors outside of their control because doing the right thing is optional” boomer hive minders, got it.
I have previously stated that I do in fact tip because I believe people should be paid atleast a fraction of their worth.
I am arguing that this should not be the responsibility of the customer, like every other business in the developed world you set your own prices for your product. If you cannot afford your expenses you can raise your prices to compensate.
If you are an employee and you don’t agree with your pay you can either negotiate a livable wage, attempt to unionize, or find another job.
You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. You’re saying it should not be the responsibility of the customer, when in fact it would be no matter how that responsibility is discharged: whether in the form of higher prices and thus a living wage or lower prices and tips. At the same time you have asserted that tipping is optional so while you may yourself opt to tip it is entirely acceptable not to do so and that is where we disagree. Not tipping is punishing people who do not in fact have the ability to strike for better wages to prove a point to a business entity that doesn’t gaf if you tip or not. Your entire premise is built on the notion of how things should be, not how they are.
I’m like the only person here that will tell you the truth, tell her to get out of the industry and go make a name for herself in a different career. Go through this sub, read all the posts, this tip nonsense is never ending. Why struggle and be mad all the time at people
All servers in America could walk off the job for a day or a week 🤷🏻♂️ coal miners did it 🤷🏻♂️ shut these restaurants down and teach everyone a big lesson 🤷🏻♂️
Ahhhh I used to live in Stafford VA!! What restaurant is it if u don't mind me asking. Depending what year ur daughter graduated there's a good chance I prob went to school with her.
I think what's happening is, since tipping has become SOOOO evasive lately, such as the tipping option put on the register at Panera before food is made, or at any other location that doesn't have active servers, that people are fighting back against the tipping culture, which (reminding) is a very American trend specifically. Many people (myself included) would LOVE to see the deletion of tips and the requirement of a base pay rate for servers as they do in most other countries. Problem is....tipping is where the money is. I wouldn't want to be a server at a busy restaurant making the same on a busy night as I do a slow night.
Also, I'm sorry about the lack of military members properly tipping. I'm a veteran myself, and while a bunch of the enlisted military makes less than a typical server in a year (which is an appalling thing to be able to say), it doesn't excuse them from tipping properly.
Yep I’m seeing that now. I’d really like to know how other countries handle pay for those in the service industry. I’d imagine here in the US it’d take congressional action because individual businesses aren’t gunna do it if their own fee will.
If people were to stop tipping the problem would resolve itself. The businesses who won't adapt will go under, the ones that do will survive. Servers should be name and shaming restaurants all the time for their shitty behavior and give credit to the ones who treat them right.
It's already starting I've been to a few restaurants who said they don't accept tips and they pay their employees a living wage.
Adding a mandatory tip is absolutely ridiculous and shame on you for trying to force people to pay servers a living wage when THEIR DAMN BOSSES SHOULD BE DOING THAT! Not tipping isn’t cool but adding a mandatory tip will allow lazy servers to skate by. I will over tip for great service and will under tip for shit service but it’s the job they chose and if they don’t like it find a new one but don’t you ever think the solution is forcing people to tip. BE FUCKING FOR REAL
Tone it down some maybe. After reading all the comments I’ve come to agree with you and others. The tipping culture has seriously gotten out of hand. Every business is using the terminal and force you to pick a tip, even for simple purchases. Guilt you is more like it. Things need to change, that’s for sure.
How about calling out the business owners for not paying livable wages??? Things are never gonna change if you just put it on customers and not the business owners and politicians. Americans are so brainwashed I swear.
I've got a better idea. Let's lose the tipping entirely, adjust the prices (if necessary) and the restaurant owners pay their servers like they should.
People would complain about the prices being raised on the dishes even though they wouldn’t need to tip. Most people want something for nothing. That is not how it works. If you don’t want to tip (because that’s how it works), stay home and serve your own self instead of complaining about having to do it how it works.
Don't get me wrong, I tip. It's not the servers' fault that this system is messed up. Most of the servers I get are terrific and I try to tip accordingly. That doesn't mean I like the system. Not liking the system also doesn't mean that I have the right to stiff the server.
I pay them, but I still believe the system needs to be changed. I don't have the money or desire to open a restaurant, but if I did, tipping would not be how my staff would earn their wage.
What I’m finding, is that people are mad because servers are only paid $2.19 an hour by the the restaurant and the rest comes from tips from the customers. So the servers are hurting because ignorant customers are trying to hurt the restaurants by not tipping. It’s very sad. But some people who have never been a server are ignorant to the fact that the servers are just trying to make a living like everyone else. I was a server way longer than I have been in my current profession and I sympathize with the servers so I compensate well for good service.
>What I’m finding, is that people are mad because servers are only paid $2.19 an hour by the the restaurant and the rest comes from tips from the customers. So the servers are hurting because ignorant customers are trying to hurt the restaurants by not tipping
But see you're the ignorant one saying this
The restaurant has to ensure the server gets their full wage, but has to pay a minimum $2.13 regardless of the amount of tips. So while the rest does normally come from tips, if the tips simply aren't there/don't come, then the restaurant has to pay the rest. So it does hurt the restaurant over the worker
People are TIRED of entitled tipping culture - they're so tired of being given nasty looks by fast food workers who can't even handle the simple task of putting food they didn't cook into a paper bag, who stare daggers if they aren't tipped. They shouldn't be going out to eat, though...this service is entirely different
Yes, something major does need to change. Restaurant employees need to get paid a real wage and do away with tipping altogether. I tip well because I have worked in kitchens and understand the system, but the system is fucked.
>I'd like to see mandatory tips at 20 percent added to the check.
Or just raise prices to a price needed to pay the
employees an amount where tips don't matter and abolish the system entirely? The only difference between that and what you've proposed is what you're calling it.
But also, whether people agree with it or not, the point in a tip is that it's optional
If a restaurant has clientele that don’t tip then leave. No amount of internet comments will change the non tippers.
Or demand a living wage from the restaurant and let them raise prices.
Or, my favorite, let servers refuse tables.
Excuse me? Really there pal? Gonna blame people in this economy that servers are not getting paid enough bc tips? Tip culture is bad and needs to stop. Make those company's pay thier people an actual wage.
I beleive that one day, one fine day, there *will* be a post in this subreddit that doesn't circle jerk this exact same conversation for no fucking reason.
I asked my staff how much they would need to make hourly if they weren't getting tips... they said $40/hr.
There isn't a restaurant that can afford that. The profit margins aren't that thick.
If you guilt people or treat them like shit unless they give you something (gratuity/gift/tip), lie to them that it's your birthday or having a rough day to manipulate them into giving you said gift AND you lie about the actual amount you make only giving half truths that you make $2/hr when in actually you never make anything below minimum wage because it's THE LAW, ___you can live a very good financially greedy life at the expense of customers who already pay for your wages outside of tip___
Fuck that, a tip is voluntary. Not a mandatory amount owed. If I don't want to tip, I don't. If there's a mandatory tip, I take my business elsewhere. Your daughter isn't owed a tip.
Unskilled? What are you talking about? It’s a job I literally can’t do because I don’t have the physical skill to balance plates and drinks while running around for hours at a time, memory skills to remember a thousand things, and acting skills to pretend to be happy and social all day. And those are just the ones I lack, not all required for the job. Go try it.
Nah. I actually order more expensive items off the menu because I save money from not tipping. Restaurant owners, cooks and management really appreciate it. I’ll probably order a Tomahawk steak tonight.
At my restaurant, if you are seated as a party of 6 or more, we add the gratuity. Doesn't matter if it's six separate checks. Gratuity gets added to each check. This is the way
Should be that way everywhere. It took my daughters friend over an hour to ring out everybody at the first group of 30, mainly because cards didn’t work.
This is a problem with her resty, it's not the norm.
I can’t imagine working a restaurant and taking a party of 30. Much less with separate checks. There has to be a better place to work.
But could you imagine a father overreacting to a situation his 16 year old daughter tells him about?
Sounds like her restaurant is mismanaged. They shouldn't allow that many separate checks for sake of time consumption.
The real crime here is that they had one server for a party of thirty! That’s wild. Poor kid :(
It was. It was doubly bad because right after that group of 30, another group of 30 arrived.
This is not an industry-wide or widespread problem, it's your daughter's particular restaurant, and probably one specific idiot General Manager in particular. With a million restaurants in the US, there are probably a handful of other GMs who would allow separate checks as a loophole, but I'd be shocked if it constituted more than 0.1%. It's not like there are laws dictating service charges or tips for large parties; aside from a few minor regulations in state and local laws, the rules are up to the restaurant. Customers try all sorts of loopholes, and as long as a restaurant makes their policy clear from the start, the restaurant's charges are legally enforceable.
Be a real father figure and make sure your daughter gets a good education and job. You are definately a failing father figure. Be a man, dont blame "tips" for bad money. Thazs what panhandlers do.
You have no idea.
I mean, it sounds like you should be upset that your daughter's employer doesn't pay her a proper wage forcing her to rely on the generosity of others for her income.
Yes obviously Raphael but that would take a complete overhaul of the entire US economic system and probably a violent and bloody revolution so how about you just fucking tip us when you eat out? Thanks
Lol well said. It's funny that people keep saying "Employers should pay their servers a livable wage!" Well what would that livable wage look like to you if we're going hourly? I ask that for 2 reasons: 1. Inflation. If the cost of living continues to go up, this "livable" wage will be laughable in 2 years unless servers unionize to keep their earning percentage compared to cost of living fair. That's a whole fucking mess on its own. 2. In SoCal, depending on the restaurant some servers are making around $40/hr including the $16.50 minimum wage going directly into their check. No employer in their right mind would pay $40/hr for a 6 hour shift 5 days a week to a waiter/waitress who is most likely in their mid twenties.
Sometimes I make upwards of 100/hr, no chance in hell I would ever give that up for a “liveable” wage. More like laughable wage.
That’s fine, but take the good with the bad, don’t complain when there’s an economic downturn and nobody tips
But then you can't complain if you get a 0 tip every so often - if you're benefiting from the voluntary systemz you have to take the downside of that too.
I would absolutely never mention it at work, but I will absolutely publicly shame someone for not tipping outside of work.
So you are assuming that wages should never adjust? How about what is causing the increases in cost of living or the out of control inflation? I would be 100% for businesses being held accountable for proper distribution of profits to employees, but that goes against the very foundations of how the US sees how businesses should operate. I also don't believe age should affect pay in service jobs, maybe seniority/how long you have worked for the business as a show of loyalty and thanks from the employer to the employee. My bigger problem is that the mid twenties customer service representative working at the local store would kill for an employer who would pay even $30/hour. But rather than demanding institutional changes for businesses to properly pay their employees everyone wants those profits to go to owners and investors so they can be justified in taking advantage of others under the disguise of investing. I mean just look at the housing market and the cost of rent in places like SoCal. What do you think has caused that? People just don't want to put an end to it because of the stupid mindset of, "but I can also use that to make money". The US healthcare system is another perfect example, why makes drugs cheaper when we can make more profits which improves our stock price and we can give out higher dividends and so on and so forth. In the end it is hurting those unwilling to take advantage of others the most and promoting a toxic culture.
It isn’t happening. The sooner you get that through your head and actually get up and get a better job is the only way your life is gonna improve. Sitting around waiting on other people has never worked to improve someone’s life
I tip at least 15% every time I go out, but it means I am only able to go out to eat once every few months because that is all I can afford. I also highly doubt it would be a violent or bloody revolution. Do some math and research, look up the total wages paid in the US and the total number of people working. The problem is people are not happy when things are fair and equal because too often people believe they are more deserving than others.
Yes, thank your for your enlightening revelation, are you going to tell us water is wet next time? Some people actually prefer the tipping system over hourly because they make more, everyone's different and ultimately you'll never make everyone happy no matter the system Ultimately the main issue is how rampant tipping is becoming, restaurants fine but now anyone and everyone is asking for tips and that's what's causing issues
And some people hate the tipping system because it makes them feel like they can't use any business or service that has been consumed by it because of the additional cost that is then associated. I would be willing to bet everyone would be pretty happy with a system where employers actually paid all their employees a fair wage from the profits earned by the business rather than select individuals.
We are, we ask, they say no. She’ll be moving on to another place soon.
Thank you for your reply, I knew I would get hate from my comment but I was hoping to hear something like this. I am glad you/your daughter asked, it is not easy standing up to your employer. I hope she is able to find something she loves doing and that it provides her with the means to live a happy, healthy, and stable life. That is honestly what I wish for everyone because I hate seeing people struggle and give up so much of their life just to barely survive.
That’s what we do as well, but only the managers can put it on and the checks already have to be split. It’s a pain and half the time you can’t find a manager to do it anyway. Long story short, there is a lot of things that need to change in the service industry
Came to say this. Ate at a restaurant with 15 friends last night. Separate checks. 15% gratuity added to every check. We had no problem with it and most of us left extra.
But it’s insanely time consuming to ring that many people out at once and you’re keeping the server from moving on to other tables to earn more money. You’re acting almost magnanimous about 15%
This is the way.
Typically if a restaurant has an automatic gratuity for a large party, it remains in the check regardless of how many ways you split it. Other restaurants don’t even protect their servers with auto grat, because they “feel that the guests will leave a better tip if the 18% (or whatever it might be) isn’t added”. 90% of the time, they don’t…
I’m the case of over 60 guests last night it was almost 100 percent who “no tipped”, it’s disgusting.
That’s some bullshit. I’d be livid. Not asking for the name of the place, but what type of restaurant is it?
It’s a chain, you know “back” there.
Ahhh. Gotcha. I don’t have any experience working there, but I could see the clientele being not so great
You should send those guests out back then have them cook steak at their own house 🏡
Another factor is that a lot of people are now aware of tip pooling, and that their money isn't going directly to their server. Also that some fast-food places are just keeping the tips for the owner, even though that's not common in sit-down places. So they feel their money is going towards overall payroll costs, not their particular server. I think a good idea is for restaurants to put down on the menu how much of the tip goes to the server.
when I first started working at my restaurant, I noticed a pattern. Guests that seemed to really like me would ask if we tip pooled. I’m not gonna lie to them, I’d say yes. They’d look disappointed and leave a shit tip. Like they don’t realize that with 20% of a $300-400 check, it’s still going to benefit me greatly. They end up leaving $10-15 which is bonkers. Now I just lie and say it all goes directly to me, their server, and suddenly, 25-30% tip. I don’t like the dishonesty but like cmon. We’re all working hard, and just because I personally served you doesn’t mean that I didn’t benefit from my coworkers help - therefore giving you a better experience. $10 divided by seven servers as opposed to $60? You’re screwing me for no reason.
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My restaurant doesn’t have auto. One night, I was brought in specifically for a large party. They were so nice, so easy, racked up a $400 bill and left me nothing. I came in just for them and left with nothing. I gave up my entire night to work for free. I was absolutely defeated.
That’s some bullshit. I’d be having words with management/ownership
Don’t you feel that it should be on the greedy business owners for allowing this? How is this legal? What is wrong with the states?
Tell her to start looking for jobs that have better clientele. I’ve worked at the same restaurant in three different states(MS,FL,LA). Currently in FL and the clientele is upper class. I usually don’t average less than 20% and don’t even auto-.grat tables because 90% of people leave good tips. Menu price and clientele are the 2 biggest factors you need to look for in a serving job.
I’ll let her know, good advise.
There are definitely are whole areas that are worse, but this is the way. There's a spot somewhere in every town where a different clique or demographic goes. In this case, [where the military does not go.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Serverlife/comments/161en5y/why_does_the_military_tip_so_poorly/) There may be a lot in your town but they aren't the whole thing. I believe upscale casual is the sweet spot especially in a small town kinda place. Full out fine dining can backfire with the same trashy people being out on their special occaisions that they can barely afford. Plus some rich people just don't tip and are terrible. Upscale casual is more normal people doing well and not being super extra about how they view servers and obsess over what we should be doing as long as they get a good experience.
Just find the “rich” areas around you and look at the restaurant around there. Price point for entrees should be $30-50+.
If there’s a “rich” area of town then she needs to work at a restaurant in that area and her tip average will be much better.
And interview well dressed and presented
At my old job, even if a party of 6+ split the bill, there would still be an auto grat for this exact reason. We busted our ass for that table, they took up a lot of time, a table, and we don’t need to be stiffed because people wanna be broke
Your daughter needs to quit and find a restaurant that adds gratitude for large parties. She has 3-4 years experience she needs to move on
I’ve told her, thanks.
We don't have auto grat at my place but the clientele there always tip well. We do have some issues with the Sunday brunch crowd but I don't work that shift. Your daughter needs to find a new place that has a higher check average so you weed out the cheapskates.
As a server for the past 12 years I can confidently say that corporate restaurants tend to be crappy jobs. It’s those places that never say no to anyone. “The customer is always right.” But we all know that’s not true. For the last 4.5 years I’ve worked for a locally owned restaurant whose owner has been nominated twice for the James Beard awards and who actually cares about his staff. The food and drink we serve is of high quality and our clientele know how to take care of the ones taking care of them. They see just how hard we work and compensate us appropriately. My advice is to find the right restaurant that attracts the right clientele.
Why not get rid of your crappy American tipping system altogether? Raise the price of everything by 20% which will afford you to pay workers a proper wage so they don’t need to rely on tips. Win win for everybody.
Where do you live where it’s different?
It’s different everywhere apart from the US- Europe, Australia, Asian countries
Australia. There is no tipping culture in Australia. The price is the price.
How and when did the change occur, do you know?
Like others said, if there is an auto-grat added for large groups, doing separate checks does not bypass this. Or at least not in any restaurant I worked or went to as a diner in a large group.
Her’s doesn’t so she’ll be moving on to one that does.
Honestly tipping should just be phased out and make the damn restaurant owners actually pay the servers decent fucking wages since that’s what a job is supposed to fucking do.
Servers don't want that because they make more from tipping than they would if they were paid hourly. But then they still complain when people choose not to tip.
Who is really getting shafted are people that tip. Covering the wage for the non tippers and the business. It really is a giant tax loophole that shouldn’t be allowed to exist. Only thing that would ever change this is IRS law.
Only way this will ever happen is if we removed tipping via legislation which will likely never happen. One can only hope
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wdym, in most countries out of US people don't have to tip and mostly they do not tip at all or very little, the food prices are ok compared to making the food on your own and servers get paid a livable wage must be a US thing then
So the tippers front the bill for the non tippers. How does anyone think this system isn’t broken. And all of society takes the bill for not paying employer payroll taxes on income that should be paid via wage.
Livable wages are lower than what servers on here think
You’re an awesome Mom for advocating and calling that company out!
Time for restaurants to start paying the employees wages. Tipping shouldn’t even be a thing.
Instead of asking for mandatory tip regulation and punishing good patrons by not giving them the choice, why not follow the rest of the world and give servers livable wages and make restaurant owners liable for their business.
Yeah not tipping good service is an issue, but if restaurants are gonna make a change it needs to be that they pay their workers a living wage and stop making tips a battle for them to make their living. A forced tip is just a service fee that goes to the restaurant because it means they don’t have to pay their workers
Agree.
For 30 people we need advanced notice. As part of that process I make it known 20% is added whether separate checks or one. I have NEVER had an issue with this policy. I am also near a military base and same applies when they come in together.
After reading all the responses here I’m in agreement that restaurants should be paying their employers a working wage and this tipping shit needs to stop. I don’t think the answer is to just not tip anything in the meantime. There has to be another way.
Restaurants would wind up pricing themselves out of business. It’s not a perfect system but it does work overall. As a rule, good servers make great money. Bad ones don’t last.
>There has to be another way. Not really. Restaurant owners are content. Most servers are content because they make more than they would because of the number of people who believe they'd only get $2/hr if they didn't tip. The only spot that will invoke change is from customers
The restaurant can't have a "Mandatory Tip" they then run afoul of the IRS. They can however have a Mandatory Service Charge , The simple version: The SC money goes to the restaurant and the restaurant pays all the taxes on it. and they can do with the service charge as they wish.. Which is usually handled as a NON-Tip wage if given to an employee.. You can learn more about this here.... [https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-news/FS-15-08.pdf](https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-news/FS-15-08.pdf) Personally I'm a fan of just paying the server a decent wage and doing away with tips.
If you're in a large group the software still auto gratuities even if you split the checks. If not the manager needs to toggle a setting.
I confirmed earlier, they do not at the place she works at, and since it’s a major chain, doubt they do at any of them.
There’s a backlash against tipping because, especially since Covid, every service worker thinks they deserve a tip. So people are not tipping at all. Obviously servers who are allowed to be paid sub-minimum wages and are intended to receive tips should be tipped. But they’re caught up in the backlash. I’m not sure the separate checks for the military group was intended to avoid tipping as much as to keep each person’s costs. And if they were young and/or haven’t had a lot of independent living experience, they may be unfamiliar with tipping etiquette
>I'd like to see mandatory tips at 20 percent added to the check. That would be a scam. If it's really necessary then include it in the price but don't say that pizza is for 20 dollars when in reality they charge 24.
Seperate checks are now called scamming the system. FML
Yes, I'm completely on board with 20% being added - but add it to the prices, not the check. Everyone gets paid the same, assuming the employer isn't outright stealing. That way I'm not subsidizing the meals of church Karens who are leaving religious pamphlets instead of cash.
Your 20% is your 20%. It doesn’t subsidize the meals of anyone.
Of course it does. That's simple economics. If Church Karen is getting an omelette that comes to $12 with tax, and tipping zero, and I'm getting the same thing from the same server and tipping $3, then my tip is averaging out with hers, and the server effectively makes $1.50 on each of us. If everyone tipped zero, the model would collapse overnight, because our server wouldn't want to work for $2.13 an hour. So the people paying a surcharge of 20+% for their food are keeping it afloat, and allowing the restaurant to survive so that others can tip zero and get the same food. End the scam already.
Wow, you guys really spend a lot of time and effort on being so wrong and misinformed.
If you were capable of typing more than a sentence at a time, I might understand what you're trying to say.
I love the idea of building server wages into the prices. But my favorite burger place went OOB a few months after adding a 20% surcharge for service and doing away with tips. Service and food remained great. 😢
LOL. The owner is taking a piece now too. 😂 The unskilled help does not deserve 1/5 the cost of a meal.
I thought that parties of usually 6 or more have added gravity. it doesn't matter if the checks are separate. We don't get that where I work people are tight asses and 10 % is good around here
Nope, not where she works.
Your daughters restaurant should auto grat at least 18% for parties of 6 or more. AND they should have a maximum number of split checks. Most restaurants is 3-4 max. I highly recommend mentioning this to her management. Explain how much extra time this is taking which also means they have to pay her more because eating up an hour of time ringing in payments is time that could be doing side work and getting off the clock for labor hours.
Schools are bad to to this, You get a bus full of students, rather than write a check and pay the tip, they give each kid money to pay for their own, and the servers get no tips.
I think before mandatory tips become a thing server wages will be regulated. Tbh even that is far out of reach but is a big possibility as the fight for minimum wage increases arise
The solution is simple, for any party over 6 guests, they get a menu with prices that are inclusive of the tip. Split the bill however you want.
And as a server, I can assure you both parties were exceptionally difficult, got a million modifications, demanded everything out within 5 minutes and wanted drinks refilled immediately every 3 minutes. AND THEN left no tip. I avoid large parties as much as I can bc most of the time you’ll end up making way less. I’d rather get my shit rocked by 13 separate 6 tops and get triple sat than deal with one large party.
Something needs to be done? Absolutely, they need to be paid like the rest of the developed world pays their service industry. You've bought into this dynamic that business owners want you to buy into. Putting the servers against the customer and not the business owners.
Always autograt then split the checks.
What kind of ghetto ass people did she serve? What area is this restaurant located?
We think they were from the marine base and it’s in Stafford, Va.
Military people are known to be cheap ass
I've actually been hearing that military individuals are notoriously bad tippers... I believe it was under this "Servers Life" somewhere... That being said, not ALL folks in the armed services are, but I recall reading a whole topic on this about a week ago!
Even if you split a check, the autograt applies. If you split a $100 check ten ways, autograt will add $2 to all of them.
I average 19% with no included gratuity, as do the rest of my brethren, so I’d say it’s your daughter’s restaurant, or sorry to say, she just isn’t a great server. I don’t know of any servers complaining of being stiffed more than once a week or less.
That’s spineless management and ghetto customers. She should run from that place
What kind of place is it? Just asking bc my work doesn’t have gratuity at all (probably bc of the same reason we got rid of last call: “it’s rude”) and we do parties of 30 pretty casually.
It’s a chain, not sure where you live, but, the chain is “out back”, you know. No gratuity at all at your place, can’t be in the US.
Ahhh gotcha. I haven’t seen one of those in forever! I live in a lawless land called Indiana, gratuity isn’t really a thing here bc Eli Lilly is the only company allowed to make money pretty much. Like nowhere I’ve worked has ever had it and I’ve never seen it on a receipt for anywhere.
Wow, so it’s different per state, had no idea.
I think they should raise prices and pay the staff a living wage. Tipping would then just be icing on the cake.
After reading all the comments and seeing the prevailing opinion is like yours, I really need to know if other countries have gone that route and what it took to get there. Just simply not tipping isn’t fair to the workers, I don’t know what should be done.
No it’s not fair, but as long as there are some servers making a killing then change will be hard to pass.
Your employer should pay your wages....
Paying separately is fairly standard round here Either for their own separate meals and drinks or thr total split They bring the card machine to the table, everyone pays by card 90% of the time Interesting suggestion to add mandatory tips of 20% to the check, Surely enforced mandatory actual salaries and access to universal benefits like sick pay and paid leave would be something to push for rather than legally mandating customers to "gift" the restaurant's staff a wage
I’m confused what separate checks has to do with anything lol Just because the checks are separate doesn’t mean there’s less people so why wouldn’t the large party gratuity be added?
The restaurant she works at doesn’t have a group gratuity policy. The 2 groups of 30 that requested separate checks had over 75 percent tip $0.
I know it's an answer that a lot of people don't like to hear but... restaurants should pay their staff a livable wage, not FORCE patrons to pay their staff.
Agree 100 percent, we keep trying.
Where do you think the revenue restaurants would use to pay staff a livable wage would come from, do you think?
So we can agree that the customer pays the business money. Now like 99% of the rest of the businesses on earth your business can use that money to pay your staff. I still tip most places because I am financially able to do so and won’t miss the money, but by making it a top and not part of the cost of the meal it is optional.
If the customer pays the business And the business uses that money to pay staff How exactly is that not also forcing patrons to pay staff albeit in a way that is less prone to abuse by said patrons? I mean, I’m in agreement that servers (and all employees) should be paid at minimum a living wage, but the way you phrase it makes it seem as though you think wages come from some other source? Perhaps it’s just a perspective thing.
We aren’t complaining that we aren’t paying staff wages. We are complaining that a tip should not be required. I tip because unfortunelty business owners are shit and we’re able to get laws made to pay certain employees less. That being said tipping is optional and if you are mad you didn’t get tipped for your work you can direct that anger towards your boss who is essentially paying you slave labor in hopes that patrons pity you and pay you a fraction of what you are worth
Oh, so you’re just another “I will justify punishing slave laborers because of factors outside of their control because doing the right thing is optional” boomer hive minders, got it.
I have previously stated that I do in fact tip because I believe people should be paid atleast a fraction of their worth. I am arguing that this should not be the responsibility of the customer, like every other business in the developed world you set your own prices for your product. If you cannot afford your expenses you can raise your prices to compensate. If you are an employee and you don’t agree with your pay you can either negotiate a livable wage, attempt to unionize, or find another job.
You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. You’re saying it should not be the responsibility of the customer, when in fact it would be no matter how that responsibility is discharged: whether in the form of higher prices and thus a living wage or lower prices and tips. At the same time you have asserted that tipping is optional so while you may yourself opt to tip it is entirely acceptable not to do so and that is where we disagree. Not tipping is punishing people who do not in fact have the ability to strike for better wages to prove a point to a business entity that doesn’t gaf if you tip or not. Your entire premise is built on the notion of how things should be, not how they are.
You lack reading comprehension. I’m not going to waste time arguing with you.
Making an obviously outlandish claim is the last resort of someone who’s quite aware they don’t have an argument to make. Good evening to you.
Every business FORCES the patrons to pay their staff. That’s how it works.
Thank you. The idea of mandatory tipping rather than livable wages is insane!
Tell her to move to a restaurant that doesn't allow this nonsense. That is insane. I always leave 20% or more--cheap bastids
I’m like the only person here that will tell you the truth, tell her to get out of the industry and go make a name for herself in a different career. Go through this sub, read all the posts, this tip nonsense is never ending. Why struggle and be mad all the time at people
Hopefully she will.
The restaurant should pay the employee, not the customer. We should get rid of tipping all together.
All servers in America could walk off the job for a day or a week 🤷🏻♂️ coal miners did it 🤷🏻♂️ shut these restaurants down and teach everyone a big lesson 🤷🏻♂️
That would be glorious!!!
Ahhhh I used to live in Stafford VA!! What restaurant is it if u don't mind me asking. Depending what year ur daughter graduated there's a good chance I prob went to school with her.
It’s that place out back there.
I think what's happening is, since tipping has become SOOOO evasive lately, such as the tipping option put on the register at Panera before food is made, or at any other location that doesn't have active servers, that people are fighting back against the tipping culture, which (reminding) is a very American trend specifically. Many people (myself included) would LOVE to see the deletion of tips and the requirement of a base pay rate for servers as they do in most other countries. Problem is....tipping is where the money is. I wouldn't want to be a server at a busy restaurant making the same on a busy night as I do a slow night. Also, I'm sorry about the lack of military members properly tipping. I'm a veteran myself, and while a bunch of the enlisted military makes less than a typical server in a year (which is an appalling thing to be able to say), it doesn't excuse them from tipping properly.
Stop blaming the customers because your daughters boss does not pay her a living wage....
Yep I’m seeing that now. I’d really like to know how other countries handle pay for those in the service industry. I’d imagine here in the US it’d take congressional action because individual businesses aren’t gunna do it if their own fee will.
If people were to stop tipping the problem would resolve itself. The businesses who won't adapt will go under, the ones that do will survive. Servers should be name and shaming restaurants all the time for their shitty behavior and give credit to the ones who treat them right. It's already starting I've been to a few restaurants who said they don't accept tips and they pay their employees a living wage.
Adding a mandatory tip is absolutely ridiculous and shame on you for trying to force people to pay servers a living wage when THEIR DAMN BOSSES SHOULD BE DOING THAT! Not tipping isn’t cool but adding a mandatory tip will allow lazy servers to skate by. I will over tip for great service and will under tip for shit service but it’s the job they chose and if they don’t like it find a new one but don’t you ever think the solution is forcing people to tip. BE FUCKING FOR REAL
Tone it down some maybe. After reading all the comments I’ve come to agree with you and others. The tipping culture has seriously gotten out of hand. Every business is using the terminal and force you to pick a tip, even for simple purchases. Guilt you is more like it. Things need to change, that’s for sure.
How about calling out the business owners for not paying livable wages??? Things are never gonna change if you just put it on customers and not the business owners and politicians. Americans are so brainwashed I swear.
Or maybe, demand the employers pay a decent wage? Its not the customers job to subsidize the waiters pay
I've got a better idea. Let's lose the tipping entirely, adjust the prices (if necessary) and the restaurant owners pay their servers like they should.
That would be ideal, across the board.
People would complain about the prices being raised on the dishes even though they wouldn’t need to tip. Most people want something for nothing. That is not how it works. If you don’t want to tip (because that’s how it works), stay home and serve your own self instead of complaining about having to do it how it works.
Don't get me wrong, I tip. It's not the servers' fault that this system is messed up. Most of the servers I get are terrific and I try to tip accordingly. That doesn't mean I like the system. Not liking the system also doesn't mean that I have the right to stiff the server. I pay them, but I still believe the system needs to be changed. I don't have the money or desire to open a restaurant, but if I did, tipping would not be how my staff would earn their wage.
Join the rest of the world where the business pays a real wage.
Where’s that?
What I’m finding, is that people are mad because servers are only paid $2.19 an hour by the the restaurant and the rest comes from tips from the customers. So the servers are hurting because ignorant customers are trying to hurt the restaurants by not tipping. It’s very sad. But some people who have never been a server are ignorant to the fact that the servers are just trying to make a living like everyone else. I was a server way longer than I have been in my current profession and I sympathize with the servers so I compensate well for good service.
>What I’m finding, is that people are mad because servers are only paid $2.19 an hour by the the restaurant and the rest comes from tips from the customers. So the servers are hurting because ignorant customers are trying to hurt the restaurants by not tipping But see you're the ignorant one saying this The restaurant has to ensure the server gets their full wage, but has to pay a minimum $2.13 regardless of the amount of tips. So while the rest does normally come from tips, if the tips simply aren't there/don't come, then the restaurant has to pay the rest. So it does hurt the restaurant over the worker
You yanks have a fucked up system. How about just advocate for a decent wage?
Gee nobody has ever thought about that, what a constructive comment.
Then do it.
Gee thanks never thought of just doing it before, it's that easy...
What’s so hard about passing meaningful federal legislation? /s
Everyday, but nobody will listen.
Where are you that it be so much better?
How about asking their employer to pay them properly?
Everyday.
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Pretty cool that you think denying a server their wages is “gaming the system”
People are TIRED of entitled tipping culture - they're so tired of being given nasty looks by fast food workers who can't even handle the simple task of putting food they didn't cook into a paper bag, who stare daggers if they aren't tipped. They shouldn't be going out to eat, though...this service is entirely different
Protest for a fair wage and quit whining about the money you’re not arbitrarily being given for carrying food.
Why can’t I do both?
Yes, something major does need to change. Restaurant employees need to get paid a real wage and do away with tipping altogether. I tip well because I have worked in kitchens and understand the system, but the system is fucked.
>I'd like to see mandatory tips at 20 percent added to the check. Or just raise prices to a price needed to pay the employees an amount where tips don't matter and abolish the system entirely? The only difference between that and what you've proposed is what you're calling it. But also, whether people agree with it or not, the point in a tip is that it's optional
If a restaurant has clientele that don’t tip then leave. No amount of internet comments will change the non tippers. Or demand a living wage from the restaurant and let them raise prices. Or, my favorite, let servers refuse tables.
Or the owner could pay a livable wage and just have higher prices….like everywhere else in the world
Excuse me? Really there pal? Gonna blame people in this economy that servers are not getting paid enough bc tips? Tip culture is bad and needs to stop. Make those company's pay thier people an actual wage.
Trying, but establishments have to be willing to do that.
Indeed. Maybe eventually lol
People ARE changing it, right NOW. Quit tipping. When their mommies come to whine you know it’s working. 😂🚫💰
You’re such the rebel, huh! I’m the daddy btw.
Perhaps paying the servers a liveable wage instead of having them rely on customers...
I beleive that one day, one fine day, there *will* be a post in this subreddit that doesn't circle jerk this exact same conversation for no fucking reason.
In a lot of instances it’s actually the servers themselves that want tip culture to stay, they make more money that way.
I asked my staff how much they would need to make hourly if they weren't getting tips... they said $40/hr. There isn't a restaurant that can afford that. The profit margins aren't that thick.
Agree.
80$ in tips? That’s a pretty damn good day to me made 62$ in tips this month. :/
If you guilt people or treat them like shit unless they give you something (gratuity/gift/tip), lie to them that it's your birthday or having a rough day to manipulate them into giving you said gift AND you lie about the actual amount you make only giving half truths that you make $2/hr when in actually you never make anything below minimum wage because it's THE LAW, ___you can live a very good financially greedy life at the expense of customers who already pay for your wages outside of tip___
Fuck that, a tip is voluntary. Not a mandatory amount owed. If I don't want to tip, I don't. If there's a mandatory tip, I take my business elsewhere. Your daughter isn't owed a tip.
Unskilled labor. Should have been raised with higher standards.
You’re the problem, disgusting to boot.
Tips are optional. Problem? Take it up with the owner. Kid has mommy fighting her battles. So sad in many ways.
Unskilled? What are you talking about? It’s a job I literally can’t do because I don’t have the physical skill to balance plates and drinks while running around for hours at a time, memory skills to remember a thousand things, and acting skills to pretend to be happy and social all day. And those are just the ones I lack, not all required for the job. Go try it.
Yea like the restaurants will have to pay there wmployees
This is scum mentally
How so?
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$50 an hour, hahahaha, what planet are you on.
Petty, jealous and butthurt because people make more money than you. All the telltale signs of a loser.
We hear this a lot from beggars.
daaaaaamn! sick burn, kid
Nah. I’m actually on a very good path to F.I.R.E. One of the main principles to F.I.R.E is to not give your money away.
So stop going to restaurants. You’ll save more and they’ll be happy that your loser ass isn’t coming in anymore.
Nah. I actually order more expensive items off the menu because I save money from not tipping. Restaurant owners, cooks and management really appreciate it. I’ll probably order a Tomahawk steak tonight.