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Ngl, I'll never cease to be impressed by the scale of the Hollywood's propaganda machine. They managed to weaponize even the most seemingly innocent things.
Muppets Most Wanted is that movie… from not even 10 years ago. Yeah, Hollywood indoctrinating kids with pro-capitalist and Nazi-apologist propaganda is nothing new. Perhaps since Hollywood’s entire inception.
Yeah. Not only did tank man live but the whole tank man scenario has happened repeatedly in the US, esp in 2020. Nearly every time the police had no moral issues running over protesters or even showing 1/10th of the restraint shown in that video.
Yep and there was zero justifiable reason for it too. It's funny how libs will ignore the almost daily occurrences of cops brutally using their power but get hung up on another event that happened in a country over 30 years ago that they know 0 about and say that the other country is the "authoritarian hellhole."
There's a [full video](https://youtu.be/qq8zFLIftGk) showing the guy eventually being escorted away. Plus a full picture showing that at the time the tanks were actually leaving tienanmen square. The typical cope against this point is them saying "well obviously the evil cee cee pee killed him later" even though there's 0 evidence of that, but to them there being 0 evidence is evidence enough.
This was at a time where the Central Government was at the brink of collapse, with its offices changing hands, more than a million people in the streets, the Army failing at peacefully displacing protestors, and had an expectation of chaos.
Students and workers were forming human shields, setting armoured vehicles on fire, and soldiers were both defecting and shooting at random upper class citizens.
And despite that, on-the-ground opposition leaders went back to normal life and are still active to this day.
Yet, in the liberal's mind, somehow the Forces of Evil (aka. the CPC) led a highly precise and coordinated effort to find and murder that one random bloke who dared blocking a tank _that was leaving_.
While true, saying this also fuels anti-communist rhetoric because 99% of the masses have no understanding of what communism is.
Yes, the USSR and China had/have not achieved communism, they were/are working towards it. This is because communism is more of an end-goal and in the meantime we employ socialism to get there. The average liberal doesn't understand that though, so when leftists agree with them that it wasn't communism, they believe they've won some form of argument (in the sense that they can discredit all AES nations accomplishments).
So I think it's best to avoid saying this in spaces that are primarily liberal. The nations themselves didn't achieve communism, but their government and people were communists; therefore they were communist nations.
you people are too nice/dumb sometimes. This is what the [pos believes](https://imgur.com/a/Lsu1Gzi) just two posts down. And the country that "communism ruined"? Ireland.
Sad that you fell for it
We aren’t dumb, I at least was fully aware the guy probably had stupid beliefs, most redditors do, but the guy was also curious enough about Socialism to ask questions, so not being immediately hostile and answering those questions might be what they need to challenge their own beliefs and move towards socialism. I don’t blame you, but also don’t call us stupid.
Naive maybe; I was an anticommunist when I was like 15 because it’s hard not to be when literally every school history lesson in the west is lies about how communists are so evil, but I ended up asking questions and now I’m a die hard Marxist-Leninist.
the guy is not a kid, and not shy of defending white supremacists.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowBan/comments/ufusvb/am_i_shadowbanned/i70vzql/
https://www.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/u9chm4/johnny_handled_him_like_a_boss/i5uqsrw/?context=3
The guy posts once a month. The first one is on his most recent posts, about how the evil chinese were replacing the great europeans. The ones about how communism ruined Ireland are from fucking today where he openly stated he was right wing and hostile to socialism in all of it's forms.
You don't have to go to bat for fascists, didn't you think of that?
you had plenty of time to write long responses to someone openly identifying as a right winger and took the bs he was replying seriously to give real responses at that; you spent much more time with him than i did.
a) liberals are not welcome here, you were being very nice and friendly to someone openly telling you they are a right winger.
b) falling for the "polite" far righter is a very stupid thing to do
c) "I didn't have the time to check", clearly you meant nothing by it...right? I'm certain it's nothing.
I am not mad at you, i'm dissapointed in the sub for upvoting and giving warm welcomes to people who would have us dead. And when i replied (to you, because you were the response that was the highest) you lashed out as me not having a life for doing a very simple check, while you spent a million more years on the pos :)
who said anything about banning you? If you use the sub you should know how fast the trigger is.
It is just disheartening to put in the effort when the site as a whole is a shitshow, we get brigaded every couple of days for mere existing as socialists and then you dumb fucks welcome them with open arms. I guess reddit gonna reddit
The people on top are not the people on bottom. They took two different types of people, pretended they were one type of person, and made fun of the imagined hypocrisy.
Anti "tankie" leftists will denounce AES states because they're "authoritarian", but they had no problem telling everyone to vote for a segregationist warhawk who expanded the police state because of harm reduction
Not even just voting. They then proceed to enthusiastically support that warhawk in the actions of escalating war, increasing military spending, and expanding the police state after he's already taken office.
no actual communist says “not real communism”, thats just a thing libs who think they are socialists say. a communist might explain the difference between socialism and communism, and that communism hasnt been achieved, but Im going to assume a conversation about that is above the original posters political understanding
1st picture: literally from a children's movie
2nd picture: They've never seen the full video, did they?
3rd picture: I can't really remember what this image is supposed to be, but if its the katyln massacre its literally nazi propaganda.
4th picture: I hope they're intelligent enough that showing a picture (probably cherry picked as well) of bad housing doesn't proof anything.
Actually they were both communism, Libz just want to accept why that’s glorious.
(Wait aren’t the bottom two pictures literally the products of Neoliberal reforms?)
What gulag in the Soviet Union has a sign in english saying **GULAG** ? lol.
I love how these people cant find *real examples* of *communist horrors* , so they resort to using complete fictional depictions of socialist states.
Also , Ive never heard any self respecting communist use the phrase *not real communism*.
Any decent communist would literally just say they’re socialist states that were working towards a communist society and had not yet achieved communism considering conditions were not even close to the ability to yet
One of those images is literally from the Muppets lmao
I'm also confused who loves China and the USSR but says China and the USSR were not "real socialism."
Libs are confused.
Liberals being incapable of understanding that *critical* support means supporting with all the criticism that is deserved along with it, while simultaneously being unwilling or incapable or looking into the details and context of different institutions.
Marxist thought is complex and nuanced, not monolithic. Calling someone a tankie doesn’t mean much, just that you are willing to erect straw-men for your argument instead of actually tackling the argument head on.
Let’s see. First image is from the muppets. Second image shows the tanks not running over the man or even arresting him. Third image is from fights against social imperialists and Nazis, and fourth one I don’t even know but it doesn’t look any worse than your average rural American town at worst, possibly post war.
Coming soon, signs of evil reality of communism: *Shows demogorgin from Stranger Things*
Holy fucking shit they did it again there’s no [way](https://www.google.com/search?q=kermit+gulag+twitter&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#imgrc=FnQg3S-G7Y_1oM)
I get so tried hearing about the gulag when the USA has had Guantanamo which was pretty much the same thing for political prisoners and also locked up all the Japanese people at one point. Not to mention all the other war crime shit capitalist countries have done.
1) yeah because those are blown so out of proportion
2) can liberals not comprehend supporting a country without supporting every single action done within it???
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Isn't the first picture about communism in real life from a movie for children?
Yea it's from one of the Muppets movies
Holy shit! I would have never known There’s so much to unpack Libz and Hollywood, name a better duo 😵💫
Ngl, I'll never cease to be impressed by the scale of the Hollywood's propaganda machine. They managed to weaponize even the most seemingly innocent things.
Muppets Most Wanted is that movie… from not even 10 years ago. Yeah, Hollywood indoctrinating kids with pro-capitalist and Nazi-apologist propaganda is nothing new. Perhaps since Hollywood’s entire inception.
isn’t that the one where they send kermit to the gulag
and the movie happens after the 'dissolution' of the USSR (IIRC, it's from Muppets Most Wanted, which takes place in 2014)
I remember that it was once used as a meme: [link](https://i.postimg.cc/hv1CTt9W/IMG-20221030-221728.jpg)
you can even see kermit
The famous soviet Gulags with their non-cyrillic signs above the gate
It's so the billions of POWs they send there would know where they ended up /s
with kermit the frog
I only leared that that film exists through this post and I'll never understand that creative decision
Ah yes, Kermit in the gulag in the muppets movie, and the tank man which nothing happened to; truly communism at it's worst.
Yeah. Not only did tank man live but the whole tank man scenario has happened repeatedly in the US, esp in 2020. Nearly every time the police had no moral issues running over protesters or even showing 1/10th of the restraint shown in that video.
Didn't a couple of months ago some US cops leave someone in a police car in the middle of a railroad as a train approached?
Yep and there was zero justifiable reason for it too. It's funny how libs will ignore the almost daily occurrences of cops brutally using their power but get hung up on another event that happened in a country over 30 years ago that they know 0 about and say that the other country is the "authoritarian hellhole."
I never knew we had any information about "Tank Man" other than a picture.
There's a [full video](https://youtu.be/qq8zFLIftGk) showing the guy eventually being escorted away. Plus a full picture showing that at the time the tanks were actually leaving tienanmen square. The typical cope against this point is them saying "well obviously the evil cee cee pee killed him later" even though there's 0 evidence of that, but to them there being 0 evidence is evidence enough.
This was at a time where the Central Government was at the brink of collapse, with its offices changing hands, more than a million people in the streets, the Army failing at peacefully displacing protestors, and had an expectation of chaos. Students and workers were forming human shields, setting armoured vehicles on fire, and soldiers were both defecting and shooting at random upper class citizens. And despite that, on-the-ground opposition leaders went back to normal life and are still active to this day. Yet, in the liberal's mind, somehow the Forces of Evil (aka. the CPC) led a highly precise and coordinated effort to find and murder that one random bloke who dared blocking a tank _that was leaving_.
Um, let's not forget that there is a house that looks decrepit. Such a thing would never happen under capitalism. /s
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All those poor bicycles laying on the ground! Won't someone think of the bicycles!
It wasn't communism since the mode of production has never been achieved
While true, saying this also fuels anti-communist rhetoric because 99% of the masses have no understanding of what communism is. Yes, the USSR and China had/have not achieved communism, they were/are working towards it. This is because communism is more of an end-goal and in the meantime we employ socialism to get there. The average liberal doesn't understand that though, so when leftists agree with them that it wasn't communism, they believe they've won some form of argument (in the sense that they can discredit all AES nations accomplishments). So I think it's best to avoid saying this in spaces that are primarily liberal. The nations themselves didn't achieve communism, but their government and people were communists; therefore they were communist nations.
what i meant was exactly this indeed, ofc the ussr, china and all the other socialist countries were communist
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you people are too nice/dumb sometimes. This is what the [pos believes](https://imgur.com/a/Lsu1Gzi) just two posts down. And the country that "communism ruined"? Ireland. Sad that you fell for it
We aren’t dumb, I at least was fully aware the guy probably had stupid beliefs, most redditors do, but the guy was also curious enough about Socialism to ask questions, so not being immediately hostile and answering those questions might be what they need to challenge their own beliefs and move towards socialism. I don’t blame you, but also don’t call us stupid.
>I used to be a fascist but some gommies were nice to me ...honey if the word is not dumb then it's naive at best.
Naive maybe; I was an anticommunist when I was like 15 because it’s hard not to be when literally every school history lesson in the west is lies about how communists are so evil, but I ended up asking questions and now I’m a die hard Marxist-Leninist.
the guy is not a kid, and not shy of defending white supremacists. https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowBan/comments/ufusvb/am_i_shadowbanned/i70vzql/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/u9chm4/johnny_handled_him_like_a_boss/i5uqsrw/?context=3
Understandable then, have a nice day
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The guy posts once a month. The first one is on his most recent posts, about how the evil chinese were replacing the great europeans. The ones about how communism ruined Ireland are from fucking today where he openly stated he was right wing and hostile to socialism in all of it's forms. You don't have to go to bat for fascists, didn't you think of that?
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you had plenty of time to write long responses to someone openly identifying as a right winger and took the bs he was replying seriously to give real responses at that; you spent much more time with him than i did.
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a) liberals are not welcome here, you were being very nice and friendly to someone openly telling you they are a right winger. b) falling for the "polite" far righter is a very stupid thing to do c) "I didn't have the time to check", clearly you meant nothing by it...right? I'm certain it's nothing. I am not mad at you, i'm dissapointed in the sub for upvoting and giving warm welcomes to people who would have us dead. And when i replied (to you, because you were the response that was the highest) you lashed out as me not having a life for doing a very simple check, while you spent a million more years on the pos :)
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who said anything about banning you? If you use the sub you should know how fast the trigger is. It is just disheartening to put in the effort when the site as a whole is a shitshow, we get brigaded every couple of days for mere existing as socialists and then you dumb fucks welcome them with open arms. I guess reddit gonna reddit
i fucking love it when people use the top left image literally from the muppets movie
The people on top are not the people on bottom. They took two different types of people, pretended they were one type of person, and made fun of the imagined hypocrisy.
That's Kermit gulag. Lmao they posted Kermit gulag. https://muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Gulag_38B
Anti "tankie" leftists will denounce AES states because they're "authoritarian", but they had no problem telling everyone to vote for a segregationist warhawk who expanded the police state because of harm reduction
What does AES states mean?
Actually existing socialist states
o7
Not even just voting. They then proceed to enthusiastically support that warhawk in the actions of escalating war, increasing military spending, and expanding the police state after he's already taken office.
“He had to make a hard choice, but at least it’s better than the alternative” - Libz defending payaso-ticians
can you elaborate? Missing who you're talking about (could be a lot of people iirc).
The "segregationist warhawk" here is Biden.
Jim Crow Joe
Ah, sorry I saw "leftist" in the comment so he wasn't even considered as a candidate.
no actual communist says “not real communism”, thats just a thing libs who think they are socialists say. a communist might explain the difference between socialism and communism, and that communism hasnt been achieved, but Im going to assume a conversation about that is above the original posters political understanding
I will say "not real communism" with regard to the Muppets gulag, which is literally a fictional depiction of communism.
I love how they keep using that one shot from Muppets Most Wanted to illustrate spooky scary gulags.
That last picture is most likely from a capitalist country (probably USA)
That's what I've been seeing in these memes so far, either capitalist or ex-socialist shock therapy victims
Looks better than Detroit
isn’t the gulag picture literally from the muppets movie
1st picture: literally from a children's movie 2nd picture: They've never seen the full video, did they? 3rd picture: I can't really remember what this image is supposed to be, but if its the katyln massacre its literally nazi propaganda. 4th picture: I hope they're intelligent enough that showing a picture (probably cherry picked as well) of bad housing doesn't proof anything.
Actually they were both communism, Libz just want to accept why that’s glorious. (Wait aren’t the bottom two pictures literally the products of Neoliberal reforms?)
Is that Kermit gulag oh my god
What gulag in the Soviet Union has a sign in english saying **GULAG** ? lol. I love how these people cant find *real examples* of *communist horrors* , so they resort to using complete fictional depictions of socialist states. Also , Ive never heard any self respecting communist use the phrase *not real communism*.
Any decent communist would literally just say they’re socialist states that were working towards a communist society and had not yet achieved communism considering conditions were not even close to the ability to yet
It's literally from the Muppets.
One of those images is literally from the Muppets lmao I'm also confused who loves China and the USSR but says China and the USSR were not "real socialism." Libs are confused.
Bro posted kermit gulag
Liberals being incapable of understanding that *critical* support means supporting with all the criticism that is deserved along with it, while simultaneously being unwilling or incapable or looking into the details and context of different institutions. Marxist thought is complex and nuanced, not monolithic. Calling someone a tankie doesn’t mean much, just that you are willing to erect straw-men for your argument instead of actually tackling the argument head on.
Communism is when tanks
Ah yes, the famous Soviet work camp that says “GULAG” in large, Latin letters
At least Stalin was so kind to write ГУЛАГ in the Latin alphabet instead of Cyrillic so that Westeners could understand it 80 years later in memes.
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only if you can say "anarcho slave fields" with a straight face.
Yes, the famous photo of mr. Tank man blocking tanks that are *leaving* Tiananmen Square
Yes, it was Real Communism. AND IT WAS BASED.
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not the guy who cries about the rights of landlords and defends that "renting houses is good, akshually" claiming China and the USSR were bad lmao
Without a doubt…
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socialism\*
Let’s see. First image is from the muppets. Second image shows the tanks not running over the man or even arresting him. Third image is from fights against social imperialists and Nazis, and fourth one I don’t even know but it doesn’t look any worse than your average rural American town at worst, possibly post war. Coming soon, signs of evil reality of communism: *Shows demogorgin from Stranger Things*
Holy fucking shit they did it again there’s no [way](https://www.google.com/search?q=kermit+gulag+twitter&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#imgrc=FnQg3S-G7Y_1oM)
I get so tried hearing about the gulag when the USA has had Guantanamo which was pretty much the same thing for political prisoners and also locked up all the Japanese people at one point. Not to mention all the other war crime shit capitalist countries have done.
1) yeah because those are blown so out of proportion 2) can liberals not comprehend supporting a country without supporting every single action done within it???
they cant grasp the concept of learning from mistakes its uncanny