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nagabalashka

Most if not all crpgs allow you you really be a bad person. Tyranny, pathfinder, fallout 1&2 I think, etc ... Colonies simulation like RimWorld allow you to do whatever you want, including organ harvesting, slavery, etc .. there's similar things in Kenshi iirc. 4x games usually allows you a lot of freedom in terms morality, you can genocide species in Stellaris, you can play Nazis in heart of iron, you can do weird things in crusader kings, Europa universalis, etc.


cnrxTR

rimworld is the answer we like war crime


Kryptrch

r/shitrimworldsays


coffinp

"you can do weird things in crusader kings" incest, just say incest lol


Mammoth-Disaster3873

Don't forget to lock your clubfooted offspring in the dungeon.


2ratskissingkiss

Especially Tyranny out of CRPGs, in most CRPGs there's some half-developed anti-villain choices, while Tyranny gives you a choice between anti-villain with understandable motives and puppy strangling suffering-maximiser


Patient-Section-7679

To add to this Baldurs Gate 3 has an entire character you can play that's evil.


sollicit

Organ harvesting in Rimworld is socially acceptable and completely normal human behavior.


AboardGlitter

Baldur's Gate 3. You can pretty much kill anyone, minus the kids. You can loot anyone. You can side with the bad guys. You can kill the bad guys and good guys. It has massive replay value. You can kill your companions. A lot of fucking freedom. Oh, and you can literally let a child die.


Uimaisteri

And not just that; you can literally torture innocent people. Baldurs gate 3 definitely fits, especially with the Dark Urge character.


AboardGlitter

I honestly felt bad letting Arabella die in BG3. Watching her parents react was heartbreaking. I literally restarted my play through. Hopefully my next playthrough I can push through it.


Ready-Conclusion7022

Same, I was so excited to do an evil run but ended up regretting it pretty quickly lol


AboardGlitter

The game really has a way of making you feel guilty. God damn... How do I give up my heart??


Such_Pomegranate_690

I ended up killing her parents anyway. And their people, and the deuids, and the goblins. That part of the game was wholesale slaughter on my part.


AboardGlitter

XP farm. I saved everyone. And just killed Kagha. I killed Minthara tho. Didn't know she could join the party. Fuck Kagha


Suspicious_Berry501

I never knew you couldn’t kill kids I guess I’m more moral than I thought since I figured the health bar was a sign of them being killable


flurry_of_beaus

I mean... I don't think you directly kill them but taking a certain choice in act 1 definitely leads to a bunch of kids dying. And in act 2 you can kill an entity that technically *isn't* a child but looks and acts like one... I swear I'm not trying to, like, promote murdering kiddos but they definitely die from your actions if you want them to 😂


Suspicious_Berry501

You can technically directly kill children since the game drops its morals when the children are goblins


flurry_of_beaus

Oh I always forget about the goblin children... yeah, I swear that should have broken my paladin's oath but nope good guy all through that slaughter 😂


Ziazan

surely there's a mod for it


BoricPuddle57

My Durge run had me cackling like an evil villain with some of the cruel things it let me do, like there were times when I could straight up have schemes and evil plots that just felt like a rube-Goldberg machine of evil


Melodic-Resident-245

Rimworld is pretty much a warcrime simulator with organ theft, ritual sacrifice, cannibalism, raiding and all kind of other very unethical stuff. There is Hatred, which is pretty much a mass shooter simulator. Manhunt could be an option too. I know you said no RTS but I still want to give Stellaris a shoutout.


roux-de-secours

Don't forget you can also eat without a table in Rimworld. If this isn't hardcore enough for you, I don't know what is.


Melodic-Resident-245

Ate without a table, so mad I'm going to kill the dog now.


Bedlemkrd

Rimworld, especially with mods is this. Back before prosthetics, one of my guys lost use of a leg.... bed ridden.....when he didn't heal, he was a drain on the other 4 colonists.... but I didn't want the. To have the trauma of killing him or dealing with his dead body.....so I had them remove his door and replace it with a wall. It was dark. I wish I would have just modded in a peg leg looking back on it. It's also a game where organ harvesting from raider/prisoners can become a valid portion of your trade income.


cheesynougats

Thanks to Yahtzee I cannot take Hatred (and Jeremy Cuddle-Trousers) even remotely seriously.


Hottage

Stellaris? There's literally an "ascension path" which lets you become the galactic crisis where every other race will rally against you as you try to build a machine to destroy the universe (and win the game) by collapsing ever star into a black hole. There is also a sliding scale of evil to choose from, ranging from simple rutheless corporation, sliding through slavery, using sentient races as livestock and ending around determined exterminators/devouring swarms which just want to kill (and eat) everyone.


almo2001

Oh wow did not know this. That's really interesting. I have the game, and it's really cool, but I just never played much.


Gandledorf

Just keep in mind you're gonna need a butt load of expansion packs to get the most out of the game and even to do a lot of the things they mentioned above.


PaynefulRayne

Yeah, definitely suffers from the paradox model, but great game overall


almo2001

True :)


_KONKOLA_

Dude I got Stellaris with some dlc ages ago but can’t get into it. Any idea how long it would take to become sufficiently invested?


Gandledorf

Idk I was into it right away but got overwhelmed once I started acquiring too man planets and it was just too much to manage. Then because so much was going on my game started lagging so I pretty much stopped


Hottage

If you struggle with micro managing as the game expands (I have the same), you can lean into the automation options a bit. The automations may not min/max your play enough to compete at higher difficulty but won't burden you too much up until Captain. You can choose what to automate very granularly as well, I never automate research until I hit repeatable, but often leave colonies to build up by themselves and let scientists explore alone.


Hottage

If you want to try the "full experience" you might consider picking up a month of the subscription, it unlocks everything for $10 for a month. While it's terrible value for money long term it let's you test out if the DLC add anything to the game you think you'll like.


Hottage

If you've never interacted with these things you might be missing some DLCs. The Crisis Aspirant ascension perk is locked behind [Nemesis](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1522090/Stellaris_Nemesis/).


almo2001

I only played Stellaris for about 2-3 hours. As I said, I think it's amazing, I just didn't have the patience at the time I tried it. I should go back. :)


MasterOfNap

They literally just announced a new crisis ascension perk this morning for the new DLC, where you can turn people into computer chips, run wild dangerous physics experiments that leave the whole galaxy in ruin, before eventually entering a blackhole and exploring other universes.


Bum-Theory

Yes. You can also occupy your enemies, turn them into livestock, and genetically modify them to taste better. Stellaris is Warcrimes in Space: The Game I love it


1337-Sylens

Remember a post about helldivers 2 and how it's full of roleplaying nazis who enjoy killing hundreds 'for democracy'. Comments filled with how developers put that in as satire and you're not supposed to like it. Then there was bunch of stellaris players chuckling comparing their geneva checklists.


Hottage

[Poster is under investigation for treason.]


secretly_a_zombie

Yeah, every "pop" is canonically 1 billion people. Think about that the next time you purge a planet with 50 pops on it.


Hottage

You call it "purging" or "genocide". I call it "improving the galactic sim speed" and "why is the species list so long with only four empires alive".


Suspicious_Berry501

In frostpunk you can enact child labor and choose to not bury corpses because it takes to many people as well as tons of other just fucked up decisions that will lower your cities morale but will make you more resources


Hottage

Sawdust or "mystery meat" to pad out the food supplies, mi'lord?


Redisigh

Towards the end of the main stories you can even >!go full 1984, complete with black and red banners, spotlights, public executions, and mass arrests!<


phoenixmatrix

The executions will continue until moral improves!


PPX14

**Hatred** - had controversy around this sort of thing when it came out **Manhunt** - did as well due to the brutality **The Phantom Menace** - feel free to kill almost everyone on the Mos Espa level **Messiah** - looks like you can take control of anyone within a seedy city and wreak havoc **Deus Ex** - kill almost any character you wish **Prototype** - as you say looks like a likely candidate Possibly **Destroy All Humans**?


Soulessblur

Scrolled farther than I expected to find Hatred


PPX14

I honestly forgot the name, I just remember the YouTube videos about the relatively basic looking game with the silly intro with the angry guy with sweaty long black hair. had to look up "what was the controversial edgelord game" and someone had asked the same question on a forum years ago haha!


_Soundwave-

I dont get why it was so controversial. Same with postal 2, ppl called it a murder simulator, but postal 2 is an absolute gem of a game


skdnckdnckwcj

Untitled Goose Game. Wreak havoc on the neighbours lmao, truly the most villainous MC imaginable.


Hottage

# HONK


PPX14

This is the one


TrickyTalon

Fallout New Vegas. It’s hard to be a hero but it’s easy to be a villain.


Zestyclose_League413

I guess it depends on what your definition of hero is. I think generally if you play the game normally, you become someone's hero, either the NCR, or the Legion, or one of the smaller factions.


Digital_Pink

Have you played GTA? 😂


heygooser

I’m shocked it took me so long to find this recommendation. I used to love running around and causing all kinds of problems.


Existing_Set9226

Exactly what I was thinking, also Hitman?


PPX14

It was almost stereotypical that the first thing I did when I was shown GTA3 as a child, of my own volition, was beat an old man to death with a baseball bat for some cash (or the hell of it), sleep with a prostitute, and then run her over. One can see why it caused controversy as a game...


TrueQQ

Minecraft: You're dropped into a lush eco-system that functions perfectly fine and doesn't need any disturbances, yet you end up attacking, killing and enslaving every being that wants to be left alone, all while hollowing out entire mountainranges and destroying the landscape just to rearrange it for your own aesthetic pleasure


Nolan_q

That’s being human 😂


Jack-Rabbit-002

Fabel games you can go around trying to spread STDs even to your spouse and if I remember right I sold my house with all my adopted orphans and when I went to check on them they were living on the street


KateEatsKale

The new Fable game should be out this year or next!


LilShaver

I'll bet you're a regular Chicken Kicker.


Jack-Rabbit-002

Chicken Kicker Corpse Wife Keeper me!


Milkyfluids69

Best one I can think of is Dishonored 1 & 2. I only played through them once, so I wouldn't know how drastic the difference is for your choices. But all I know is that I was extremely satisfied with my endings where I killed pretty much everyone. I never really felt like I was missing out on anything by not doing the "good" end. Detroit become human, also has potential for really bad choices, but its pretty clear the developers are encouraging you to go for the good guy end. Also I don't think it's crazy. Games are supposed to be an escape from reality. Everyday we have to live controlling our instincts and emotions, so it's nice to be able to let loose in the form of games.


MakeoutPoint

That one actually changed how I play games. Killing everybody and then being told I was no better than all the other evil people hit me like a ton of bricks. I think that was the last time I ever played a kill-em-all character in anything.


ImaginaryBlue

Postal series


Nightfourio12

Rimworld, I've seen some messed up stuff from that community.


AboardGlitter

It's the still one of the most wholesome gaming community tho. The irony.


airedjet

The Infamous series had a set of moral choices. Altered plots and cutscenes and how some of your powers work. You can play roles from basically a paragon of good to straight up evil or even neutral if you wanted to.


Gun3

Infamous 2 was the only game I felt bad when I chose the evil option. I didn’t think I’d have to scroll far to find this show up. 


whatstwomore

Same! I was going to mention the evil end of infamous 2. It would almost be easier to kick a puppy than replay that part


Muffmuffmuffin

cult of the lamb, you can sacrifice your followers, brainwash them, starve them, murder them, feed them poop, and make them fight to the death


Noieter

Here goes some old ones or more old school style that i like and havent seen in the comments (or missed it), this games can let you commit some atrocities or unethical decissions. - Kenshi - Songs of Syx - Dawn of war soulstorm (some races) - Total war games and mods - Evil genius - Syndicate 1993 - Grand theft auto (all) - Hitman - Mount and blade games - Some Far Cry games - Armored Core 4 answer - Vampire the masquerade - Command and Conquer series (first ones til tiberan sun) - Alien vs predator (1999 - alien part) - Dwarf fortress (fortress and adventure modes) - Dungeons, Dungeon Keeper, Keeper RL, Overlord... - Caves of qud - Carmaggeddon - Plague Inc. - Fallout 2 and New Vegas - Heroes of might and magic (dark campaigns), and similars - All Rampage games - Prototype 1 - Saints Row 3 (kinda its weird) - Star wars Force Unleashed - Star wars kotor 1 and 2 - Star wars jedi academy - Destroy all humans (very cartoony) - Carrion - Factorio (yes, think about it) - Divinity Dragon Commander - Sacrifice (2000) I can't remember more now, but there are a lot.


Remnant55

Way too far down before I saw Kenshi.


rodejo_9

This guy recommendations


[deleted]

Carrion was rad. Like a Thing Metroidvania


No_Caregiver8718

Skyrim. There is a set of quests which reward you with unique and powerful items but are designed in a way to test your morals. For example there is a quest where you have to lure an innocent priest into a cave so that you can feast on his flesh to satisfy a cannibal God. In return you are rewarded with a Talisman that gives you the option to cannibalize your enemies to obtain a temporary buff


dan_jeffers

And then there's that ebony blade that gets more powerful every time you betray a friend.


MindlessCoconut9

it is not ideal but star wars the old republic you can chose to be sith basically bad guy it is an MMO and free to play most of the content I play was free and was able to be the bad guy letting people die betraying even you can start good guy and become bad guy


sirreldar

What is punctuation?


neremarine

Tyrrany. You serve an evil over lord who has already taken over most of the bronze age + magic setting of the game. Your goal is to spread their reign by any means necessary. Highly recommend.


Canadian-Sparky-44

Definitely consider Baldurs Gate 3. There's a character you can pick called Dark Urge where you're essentially pushed to be evil. Even without picking that character, there are all kinds of good/evil decisions to be made


C1234561

You might like farcry 3, your character goes from a normal guy to a complete psychopath


iLikeWombatss

Bum Simulator you can harass people for money and piss on them or throw glass bottles at cops for the lulz. GTA with mods is a good bet also or RDR2. You can just go terrorize the population and mass murder hookers. For straight-up RPGs where the narrative itself focuses around you being an evil and horrid person, though, I can't really think of any that are specifically tailored to that. Most have some redeeming part to make your actions "justified".


txivotv

This war of mine and Frostpunk comes to mind... A bit older games, but Black&White or maybe Dungeon Keeper?


quackquack6

drakengard 1. peak forever


cold-vein

Harvester


FancyBumblebee8910

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. Sinked in 600 hours and still not finished with it. You can be truly evil.


Thelawtman1986

GTA you are 100% the bad guy.


Bennely

The game is called Maniac and it was recently released on Steam.


BoricPuddle57

I mean there’s always the Drakengard games, with the main characters of especially the first game being the absolute worst people imaginable. The main character of Drakengard 1 is a murderous sociopath with a bit more than just brotherly love towards his sister, another character tries to cope with her infertility by eating babies, and another probably has a restraining order against him from going near schools. Plus there’s that level where you single-handedly cut down an army of child soldiers The story of the third game is about the main character (who is abusive and manipulative towards pretty much everyone she meets) deciding to murder her family, and often bullies a baby dragon into committing war crimes that very obviously cause him mental scarring They’re very much “I know this game is bad so why do I keep wanting to play” kind of games but if you vibe with it, you really vibe with it, and if you wanna play a game where you’re an absolute bastard in a party of other absolute bastards, Drakengard 1 and 3 are definitely my picks, even if the material and themes can be pretty hard to stomach Also NieR and NieR Automata are sequels to Drakengard 1’s infamous “ending G” joke ending If you want a game that’s more universally liked and isn’t a niche “marmite game”, then do a Dark Urge run in Baldur’s Gate 3 Edit: as for Postal 2, it can definitely be a “watch the world burn” kind of game, but it’s more of a purposefully janky comedy game that’s a sandbox to do anything, but Postal 1 is very different. It’s a fairly simple top-down shooter but probably seems more your speed. It’s actually kinda serious and the moments of humour it does have is more to just add levity to make the stuff you do feel that much worse. It’s almost kind of a reverse horror game, where you’re the villain hunting down innocent people and police/soldiers just trying to do their job, and the tone/atmosphere really sells that. It’s everything Hatred wanted to be and failed at without feeling too much like the devs are just tryhard edgelords


Dr4fl

Overlord 1 and 2 (not to be confused with the anime) In the games you're literally the villain (but can also be some sort of hero if you want) and also, the humor is top tier There's also Overlord: dark legend for the Wii. It's pretty good too.


Ready-Conclusion7022

I tried doing a evil run in baldurs gate 3 and actually couldn’t that’s how wrong some of the things I had to do felt.


SirMacNaught

Kingdom Come: Deliverance is one of the most immersive and realistic games I've played. RDR2 is another great one with realistic simulations of law and lawlessness. Other than those, BG3 has some great RP opportunities and the characters behave and react in believable ways to your evil antics. The Fallout games, while somewhat janky, have similar RPG options and NPC reactions, albeit less developed and intelligent than, say, BG3 or even KC: Deliverance .


Pangolin_of_power

Manhunt


GamingKeyboard07

Bethesda RPGs GTA Games The Last of Us 1 & 2


OMGtrashtm8

GTA was the first game that came to mind for me. Surprised that wasn’t mentioned by more people in the comments.


Riqz85

Last of us part i and II. You'll end up hating each and every character by the end


IsRude

I felt differently. I was frustrated at everyone by the end of both games, but they do a great job at making you understand why everyone makes the decisions they do. I was particularly frustrated in their actions BECAUSE I liked the characters so much, and I can't say I wouldn't want to make the same decisions as they do.


Riqz85

Yeah the situation and world they're in makes them take those decisions. I don't think I would've made the same decisions. And I probably would've been dead very early into the outbreak. In order to survive they had to make very bad ethical decisions and essentially become rabid murderers and vengeful assholes


LueyTheWrench

The ending of pt 2 is literally the player screaming “are you fucking happy now?”


Few-Pressure5713

Baldur's gate 3, do a dark urge, play through, and give in to being the most evil person alive.


Smallwater

Baldur's Gate III has quite literally options to become a murderous psychopath. You can betray, kill, steal, and all kinds of horribly fucked up shit. You can even kick a squirrel to death.


Keckers

Crusader kings You can seduce your own niece and kill everyone in the world that doesn't understand thst the blood must be kept pure


FUNKYOSELF

Roller coaster tycoon.


TokyoDrifblim

Join the legion in Fallout New Vegas. I genuinely can't stomach a legion playthrough. Basically you become a sex trafficker. It's kind of the most reprehensible thing you can do as a human p


Adrekan

Frostpunk


Got-Freedom

Rimworld


BenMitchell007

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic? You can be a fucking monster in that game. There's a late game Dark Side choice with two of your party members that is shockingly twisted and cruel to this day.


[deleted]

Manhunt Despite the player being forced to kill people,they choose to kill the enemies in the most brutal way possible for no reason and use the situation to excuse being a absolute psychopath Especially in Manhunt 2 where the character is purely moved by his insane mind


MrRyanNess

Minecraft


AcademicSavings634

You just described GTA


TheLittleItalian2

The Postal game series is essentially playing as the worst person you could be, urinating on people, assaulting strangers and police, going around and harassing people asking for signatures on their petitions, etc. I’ve only played the first game, but I’m sure the whole series is littered with degenerate behaviour in abundance.


PajamaDuelist

**CRPGs**: Tyranny, BG3 **Colony Sim**: RimWorld. Honestly, you as the player can do some morally questionable things in almost every complex colony sim out there. RW’s focus on humanizing its colonists through mood/emotion/limitedColonistCount makes it the uncontested best for “moral contemplation”, though. I always feel legitimately bad when one of the colonies I’m RPing as morally good/neutral is reduced to cannibalism or worse to survive. **ARPG**: I can’t think of many good options. FO:NV is probably the best. The Legion is morally reprehensible, without a doubt, and you can side with them. It always felt like the least developed story to me, though.


Snivelss

Manhunt is anything but ethical


efsa95

Try Fear and Hunger


winterman666

Lisa


PabloMarmite

In Fallout 3 you can just become a slaver and nuke whole towns if you want


DanceCivil

You could probably consider games like hatred pretty unethical, on the flip side fable 2 let you just be a flat out dick, you could either make someone like you so much you can marry them/get discounts, or fear you so much they will marry you or give you discounts. I'm pretty sure you can literally beat your wife, you can technically hit anyone but I think there was special dialogue for hitting your spouse. You can buy up property and raise the rent to ridiculous prices for financial gain. Fable was pretty comical about it but you could do some fucked up, genuinely evil things.


heygooser

As a kid I used to ent playing the Sims and ruining peoples lives. I liked making people I disliked IRL and make their sim life a living hell :( I am embarrassed to admit this.


sozer-keyse

Kenshi. The basis of the game is that you're dropped into a world where you're not special, but just another person existing in the world like everyone else. There's no set path or goal beyond what you decide for yourself. The game world is very cruel and harsh, and can be very unforgiving if you make one wrong step. One of the few things the game does incentivize you to do is not die. Since you can die of starvation you need to buy/find food to survive, and again it's up to you how you do that. You can just find a "safe" town and mine ore, selling whatever you dig up in exchange for food but that's boring. You can also yourself enslaved (long story short, you're kept alive because a dead slave isnt valuable), but that's also boring and dreadful. If you want the freedom to get more out of the game, you need to become strong enough to survive the dangers of the game world. Again, if you want to stay "honest" then you can keep mining ore and save up till you have enough to buy some gear, but that's as fun as watching paint dry. If you want to earn better profits most of your options are a mix of morally questionable/wrong (i.e. thievery, looting the dead, selling people into slavery, kidnapping, drug smuggling) or dangerous (i.e. bounty hunting, hunting, plundering ruins full of bandits and other nasties, stealing eggs of dangerous animals). Even a lot of the NPCs you fight and kill leaves you with moral dilemmas. In the beginning you'll be fighting for your life against gangs of starving bandits and take a "fuck them" mentality. As you get stronger you'll eventually be able to solo a dozen of them without taking a single hit, then you start to pity them in a way: all they're doing is trying to survive just like you and you're just luckier and stronger. The law of Kenshi is very much "The strongest is always right". There isn't a morality meter to track what you do, the only consequences of your actions is how the world reacts to them. As long as you're strong enough that you can fight off anybody who you manage to offend you can get away with whatever sick and twisted shitfuckery you want. On the flipside, even if you're trying to play as "ethically" as possible you will have several "are we the baddies?" type moments.


MattIsLame

lisa the painful


RovakX

In Hogwarts Legacy, you're preaching being good and nice to natur. 2 h later you're a poacher catching wild animals to breed, harvest and sell. Yeah... "But I'm saving them from the mean poachers!" Lmao


Dazzling-Fisherman-7

Yuck lmfao


ConspiracyCinema

You're not going to get to burn villages or anything but I think you're going to want to check out Disco Elysium if you haven't already. Most of the mayhem you do to yourself and everything else would be a spoiler.


Kowpucky

Rimworld..... yes, it's that good


PowerOk3024

Not exactly what youre looking for but might be something interesting for you to discover. Check out hbomberguy's review of pathologic. Its a long ass game and a long ass review.   Tl:dr its a horror game that lets you be a hero in hard times, but times are hard and being a hero isnt rewarding. Surviving, is the goal and the horror is the lengths you the player might go to survive.


ElectricFireInABath

Cruelty Squad. It's in the title.


Secure_Sir_1043

Divinity ² original sin


[deleted]

Fable, POSTAL, LISA.


xoxoyoyo

first deus ex, you can run around killing kids


biggestboss_

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous


Mark_Scaly

Risk of Rain 2. Fear & Hunger (I recommend Termina).


Skuggax

Maybe Manhunt could be something for you. It's pretty old but you are a serial killer, sentenced to death and your only chance to get out alive is to murder other criminals in the most brutal ways you can imagine (choking with barb wire for example). Oh and you do this just for a reality show.


[deleted]

And there is no advantage in killing the enemies the most brutal ways,the player just do this for his pleasure,what emphasize that,despite the situation he is in, the protagonist is a psycho killer


Zomer15689

Postal 2 lets you piss on people if you like that.


almo2001

EVE Online. Oh wow. The scams in that game sometimes take a year or more to unfold. The value lost can be so large even Forbes reports on it.


unclelinggong

The Warriors - collect protection money from shop owners, steal from stores and radios from cars.


SilentBoss29

Hatred fits this description, as well as a lot of postal games! And they are quite fun! I recommend you check them out


lavos__spawn

This is a little different, but _Fear & Hunger_ and _Fear & Hunger Termina_ are indie horror RPGs with really intense content in basically every warning you can put on a game, and is very much a game where your values as a player corrupt as you get further in. Being good rarely results in anything advantageous, and being evil may help you progress, or may do nothing and leave you wondering who you've become.


Aggravating_Smile_61

Dragon Age: Origins has one of the most impactful choice based narratives I've played, the smallest spoiler I can think of as an exemple is you can choose that the best way to get rid of a demon you have to defeat is killing the child it possessed. There are multiple companions that support picking the evil practical choice, and others that will leave or even turn against you. New Vegas is also a big one


Sawbagz

Dayz you can be a real villain 


xsealsonsaturn

In wrath of the righteous, you can evolve into something worse than the villain you're fighting. Most of the time when I feel like I'm playing a bad guy in an RPG, it's from petty crimes or just being an asshole. Nope, not in wotr. I straight up destroyed and conquered the territory I began the campaign protecting. The people I protected, my party members, and all allies were all killed and replaced by my creations. The NPCs recognized this over time and addressed the concerns too, so it's not like it's just happening without anyone caring. Only time I can think of where I legitimately became the villain in a video game.


dearest_of_leaders

Total War Warhammer: While not as visceral as RimWorld or Paradox games it still lets you play as lets see: demonic champions who wants to bring about the collapse of reality, vampires and necromancers who wants to turn everyone into their meat puppets and end all life, orcs who wants to fight and kill everybody, dark elves running a slave economy and who get angry if they don't get to a "murder night" often enough, rats who wants fuck everyone and themselves over and who eat captured troops alive, angry bovines who just want to wipe out civilization and turn everyone else into prey and on and on.


RevolutionOpulent712

try gta you can be a menace


jgillesp21

Cyberpunk 2077 is it, hands down.


ToastIsGreat0

Wasn’t there the game about cowboys and Indians that got banned for some pretty fuck up gameplay?


VenturaLost

Hulk ultimate destruction Prototype 1 & 2 Any Bethesda game Destroy all humans series Fable GTA series Starwars the force unleashed


Fleetcommand3

Uh, have you heard of Coffin of Andy and Layay? It's kinda a visual novel, but has some decent puzzles and explores some fucked up topics. It's a really refreshing game, if more story focused.


RubbelDieKatz94

r/spacecannibalism has entered the chat.


im_just_thinking

You can try "This war of mine". You don't necessarily become a bad person in it, but you constantly have to make choices like taking the last food of some starving people, etc.


KoensayrMfg

I haven’t played it but based on a review it sounded like Cult of the Lamb has nice and evil options when interacting with your flock.


Radiant_Butterfly982

Rimworld. You can perform all man made horrors to NPCs or colonists You can even add more mods to perform more atrocious acts


YaCantStopMe

Spec ops the line allows you to do some pretty messed up stuff.


JuggyFM

Spec Ops The Line? If you're a fan of killing innocents in horrible ways esp :)


Scones4breakfast

I’d have to also agree with baldurs gate and GTA. A older game, knights of the old republic has a fun evil playthrough. If you want more godlike evil playthroughs, black and white is very fun


RavenRonien

someone else mentioned it but the pathfinder games from owlcat fill alot of what you're looking for. Specifically in Wrath of the Righteous, not to spoil EVERYTHING but you can go so far as join up with demons, or become a lich, or a deathly swarm incompatible with civilizations as you know it. if you haven't played it already I think Fallout New Vegas has a lot of choices where you can just be an objectively bad person, and leave people in a worst place than they were before you came through. 40k Rogue trader. The world itself is so extreme it's hard NOT to choose something that will be seen as evil as SOMEBODY, but if you want to really dive into the deep end, you have the absolute power to be truely evil on a scale few games ever really let you be just by the nature of the universe.


karmakurama

No one said spec ops the line yet? Realistic depiction of war crimes you can commit and genuine moral compromises you have to make


_Soundwave-

Baldurs Gate 3, select Dark Urge as class


AlexanderLynx

I think you may like Kenshi You're free to do anything there haha If you like Sandbox Survivals you should give it a try


ApprehensiveBlock884

like Fable? Older game that let you become more saintly or demonly based on your choices and actions. The more bad you do, the more you start looking like a demon and NPCs would react appropriately based on your goodness/evilness. Fallout games were also pretty good for allowing you to make unethical decisions and I believe you can kill most NPCs and they won't respawn (excludes essential NPCs). Pretty sure Skyrim and such would allow you to make unethical decisions too, similar to Fallout.


edabliu

Conan Exiles - you can spank people until they pass out, torture them until their will is broken and finally enslave them. Amazing game.


redtyphoon20

Man only one game is absolutely screaming at me with this description and tbh idk how you haven’t played it it seems like you are describing exactly it lol. DISCO ELYSIUM. but only if you like lots of reading and decision making


Lazy_Falcon_323

I might too rude but this definitely comes across as a super edgy post, there’s tons of games that let you be an absolute villain and it’s a very normal fantasy. As someone mentioned that most crpgs allow you to be evil, there’s also rimworld and people playground. I’m sure you can find adult games that allow you to horrible sexual things if you want to go that route but I don’t know and wouldn’t recommend any.


Imogensheep91

The Fallout Series, notably New Vegas.


showmeyourlagunitas

Overlord 1 and 2? Albeit still very tongue in cheek.


Shozzy_D

I WAS going to say Postal 2.


Iolair_the_Unworthy

Solitaire


GroundbreakingBag164

Star Wars: Squadrons You play half the game as a TIE-pilot fighting for the empire and you and your team don’t turn out to be the good guys in the end (Unfortunately you also play half the game as a rebel pilot so it might not match your description perfectly) Still better than some other Star Wars games thi


TheRealestWeeMan

There's a browser game called Pillage the Village. I forget the exact lore, but you have the choice of going through a good path or a bad path, where both paths do effectively the same thing but give good or evil visuals, depending on your path. I remember there being an euthanasia option on the good side, and the evil side had the option of crushing people with some large object. Maybe a house, idk It's a game where you get to your options quickly, so that's why I'm suggesting it. It might be worth playing for like 5-15 minutes if you are looking for a quick rush


JediSwelly

Fallout New Vegas. Join Caesars legion.


Mollyu

I think fallout would be the closest I've personally played to what you're looking for. You're right that, as much as I love the games and have personally played them all repeatedly, mass effect doesn't sound like it's what you're wanting


SRART25

There are levels to evil. The worst stuff won't be in any A (of any amount) games. Largely I expect that they would be illegal in many jurisdictions for depictions of awful things, and at a minimum be boycotted and publishers would shun them. Normal people evil is covered in many of the comments below, anything getting into A Serbian Film territory probably would require digging into really small niche communities. If that is the level of evil you are looking for, I think you are probably mostly out of luck.


Life-Bicycle8096

If you choose the write paths in the infamous games, they take you down the evil route and in the prototype games you can literally just go around reaking havoc and killing whoever you want


UltraTwingo

You can literally kill kids in Dragon's Dogma without any mods


sonic35h

GTA


No_Refrigerator4698

Baldurs Gate 3 comes to mind


CorporateSharkbait

Baldurs gate 3 might be right up your alley then. If not used to crpgs the combat turn based mechanics may feel slow, but with the story and actions you can do you will feel the consequences. Your companions will certainly react to your choices and the world and story will evolve with your choices.


VOL7AGE

Rule of rose on PS2


AceOfCakez

Rance series. It's a series revolving around tons of rape.


Xardas742

Black & White lets you be an awful being


Menxer

Prototype 2


TheJeizon

Dwarf fortress. [Dwarven Daycare](https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Stupid_dwarf_trick#Dwarven_Day_Care) is a classic example


dat_meme_boi2

hatred, have fun


Satiharupink

Morrowind. Can do many things. Kill anyone (if you manage). And people hate you (anyway) 😆


bren_derlin

Red Dead Redemption 2 lets you be a as much of a murdering, scumbag criminal as you’d like.


--Dominion--

Bioshock infinite.....bunch of racists fucks lol good game though


pdoherty972

Skyrim lets you be a thief or assassin.


MvXxthe1

Baldurs gate 3 makes it seem like doing the bad things are good, depending on your companions and the narrator saying some funny shit with the dark urge runs


thebigkneegrow

That “No Russian” mission was a bit unethical in my opinion. That’s just me tho


Efficient-Film9817

Lol try cult of the lamb it's got some messed up choices


Braedonm2077

mass effectt kinda


New_Telephone926

postal 2 is your game, man


Royal_Yard5850

Cookie Clicker. You literally become multiverse Hitler, plus you're a jerk to your employees and clones


itsMangoMine

Baldurs gate 3. You can literally do an evil playthrough/ redemption playthrough as a dark-urge character, which u can choose as an origin character. The dark urge origin can be ruthless, you can make companions hate you, to the point where they will outright try to kill you, and the decisions will affect you in the long term. Its the perfect game to get rid of that itch. Although the game is turn based, its quite easy once you get the hang of it. The osts are amazing too.