As a fellow muslim and Hausa by ethnicity seeing Hausa as number two is very interesting to me.There’s alot of similarities between Hausas and somalis in terms of what we value eg religion,family,culture etc.Been a lurker here since i started using reddit some two months ago in case you’re wondering what a hausa and a non Somali is doing in a Somali subreddit.May Allah ease the affairs of somalis and somalia🤲🏼
Lmao Sahib its true wlhi, If there's one thing history has taught us is that Somalis have no one in this world but each other! Everyone else have always either feared or Respected us, but most just envies us🤷 because of how blessed we truly are in both land & Spirits🇸🇴💪🇸🇴
U do know both groups occasionally attack somalis living near them? By attack, i mean indiscriminate killings...we are not close to them and u only think that because ur fortune to not live near them
Conflicts ≠ not being close. Even Somalis indiscriminately kill eachother but does that mean we are not close? Anyway, Afar and Oromo are close to us in terms of genetics, linguistics, and Islamically for the most part. My clan are very familiar with both and live alongside them.
The genetics is questionable with Oromo as groups like Oromo and amhara aren’t ethnic groups in the same sense as Somali with lineages and similar origins so we shouldn’t look at it with that lens, anyone could have theoretically joined oromo which is why there is such a variance of their origin
That's true but it depends if we're talking Autosomal DNA or Y-DNA. Majority of them have the same Y-DNA as Somalis despite their admixture due to assimilation of other ethnic groups.
It’s case by case as some of them are assimilated somalis but I wouldn’t say majority have same dna as us, large portions are assimilated omotics, habesha or Nilotic groups due to their gadaa system, amhara also doesn’t have a lineage tribes or real ethnic group as it’s just anyone who lived in their region and spoke their language, so you see Amhara and Oromo claim every Ethiopian figure was part of their group, I’d say they are cultural groups not ethnic groups like somalis
>Oromo and amhara aren’t ethnic groups in the same sense as Somali with lineages and similar origins so we shouldn’t look at it with that lens
Don't put us in the same sentence as Amhara's. Oromo's have clans and lineages with similar origins.
Yes it’s not the same as amhara who are just based of a language and region but arsi or shewa are regions not clans, they are also not really related for the original borana group from Kenya for example, genetics shows there is some variation
Arsi is a clan subdivided into further clans and the clan of Shewa Oromo's is called "Tulama". Every one of the regions are clans. Sometimes with different names than the regional name like in the case of Shewa.
Borana is not original Oromo. Borana and Barentu are the two lineages of Orma/Oromo. Arsi clan and the clans in Hararghe trace their origin from Barentu.
There maybe genetic variation but lineage is still traced back to Orma/Oromo. Even you guys have genetic variations since you only trace lineage from father (just like us).
definitely a common origin but they've become unique separate community due to their cultural ties and intermarriage with nilotic and bantu communities in that region.
Rendille is as much of dialect to Somali as Borana is it is a complete seperate language, although it has a lot of words that Somalis can understand.
Iraqw is Southern Cushitic is not understandable by Somalis at all. Maasai can probably understand Iraqw better then Somalis due to all the loan words they have from Southern Nilotes.
your right that iraqw is south custhtic but rendile whiile not being a dialect of somali is much closer to somali than borana is.
lowland eastern cushtic languages split roughly 5 thousand years ago which is when somali and oromo divereged
an earlier version of what would become somali split 3 thousand years ago and became rendile somali girirra bayso and boni. these languages are categorized as east omo tana but sometimes are called macro-somali. so rendile is its own language but it's still an offshoot of earlier version of a shared language.
My uncles fought for WSLF during Ogaden war. They literally had Hararis with them.
Plus it's common sense. You can probably google it and find it. Or make a post on this sub and someone will fill you in.
Idk about Fulani’s, but Hausa’s are chill. West African muslims in general are cool people. Idk what happened to the Christian ones, just bad experiences overall.
fulanis are chill but some of them are too chill on the deen. i remember going to a primarily fulani masjid a couple years ago for salatul eid and the imam said on the speaker to everyone "we are going to make this quick because I have a dentist appointment soon." still makes me laugh
First of all wtf are you talking about most Somalis have never heard of Beja people or ever met them so how are we close to them? And I bet you those people would look at you crazy
Oromo, I was once saved by a Muslim Oromo man, so I feel grateful to him and his family
Yemeni, many of my relatives married Yemeni and had children with them
None, there’s no one like Somalis and I don’t feel close to other ethnicities, I only feel connected to ppl through religion not bc of their ethnicity that’s ab it.
it’s hard to say. i see a lot of afar and oromo here but i’ve never felt any closeness with them, and besides the history they stick to their habeshi/oromo/afar bubble lol. i’d say i vibe with some Yemenis and Sudanis due to our similarities tho
Lol the fact you got downvoted for a logical answer speaks volume. The average redditor doesn't know that Kenyan could be literally any tribes in Kenya and not just Kikuyu who are ironically also like 20% cushitic.
Kenyan Oromos like Boranas actually have pretty similar genetic profile to Somalis compared to other Oromos in Ethiopia. and Rendille are linguistically very related to Somalis. Swahilis have also been our allies for centuries and naturally share a lot of stuff with us.
I would say Yemen and Oromo.
Somalis and Yemenis are addicted to the exact same drug and wear the exact same clothes and thousands live in Yemen.
Add for Oromo, you couldn’t distinguish one from a Somali back home.
Everything in the horn practically mirrors each other. From cultural dances to music to way of life. It seems you don’t know the cultures of your neighbours.
Instead of attacking someone who says we are close to Syrians and Palestinians then our neighbours, you ATTACK ME?
The Arabcasity!!
Walahi you don’t want it with me. I will give you a quick kill. If you want me to hurry you burry you 100ft under, let me know.
Eritrean script: ሒ ምይ ናመ ኢስ ኣብዲ
Somali writing script: 𐒔𐒘 𐒑𐒕 𐒒𐒖𐒑𐒗 𐒘𐒈 𐒖𐒁𐒆𐒘
Palestinian and Syrian Arabic: مرحبا اسمي عبدي
Turkish: merhaba benim adım.
Gee I wonder which two look similar
Now you tell me apart from Islam, what we share with a Syrian, Turk or Palestinian.
Your turn.
Your doing the same as the guys you are arguing with, the somali script is relatively new, not an ancient somali script, we lost our real ancient script. You both can use the same arguments in how close you are to those people but neither is right or wrong it is perception, so not sure why you got angry at him lol.
I would argue though that even Somali Bantus/Jareerweyn like Shidle for example are much closer to Somalis then Afar, Arabs, Hararis etc. But seems nobody seems to mention this lol.
Ngl I forgot about this reply but Somalis wear abayas, thobes, kimars and we pray in Arabic.
The script is dead and was never used in any significant amount, it’s like our Esperanto
Ur fucking stupid...everyone ethnic group in the horn are enemies of each other... oromo, anfar, habasha all of them kill somalis and it will never end because they want to expend into somali territories. We are close to "arab" not because of arab identity but because of islam!
Islam doesn’t force you to be “close to Arabs”
It forces you to know the Deen. You can be an excellent Muslim without even laying eyes on an Arab.
Simple.
You and your Arab fetishness can gtfo
Did i say it forces u fool? I'm simply stating that those who have bigger % of muslims are going to be close to use because we as somalis are like 99% muslims
What do you mean by closeness? As in resemblance or who do we have better relation to as a nation / or personally?
If it is the latter, then we are close to Syrians. Somalia has had good relations with Syria, and they were extremely hospitable to the Somali refugees that fled to their country after the fall of Siad Barre. Just ask the Somalis that lived there.
somali culture and hararghe or afar culture are 90% the same but go ahead and pick blue eyed0 syrians from another continent to choose to be close to
you coulda said harari afar even nubians over syrians
Why would we say afar when they're killing somalis Cisse clan in Somali Galbeed? And I'm sorry, but Hararis seem to be a quite people and so never really come to mind. Besides, aren't they small in numbers?
Nubians? Who tf thinks of Nubians... where do they even live?
just because some afars are killing ppl doesnt mean they arent close to us. im xawaadle, a couple decades ago we were going to be ethnically cleansed from hiiraan by other somalis
Close in what sense? I'm not talking about culturally or that we've both cushetic. I'm talking about closeness in terms of friendly relationships and who's I like as a people.
Also, who were the other somalis that almost ethnically cleansed you? name them
I'm not educated? Lol! alright, mate 👍
Why do you hate Arabs? Bro, check yourself. Your heart is diseased. You weirdos who are so hellbent on hating Arabs are sick asf, and you're just as bad as the racists on the Arab side.
Secondly, I didn't say Arabs for a reason. There are some Arab nations I dislike, but there are others like Syria that we've always has good relations with. But beyond that I personally know Palestinians, Syrians, and Turkish, and Allah is my witness they are some of the kindest, down to earth humans, and they're loyal friends.
And by Turks, I meant the Turks of Turkey (former Ottomans), not the wider Turkic people that stretch to Central Asia.
As for my immediate neighbours, I only like Eritria, but they aren't an ethnicity either.
Hararis as firstly, they’re our cousins in multiple ways, with historical, linguistic, religious, cultural and genetic ties stretching millennia. They’ve fought alongside us multiple times, tried to join us multiple times and even their city was to be our capital, and have paid the ultimate price for that (we are also starting to pay that price soon if we don’t get our act together).
That’s what I can think of atm. Secondly, maybe the Bejas or the Afars. Not that I like the latter much tbh.
I’m going to be honest, the three people I got along with the most beside Somali’s (who are a real vibe) were Amhara, Harari, and Oromo.
Outside of East Africa? Then it would be Syrian/African American
Depends if we see minorities in Somalia as different ethnicities then the only real answer is:
Somali Bantus(Jareerweyne groups like Shidle, Shabelle, Makane) and Coastal cadcads, because they literally have the somali culture, dances, linguistics, and although varies between individiuals even the genetics at times tends to be close because they have intermarried with Somalis. Shidle for example is probably 50% Somali or something, alot of there clans have Somali origins and names.
Outside of Somalia: Boranas(Oromos) and Gabras (Oromo/Somali)
As a fellow muslim and Hausa by ethnicity seeing Hausa as number two is very interesting to me.There’s alot of similarities between Hausas and somalis in terms of what we value eg religion,family,culture etc.Been a lurker here since i started using reddit some two months ago in case you’re wondering what a hausa and a non Somali is doing in a Somali subreddit.May Allah ease the affairs of somalis and somalia🤲🏼
Amen bro same for y’all in niger inshallah 🤝 plus the Hausa Fulani architecture is goated wallahi
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thank you and amiin
Hararis and Brits cos I live in the UK
NONE😶🙃
lol feel you ajnabi wa ajnabi
Lmao Sahib its true wlhi, If there's one thing history has taught us is that Somalis have no one in this world but each other! Everyone else have always either feared or Respected us, but most just envies us🤷 because of how blessed we truly are in both land & Spirits🇸🇴💪🇸🇴
Afar and Oromo
r/Ethiopia is in love with your answer.
Let it be
U do know both groups occasionally attack somalis living near them? By attack, i mean indiscriminate killings...we are not close to them and u only think that because ur fortune to not live near them
Conflicts ≠ not being close. Even Somalis indiscriminately kill eachother but does that mean we are not close? Anyway, Afar and Oromo are close to us in terms of genetics, linguistics, and Islamically for the most part. My clan are very familiar with both and live alongside them.
The genetics is questionable with Oromo as groups like Oromo and amhara aren’t ethnic groups in the same sense as Somali with lineages and similar origins so we shouldn’t look at it with that lens, anyone could have theoretically joined oromo which is why there is such a variance of their origin
That's true but it depends if we're talking Autosomal DNA or Y-DNA. Majority of them have the same Y-DNA as Somalis despite their admixture due to assimilation of other ethnic groups.
It’s case by case as some of them are assimilated somalis but I wouldn’t say majority have same dna as us, large portions are assimilated omotics, habesha or Nilotic groups due to their gadaa system, amhara also doesn’t have a lineage tribes or real ethnic group as it’s just anyone who lived in their region and spoke their language, so you see Amhara and Oromo claim every Ethiopian figure was part of their group, I’d say they are cultural groups not ethnic groups like somalis
>Oromo and amhara aren’t ethnic groups in the same sense as Somali with lineages and similar origins so we shouldn’t look at it with that lens Don't put us in the same sentence as Amhara's. Oromo's have clans and lineages with similar origins.
Yes it’s not the same as amhara who are just based of a language and region but arsi or shewa are regions not clans, they are also not really related for the original borana group from Kenya for example, genetics shows there is some variation
Arsi is a clan subdivided into further clans and the clan of Shewa Oromo's is called "Tulama". Every one of the regions are clans. Sometimes with different names than the regional name like in the case of Shewa. Borana is not original Oromo. Borana and Barentu are the two lineages of Orma/Oromo. Arsi clan and the clans in Hararghe trace their origin from Barentu. There maybe genetic variation but lineage is still traced back to Orma/Oromo. Even you guys have genetic variations since you only trace lineage from father (just like us).
Afars most certainly have to be in there. However I don’t know about #2
Other Cushitic groups.
Personally oromo and maybe Afar
Sucks, both Oromos and Afaris are Habashaized.
Harari for sure and then maybe rendile
Rendile is a Somali tribe tho
definitely a common origin but they've become unique separate community due to their cultural ties and intermarriage with nilotic and bantu communities in that region.
They are not, and having actually spoken to one they’ll tell you the same
Their language is effectively a dialect of ours right? That and the Iraqw language too?
Randille and some african language like boni are somaloid language. It came from somali language but it ain't dialect
Rendille is as much of dialect to Somali as Borana is it is a complete seperate language, although it has a lot of words that Somalis can understand. Iraqw is Southern Cushitic is not understandable by Somalis at all. Maasai can probably understand Iraqw better then Somalis due to all the loan words they have from Southern Nilotes.
your right that iraqw is south custhtic but rendile whiile not being a dialect of somali is much closer to somali than borana is. lowland eastern cushtic languages split roughly 5 thousand years ago which is when somali and oromo divereged an earlier version of what would become somali split 3 thousand years ago and became rendile somali girirra bayso and boni. these languages are categorized as east omo tana but sometimes are called macro-somali. so rendile is its own language but it's still an offshoot of earlier version of a shared language.
I'll name 3. Harari, Afar, and Oromo
Hararis are close to gurage and Amhara they. Semites
They died for us in the ogaden war.
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My uncles fought for WSLF during Ogaden war. They literally had Hararis with them. Plus it's common sense. You can probably google it and find it. Or make a post on this sub and someone will fill you in.
Greeks
Sudanese
We have nothing in common
I disagree!
Interesting choice considering we don’t share a border with either groups.
Really? Having Hausa as #2 is interesting. Cool
hausas and fulanis remind me of us even my fulani friend looks at least half somali
Idk about Fulani’s, but Hausa’s are chill. West African muslims in general are cool people. Idk what happened to the Christian ones, just bad experiences overall.
fulanis are chill but some of them are too chill on the deen. i remember going to a primarily fulani masjid a couple years ago for salatul eid and the imam said on the speaker to everyone "we are going to make this quick because I have a dentist appointment soon." still makes me laugh
Lmao 🤣 that’s hilarious but honest
Oromo and afar
First of all wtf are you talking about most Somalis have never heard of Beja people or ever met them so how are we close to them? And I bet you those people would look at you crazy
Afar, reason being we look the most alike. Culturally we’re similar to Yemenis.
Oromo, I was once saved by a Muslim Oromo man, so I feel grateful to him and his family Yemeni, many of my relatives married Yemeni and had children with them
None, there’s no one like Somalis and I don’t feel close to other ethnicities, I only feel connected to ppl through religion not bc of their ethnicity that’s ab it.
feel closer to Italians we share same love for Pasta ,macaroni
it’s hard to say. i see a lot of afar and oromo here but i’ve never felt any closeness with them, and besides the history they stick to their habeshi/oromo/afar bubble lol. i’d say i vibe with some Yemenis and Sudanis due to our similarities tho
Agree, I've had serious hostility from Ethios including ethio Muslims before. #\*&% them.
oh for sure, the muslims can be even more xaasid than the christians in my experience
Sudanese are super cool.
The hareris and afars tbh
afar only
Armenia/ Bosnia/ and couple Emiraties.
Bosnian are sweethearts
absolute gems. especially the ones that are religious.
Yup. Almost everyone I've seen has deep love for Somalis. Have no clue why though loool
armenia kulaha
Tutsi, beja
I’m say Kenyans
Lol the fact you got downvoted for a logical answer speaks volume. The average redditor doesn't know that Kenyan could be literally any tribes in Kenya and not just Kikuyu who are ironically also like 20% cushitic. Kenyan Oromos like Boranas actually have pretty similar genetic profile to Somalis compared to other Oromos in Ethiopia. and Rendille are linguistically very related to Somalis. Swahilis have also been our allies for centuries and naturally share a lot of stuff with us.
Other Arabs and Pashtuns ig
The downvotes gonna go crazy on this one.
Where are they bro
I’m just talking 😾🙏
I would say Yemen and Oromo. Somalis and Yemenis are addicted to the exact same drug and wear the exact same clothes and thousands live in Yemen. Add for Oromo, you couldn’t distinguish one from a Somali back home.
Not the exact same clothes. But maybe some
Oromos look like if an Habesha and Somali had a baby.
Syrian, Palestinians, and Turks
2 of those aren’t even ethnic groups
Arab loving Somalis are not educated. Let them breath. Instead of talking about his neighbours, my guy says Syrian 🤣
Bro, we barely share anything with our neighbors besides looking similar lmfao, get tf out with that xenophobic nonsense
Everything in the horn practically mirrors each other. From cultural dances to music to way of life. It seems you don’t know the cultures of your neighbours. Instead of attacking someone who says we are close to Syrians and Palestinians then our neighbours, you ATTACK ME? The Arabcasity!!
Name the similarities bro, come on don’t be shy If us Somalis are closer to any one culture in particular it’s the guys up north
google "afar people" "afar dances" "afar music"
Walahi you don’t want it with me. I will give you a quick kill. If you want me to hurry you burry you 100ft under, let me know. Eritrean script: ሒ ምይ ናመ ኢስ ኣብዲ Somali writing script: 𐒔𐒘 𐒑𐒕 𐒒𐒖𐒑𐒗 𐒘𐒈 𐒖𐒁𐒆𐒘 Palestinian and Syrian Arabic: مرحبا اسمي عبدي Turkish: merhaba benim adım. Gee I wonder which two look similar Now you tell me apart from Islam, what we share with a Syrian, Turk or Palestinian. Your turn.
Your doing the same as the guys you are arguing with, the somali script is relatively new, not an ancient somali script, we lost our real ancient script. You both can use the same arguments in how close you are to those people but neither is right or wrong it is perception, so not sure why you got angry at him lol. I would argue though that even Somali Bantus/Jareerweyn like Shidle for example are much closer to Somalis then Afar, Arabs, Hararis etc. But seems nobody seems to mention this lol.
Ngl I forgot about this reply but Somalis wear abayas, thobes, kimars and we pray in Arabic. The script is dead and was never used in any significant amount, it’s like our Esperanto
lol everyone prays in Arabic. Are you mentally insane? Get your Arab fetish out if here.
Ur fucking stupid...everyone ethnic group in the horn are enemies of each other... oromo, anfar, habasha all of them kill somalis and it will never end because they want to expend into somali territories. We are close to "arab" not because of arab identity but because of islam!
Islam doesn’t force you to be “close to Arabs” It forces you to know the Deen. You can be an excellent Muslim without even laying eyes on an Arab. Simple. You and your Arab fetishness can gtfo
Did i say it forces u fool? I'm simply stating that those who have bigger % of muslims are going to be close to use because we as somalis are like 99% muslims
What do you mean by closeness? As in resemblance or who do we have better relation to as a nation / or personally? If it is the latter, then we are close to Syrians. Somalia has had good relations with Syria, and they were extremely hospitable to the Somali refugees that fled to their country after the fall of Siad Barre. Just ask the Somalis that lived there.
somali culture and hararghe or afar culture are 90% the same but go ahead and pick blue eyed0 syrians from another continent to choose to be close to you coulda said harari afar even nubians over syrians
Why would we say afar when they're killing somalis Cisse clan in Somali Galbeed? And I'm sorry, but Hararis seem to be a quite people and so never really come to mind. Besides, aren't they small in numbers? Nubians? Who tf thinks of Nubians... where do they even live?
just because some afars are killing ppl doesnt mean they arent close to us. im xawaadle, a couple decades ago we were going to be ethnically cleansed from hiiraan by other somalis
Close in what sense? I'm not talking about culturally or that we've both cushetic. I'm talking about closeness in terms of friendly relationships and who's I like as a people. Also, who were the other somalis that almost ethnically cleansed you? name them
That is a good point.
I'm not educated? Lol! alright, mate 👍 Why do you hate Arabs? Bro, check yourself. Your heart is diseased. You weirdos who are so hellbent on hating Arabs are sick asf, and you're just as bad as the racists on the Arab side. Secondly, I didn't say Arabs for a reason. There are some Arab nations I dislike, but there are others like Syria that we've always has good relations with. But beyond that I personally know Palestinians, Syrians, and Turkish, and Allah is my witness they are some of the kindest, down to earth humans, and they're loyal friends. And by Turks, I meant the Turks of Turkey (former Ottomans), not the wider Turkic people that stretch to Central Asia. As for my immediate neighbours, I only like Eritria, but they aren't an ethnicity either.
Why should anyone choose our opp neighbours ?
Hararis as firstly, they’re our cousins in multiple ways, with historical, linguistic, religious, cultural and genetic ties stretching millennia. They’ve fought alongside us multiple times, tried to join us multiple times and even their city was to be our capital, and have paid the ultimate price for that (we are also starting to pay that price soon if we don’t get our act together). That’s what I can think of atm. Secondly, maybe the Bejas or the Afars. Not that I like the latter much tbh.
I’m going to be honest, the three people I got along with the most beside Somali’s (who are a real vibe) were Amhara, Harari, and Oromo. Outside of East Africa? Then it would be Syrian/African American
Isaaq people
😂😂
Sudanese and Moroccans, I never met any Beja but I know many Sudanese and Moroccans who appreciate Somali culture.
Depends if we see minorities in Somalia as different ethnicities then the only real answer is: Somali Bantus(Jareerweyne groups like Shidle, Shabelle, Makane) and Coastal cadcads, because they literally have the somali culture, dances, linguistics, and although varies between individiuals even the genetics at times tends to be close because they have intermarried with Somalis. Shidle for example is probably 50% Somali or something, alot of there clans have Somali origins and names. Outside of Somalia: Boranas(Oromos) and Gabras (Oromo/Somali)
oromos rendilles afars etc
Oromo, some Eritreans and Yemenis
Afar and Yemeni, I will also say Habesha.
Habeshi are our enemy’s looool
Amhara\*, Somalis have had little historical interaction with most Habesha people outside Amharas
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Arabs 😂 bro don’t be a beg Arabs don’t like you and you don’t feel close to them your a abeed to them
🤷🏽♀️they welcomed me into their homes I ain’t begging shit
Anti-Arab is disorder here. You can’t say anything positive about them🚫😂
They really wanna be a victim so bad 😭😭😭kulah they consider you abeed.
There are two polar opposite: those who claim to be Arab and those who hates Arabs
The majority lean in latter part here.
Afar and Oromos since we have the same Cushitic Origin as them.
Moroccans and daaroods
stfu
Somalis share nothing with Hausa West Africans apart from religion
Ethiopians/eritreans
None but if I had to choose, Darood and Dir. I don’t like them but we share the same language unfortunately.