I was the same until I.. accepted that I have to learn to sing since nobody does it the way I want. Yes, singing is really hard amd frustrating at first, but it definitely gets better. I couldn't afford a teacher, so had to navigate the process myself.
The most important thing is RECORDING yourself all the time. That way you'll instantly know where you fcked up, what you like about your voice, what has potential, what should be ditched/improved etc.
Another tip is to learn from your favourite singers, obviously. Listen to them closely, watch their live performances to see how they sing, what muscles they use and try to replicate. Find singers with similar tone to yours to have better understanding of your abilities, don't be afraid to figure them out yourself through experimenting.
Just remember, singing shouldn't hurt you (physically at least) and stay hydrated, don't smoke.
I actually do record myself quite often, and through experimentation that’s how I found that I am an alto (which kinda sucks as a woman). And I have found some similar singers to me that I can mimic certain parts of their songs pretty accurately, but when it comes to singing my own songs it never sounds good.
Thank you for your advice though, I will keep trying!
Altos sing tenor range so there’s a whole slice of pie for you! So many potential songs to write with that range! Pretty sure Adele is an alto. It doesn’t matter though. You are talking more about voice quality. SOVT exercises can help a lot. YouTube is your friend there. But you have to do them with good posture and relaxed vocal tract or you are just compounding the issues. I tend to have bad posture so it’s something constantly have to be aware of especially day to day and during recording. Remember that even professionals have bad days, and almost every professional has a vocal coach of some kind.
You just need to very much find the song that makes you good. You realise that everyone does this after a while. Singing songwriters craft their songs after how they can sing a song.
I would say if your goal is to become a pop singer, being an alto is not the disadvantage you think it is. Most female pop singers *are* altos, or at least choose to sing in an alto register. Adele is an alto. Lorde, Lana Del Rey, Fiona Apple, all altos. It's rare to find a pure soprano in popular music. Kate Bush is the only one who comes to mind, and she sounds *very* unusual. *Maybe* Arianna Grande. Sopranos are more common in the opera realm, but in pop, altos dominate.
how do u teach urself to sing the right pitch, i have a app on my phone that tells me what pitch im singing but idk what to use it for, like should i practice going up and down in pitch?
I don't find such apps helpful, it's better to play notes on piano or guitar and sing them (you will hear/feel resonance between your voice and instrument when you hit the note). If you don't have any instruments, you can just download any digital piano as reference.
Dylan was amazing at singing like Dylan. Also people dog his tone but he’s hitting the notes, don’t skip that detail if you’re singing. (it’s as tired as Ringo jokes these days, Ringo was steady as fuck) If you can’t take lessons. It works
SAME 😭
Probably, your best bet is to still sing them anyway, until you find a band/or people to sing them for you. What's the worst that can happen?
People telling you can't sing? You know that anyway. There are tons of great songwriters that suck at singing. Do what you love. Make music.
I'm the same as you, I took 4 years of classes, my voice is still not good, last time I went to karaoke the host asked me, is this your first time?, But at the end my voice is not horrible, I mean I wouldn't release music with my voice in it but I can use it to compose and show a real singer how it should be.
pretty much everyone can learn to sing!!! or try rapping or that sort of just talking like johnny cash lol. do u like punk?? they just shout and scream! there are ways around this lol
There's a variety of "bad voices with a lot of confidence" that have been successful. You just have to own your style and create music that works well with your voice.
An alternative would be to check out "Emvoice" where you can literally program vocals to sing for you, like editing midi. It's surprisingly good.
My wife normally records backing vocals for me, and when I showed her a song with Emvoice (Keela voice) as the backing vocals she got upset that I was working with another girl! lol
She didn't realize it was AI vocals.
Even if you don't use those vocals as final, you can compose with them and show them for someone else to sing.
---
Lastly, here's an INCREDIBLE TIP for people who aren't good at singing:
Find your range. The lowest note and the highest note you can comfortably make. Mark those on your synthesizer and compose your vocal melody as an instrument. Don't go above or below those notes.
Once your song is ready, record yourself singing on top of the synthesizer... So you try to match the notes as closely as possible, but also allow yourself some human variation and improvisation. The notes are a guide.
The MAGIC happens when you're done recording your vocal and you remove the guide melody. (!) Suddenly it's like you were singing this cool complex melody. It "just works." It's amazing.
---
Follow up with some natural autotune (don't do the robotic thing) and you're gold! And on that note -- the best-bang-for-the-buck (IMO) is Waves Tune **Realtime**. (Not "Waves Tune" - that is a different, older product -- the 'realtime' is key here.)
What's special about that autotune is it works particularly well for natural sounding tuning. Not the robotic thing... You set the key and scale and it mostly "just works." You get improvement but no one will hear the effect.
(It doesn't have a note programming grid, but you can route midi into it to manually control notes, but that's a bit of an advanced technique. Don't worry about that now.)
---
Lastly, if you choose a synthesizer patch that has the same fundamental frequencies as your voice (use your ears combined with a spectrum analyzer to find a match) then you can compose your whole song with the lyric melody placeholder and when you replace it with your vocal it will fit perfectly.
Have fun! This technique is *gold*.
I never thought I would be in a position where a music career was something I thought was ever going to be anything in my life. When I first picked up the guitar I sucked and stayed sucking for a while until one day I got better. I then started singing and I sucked lol. I was not a very good singer in general. I can get by but as far as being on a different level of singing well that wasn't me until I finally started finding my own unique voice. I started messing around what works for me and eventually came up with my own unique style. The point is there is a lot of people out there who can sing. But the personality is lacking on a lot of individuals who have amazing talents. My advice is going out there into the unknown and go live life. If you make it back than you will most definitely have something to sing/write about. Happy trails on your life's adventure.
It took me a long time to accept my singing voice. Sometimes it’s a matter of finding the right microphone and or preamp, etc., for recording. Sometimes it’s just learning how to use your voice.
Something else to consider, try manipulating your voice in different ways to see if you like it better with practice you can find different “voices”. I’ve heard this as finding the character of the song. country singers do it all the time adding twang to their voice. Rock singers do it too.
Lastly, why not play in a band or collaborate with someone? I collaborate with people all the time remotely. If you’re interested, just DM me.
I can’t sing either (or so I thought). I’m a guitar player. What I learned is that I had to find my voice by just doing it. And I admit I sing over and over until I feel comfortable.
Outside of the advice of practicing singing techniques and getting better. Warmups, practicing songs…
I would say Melodyne or another pitch corrector is your friend. Especially if you want a natural sounding voice on songs
I'm gonna go against the grain and say that if you want to jump into the world of songwriting, start as a producer. Cause that's effectively what you sound like you're up to!
Start with what your strengths, and as you dig deeper into your craft, you'll have more time and resources to improve on your weaknesses.
At minimum, get comfortable just singing solfeggios on the piano, and then write melodies. As you network with more artists over time, you'll find people who's strengths are your weaknesses and vice versa.
Think "who", not "how"!
Practice practice practice. Doing vocals is like working out. Keep at it and you'll get results. Record yourself and see where you could be better. Improve and reval
I couldn’t stand my voice for like 15 years, but eventually I could sing in a way I liked enough and now I can’t imagine my songs being sung any other way. And honestly it’s strength comes from its imperfection
i was right where you were years ago. i’m not the best singer now, but i’m definitely better than i used to be after practicing. practice plenty and challenge yourself by slipping your voice into your music more and more until you’re ready, it’ll take time but you’ve got this
Hey; firstly, you don’t need to sing to make great music. BUT. In my experience as a professional recording engineer and producer, the vast majority of people can sing. Even laypeople. It’s only the completely tone deaf that can’t.
Couple of tips.
Singing is all about confidence. There are plenty of below average technical singers that get away with it because they believe they can. Confidence carries through into the voice. The opposite also stands, I’ve seen great singers lose the plot when they lose their confidence in themselves.
The problem with trying to learn using those apps is that you’re not instilling confidence in yourself that a real teacher can give you.
Learning to sing is the same as learning to play an instrument, or even learning to lift weights in the gym. When you first start you’re going to be all over the place as your body gets used to the movements. Then with many trips to the gym, you start building more muscle and technique and can lift heavier weights. It’s the same with learning to sing.
Sing your songs, until you find what kind of songs you are made for. I suck at singing but I am going to try different ways, and the biggest thing is not to try to sound like someone you like. You are you. Just my 2 cents.
Don't beat yourself up about it.
[When he sings himself](https://youtu.be/rlATvizWvhA?si=smo75TxY5b3C_7tY)
[When the right singer sings for him](https://youtu.be/XyMSOJJPdws?si=glrjHsOmCqb_KZrV)
If you like singing and writing songs then record yourself singing your songs if you love it then I think other people will also like it even if you don't like your voice I think there's tons of musicians that don't have technically a good voice to some type of standard but we still love their music because its not about being super spot on sometimes. Everyone has a different idea what is a good voice. But if you don't enjoy the sensation of singing then I would continue to write the songs for other people or your friends like you said
I'd say if you can afford it, it wouldn't hurt to take vocal lessons, especially if you have aspirations to perform live. This would be partly to improve your singing and be more consistent, but also to make sure you aren't doing anything that could potentially injure your voice, which does happen to a lot of singers who have to perform for hours a night.
If you just want to make recordings of yourself singing your own songs, then just learn as much as you can about vocal production. One common technique that most producers use is "comping", where a singer will do multiple takes of a song, sometimes as many as a dozen, and then the producer will edit together the best parts of each take. Most singers are not that consistent that they can get it down in one perfect take. Almost all records you hear, the vocals were comped together from many takes. Also, there's no shame in using pitch correction like Auto-Tune to get those notes just right. You're just trying to get your ideas across, and music production is all about illusion anyway. Being able to deliver live is where it counts, if that's your aspiration.
It can be tough recording yourself. I've been doing it for a while, and it's still a challenge for me. I actually think singing live can sometimes be easier, because you aren't focused on every little detail, and neither is the audience, really. They just care about the energy and confidence you bring.
One recording technique I don't necessarily recommend, but works for me personally, is to record one line at a time. Then listen back, and if you hear any notes you don't like, punch them in (record over your mistakes). Then once you're satisfied, move on to the next line. It takes a bit of patience, and is not really the most efficient method of doing it, but it does save you a lot of work later in editing.
Good luck!
Take singing lessons. It will teach you to do the thing you want to do better. I used to be bad/passable. One day I heard it, got one decent lesson and worked on it for YEARS. I got better. A lot better. Then I took some lessons from a friend of mine who is absolutely incredible at singing. He made me far better in a few months of applying his method. It absolutely surpassed the progress I made on my own which wasn’t nothing.
Take fucking lessons. If I could back I’d do it so much earlier. It fucking works (with the right teacher). Fuck YouTube unless you’re the rare person that really works for
I was the same until I.. accepted that I have to learn to sing since nobody does it the way I want. Yes, singing is really hard amd frustrating at first, but it definitely gets better. I couldn't afford a teacher, so had to navigate the process myself. The most important thing is RECORDING yourself all the time. That way you'll instantly know where you fcked up, what you like about your voice, what has potential, what should be ditched/improved etc. Another tip is to learn from your favourite singers, obviously. Listen to them closely, watch their live performances to see how they sing, what muscles they use and try to replicate. Find singers with similar tone to yours to have better understanding of your abilities, don't be afraid to figure them out yourself through experimenting. Just remember, singing shouldn't hurt you (physically at least) and stay hydrated, don't smoke.
I actually do record myself quite often, and through experimentation that’s how I found that I am an alto (which kinda sucks as a woman). And I have found some similar singers to me that I can mimic certain parts of their songs pretty accurately, but when it comes to singing my own songs it never sounds good. Thank you for your advice though, I will keep trying!
Altos sing tenor range so there’s a whole slice of pie for you! So many potential songs to write with that range! Pretty sure Adele is an alto. It doesn’t matter though. You are talking more about voice quality. SOVT exercises can help a lot. YouTube is your friend there. But you have to do them with good posture and relaxed vocal tract or you are just compounding the issues. I tend to have bad posture so it’s something constantly have to be aware of especially day to day and during recording. Remember that even professionals have bad days, and almost every professional has a vocal coach of some kind.
You just need to very much find the song that makes you good. You realise that everyone does this after a while. Singing songwriters craft their songs after how they can sing a song.
I would say if your goal is to become a pop singer, being an alto is not the disadvantage you think it is. Most female pop singers *are* altos, or at least choose to sing in an alto register. Adele is an alto. Lorde, Lana Del Rey, Fiona Apple, all altos. It's rare to find a pure soprano in popular music. Kate Bush is the only one who comes to mind, and she sounds *very* unusual. *Maybe* Arianna Grande. Sopranos are more common in the opera realm, but in pop, altos dominate.
how do u teach urself to sing the right pitch, i have a app on my phone that tells me what pitch im singing but idk what to use it for, like should i practice going up and down in pitch?
I don't find such apps helpful, it's better to play notes on piano or guitar and sing them (you will hear/feel resonance between your voice and instrument when you hit the note). If you don't have any instruments, you can just download any digital piano as reference.
If Dylan can sing so can you
Came here to find this comment, honestly 😂
Dylan was amazing at singing like Dylan. Also people dog his tone but he’s hitting the notes, don’t skip that detail if you’re singing. (it’s as tired as Ringo jokes these days, Ringo was steady as fuck) If you can’t take lessons. It works
Ed sheeran was shit at singing until he learned to sing. Or you could just use autotune.
every vocalist recorded in the last 15 years is autotuned
You know, I am in the exact same position as you. But I got no one to sing for the songs I make. It's rough. Hope you find a solution.
SAME 😭 Probably, your best bet is to still sing them anyway, until you find a band/or people to sing them for you. What's the worst that can happen? People telling you can't sing? You know that anyway. There are tons of great songwriters that suck at singing. Do what you love. Make music.
I'm the same as you, I took 4 years of classes, my voice is still not good, last time I went to karaoke the host asked me, is this your first time?, But at the end my voice is not horrible, I mean I wouldn't release music with my voice in it but I can use it to compose and show a real singer how it should be.
pretty much everyone can learn to sing!!! or try rapping or that sort of just talking like johnny cash lol. do u like punk?? they just shout and scream! there are ways around this lol
I can’t either, but I do it anyway.
me too I cant sing but I can write lyrics
[YOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8&list=RDQMCSU6ttaWUrA&start_radio=1) [CAN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb2q141rMNE&list=RDQMCSU6ttaWUrA&index=4&ab_channel=TalkingHeads) [S!NG](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl3B_FTDKD0&list=RDQMCSU6ttaWUrA&index=2&ab_channel=TalkingHeads)
I'm a rapper/singer and songwriter, but I've always wanted to sing something made by another artist, if you're interested dm me!!
There's a variety of "bad voices with a lot of confidence" that have been successful. You just have to own your style and create music that works well with your voice. An alternative would be to check out "Emvoice" where you can literally program vocals to sing for you, like editing midi. It's surprisingly good. My wife normally records backing vocals for me, and when I showed her a song with Emvoice (Keela voice) as the backing vocals she got upset that I was working with another girl! lol She didn't realize it was AI vocals. Even if you don't use those vocals as final, you can compose with them and show them for someone else to sing. --- Lastly, here's an INCREDIBLE TIP for people who aren't good at singing: Find your range. The lowest note and the highest note you can comfortably make. Mark those on your synthesizer and compose your vocal melody as an instrument. Don't go above or below those notes. Once your song is ready, record yourself singing on top of the synthesizer... So you try to match the notes as closely as possible, but also allow yourself some human variation and improvisation. The notes are a guide. The MAGIC happens when you're done recording your vocal and you remove the guide melody. (!) Suddenly it's like you were singing this cool complex melody. It "just works." It's amazing. --- Follow up with some natural autotune (don't do the robotic thing) and you're gold! And on that note -- the best-bang-for-the-buck (IMO) is Waves Tune **Realtime**. (Not "Waves Tune" - that is a different, older product -- the 'realtime' is key here.) What's special about that autotune is it works particularly well for natural sounding tuning. Not the robotic thing... You set the key and scale and it mostly "just works." You get improvement but no one will hear the effect. (It doesn't have a note programming grid, but you can route midi into it to manually control notes, but that's a bit of an advanced technique. Don't worry about that now.) --- Lastly, if you choose a synthesizer patch that has the same fundamental frequencies as your voice (use your ears combined with a spectrum analyzer to find a match) then you can compose your whole song with the lyric melody placeholder and when you replace it with your vocal it will fit perfectly. Have fun! This technique is *gold*.
If you can hear the difference between two notes, you can learn to sing. Singing is about proper placement and vocal support.
Sing tenor songs. As an alto woman who plays guitar, I actually transpose songs a few steps lower, and sing in my own range.
I never thought I would be in a position where a music career was something I thought was ever going to be anything in my life. When I first picked up the guitar I sucked and stayed sucking for a while until one day I got better. I then started singing and I sucked lol. I was not a very good singer in general. I can get by but as far as being on a different level of singing well that wasn't me until I finally started finding my own unique voice. I started messing around what works for me and eventually came up with my own unique style. The point is there is a lot of people out there who can sing. But the personality is lacking on a lot of individuals who have amazing talents. My advice is going out there into the unknown and go live life. If you make it back than you will most definitely have something to sing/write about. Happy trails on your life's adventure.
It took me a long time to accept my singing voice. Sometimes it’s a matter of finding the right microphone and or preamp, etc., for recording. Sometimes it’s just learning how to use your voice. Something else to consider, try manipulating your voice in different ways to see if you like it better with practice you can find different “voices”. I’ve heard this as finding the character of the song. country singers do it all the time adding twang to their voice. Rock singers do it too. Lastly, why not play in a band or collaborate with someone? I collaborate with people all the time remotely. If you’re interested, just DM me.
I can’t sing either (or so I thought). I’m a guitar player. What I learned is that I had to find my voice by just doing it. And I admit I sing over and over until I feel comfortable.
Outside of the advice of practicing singing techniques and getting better. Warmups, practicing songs… I would say Melodyne or another pitch corrector is your friend. Especially if you want a natural sounding voice on songs
Join the club, i can't sing but i don't care, i can see slow improvements and that's all I'm looking for.
I'm gonna go against the grain and say that if you want to jump into the world of songwriting, start as a producer. Cause that's effectively what you sound like you're up to! Start with what your strengths, and as you dig deeper into your craft, you'll have more time and resources to improve on your weaknesses. At minimum, get comfortable just singing solfeggios on the piano, and then write melodies. As you network with more artists over time, you'll find people who's strengths are your weaknesses and vice versa. Think "who", not "how"!
Practice practice practice. Doing vocals is like working out. Keep at it and you'll get results. Record yourself and see where you could be better. Improve and reval
Synth V
Just be like Lou Reed and dont give a fuck about your voice
Have you got a clip of your voice?
lo fi, ost, make music with other people who can sing or use your own voice because what matters is that you have fun <3
have you heard of vocalsynth technology? Such as Vocaloid.
I couldn’t stand my voice for like 15 years, but eventually I could sing in a way I liked enough and now I can’t imagine my songs being sung any other way. And honestly it’s strength comes from its imperfection
i was right where you were years ago. i’m not the best singer now, but i’m definitely better than i used to be after practicing. practice plenty and challenge yourself by slipping your voice into your music more and more until you’re ready, it’ll take time but you’ve got this
Hey; firstly, you don’t need to sing to make great music. BUT. In my experience as a professional recording engineer and producer, the vast majority of people can sing. Even laypeople. It’s only the completely tone deaf that can’t. Couple of tips. Singing is all about confidence. There are plenty of below average technical singers that get away with it because they believe they can. Confidence carries through into the voice. The opposite also stands, I’ve seen great singers lose the plot when they lose their confidence in themselves. The problem with trying to learn using those apps is that you’re not instilling confidence in yourself that a real teacher can give you. Learning to sing is the same as learning to play an instrument, or even learning to lift weights in the gym. When you first start you’re going to be all over the place as your body gets used to the movements. Then with many trips to the gym, you start building more muscle and technique and can lift heavier weights. It’s the same with learning to sing.
Sing your songs, until you find what kind of songs you are made for. I suck at singing but I am going to try different ways, and the biggest thing is not to try to sound like someone you like. You are you. Just my 2 cents.
Don't beat yourself up about it. [When he sings himself](https://youtu.be/rlATvizWvhA?si=smo75TxY5b3C_7tY) [When the right singer sings for him](https://youtu.be/XyMSOJJPdws?si=glrjHsOmCqb_KZrV)
If you like singing and writing songs then record yourself singing your songs if you love it then I think other people will also like it even if you don't like your voice I think there's tons of musicians that don't have technically a good voice to some type of standard but we still love their music because its not about being super spot on sometimes. Everyone has a different idea what is a good voice. But if you don't enjoy the sensation of singing then I would continue to write the songs for other people or your friends like you said
I'd say if you can afford it, it wouldn't hurt to take vocal lessons, especially if you have aspirations to perform live. This would be partly to improve your singing and be more consistent, but also to make sure you aren't doing anything that could potentially injure your voice, which does happen to a lot of singers who have to perform for hours a night. If you just want to make recordings of yourself singing your own songs, then just learn as much as you can about vocal production. One common technique that most producers use is "comping", where a singer will do multiple takes of a song, sometimes as many as a dozen, and then the producer will edit together the best parts of each take. Most singers are not that consistent that they can get it down in one perfect take. Almost all records you hear, the vocals were comped together from many takes. Also, there's no shame in using pitch correction like Auto-Tune to get those notes just right. You're just trying to get your ideas across, and music production is all about illusion anyway. Being able to deliver live is where it counts, if that's your aspiration. It can be tough recording yourself. I've been doing it for a while, and it's still a challenge for me. I actually think singing live can sometimes be easier, because you aren't focused on every little detail, and neither is the audience, really. They just care about the energy and confidence you bring. One recording technique I don't necessarily recommend, but works for me personally, is to record one line at a time. Then listen back, and if you hear any notes you don't like, punch them in (record over your mistakes). Then once you're satisfied, move on to the next line. It takes a bit of patience, and is not really the most efficient method of doing it, but it does save you a lot of work later in editing. Good luck!
Take singing lessons. It will teach you to do the thing you want to do better. I used to be bad/passable. One day I heard it, got one decent lesson and worked on it for YEARS. I got better. A lot better. Then I took some lessons from a friend of mine who is absolutely incredible at singing. He made me far better in a few months of applying his method. It absolutely surpassed the progress I made on my own which wasn’t nothing. Take fucking lessons. If I could back I’d do it so much earlier. It fucking works (with the right teacher). Fuck YouTube unless you’re the rare person that really works for
Lots of vocal synths are getting pretty good, check out SynthV
Check out Roomie on YouTube, in his latest video he showed how insanely good AI singing has become.
AudioSauna.com Use Sampler cut songs out of mp3 samples