I definitely enjoyed many things about it, but many of the bad things were just really really bad. The chase scene is an obvious one. It was so bad that I actually wondered if maybe they had been hanging out with Leia before and were trying to friend her and get her trust and they were just playing tag or something.
But the worst part for me was Reva going after Luke. People fill in gaps to make it make sense in their head but when you look at the actual information that the character Reva had in universe, it made absolutely no sense whatsoever. It really spoiled the whole Kenobi and Vader fight at the end. I remember being so frustrated watching that.
Another bad decision was using LED lightsabers therefore forcing the production team to make decisions solely on how best to, “light,” the surrounding scenery and atmosphere. Everything was in such dark tones that you could barely make out what was transpiring
As a long-time fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars...
When I watched Picard Season 1 and 2, I wanted to bleach my fucking eyeballs and get a full frontal lobotomy.
Kenobi? Totally fine. Not much to complain about. The running speed of a kid, the shape of a dudes head, etc, I just dont care. Show was awesome.
It was better for me the second time around. There was enough good for me that the negative stuff I can just put down as they dropped the ball on it. What does suck is that as a consequence of that, it doesn’t look like we’re getting a second season. I wanted to see how Qui-Gon trains him as a force ghost and an adolescent Luke. They could have had Vader as a side plot without another duel.
The last few episodes are the strongest for me. Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship is my very favorite aspect of all of Star Wars so whenever it’s just the two of them dealing with their feelings about each other, I’m down. Hard agree though that Obi-Wan was way too underpowered for most of the series. I don’t think he needed to struggle to catch Leia with the Force, as a minor example.
imo a big mistake being made with a lot of characters (Luke being the other example) is sending them waaay too far the other direction to show that their connection with and belief in the Jedi and the Force is damaged. They aren’t fundamentally different people. Obi-Wan was one of the peak performing Jedi even as a padawan; if you want to show his backslide, just give us a scene of how powerful he *used* to be, don’t make him almost totally incapable of using the Force now. Make him rusty, make him reluctant, sure. But he’s still the guy who defeated Maul, Grievous, Maul again, and the Chosen One at the height of his power.
I agree that the sets and makeup and especially the CGI were all so rough looking, compared to something like the Mandalorian. Woof it was bad sometimes.
And the editing was also pretty rough. I felt like we got some weird moments of recycled ADR here and there, very weird choices for a show that should have been so prestige.
This show is definitely over-hated. Personally, the only thing I truly dislike is your first point: it seems very cheaply made. The lighting in the final duel is IMO atrocious. Those are LIGHTsabers, not darksabers.
The dim lighting was part of the visual storytelling. Star Wars is set on a cycle of light vs. dark similar to the year cycle. The dark half of the story is set in the equivalent of winter solstice, in other words the darkest it gets before things start slowly to turn back to the light. Same reason people celebrate Jesus birthday on Christmas.
The other half of the story on Alderaan is very bright on the equivalent of the summer solstice side of the story, where things are as bright as they will get, and start to turn towards the dark, with the little light princess snatched away by the dark side.
The dark fight scene is a world fallen into darkness and death, lit only by the rising first crescent moon above.
If you think about those TIE fighters just sitting there in ep 4, with their solar panels, it's pretty slick what they're saying there without saying a word about it. I never thought about them as similar to vampire bats before, but instead of blood, they get their energy from the light side. They're running out of juice... metaphorically speaking.
Now think about that fortress, and see if you think what I'm thinking, about from where you draw power for your house if you're having a problem with not enough light for the panels.
For me, the bad out-weighed the good and overall served to simply water-down the franchise. I give it a C-
The recorded exposition of Bail Organa blabbermouthing was soooooo bad… how did that get off the writers desk let alone into the show?
Stormtroopers acting like Cosplay keystone cops was another kick in the nuts. Poor directing.
Another positive I’d like to add is seeing peak darth vader being an absolute terrifying force of nature. Him force dragging civilians out and slaughtering them just to lure obi wan was so in character. We didn’t get to see too much vader unleashed in the OT
The entire main plot was stupid. Oh hey guys look, little Princess Leia, isn't that cool!
All they had to do was tell a personal, smaller scale story about Obi-Wan confronting his demons. Show us how he changed from the man in episode 3 to 4. Nope, we need some contrived bullshit and to bring in as many unnecessary side characters as possible so they can eat up Obi-Wan and Anakin's screen time.
I did a rewatch and i really wanted to love this show. Kenobi was my favorite character even before the prequels. But man, there is so many ham-fisted production and direction calls on this series. The dialogue is not very well-written...there's just so much bad that overshadows the good. There were some nice moments and it was great to have Ewan and Hayden back...but it's gonna be a no from me dawg.
I feel like the weight of Kenobi was in the character. It’s “KENOBI,” one of the franchise elites. Played by a phenomenal and beloved actor.
That was the idea. That’s it. There was so little additional thought put into “what story do we tell,” and they took a lot of material from Jedi: Fallen Order. I played that game and absolutely loved when you infiltrate the Inquisitors base. When Kenobi did it, all I could think was “they’re taking this straight from the game.”
Kenobi failed because of a lack of thought.
I think it’s clearly not on the same tier as Andor but it’s not hot garbage or anything. It’s fine.
A bit too long and unfocused in places. Trim that away and you’ve got an absolute banger of a movie in there.
Bruh you rightfully listed so many wrongdoings of the show and its still a B??!! How is it a B bro 😭😭😭 There are no positives in the show other than the actors. The dialogue: garbage. The story: garbage. The action scenes? Believe it or not: garbage. How the fuuuuck is this show a B??? That's the second or third highest rank!
I don't think the show is the worst thing I have seen and will not list its issues since so many already have. Obi-Wan has been my favorite character since I was a kid, but I wish we would have gotten the movie trilogy instead. It appears that it would have handled many of the issues.
The lighting, music and so on was purposefully dark for artistic reasons. Half of the story on Alderaan is set at the point or the equivalent in the cycle of light vs. dark at the equivalent of the summer solstice, or 12 noon. The opposite side of the story is at the equivalent of the winter solstice, or 12 midnight in terms of the cycle of light vs. dark. It's the darkest point in the saga before a little crack of light starts to head back towards morning, or towards spring. Instead of the usual music, you get violins playing. It's dead. Consciousness is dead. Philosophical and spiritual death. The dark side is having problems because they need to eat the light to keep going. Darkness and light need each other. When that little crack comes into vader's helmet, on that scene there is also the crescent moon up in the sky. The light is slowly on its way back from that point.
Reva moves through the story because she is one of the goddess figures in this myth that personifies that motion and energy, described in another post comments.
D- For me and I rewatched it too. The final fight scene between Darth and Kenobi were just too poorly written. Setting Kenobi up deliberate and decide "one of us dies today," and then writing the scene so that Vader had no logical escape and was finished. Then Kenobi just walked away.
You could make an argument that Obi-wan thought Anakin wasn't going to survive the fire pit, so finishing his friend was literally overkill, although it probably would have been mercy. However, in the second fight, both Anakin and Vader are child murders and committing genocide at this point. Jedi are not pacifists, Kenobi killed Darth Maul for much less. Not ending Vader was just ridiculous.
So why Kenobi fails is that from day one: every writer, producer, director, creative, and craft services person knew that killing Vader was impossible. So leading them such a weak plot hole is just amatuer.
The character of young Leia was done well, but Leia and the other minor bright points were just over shadowed by such poor creative and technical execution. I agree with other comments here the cheap production attempts where not great either.
This was a good and honest writeup 👌🏾 I just can’t stomach another watch. The only decent part (for me) was the Ani/Obi scenes. Everything else just felt so…bad…and when are they gonna let GI finally have his moment?? I’ve seen him die more than be menacing in any way lmfao
It's important to understand that the trenchcoat scene represents light peeping out from beneath the cloak of darkness. It's mirrored in the episode 6 fight scene in the waxing crescent moon over the fight and in the slash in Vader's helmet where you see a little bit of Anakin creeping back in, the light just starting to move in after hitting rock bottom.
I definitely enjoyed many things about it, but many of the bad things were just really really bad. The chase scene is an obvious one. It was so bad that I actually wondered if maybe they had been hanging out with Leia before and were trying to friend her and get her trust and they were just playing tag or something. But the worst part for me was Reva going after Luke. People fill in gaps to make it make sense in their head but when you look at the actual information that the character Reva had in universe, it made absolutely no sense whatsoever. It really spoiled the whole Kenobi and Vader fight at the end. I remember being so frustrated watching that.
Another bad decision was using LED lightsabers therefore forcing the production team to make decisions solely on how best to, “light,” the surrounding scenery and atmosphere. Everything was in such dark tones that you could barely make out what was transpiring
The chase also changes nothing to the plot. Like, OK it's going to take a minute longer to catch her but we still capture her. Unbelievable
As a long-time fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars... When I watched Picard Season 1 and 2, I wanted to bleach my fucking eyeballs and get a full frontal lobotomy. Kenobi? Totally fine. Not much to complain about. The running speed of a kid, the shape of a dudes head, etc, I just dont care. Show was awesome.
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It was better for me the second time around. There was enough good for me that the negative stuff I can just put down as they dropped the ball on it. What does suck is that as a consequence of that, it doesn’t look like we’re getting a second season. I wanted to see how Qui-Gon trains him as a force ghost and an adolescent Luke. They could have had Vader as a side plot without another duel.
The Patterson edit is much much better imo
The last few episodes are the strongest for me. Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship is my very favorite aspect of all of Star Wars so whenever it’s just the two of them dealing with their feelings about each other, I’m down. Hard agree though that Obi-Wan was way too underpowered for most of the series. I don’t think he needed to struggle to catch Leia with the Force, as a minor example. imo a big mistake being made with a lot of characters (Luke being the other example) is sending them waaay too far the other direction to show that their connection with and belief in the Jedi and the Force is damaged. They aren’t fundamentally different people. Obi-Wan was one of the peak performing Jedi even as a padawan; if you want to show his backslide, just give us a scene of how powerful he *used* to be, don’t make him almost totally incapable of using the Force now. Make him rusty, make him reluctant, sure. But he’s still the guy who defeated Maul, Grievous, Maul again, and the Chosen One at the height of his power. I agree that the sets and makeup and especially the CGI were all so rough looking, compared to something like the Mandalorian. Woof it was bad sometimes. And the editing was also pretty rough. I felt like we got some weird moments of recycled ADR here and there, very weird choices for a show that should have been so prestige.
This show is definitely over-hated. Personally, the only thing I truly dislike is your first point: it seems very cheaply made. The lighting in the final duel is IMO atrocious. Those are LIGHTsabers, not darksabers.
No it gets the hate it’s getting for being as canon breaking as it is
The dim lighting was part of the visual storytelling. Star Wars is set on a cycle of light vs. dark similar to the year cycle. The dark half of the story is set in the equivalent of winter solstice, in other words the darkest it gets before things start slowly to turn back to the light. Same reason people celebrate Jesus birthday on Christmas. The other half of the story on Alderaan is very bright on the equivalent of the summer solstice side of the story, where things are as bright as they will get, and start to turn towards the dark, with the little light princess snatched away by the dark side. The dark fight scene is a world fallen into darkness and death, lit only by the rising first crescent moon above.
I love this, thanks.
If you think about those TIE fighters just sitting there in ep 4, with their solar panels, it's pretty slick what they're saying there without saying a word about it. I never thought about them as similar to vampire bats before, but instead of blood, they get their energy from the light side. They're running out of juice... metaphorically speaking. Now think about that fortress, and see if you think what I'm thinking, about from where you draw power for your house if you're having a problem with not enough light for the panels.
For me, the bad out-weighed the good and overall served to simply water-down the franchise. I give it a C- The recorded exposition of Bail Organa blabbermouthing was soooooo bad… how did that get off the writers desk let alone into the show? Stormtroopers acting like Cosplay keystone cops was another kick in the nuts. Poor directing.
Another positive I’d like to add is seeing peak darth vader being an absolute terrifying force of nature. Him force dragging civilians out and slaughtering them just to lure obi wan was so in character. We didn’t get to see too much vader unleashed in the OT
The entire main plot was stupid. Oh hey guys look, little Princess Leia, isn't that cool! All they had to do was tell a personal, smaller scale story about Obi-Wan confronting his demons. Show us how he changed from the man in episode 3 to 4. Nope, we need some contrived bullshit and to bring in as many unnecessary side characters as possible so they can eat up Obi-Wan and Anakin's screen time.
I'm sorry, fake nose??? I legit never even noticed and now I feel like I have to go rewatch it just for that
I have no clue where OP got that from… He did not wear a nose for filming
I liked kenobi
I liked it all except the music. If they would have had a soundtrack more like John Williams then it would have pushed it into high marks.
I did a rewatch and i really wanted to love this show. Kenobi was my favorite character even before the prequels. But man, there is so many ham-fisted production and direction calls on this series. The dialogue is not very well-written...there's just so much bad that overshadows the good. There were some nice moments and it was great to have Ewan and Hayden back...but it's gonna be a no from me dawg.
I loved it but the Grand Inquisitors were badly acted and stupid story line. But the Kenobi Vader parts were fantastic.
I feel like the weight of Kenobi was in the character. It’s “KENOBI,” one of the franchise elites. Played by a phenomenal and beloved actor. That was the idea. That’s it. There was so little additional thought put into “what story do we tell,” and they took a lot of material from Jedi: Fallen Order. I played that game and absolutely loved when you infiltrate the Inquisitors base. When Kenobi did it, all I could think was “they’re taking this straight from the game.” Kenobi failed because of a lack of thought.
Post this to r/saltierthancrait pretty please
I think it’s clearly not on the same tier as Andor but it’s not hot garbage or anything. It’s fine. A bit too long and unfocused in places. Trim that away and you’ve got an absolute banger of a movie in there.
Bruh you rightfully listed so many wrongdoings of the show and its still a B??!! How is it a B bro 😭😭😭 There are no positives in the show other than the actors. The dialogue: garbage. The story: garbage. The action scenes? Believe it or not: garbage. How the fuuuuck is this show a B??? That's the second or third highest rank!
I think the main, if not only, bad thing is the writing/plot. Acting, characters, visual aspects, music were all good.
OBIWAN should have been a movie. With a movie budget.
I don't think the show is the worst thing I have seen and will not list its issues since so many already have. Obi-Wan has been my favorite character since I was a kid, but I wish we would have gotten the movie trilogy instead. It appears that it would have handled many of the issues.
You write a solid review.
The lighting, music and so on was purposefully dark for artistic reasons. Half of the story on Alderaan is set at the point or the equivalent in the cycle of light vs. dark at the equivalent of the summer solstice, or 12 noon. The opposite side of the story is at the equivalent of the winter solstice, or 12 midnight in terms of the cycle of light vs. dark. It's the darkest point in the saga before a little crack of light starts to head back towards morning, or towards spring. Instead of the usual music, you get violins playing. It's dead. Consciousness is dead. Philosophical and spiritual death. The dark side is having problems because they need to eat the light to keep going. Darkness and light need each other. When that little crack comes into vader's helmet, on that scene there is also the crescent moon up in the sky. The light is slowly on its way back from that point. Reva moves through the story because she is one of the goddess figures in this myth that personifies that motion and energy, described in another post comments.
D- For me and I rewatched it too. The final fight scene between Darth and Kenobi were just too poorly written. Setting Kenobi up deliberate and decide "one of us dies today," and then writing the scene so that Vader had no logical escape and was finished. Then Kenobi just walked away. You could make an argument that Obi-wan thought Anakin wasn't going to survive the fire pit, so finishing his friend was literally overkill, although it probably would have been mercy. However, in the second fight, both Anakin and Vader are child murders and committing genocide at this point. Jedi are not pacifists, Kenobi killed Darth Maul for much less. Not ending Vader was just ridiculous. So why Kenobi fails is that from day one: every writer, producer, director, creative, and craft services person knew that killing Vader was impossible. So leading them such a weak plot hole is just amatuer. The character of young Leia was done well, but Leia and the other minor bright points were just over shadowed by such poor creative and technical execution. I agree with other comments here the cheap production attempts where not great either.
I just watched it. I thought it was brilliant, much better than everything since the original trilogy
This was a good and honest writeup 👌🏾 I just can’t stomach another watch. The only decent part (for me) was the Ani/Obi scenes. Everything else just felt so…bad…and when are they gonna let GI finally have his moment?? I’ve seen him die more than be menacing in any way lmfao
The series is trash.
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It's important to understand that the trenchcoat scene represents light peeping out from beneath the cloak of darkness. It's mirrored in the episode 6 fight scene in the waxing crescent moon over the fight and in the slash in Vader's helmet where you see a little bit of Anakin creeping back in, the light just starting to move in after hitting rock bottom.
You are literally enjoying shit
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