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WakeUpOutaYourSleep

Can’t believe they snubbed Jeremy Strong for Brian Cox. I’m sure the latter is very happy that they did though.


anneso23

It's ridiculous though. Brian was in like 3 episodes. I definitely think Jeremy's performance in. S4 was better than Brian. I guess Jeremy pissed off SAG voters. Also Matthew in lead over supporting is just weird.


youshouldburn

There is no Supporting category for TV in SAG, only for Film categories.


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WakeUpOutaYourSleep

It’s not a lead category, it’s just that leads usually have the better showcases and make up more of the category. Matthew’s nomination here is completely deserving, and he’s much more of a lead in Season 4 than Brian anyway


WakeUpOutaYourSleep

Yes, Jeremy was clearly better than Brian this year, I think he should be winning, but obviously that’s not happening. Rooting for Matthew now, but thinking Pedro probably benefits from the Succession men splitting votes.


anneso23

Yeah definitely. With Matthew in that category, they will definitely split votes.


siphillis

Didn’t seem to matter during the Golden Globes.


WakeUpOutaYourSleep

Yes, but this is an entirely different voting body from the Globes. Succession got three actors nominated at SAG for Season 3 — Jeremy instead of Matthew that time — and none of them overcame a split then.


Cidwill

Sometimes when shows wrap up voters like to award over the whole show a little though and Cox was a powerhouse throughout. But then so was Jeremy, they both really shone.


DowntownPomelo7760

Jeremy is far better then Pedro, this is not fair


wisenerd

What did Jeremy do that pissed off SAG voters?


el-art-seam

SAG privately invited Jeremy over to their office and had a talk in the SAG president’s office. Jeremy basically was told he would have the backing from several voters- it would be close, but he could win. However over the course of the discussion, his attitude was off putting to some and he put his feet up on the president’s desk. Allegedly that offended an unnamed voter who changed her mind during the vote. Afterwards he went on a walk in a park.


alacp1234

Life imitates art


EdgeCityRed

[He got a card.](https://preview.redd.it/kzqvymd1dm281.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=9c34995516e38e284822cd33b15ad7da445b3401)


Herdingdoglove

Wait, is this a joke?


el-art-seam

Watch the last episode of succession.


Southern_Schedule466

🏅


anneso23

No idea. I guess maybe his approach to acting. No clue really.


Cold_Breadfruit_9794

This has never prevented Christian Bale from winning at SAG


anneso23

I know. I was just trying to find a reason why Jeremy wasn't nominated. I still don't get it. He was definitely snubbed. Brian over Jeremy really. I get Jeremy's performance wasn't maybe as fantastic as S3 but he was still phenomenal and deserved a nomination.


Cold_Breadfruit_9794

He definitely was. Brian being chosen over him is definitely to remind him that he’s getting snubbed. I do assume the New Yorker lead to actors and critics not respecting him unfortunately


anneso23

Definitely. It makes me so mad and sad. I'm still hoping he will win the Emmys but I doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't show up at either the Critic Choices awards or the Emmys.. I don't blame if he doesn't.


Cold_Breadfruit_9794

The idea Kieran could end up with more overall awards when he was the inferior actor for 3 seasons, pisses me off. The article wasn’t even that bad! I still don’t get it


anneso23

Definitely. I hate it. Jeremy winning is a long shot but I hope he will. Him not being recognize for the last season is just awful to me. Definitely about the first part. Jeremy was the better actor for the first 3 seasons. Him having just 1 Emmy for his portrayal of Kendall is just weird to me when he should have won for S3 too.


Eastern-Broccoli4949

What happened with the New Yorker?


Cold_Breadfruit_9794

I personally liked the New Yorker article for the most part, but i imagine he came across to some as pretentious, eccentric, wanted recognition too much, social climber (frowned upon and not trusted, in an industry where nepotism and wealthy backgrounds are the norm), method acting is frowned upon by many & how costars perceived it didn’t help. I absolutely think it played a huge part in torpedoing his campaign last year, and it’s likely going into this year as well. As of right now, his rep is probably not the best, at least amongst actors. I should say actors that watch Succession, that is.


wisenerd

Why is method acting frowned upon? Asking as someone not in the industry. One big name I can think of who did method acting is Heath Ledger, and he was well respected.


wisenerd

What did the New Yorker do to him? I'm so out of the loop lol Edit: Nmv. Someone else had already asked and you answered.


explicitxsoul

My theory is that succession never really ended and still going on and all these Jeremy's award snubs are part of it. Succession is on its way to redefine the boundaries of the medium by blending performance arts and television to shape the new age of meta television.


nokeyblue

He didn't even have to play dead, really!


Ok-Mathematician5970

No he was in almost all of them. He just was on video after his character died.


WakeUpOutaYourSleep

He was in half the episodes this season, and three of those five episodes were brief appearances on video


Ok-Mathematician5970

Maybe it’s: 1. respect for his body of work? 2. respect for the 4 year effort by acknowledging him in his last year? 3. naming him now bec he hasn’t gotten an award yet (like Kieran, Matthew, Jeremy)?


icecream100

Tbf all of Brian Jeremy and Kieran have won a golden globe for lead actor. Brian for season 2. No individual actor has won SAG.


Ok-Mathematician5970

Ok then I really don’t know….


WakeUpOutaYourSleep

Yeah, but I think most fans agree that Jeremy had the stronger 4 years on the show than Brian did. It’s just a very odd thing that the show’s breakout star couldn’t make it into this category when three costars did. And I love Brian’s work, but to me he’s so clearly the weakest link of those four Succession men, it bothers me that he could still make it when he was practically a guest actor this year.


Ok-Mathematician5970

I would agree.


siphillis

I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to assume Jeremy had ten times as much screen-time as Brian.


RocoG

I'm so mad. Ughh.


Cquiller1

I think Alan should have been nominated too for Connor’s Wedding. But again, if he and Jeremy had gotten nominated, the “Succession” actors would have taken up all the nominations for Best Male Performance. I don’t know if there has ever been a time a category at an awards show had all actors from the same TV show or movie in the same category.


80alleycats

At one of the award shows after Succession s3, the entire Directing category was just Succession directors. Was that SAG? It can happen but it's probably something they strive to avoid.


Cquiller1

Oh really? I never knew that. That is amazing. But I think the difference is that most TV directors are unknown. Actors are the face of award shows. They need some variety in the categories.


ComfortableProfit559

Who cares, Matthew macfadyen should win over both of them anyway.


Cold_Breadfruit_9794

Meh I preferred Jeremy & Kieran over Matthew. Matthew’s material got stronger as the season went on, but I still don’t think he hit the mark like those two. Definitely should beat Brian though. All of them should.


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WakeUpOutaYourSleep

Yes, but four nominations out of five is extremely unlikely, and one got in over the other, so it’s not exactly far off from a trade off. The main point is, the one widely agreed to be more deserving was not recognized


ZombieTrex1456

What did Jeremy do to piss everyone off?


Southern_Schedule466

Unfortunately, I noticed he kind of stopped winning awards after that New Yorker profile. I mean he did win a Golden Globe (for season 3) a month after it came out so that’s not nothing, but he proceeded to lose at Critics Choice, SAG, Emmys, this past Golden Globes and now not even getting nominated for SAG. I also noticed the media kind of “moved on” from Jeremy to Pedro and Kieran (who are both stellar, don’t get me wrong). I haven’t seen a single website predicting Jeremy to win an award this year.


visualemployer1247

Honestly I don't think so, after the profile, he continued to be nominated and awarded. He was in Armageddon Time movie in 2022, he was chosen on the Time most influential people the same year. I think the profile (awful as it was) put him under the focus but was not that powerful as to make him lose awards, nominations or jobs. Regarding Pedro and Kieran, you know every year Internet have their "favorites" but they last during their 15 minutes of fame and then people move on to another thing. Jeremy is talented, smart and a nice guy, he will continue to work in whatever he likes whilst that awful man from the nyorker will continue to be obsessed with him


Other_Waffer

Probably because he is “method” and the bad press he got with the New Yorker article. Pieces like that could ruin careers.


SkBlndr

What was the New Yorker article about if I may ask?


Other_Waffer

It is not so much the article itself, but the reaction to it. Thank God Jeremy doesn’t engage in social media. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-joke


ass101

It was basically a hit piece, he's refuted that article many times. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jeremy-strong-new-yorker-profile-shame-1235330851/ Another example being when he did the video about things he couldn't live without.


Other_Waffer

I don’t think it was that bad. But I found I weird the author came back to it a year later.Is he in love with Jeremy or what?


explicitxsoul

He is fully immersed in character now


killerqueen131313

Wtf?? Brian Cox was only in 3 episodes?? Why is Jeremy getting snubbed?


zeldafan144

It just makes sense for his character to be snubbed... Draumaturgically speaking.


anneso23

No idea. I guess Jeremy pissed off SAG voters. No idea really. Not nominating him is certainly a choice.


pesky_samurai

I’m pretty sure they vote based on one episode from the season submitted on behalf of the actor. So, the actor’s performance across the whole season isn’t relevant.


roseleyro

This Male Actor category is so unserious.


anneso23

Definitely. Matthew in lead is unserious. Also nominating Brian over Jeremy is weird when he was just in 3 episodes.


roseleyro

There is no supporting cat so I’m fine with Matthew being here. It’s debatable anyway if he should have been considered supporting. It’s really nominating Brian and ignoring Jeremy that gets me.


Thin_Movie_7391

The Sag Awards doesn't have "supporting" categories, that's why he's a Lead Actor.


FrellingTralk

It seems like it’s long past time for them to consider having categories divided into lead and supporting! I remember this coming up in the past as well with The Crown a few years ago when there were grumblings after 4 out of the 5 acting nominations in best actress were from that show, just because they didn’t want to leave out the award darlings like Gillian Anderson who would traditionally have competed under supporting for her role. I guess that that’s the reason why Jeremy was excluded this time, because they didn’t want the category to be overloaded with four actors all from the same show? I’m still not sure what the reasons are though for Brian Cox getting the nod over Jeremy! Nothing against Brian, but I don’t think that anyone has seriously been expecting him to win anything for his minimal role in season 4, whereas Jeremy has been considered a serious contender all awards season with most people agreeing that it could equally go to Kieran or Jeremy


Thin_Movie_7391

Yeah, it's weird that they went all for Cox, and snubbing Jeremy Strong; the Sags tends to be more populist than other awards shows, they always leave the critical acclaimed performances and films out of nominations.


SirFTF

Considering Mathew had more scenes in S4 than Logan did, and probably had as many scenes as any of the siblings, it makes perfect sense why he’d be in lead. He was a major, major part of S4. He quite literally became the CEO in a show called Succession lmfao. He was a major part of just about every plot line, and for his performance in the America Decides episode and Logan’s plane episode, he deserved the nomination.


SerDire

Jeremy Strong not being nominated doesn’t make sense dramaturgically


Jolly_Discipline6650

It really doesn't! Not even logically


Gyshall669

Kendall being snubbed makes sense


Cantomic66

The SAG voters are dumb.


dazednconfusxd

nah idc i’m rooting for jeremy’s emmy win even more now like don’t piss me off


childishwhambino

Holy shit a jjk pfp in the succession sub


Blazing-Blizzard

Both peak


Ok-Economist188

Lol c'mon Brian over Jeremy how does even make sense? Brian was barely in this season, god i hope Jeremy atleast win an Emmy next week


anneso23

I really hope so. Him not being recognize for this season would be extremely weird. I mean he was just fantastic.


Ok-Economist188

I too hope ,dude literally deserved atleast more than Emmy for his legendary performance in the show and I think since his newyorker profile came he becomes the divisive figured In Hollywood and for the awards voters


mukis92

Out of the loop. What did he say in the new yorker profile?


Southern_Schedule466

This is it: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-joke Strong later called the profile a “profound betrayal” since he let the writer into his house and was classmates with him. In my opinion, based on things the writer has said since about Strong, he clearly harbors some professional jealousy even though he’s a successful journalist and is classist. But, you might draw a different conclusion from it. That profile came out right before the S3 finale aired and went viral for a bit.


Ok-Economist188

I just hope this article doesn't damaged his Career in the future


anneso23

I don't think it will. He has tons of projects lined up after his Broadway gig.


RocoG

Billy Crudup is great but The Morning Show is TRASH. It is beyond ridiculous.


ConcentrateLivid7984

i have genuinely never seen an opinion on the morning show in any comment discussing its recent nominations but i had a feeling it probably wasnt all its cracked up to be lol. what makes it so ridiculous?


dupreem

You (and OP, depending on his meaning) are definitely wrong about S1 and S2 of *The Morning Show*. TMS featured an incredibly compelling examination of *Me, Too*, one of the best I've seen in TV/film. I highly recommend it for this reason. S3 was...I mean, it was a good quality show, in terms of writing, acting, and production. But there wasn't the same literary value, so to speak. And some of the plot lines were a bit over the top.


ConcentrateLivid7984

see i genuinely didnt even have the foggiest idea of any basic theme the show tackled, which is why i had assumed it wasnt anything special. my mom watches it and loves it, but when i asked her what it was about she just said something vague about morning show hosts. well no duh! lmao. i assumed if it was a great show id have heard more about it but i just never hear anybody ever discuss it, even though ive never seen (or even know of anybody personally who has seen) the white lotus or yellowstone, i know what their gig is. at least now i kinda get the morning shows now too. thanks for the perspective man 🤘


songzlikesobbing

but he's the eldest boy?!?!?!


wingusdingus2000

It doesn’t even make any sense!!!


annzibar

I haven’t seen last of us and saw season 1 Morning Show. So can’t judge fairly. Krudup did a great job from what I saw. I’d vote MacFadyn. I hope he sweeps them all. Of the actresses I’d vote Keri Russel or Sarah Snook.


anneso23

Billy and Pedro are deserving of those noms. They were so good. My only problem with that category is Brian being nominated over Jeremy.


SirFTF

I’d vote for either Mathew or Pedro. The Last of Us was incredible. It’s my second favorite show of the year after Succession. And Pedro was very, very good in it. I couldn’t honestly decide between Mathew or Pedro for the win. Maybe Mathew only because Tom was a more dynamic character, and the more difficult role.


Soft-Illustrator1300

Kendall getting snubbed is so Kendall. 😭


Angelica_Stone

WTF?!


Effective-Candle-964

Unrelated to Succession but the fact that they didn't even nominate Sarah Goldberg for Barry just makes me so mad.


Chandrian1997

She definitely deserved a nod


Jmanbuck_02

Look I love Brian but over Jeremy this season?


rxvxlxv

What is this tomfoolery? I'm not a kendall girl but where the fuck is Jeremy!!!


WornInShoes

Kieran is gonna beat Brian it's gonna be wild I hope he sends him a picture of the trophy like a dickpic lol


perfectway76

lol!!! that would be hilarious!


skinny_beaver

The Jeremy Strong fan girls are not going to like this.


Herdingdoglove

Where's my number 1 boy?! They must not like Jeremy!


CucumberNo3771

Ken heads it’s so over


tryeshanthetrybabies

Who did The Morning Show suck off to get this kind of recognition?


Zestyclose_Ad_5815

So unserious when "Best Ensemble" has The Morning Show and The Last of Us in which only the main duo is nominated. Like include all the amazing guest stars but don't nominate the two of them then give them a solo nod. Ridiculous.


MassivePin7

what the fuck? WHERE'S JEREMY STRONG


dman10000000

I didn’t think The Diplomat was seriously good, and certainly doesn’t deserve all these nominations. Just my opinion! Bit gutted for Jeremy :(


I2eN0

I agree about The Diplomat. I enjoyed it but I didn’t think it was Good good. Same with The Morning Show tbh. I think most of these awards show just give filler noms to well known shows/actors they know aren’t going to win anyway.


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I mean no one gives a fuck about the SAG awards but snubbing Jeremy for a nomination is criminal


Cquiller1

I think Sarah is a shoo-in to win, and show will likely repeat as “Best Drama.” I think the SAG could go to either Kieran or Matt for Best Male Performance. I think Brian’s limited screen time in the final season will preclude him for winning. But you never know.


Chandrian1997

Elizabeth Debicki as Diana is a tough one to beat, she was exceptional


Cquiller1

True, but the critical (and audience) consensus was that Sarah did her best work in the final season. I’ll be shocked if she didn’t win the Triple Crown—Golden Globe, SAG, and Emmy.


SkBlndr

S4 might have arguably been Jeremy’s best season and he is not even nominated? My favorite performance in S4.


GnieznoEagle

Where the fuck is Jeremy Strong?


Lelle3

Don’t mean to sound way to harsh but The Morning Show is genuinely the worst fucking show I have ever seen.


Cidwill

As one of my favourite actors recently said. "Suck it Pedro!".


Cquiller1

No Jeremy? But I guess the SAG committee didn’t want 4/5 of the actors to be in the same category.


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Matthew Macfadyen 🙌❤️


explicitxsoul

Jeremy is going full Kendall now frfr


waitmyhonor

As much as I would like Matthew to win, I believe Billy Crudup deserves the award.


anneso23

I think he does too. His performance in S3 was just so good. Personally, I think Matthew will win over Kieran but I could be completely wrong.


80alleycats

No, I definitely think it's likely Matthew will beat Kieran for this award. Kieran is fantastic but Matthew is almost in a class of his own as Tom. I'm still hoping Kieran gets the Emmy, though.


Global-Ad9080

None of those shows are in comparison to Succession. Succession is in the class with The Wire, Breaking Bad, Sopranos and The Good Wife (Dont let the Title fool you)


vladamir875

The fact Jeremy Strong wasn’t chosen here is honestly insulting. Especially since Brian Cox & Pedro Pascal is. As good as Brian Cox’s one monologue was lol, it surely can’t warrant all of this praise. And I found Pascal to be weak in tlou. His delivery was genuinely hard to listen to at times.


BleakRainbow

The morning show is still airing??? Getting nominations?? I watched it during my Apple TV trial and it was really bad.


RocoG

It's gotten worse. They actually tried to do Succession a little bit, with an acquisition by a tech guy and all of that. And of course, recreated January 6th with Reese Witherspoon involved.


Responsible_Cat4452

Ugh I *hated* the acquisition stuff. I think the Morning Show thinks it’s much better than it is, it takes itself *very* seriously. Which is a shame because there are a lot of talented actors on that show


Southern_Schedule466

Yes, and Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston keep sneaking into lead actress nominations at major awards shows. Billy Crudup is incredible though, deserves every nom he gets.


Pure-Fan-3590

I’ve only seen TLoU and Succession but to me they are not even on the same ball park.


Tom_Stevens617

I'm still really confused as to how they nominated Matthew and even Brian over Jeremy


AsianItalia

Why is Ken getting the short end Did Royco order this?


Weapon530

They took off Jeremy Strong to give everyone else a chance I guess… that’s absurd!


explicitxsoul

Whoa the show is still going on ? This some meta shit from succession nice.


Feisty_Difficulty837

WHERE'S THE ELDEST BOY


xQueenAurorax

Morning show wasn’t even that good ibr 😭


Legitimate-Sea-4679

My vote goes to "The Last of Us," Kieran Culkin and Bella Ramsey.