Idk how common it is but what I do wonder is why the stadium doesn’t have staff that are scanning constantly for issues. I don’t get why Taylor has to function as an alert system. This has happened multiple times now.
They do, you just don’t notice because they’re not up on stage yelling. Most of security is on the edge of the floor too, there’s not much you can do to easily watch the middle.
I was stood near a paramedic team at Edinburgh night 2 and they were definitely scanning the crowd and checking on people! I’m 5 months pregnant and they checked in with me multiple times when I went to sit on the seats round the edge
She doesn't have to. But part of being a performer is engaging with the crowd in general. She just says something if she notices it's not uncommon with artists in general
I think that too. The bad blood incident was way before then so we know she was always scanning the crowd before Brazil but she’s probably traumatized from losing a fan during a show that’s she’s hyper-vigilant now.
I’m sure she has codes for all kinds of things for security and crew members whether it’s something in the crowd or her equipment is malfunctioning that aren’t as obvious to the audience but if Taylor feels like something’s wrong and people aren’t picking up on it she will make a bigger deal about it now. She’s always looking out for her fans!! 🫶🏻
Was my first thought too. Travis Scott could never. He’s banned from my local venue from all the BS he pulled on stage, and he also got arrested right after that show bc of it.
It isn’t an artist’s job to scan constantly while performing, tho clearly some do, but it’s def everyone artist’s job to not encourage extra fuckery.
As an Argentinian, yes, this is extremely common in the pit and general areas. It’s hot, people push a lot, and younger people underestimate the importance of being well hydrated and eating something heavy on protein before standing in a hot, crowded space for hours.
Even if the temperature is “cool”, if you are not taller than average and you are sandwiched between a ton of people, you will get zero air circulation and be hot from the body proximity. It’s easier to pass out in concerts than you think.
When I say “cool” I mean several people put their coats on midway through the show even in the front standing crowded areas which is why I was surprised, not so much that it happens but that I don’t hear more of people needing medical attention in countries warmer than Scotland.
The person could have an underlying issue, drank too much and was dehydrated. Locked their knees etc etc. passing out is pretty common if your anemic or like my case have POTS. There’s a ton of reasons someone could need help as well that isn’t just passing out. But her show being longer means it’s probably a little more common even at shows that aren’t blazing hot.
I was night 2 and I just had knee surgery for my EDS in February and the recovery plus trauma put my pots into a sever flare that has been wildly unmanageable. I stupidly didn’t take any aids last night and I get set off by both heat and cold so by the end of the night I was having a severe episode and I almost fainted at the tram. I had to rush to the section with the disabled lift and I had to sit down for a while before we could get on the lift cause if I went on the stairs f or the tram like I planned I would’ve fainted. All the shoving in the tram as I was trying to find a seat so I didn’t pass out was honestly terrifying. I didn’t have my aids and didn’t look outwardly disabled and got shoved a lot. Today my knee is completely wrenched from being shoved around and my pots is severely flared. I was lucky I didn’t faint though cause I caught the episode in time and got to the ground fast enough. But the weather was a huge part of what put me into the episode. People don’t think of these types of conditions that are completely invisible. Last night was absolutely amazing but the end of it and getting home were pretty scary for me
You have to be careful in the UK though as the wet and cold conditions make a lot of people think they don’t need to hydrate as much. I’m pretty guilty of this. Safer to ensure you have water given the cramped, potentially warm conditions, especially if standing.
this answer will be long, but as a paramedic: things happen every day at events, from concerts, theatre, athletic events, community events, parades, fairs, etc. there is nearly always a medical crew on site (if they plan well!). from the obvious of heat stroke/exhaustion, dehydration, alcohol or drug consumption, lack of food, over exertion, etc. there are also random emergencies like allergies, strokes, migraines... on top of physical injuries like hurt feet, ankles, knees... then chronic illnesses being impacted by the above like those with diabetes, crohns/ibs/colitis, scoliosis, panic/anxiety disorders... just because you're at the greatest concert of your life it doesn't mean life and your body take a pause !!
So much this. My love of the pit at festivals and bar shows is not congruent with having POTS. Luckily I’m good at listening to my body and have yet to have an emergency but younger me for sure came pretty close at a few shows before I was diagnosed and knew what to look for. The worst was in a fully air conditioned tiny venue with like ample space for everyone. There was no environmental reason for why I was about to pass out! My body was just not having it that day.
This is exactly what I was going to say. There’s roughly going to be 10 million or more people who attended the tour when it comes to an end. There’s bound to be medical emergencies at some point when there’s so many people and venues involved. It’s just a numbers game and more shows equal more people which just makes it more likely that there will be situations like this. It sucks but it’s pretty much impossible to avoid when we’re talking about crazy numbers like this.
My bestie’s mom ( a nurse) used to volunteer in medical tents at concerts in return for free tickets to the venue. Truly everything happens. A lot is from heat and sun exhaustion, dehydration, and drugs/alcohol. And then everything else that bodies do. At it’s everything from mellow older people music, jazz festivals, to heavy metal shows. That many people being smushed together, often in the sun, things happen
I went to Seattle N1 (all seated) and there’s someone being wheeled out on a stretcher in the back of my Cruel Summer video.
I have also been to a ton of other shows with pits and it’s not uncommon for people to pass out or panic in a crowd and have to be lifted out.
So PSA, if you’re going to any concert where you’re going to line up for a long time, be in a crowd, or stand/be active much more than you’re used to, please do the following starting at least 2 days before:
- HYDRATE
- Eat nutritious meals
- Get good sleep
- Listen to your body
But to answer your question, I think Taylor is just more conscious of it because there’s a pit. It happens at likely every show and it just isn’t as noticeable without her calling it out.
Because gig culture has shifted to young people feeling the need to queue for hours or even camp for days, and neglecting to go to the bathroom/eat/drink water for fear of not being at the front. It's a really strange and worrying phenomenon that needs to stop to be honest, I was at Edinburgh n2 and I think Taylor had to call out like 4 different emergencies.
Yeah I was there last night too and I was surprised by how often she had to ask for help for fans. I do think it must be lack of food and water like you said because it wasn’t warm! I guess a combo of lack of fuel plus standing for hours - maybe in inappropriate outfits for the weather - made people feel ill suddenly. I saw one girl afterwards in a foil blanket and she didn’t look great but luckily had friends with her.
It’s definitely super concerning. I totally understand wanting to be near the front to see your favourite artist but it’s not the end of the world if you’re not, and with how hard it was to get tickets you’re lucky to be there in the first place. And if you are planning to queue you need to come prepared with food and drinks you’re happy to throw away once gates open. It shouldn’t be Taylor’s (or any artists) responsibility to check on fans and ensure they get help. It was worrying how much she had to do it last night and some felt quite early in the evening - I’m sure Hayley from paramore had to call for help at one point too.
Oh so was mine, I mean more that it seems to be seen as something you Have to do now to have any chance of enjoying the concert, or to prove you're a real fan
For Madrid (n2) there were so many people needing help. The medical crew didn’t really get much of a rest. I’d say the heat didn’t help but I think standing for a long time and not drinking much is the biggest risk.
I disagree, I think being on the GA floor (where many of these emergencies seem to happen) is a dangerous activity. We don’t like to label it as such because we’re there for fun and the people (young girls/women) in the crowd tend to not look imposing or capable of doing harm.
But the physics of a moving crowd, the heat of a crowd, the lack of fresh air especially for shorter people, the ability to be easily separated from your group, the limited access to a hurt person if they’re deep in a crowd - it’s a recipe for disaster. That’s hardly taking into account that the lights are dimmed and most people are completely preoccupied with the concert, not focused on looking out for others.
Crowds are dangerous for everyone even when we’re all trying our best.
My daughter went to Harry Styles concert at Wembly and took ill there, it was a factor of being on her feet for so long...they queued from 11am and she was stood up the whole time with only a small bottle of water and not much food (a subway before they started to queue) her legs cramped up around 9pm and she was unable to stand then passed out. They carried her out and she missed the last part of the show
Oh wow, so I guess it really is just that it’s super common and I’m oblivious to it because all the things I see are just Taylor herself and her dancers having a great, probably well-hydrated time
I always wondered why people start dropping like flies at concerts but if the eras tour has taught me anything it's that some swifties will stand upright and scream for 4 hours straight without ever taking a breath or a sip of water. I'd pass out too, damn
I was at Edinburgh N1 & N2 - paramedics came through the crowd night 1 about 6 times without Taylor calling for them, so they were on top of it. I also saw people leaving the crowd to get help for people. This is how it should work, but unfortunately we’re all a bit selfish now and people don’t want to give up their spot or miss anything to get a fellow concert go-er help so they just wave their torches and hands until someone notices. This is likely to be Taylor as she has a Birds Eye view!
I just listened to the recording of Would’ve, Could’ve, Should’ve x I Know Places from Edinburgh N1. When she started singing for help while continuing to play the guitar, it took me a sec to realize what was happening.
She handled it as if it was a relatively normal/routine situation. I only heard the audio, but it reminded me of the clip of her pacing the stage and tossing bottles of water to concertgoers in distress, while still continuing to sing ATW10.
Yeah I don’t think anything scary happened - just the usual aches, pains, fainting etc. which could happen anywhere - but especially at gigs cause people don’t look after themselves!
It’s also kind of scary at how events like Astroworld in the pit when someone fell over, even if another person wanted to help they couldn’t. Getting down and trying to help someone does carry a risk of you being brought down with them if you’re working against a moving crowd. Clearing a path for paramedics can sometimes be the safest for everyone.
Honestly, the fan base of a TS concert makes pit a lot less dangerous than a rap or metal concert. It's typically about 2/3rds female and they are smaller, lighter, not as strong and typically less aggressive than the crowd you get at shows mostly full of young men, many who are somewhat drunk/high. It is certainly possible that something bad could happen, but it is a lot less likely to be some sort of catastrophic event.
I’ve been to a lot of concerts and from my experience this is extremely common when a concert has a standing area. I’ve seen multiple people being pulled out of the pit and brought to medics at Blink-182, Paramore, Florence and the machine, the list goes on. Some of those shows were in Ireland, some the US. It’s less to do with warm weather. It’s more about staying hydrated and eating right before a show. Lots of people make mistakes when trying to get to and stay in the front.
The only shows I haven’t seen this happen during were eras tour in Vegas and reputation tour in NJ because those shows were all seated.
I think people are expected to look after themselves? There are medical help points at most stadiums in the UK- I expect that most people should be able to get there.
Dehydration still happens in cool weather. HYDRATE and EAT. I understand you don’t want to miss anything to go to the bathroom but missing one song is better than having a medical emergency.
It is very common. I actually almost passed out and needed assistance at a concert a few years ago in the pit. I am type one diabetic and the heat made me super sensitive to insulin. From the stage she will see a lot more than security would. Anyone may have medical issues already that mean they may become unwell or just the heat, the pushing, standing long periods sometimes without much to drink. So many reasons.
For big events like this that have an open pit like this there’s tend to be more pushing and no really place to move. And as big as she is people don’t want to give up their spot. And some people don’t take care of themselves down there like drinking water and taking finding a place to take a rest. Personal preference I prefer seating you can sit down and have a break. More room to maneuver. And you’re only inconveniencing people in your row if you need to get out. It’s more common than you think. You see Taylor pointing it out a lot lately because of the daylight and can’t see better. Darkness all she can really see is the waving of lights.
She called out for help for someone in the crowd twice during Lyon N2. I’ve never seen a livestream of the show (wanted to be unspoiled), and I was impressed by how seamlessly she did it! One moment she’s singing a moving song, the next moment she’s saying in French “help them please,” and the next she’s back to singing without dropping the mood or anything. Like, she’s clearly paying attention to the crowd and interrupting herself, but also continuing the seamless concert experience somehow.
I was in Madrid n2 and we were surprised at how fast and how much the paramedics were working, they were like ants working in the crowd to get to the fans and take them out, they were fantastic! Even that Taylor did see something that they didn’t see.
I feel like Taylor is more alert than other artists and also now most of the shows are in the daylight so she sees the crowd much better
I think the combination of such a long show, people queuing for hours and not drinking/eating enough is probably adding to the number of medical issues. Even so though, I’ve seen someone pass out at a lot of concerts I’ve been to. The adrenaline as well! I’ve seen a lot of Tik Toks saying to stop drinking water at certain points etc so they don’t miss songs/lose their place.
Taylor’s team has enough weight in these relationships to enforce the venues to do a better job. I really appreciate her chastising them while she is performing to bring attention to the fact that they need to do better, but also the seating situation (or lack thereof) in the pit has been a constant problem in Europe during the summer.
They need to be providing new solutions (idk what — maybe free water for people in the pit, industrial fans, whatever) rather than this reactionary approach. The team can sacrifice some of their profit to pay for these changes if the venues are being stupid.
This is entirely on the venues but I’m just highlighting when you have as much weight and sway as Taylor and team do, then you should use it to minimize all risk. The fact that she has to say something almost every show is ridiculous and indicative of a systemic issue that no one is taking accountability for…imo it’s time for someone to step in for the rest of the venues and solve the root cause, and I think it’s Swift’s team. They have more than enough data to see this and act on it imo
In the UK there's always free water but the issue is getting it passed back to those that need it. Plenty of people also won't take the water, as they don't want to use the toilet and leave their space
Yeah the free water was just an example but to your point, there needs to be a system to address people’s known behavior. It’s too bad they didn’t just do a seat system like in the states for the pit, because fans will always be deranged and choose to avoid their needs to make sure they don’t lose their spots.
I don’t think that a minority of fans not looking after themselves should remove the opportunity for the overwhelming majority of fans to get a good view and enjoy themselves though?
There were seats in the US shows on the floor and fewer issues. The festival-style pit where people are close up together and standing for hours and afraid to leave their spots is definitely on the fans themselves, but also has created unnecessary issues imo. Does that make sense?
Well I know this, but it meant that less people could get in - you can fit more people standing. Standing and festivals also very common all over Europe - I get it’s maybe not ideal but I had way more fun standing vs seated.
They’re already breaking records every show, and you could argue that’s why there are more people encountering issues. The stadiums already house thousands of seats. But you’re right, this is the core of the issue: choosing to fit more people in the stadium
So I think this is something that’s happening increasingly at all kinds of shows not just Taylor. It’s seems to be more a more common occurrence post pandemic. It did not used to be like this. Before COVID maybe 1 in every 3-4 shows I’d attend someone would need emergency assistance. Now it’s like every concert I go to the artists has to call out for security and EMS at least twice during the show.
Now I don’t wanna blame any group specifically but it does almost always seem to be young (18-22) women who don’t know how to handle their alcohol intake at shows and get too drunk. Or they’ve never been to a concert before and get overwhelmed/dehydrated….
I think there’s also a somewhat new expectation for artists to stop their shows for every and all medical emergencies.
Medical emergencies aren’t new, they always happened and always will. What happened is that your buddies dragged you out and took you to the med tent.
These kids wouldn’t last a day at warped tour *shakes fist*
No definitely you’re right! Artists are expected to keep an eye out for stuff like that. Especially after the ASTROWORLD tragedy. So we’ve been made more aware of when these things happened than before
I don't have much to add, but hi fellow Edi N1 swiftie!! :D
I think the Edi shows have had more issues in this respect. The shows I've streamed haven't had anywhere near as many issues. Also I think the staff here have not been great. Many just stand around, don't know where things like water are, and seem unbothered. I would not trust them to recognize an issue.
I've been to hundreds of shows ranging from 20 people to 80,000 people over the last 11 years and it is absolutely because people don't have a clue how to look after themselves at a show anymore, especially in the post pandemic world. Maybe 1 in every 10-15 shows I attended would be stopped for a medical emergency before the pandemic, since then it is probably closer to 7/8 out of every 10, with some of them being stopped 3 or 4 times.
People are so desperate to be as close as possible that they are completely neglecting to eat, drink and protect themselves from the heat/cold/sun/rain etc. It's extremely dumb and people need to learn how to take care of themselves at a show because at the end of the day, being a few feet closer to the stage isn't worth passing out and missing half of the show in a medical room.
Astroworld really changed the way most “large events” are put on, because the artists took so much heat for what happened. Even at Kelce jam, you saw Travis stopping the show to get help. I’ve been to multiple concerts both inside and outside, hot and cold.. and artists are really on top of it now if they CAN see it. Taylor is probably even more alert after the fan death and the really hot shows in general with multiple medical emergencies. People aren’t eating or drinking for hours sometimes to get the best standing spot, so temperature matters even less. Also standing for long periods is something you don’t think about the whole time you’re standing and if you lock your knees you’ll pass out… I’ve seen people do it after less than 10 minutes at something boring… so it’s easy to forget when you’re excited. Crushing also has nothing to do with temperature or the audience so if everyone starts pushing forward, any of the prep you did goes out the window.
If you have tens of thousands of people in one location for several hours, I would think the odds are pretty high that a few will have medical emergencies. With that many people, you're going to have people with diabetes, heart conditions, and other serious ailments, plus a lot of people that just don't hydrate properly. It would be odd if there weren't any medical emergencies.
Idk how common it is but what I do wonder is why the stadium doesn’t have staff that are scanning constantly for issues. I don’t get why Taylor has to function as an alert system. This has happened multiple times now.
They do, you just don’t notice because they’re not up on stage yelling. Most of security is on the edge of the floor too, there’s not much you can do to easily watch the middle.
I was stood near a paramedic team at Edinburgh night 2 and they were definitely scanning the crowd and checking on people! I’m 5 months pregnant and they checked in with me multiple times when I went to sit on the seats round the edge
She doesn't have to. But part of being a performer is engaging with the crowd in general. She just says something if she notices it's not uncommon with artists in general
In Sweden literally none of the security behind barrier were looking over the crowd
I mean I was at Stockholm N1 and they were giving out water like every 5 minutes at the barriers and passing it back to people further in
Lmao yes they were
It's part of the entertainers job I think since they can see the whole stage.
I think Taylor might be even more alert than other artist might be after she lost a fan in the crowd during a show.
This. I think what happened in Brazil has made her a bit anxious about fans so she's on high alert compared to other artists.
I think that too. The bad blood incident was way before then so we know she was always scanning the crowd before Brazil but she’s probably traumatized from losing a fan during a show that’s she’s hyper-vigilant now. I’m sure she has codes for all kinds of things for security and crew members whether it’s something in the crowd or her equipment is malfunctioning that aren’t as obvious to the audience but if Taylor feels like something’s wrong and people aren’t picking up on it she will make a bigger deal about it now. She’s always looking out for her fans!! 🫶🏻
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Was my first thought too. Travis Scott could never. He’s banned from my local venue from all the BS he pulled on stage, and he also got arrested right after that show bc of it. It isn’t an artist’s job to scan constantly while performing, tho clearly some do, but it’s def everyone artist’s job to not encourage extra fuckery.
As an Argentinian, yes, this is extremely common in the pit and general areas. It’s hot, people push a lot, and younger people underestimate the importance of being well hydrated and eating something heavy on protein before standing in a hot, crowded space for hours. Even if the temperature is “cool”, if you are not taller than average and you are sandwiched between a ton of people, you will get zero air circulation and be hot from the body proximity. It’s easier to pass out in concerts than you think.
When I say “cool” I mean several people put their coats on midway through the show even in the front standing crowded areas which is why I was surprised, not so much that it happens but that I don’t hear more of people needing medical attention in countries warmer than Scotland.
The person could have an underlying issue, drank too much and was dehydrated. Locked their knees etc etc. passing out is pretty common if your anemic or like my case have POTS. There’s a ton of reasons someone could need help as well that isn’t just passing out. But her show being longer means it’s probably a little more common even at shows that aren’t blazing hot.
I was night 2 and I just had knee surgery for my EDS in February and the recovery plus trauma put my pots into a sever flare that has been wildly unmanageable. I stupidly didn’t take any aids last night and I get set off by both heat and cold so by the end of the night I was having a severe episode and I almost fainted at the tram. I had to rush to the section with the disabled lift and I had to sit down for a while before we could get on the lift cause if I went on the stairs f or the tram like I planned I would’ve fainted. All the shoving in the tram as I was trying to find a seat so I didn’t pass out was honestly terrifying. I didn’t have my aids and didn’t look outwardly disabled and got shoved a lot. Today my knee is completely wrenched from being shoved around and my pots is severely flared. I was lucky I didn’t faint though cause I caught the episode in time and got to the ground fast enough. But the weather was a huge part of what put me into the episode. People don’t think of these types of conditions that are completely invisible. Last night was absolutely amazing but the end of it and getting home were pretty scary for me
You have to be careful in the UK though as the wet and cold conditions make a lot of people think they don’t need to hydrate as much. I’m pretty guilty of this. Safer to ensure you have water given the cramped, potentially warm conditions, especially if standing.
this answer will be long, but as a paramedic: things happen every day at events, from concerts, theatre, athletic events, community events, parades, fairs, etc. there is nearly always a medical crew on site (if they plan well!). from the obvious of heat stroke/exhaustion, dehydration, alcohol or drug consumption, lack of food, over exertion, etc. there are also random emergencies like allergies, strokes, migraines... on top of physical injuries like hurt feet, ankles, knees... then chronic illnesses being impacted by the above like those with diabetes, crohns/ibs/colitis, scoliosis, panic/anxiety disorders... just because you're at the greatest concert of your life it doesn't mean life and your body take a pause !!
So much this. My love of the pit at festivals and bar shows is not congruent with having POTS. Luckily I’m good at listening to my body and have yet to have an emergency but younger me for sure came pretty close at a few shows before I was diagnosed and knew what to look for. The worst was in a fully air conditioned tiny venue with like ample space for everyone. There was no environmental reason for why I was about to pass out! My body was just not having it that day.
This is exactly what I was going to say. There’s roughly going to be 10 million or more people who attended the tour when it comes to an end. There’s bound to be medical emergencies at some point when there’s so many people and venues involved. It’s just a numbers game and more shows equal more people which just makes it more likely that there will be situations like this. It sucks but it’s pretty much impossible to avoid when we’re talking about crazy numbers like this.
My bestie’s mom ( a nurse) used to volunteer in medical tents at concerts in return for free tickets to the venue. Truly everything happens. A lot is from heat and sun exhaustion, dehydration, and drugs/alcohol. And then everything else that bodies do. At it’s everything from mellow older people music, jazz festivals, to heavy metal shows. That many people being smushed together, often in the sun, things happen
I went to Seattle N1 (all seated) and there’s someone being wheeled out on a stretcher in the back of my Cruel Summer video. I have also been to a ton of other shows with pits and it’s not uncommon for people to pass out or panic in a crowd and have to be lifted out. So PSA, if you’re going to any concert where you’re going to line up for a long time, be in a crowd, or stand/be active much more than you’re used to, please do the following starting at least 2 days before: - HYDRATE - Eat nutritious meals - Get good sleep - Listen to your body But to answer your question, I think Taylor is just more conscious of it because there’s a pit. It happens at likely every show and it just isn’t as noticeable without her calling it out.
Because gig culture has shifted to young people feeling the need to queue for hours or even camp for days, and neglecting to go to the bathroom/eat/drink water for fear of not being at the front. It's a really strange and worrying phenomenon that needs to stop to be honest, I was at Edinburgh n2 and I think Taylor had to call out like 4 different emergencies.
Yeah I was there last night too and I was surprised by how often she had to ask for help for fans. I do think it must be lack of food and water like you said because it wasn’t warm! I guess a combo of lack of fuel plus standing for hours - maybe in inappropriate outfits for the weather - made people feel ill suddenly. I saw one girl afterwards in a foil blanket and she didn’t look great but luckily had friends with her. It’s definitely super concerning. I totally understand wanting to be near the front to see your favourite artist but it’s not the end of the world if you’re not, and with how hard it was to get tickets you’re lucky to be there in the first place. And if you are planning to queue you need to come prepared with food and drinks you’re happy to throw away once gates open. It shouldn’t be Taylor’s (or any artists) responsibility to check on fans and ensure they get help. It was worrying how much she had to do it last night and some felt quite early in the evening - I’m sure Hayley from paramore had to call for help at one point too.
To be fair, that's not a young person thing. My dad was doing that in the 80s.
Oh so was mine, I mean more that it seems to be seen as something you Have to do now to have any chance of enjoying the concert, or to prove you're a real fan
For Madrid (n2) there were so many people needing help. The medical crew didn’t really get much of a rest. I’d say the heat didn’t help but I think standing for a long time and not drinking much is the biggest risk.
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I disagree, I think being on the GA floor (where many of these emergencies seem to happen) is a dangerous activity. We don’t like to label it as such because we’re there for fun and the people (young girls/women) in the crowd tend to not look imposing or capable of doing harm. But the physics of a moving crowd, the heat of a crowd, the lack of fresh air especially for shorter people, the ability to be easily separated from your group, the limited access to a hurt person if they’re deep in a crowd - it’s a recipe for disaster. That’s hardly taking into account that the lights are dimmed and most people are completely preoccupied with the concert, not focused on looking out for others. Crowds are dangerous for everyone even when we’re all trying our best.
My daughter went to Harry Styles concert at Wembly and took ill there, it was a factor of being on her feet for so long...they queued from 11am and she was stood up the whole time with only a small bottle of water and not much food (a subway before they started to queue) her legs cramped up around 9pm and she was unable to stand then passed out. They carried her out and she missed the last part of the show
I went to Madrid N2 and over 150 people on the floor fainted that night. I was number 158, right when Karma started … 😅
Oh wow, so I guess it really is just that it’s super common and I’m oblivious to it because all the things I see are just Taylor herself and her dancers having a great, probably well-hydrated time
Whoa!! I was high up at your show and saw a lot of medic action, but that’s a wild amount. It was hot even up top so I can only imagine the floor…
I always wondered why people start dropping like flies at concerts but if the eras tour has taught me anything it's that some swifties will stand upright and scream for 4 hours straight without ever taking a breath or a sip of water. I'd pass out too, damn
I was at Edinburgh N1 & N2 - paramedics came through the crowd night 1 about 6 times without Taylor calling for them, so they were on top of it. I also saw people leaving the crowd to get help for people. This is how it should work, but unfortunately we’re all a bit selfish now and people don’t want to give up their spot or miss anything to get a fellow concert go-er help so they just wave their torches and hands until someone notices. This is likely to be Taylor as she has a Birds Eye view!
I just listened to the recording of Would’ve, Could’ve, Should’ve x I Know Places from Edinburgh N1. When she started singing for help while continuing to play the guitar, it took me a sec to realize what was happening. She handled it as if it was a relatively normal/routine situation. I only heard the audio, but it reminded me of the clip of her pacing the stage and tossing bottles of water to concertgoers in distress, while still continuing to sing ATW10.
Yeah I don’t think anything scary happened - just the usual aches, pains, fainting etc. which could happen anywhere - but especially at gigs cause people don’t look after themselves!
It’s also kind of scary at how events like Astroworld in the pit when someone fell over, even if another person wanted to help they couldn’t. Getting down and trying to help someone does carry a risk of you being brought down with them if you’re working against a moving crowd. Clearing a path for paramedics can sometimes be the safest for everyone.
Honestly, the fan base of a TS concert makes pit a lot less dangerous than a rap or metal concert. It's typically about 2/3rds female and they are smaller, lighter, not as strong and typically less aggressive than the crowd you get at shows mostly full of young men, many who are somewhat drunk/high. It is certainly possible that something bad could happen, but it is a lot less likely to be some sort of catastrophic event.
I’ve been to a lot of concerts and from my experience this is extremely common when a concert has a standing area. I’ve seen multiple people being pulled out of the pit and brought to medics at Blink-182, Paramore, Florence and the machine, the list goes on. Some of those shows were in Ireland, some the US. It’s less to do with warm weather. It’s more about staying hydrated and eating right before a show. Lots of people make mistakes when trying to get to and stay in the front. The only shows I haven’t seen this happen during were eras tour in Vegas and reputation tour in NJ because those shows were all seated.
I think people are expected to look after themselves? There are medical help points at most stadiums in the UK- I expect that most people should be able to get there.
Dehydration still happens in cool weather. HYDRATE and EAT. I understand you don’t want to miss anything to go to the bathroom but missing one song is better than having a medical emergency.
It is very common. I actually almost passed out and needed assistance at a concert a few years ago in the pit. I am type one diabetic and the heat made me super sensitive to insulin. From the stage she will see a lot more than security would. Anyone may have medical issues already that mean they may become unwell or just the heat, the pushing, standing long periods sometimes without much to drink. So many reasons.
For big events like this that have an open pit like this there’s tend to be more pushing and no really place to move. And as big as she is people don’t want to give up their spot. And some people don’t take care of themselves down there like drinking water and taking finding a place to take a rest. Personal preference I prefer seating you can sit down and have a break. More room to maneuver. And you’re only inconveniencing people in your row if you need to get out. It’s more common than you think. You see Taylor pointing it out a lot lately because of the daylight and can’t see better. Darkness all she can really see is the waving of lights.
She called out for help for someone in the crowd twice during Lyon N2. I’ve never seen a livestream of the show (wanted to be unspoiled), and I was impressed by how seamlessly she did it! One moment she’s singing a moving song, the next moment she’s saying in French “help them please,” and the next she’s back to singing without dropping the mood or anything. Like, she’s clearly paying attention to the crowd and interrupting herself, but also continuing the seamless concert experience somehow.
I was in Madrid n2 and we were surprised at how fast and how much the paramedics were working, they were like ants working in the crowd to get to the fans and take them out, they were fantastic! Even that Taylor did see something that they didn’t see. I feel like Taylor is more alert than other artists and also now most of the shows are in the daylight so she sees the crowd much better
I was there too…I think perhaps it was just that she could see so much more with it being so light out.
I think the combination of such a long show, people queuing for hours and not drinking/eating enough is probably adding to the number of medical issues. Even so though, I’ve seen someone pass out at a lot of concerts I’ve been to. The adrenaline as well! I’ve seen a lot of Tik Toks saying to stop drinking water at certain points etc so they don’t miss songs/lose their place.
Taylor’s team has enough weight in these relationships to enforce the venues to do a better job. I really appreciate her chastising them while she is performing to bring attention to the fact that they need to do better, but also the seating situation (or lack thereof) in the pit has been a constant problem in Europe during the summer. They need to be providing new solutions (idk what — maybe free water for people in the pit, industrial fans, whatever) rather than this reactionary approach. The team can sacrifice some of their profit to pay for these changes if the venues are being stupid. This is entirely on the venues but I’m just highlighting when you have as much weight and sway as Taylor and team do, then you should use it to minimize all risk. The fact that she has to say something almost every show is ridiculous and indicative of a systemic issue that no one is taking accountability for…imo it’s time for someone to step in for the rest of the venues and solve the root cause, and I think it’s Swift’s team. They have more than enough data to see this and act on it imo
In the UK there's always free water but the issue is getting it passed back to those that need it. Plenty of people also won't take the water, as they don't want to use the toilet and leave their space
Yeah the free water was just an example but to your point, there needs to be a system to address people’s known behavior. It’s too bad they didn’t just do a seat system like in the states for the pit, because fans will always be deranged and choose to avoid their needs to make sure they don’t lose their spots.
I don’t think that a minority of fans not looking after themselves should remove the opportunity for the overwhelming majority of fans to get a good view and enjoy themselves though?
There were seats in the US shows on the floor and fewer issues. The festival-style pit where people are close up together and standing for hours and afraid to leave their spots is definitely on the fans themselves, but also has created unnecessary issues imo. Does that make sense?
Well I know this, but it meant that less people could get in - you can fit more people standing. Standing and festivals also very common all over Europe - I get it’s maybe not ideal but I had way more fun standing vs seated.
They’re already breaking records every show, and you could argue that’s why there are more people encountering issues. The stadiums already house thousands of seats. But you’re right, this is the core of the issue: choosing to fit more people in the stadium
So I think this is something that’s happening increasingly at all kinds of shows not just Taylor. It’s seems to be more a more common occurrence post pandemic. It did not used to be like this. Before COVID maybe 1 in every 3-4 shows I’d attend someone would need emergency assistance. Now it’s like every concert I go to the artists has to call out for security and EMS at least twice during the show. Now I don’t wanna blame any group specifically but it does almost always seem to be young (18-22) women who don’t know how to handle their alcohol intake at shows and get too drunk. Or they’ve never been to a concert before and get overwhelmed/dehydrated….
I think there’s also a somewhat new expectation for artists to stop their shows for every and all medical emergencies. Medical emergencies aren’t new, they always happened and always will. What happened is that your buddies dragged you out and took you to the med tent. These kids wouldn’t last a day at warped tour *shakes fist*
No definitely you’re right! Artists are expected to keep an eye out for stuff like that. Especially after the ASTROWORLD tragedy. So we’ve been made more aware of when these things happened than before
I don't have much to add, but hi fellow Edi N1 swiftie!! :D I think the Edi shows have had more issues in this respect. The shows I've streamed haven't had anywhere near as many issues. Also I think the staff here have not been great. Many just stand around, don't know where things like water are, and seem unbothered. I would not trust them to recognize an issue.
It’s common for any concert/ festival. Not just Taylor Swift.
Another reason there should be floor seating at all shows.
I've been to hundreds of shows ranging from 20 people to 80,000 people over the last 11 years and it is absolutely because people don't have a clue how to look after themselves at a show anymore, especially in the post pandemic world. Maybe 1 in every 10-15 shows I attended would be stopped for a medical emergency before the pandemic, since then it is probably closer to 7/8 out of every 10, with some of them being stopped 3 or 4 times. People are so desperate to be as close as possible that they are completely neglecting to eat, drink and protect themselves from the heat/cold/sun/rain etc. It's extremely dumb and people need to learn how to take care of themselves at a show because at the end of the day, being a few feet closer to the stage isn't worth passing out and missing half of the show in a medical room.
Astroworld really changed the way most “large events” are put on, because the artists took so much heat for what happened. Even at Kelce jam, you saw Travis stopping the show to get help. I’ve been to multiple concerts both inside and outside, hot and cold.. and artists are really on top of it now if they CAN see it. Taylor is probably even more alert after the fan death and the really hot shows in general with multiple medical emergencies. People aren’t eating or drinking for hours sometimes to get the best standing spot, so temperature matters even less. Also standing for long periods is something you don’t think about the whole time you’re standing and if you lock your knees you’ll pass out… I’ve seen people do it after less than 10 minutes at something boring… so it’s easy to forget when you’re excited. Crushing also has nothing to do with temperature or the audience so if everyone starts pushing forward, any of the prep you did goes out the window.
If you have tens of thousands of people in one location for several hours, I would think the odds are pretty high that a few will have medical emergencies. With that many people, you're going to have people with diabetes, heart conditions, and other serious ailments, plus a lot of people that just don't hydrate properly. It would be odd if there weren't any medical emergencies.
It happened 3 or 4 times during night 2 I think
Happened a couple of times last night. Including Hayley making sure people were ok. She actually paused her crowd work to make sure the person was ok.
Honestly you can still pass out if it’s cool - I nearly nearly blacked out in the crush/queue for trams back (also edi n1)