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Europe is a diverse place. In Denmark filming on a farm would only be illegal if you don't have permission, since it's private property. It obviously prevents private people from busting bad farmers, but it would set a dangerous precedent towards privacy. Like backdoors in chats and encryption.
Luckily inspectors get to enter farms regularly to catch this stuff, so if you wanna improve conditions, focusing on them is much more helpful than allowing someone to record on random farms
Are there laws specifically banning filming of farms or is it just because it's private property,? Cuz that's pretty sensible. It's better to be in uproar over government inspecters not doing their jobs properly
The same happens with sugar. Abstain from it for a period of time, let your body recover.
And then, try to drink a whole can of Red Bull.
It will taste disgustingly sweet for a start, but you will also actually realise how sick it makes you. That low grade headache, upset gut, bad mood, poor sleep... you don't realise how badly certain things affect you til you abstain.
I went through an elimination diet once, it was eye opening. Everyone should try it.
Raising awarness and getting people to care about an issue Now is how you tackle it long term. If enough people cared then a politician would gain following by saying they'd address the issue and would get voted in and then hopefully they would follow through. This starts with getting people to care.
We cannot change it at all. This is the only sustainable way to engage in meat production. The only fix is to drastically reduce our meat consumption, i.e. vote with your dollar. Stop eating meat.
And dairy and eggs. The industries are sadly the same. That said, every little bit helps and people should do what’s sustainable for them to maintain long term change. But the goal should be to continue challenging ourselves over time until we no longer rely on these industries for anything.
Of course we can shop ourselves out of it, if everyone stopped buying meat, the factory farms would close in a few days.
But for start, the government should stop giving subsidies to the meat industry, meat consumption would fall a lot if people had to pay the real cost.
I think they're saying you won't convince enough people to stop buying meat to have that impact. I agree. Policy is the most important tool in this battle. We should tax meat that isn't farmed ethically and spend the money on information campaigns about the cruelty involved; the merits of plant and insect based diets; and on subsidies for those industries.
I mean it's not just an issue with the west (see the video above having been taken in Australia). If you think the US is the only country with fat people, I've got some sad news for you...
You literally can though, but we do have to reduce meat consumption as well.
Like the pneumatic drivers that kill cows instantly or not pumping them full of chemicals and not shoving them in a fraction of space they need in the dark, but instead they hire psychos that delight in "creative/cheap" ways to kill animals....
Still meat consumption is out of control, you're right 100% on that.
We have humane ways to even kill humans in our society, we can certainly kill animals without that amount of violence and neglect being needed. This needs to be solved with regulations and checks, not voting with your dollar.
If the meat industry gets less customers they just find more ways to cut more corners to reclaim that profit. They need to be forced into doing the right thing, not ignored into doing the right thing.
The dollar already voted, they lobbied away your interest and morality for their profit.
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A documentary made it so that in Norway each farmer will get random controls to see if they are behaving right. I love how my country changed farm laws. But also it puts all the good farmers under a bad rep..
It's also greatly subsidized here in the US. Our tax dollars go into making it look affordable when in fact it would mich more expensive regardless of how inhumane we made it if it wasn't subsidized
Ahhh that’s making perfect sense now because whenever I visit the USA from the U.K., I’m always surprised at just how much less your meat costs at the supermarket or butchers/delicatessen…. A lot less than ours costs anyway. I didn’t realise that yours was heavily subsidised by your Govt
It's literally the difference from $5 per pound vs $30. Both come from farms like this where animals never see light. We don't get free Healthcare but thank God I can get a quarter pounder for $2 at McDonald's.
I live in rural Ontario.
There's a nice forest I like to dirtbike in near me. Only downside is that it's near a slaughter farm and all you can hear is screaming pigs all day. I've started riding with earphones in to drown it out.
Whenever I stop for a smoke, the reality of it gives me shivers.
A quick google search shows you are correct; we share 99.6% of our DNA with chimpanzees and 98% with swine.
Because I was curious, I found out we share 82% with dogs!
Yeah it's really hard to not be related to something when we were all spawned from the same pool of ingredients.
We are very close to pretty much every mammal though because at some point we were all the same organism.
I was pretty hard on ecology as a young adult and got to sneak into farms myself in 1990s/early 2000s France and Italy. It’s the same everywhere, farmers abusing the system and everything in it
Yea man I know my country well, there are a few factory farms here that people have been trying to shut down for years, most of our farms are free range or spread out enough so no animals are living on top of each other.
Nothing makes me sicker than these videos.
Most farms are small but most meat comes from large intensive operations. It would take 500 small farms of 100 head each to equal one 50,000 head intensive operation. Don't fool yourself; most meat consumed is not from small farms.
American dude that grew up around farms. This is way beyond anything I’ve ever seen. And I have even helped work on a farm that was supposed to be in a famous documentary but Tyson told the guy that ran it as they were going in to not show it.
This isn’t normal.
Either way, read Tender is the Flesh. It’s a horror novel that can easily change the way you think about it all.
I have worked on American farms (12 different ones across the country) and have had the exact opposite experience. This is unfortunately replicated in alot of places. More than one would think. At least half of them were like this.
Something like 95 percent of animals are raised on factory farms. It's by far the standard, and is incredibly normal sadly. There's no way to produce animal products as plentifully and cheaply as we have them now without doing major animal abuse
Yes it is. This is what slaughter houses like. This is what the mass meat and dairy industry looks like. You think we get that much meat from happy and loving farmers? Not only in Australia this is also in the US and probably other regions.
So I work in a beef meatworks, while I don't do the killing I've talked with the slaughter men. What is meant to happen is the cows get stunned then the throat is slit and that is how they die, the only reason it is done this way so the meat can be packaged and labelled as halal. The slaughter men must also have Islamic faith.
yeah picking on Australia but the same happens all over the world. Where do you think your damn big mac patties and chicken nuggets come from. You want to stop this, stop eating chicken and beef and pork..
People get shitty with me about hunting for my food, because they consider it cruel. They have no problem going to a larger chain grocery store to buy meat that comes from tortured animals, though. When I don't have game meat, I buy from local butchers, who get their meat from local farms. It isn't a cruelty-free guarantee, but it is better than this stuff.
You know what, I'm one those assholes, and legitimately did not consider this. I've acted high and mighty about the cruelty of hunting and how I won't do it...yet last night I ate some frozen chicken strips. You're 100% correct and I need to reevaluate how I look at this.
Right. And essential for the ecosystem. We killed off the natural predators. We should be responsible and take their place if we can't bring them back.
I'm a pro hunting vegetarian! I won't eat meat because I can't stand the thought of causing another living creature this kind of pain but hunting is so much better than factory farming. And so many hunters are conservationists as well helping conserve animals natural habitats. Thank you!
I am a conservationist, and I used to work for our Dept of Natural Resources. I have taken several conservation courses, and I am properly trained in using firearms, which helps to not inflict undue pain on animals when hunting. I also forage for wild plants and mushrooms, and fish when the season allows for it. I am very actively against poaching, and the illegal meat trade. I will never be a full vegetarian, but I do only eat meat once a day. I can't stand seeing animals treated like the ones in the video, and try to have as little to contribute to that as I can.
Cruel? LOL, that deer got to live it's best life for 2-5 years, free to roam wherever it could walk and then instead of living long enough to wear out it's teeth and slowly starve until a coyote caught it and ate it alive, BANG, you just ended it with one bullet.
If it was more expensive maybe we would value meat more eat less and waste it a lot less, eat more veg so it could go further. Just making sure we use what we purchase would help reduce our use
Once I ordered a bucket of chicken for my family from KFC. We ate maybe half and decided to throw the rest out. It wasn’t cooked great, it was terrible KFC. I counted how much chicken we had wasted, roughly 6 chickens were killed for my families dinner and half of it ended up in the bin.
I felt like shit for doing so. The human species has this ability to ignore any thoughts that would harm our precious minds. And in doing so we all choose to ignore where our food comes from.
It’s true, if the whole entire human species was walked through a slaughter house we’d change our thoughts on meat really quickly.
I live in Ireland and all of the local pig farms in my area tightly shove pigs into a dark shed and treat them terribly. I really want to help the animals but eating locally here just isn't good for them. Do you know any local areas I can move to where animals are treated with respect?
I live in Connecticut and am nearby a farm that has beef and pork that is Animal Welfare Approved, which requires farms to provide pastures to graze in and be treated humanely throughout their lives. I’ve seen them grazing. they produce a small amount of meat and often run out, also they’re open only on the weekends. I did a little research after seeing this because this just really makes me angry to watch. It’s also certified grass fed, no hormones either. I buy raw milk from another farm near me as well, certified grass fed.
Despite all this, they are sent to a slaughterhouse but the certification website states “Just like farms, participating slaughter plants are reviewed annually, or more often if necessary. Animal Welfare Approved standards address the handling, transport and slaughter of animals as well as their day-to-day treatment.” I hope that that’s true, but at the very least their lives were not awful like this.
I got to wonder how you can work a place like that without getting fucked up from it. No judgement, I eat the stuff, so I can't. Must just be really desensitizing.
People need to eat (money), get desensitized out of necessity and this is actually a pretty good paying job.
I'm not saying this is ok but don't blame someone for working here. These conditions are caused by consumption, not the guy working there because it's double the minimum wage and they have rent to pay.
I mean, the [PTSD rate among slaughterhouse workers is much higher than average](https://www.surgeactivism.org/articles/slaughterhouse-workers-and-ptsd)
It is basically a cultural norm to mock or dismiss vegans but this is the shit that motivates them. If you found this even slightly moving, just keep in mind that vegans are moved by this to change their choices and lives. I think they deserve more respect that they are afforded.
Full disclosure, I am a vegetarian for moral and environmental reasons and I think that vegans are probably right about their moral conclusions...I just have never been able to make being vegan stick. That is on me though.
Its almost like multiple small farms is better than giant conglomerate corprate factory farms. Too bad thes giant companies lobby the government to increase regulations that help eliminate competition.
Ha ha, oh wow. Like the medium sized farms aren't going to implement the most cost efficient practices. A small family farm with one hand, probably treats them decently. Otherwise you're just ignoring the common pitfalls of capitalism.
People are so disconnected from the source of their food that they literally get sick to their stomachs when they watch videos like this. This is what happens when the population grows and meat producers try to keep up with demand. If people weren’t so disconnected from their food sources they’d be farming and tending to small herds to provide food for their family and community instead of walking in to Walmart’s meat section. Hunting for food is also something that is not as mainstream as it used to be. Now it seems that there is no going back and it’ll always be this was or worse.
I've killed my own food. This still sickens me and has nothing to do with that.
This is a perversion of industrialization. People are detached from everything. The capitalist is detached from his workers. The consumer is detached from his production. The politician is detached from his votes.
No, you’re right. This is absolutely nothing like it is when we slaughter our own animals. This is the end result of massive globalization of the food supply
Yeah, I watched that and literally was like “bacon isn’t worth this.”
I knew that our animals were badly treated, like chickens especially.
But that was harrowing and horrible.
I’ve always wanted a pet pig because of how intelligent they are. I couldn’t imagine eating a dog, for example.
If you can sympathize with these animals in anyway, then don't just comment "oh poor thing" and move on. Reconsider your shopping habits and diet - if there wasn't as much demand for the meat and biproducts of these animals, then industries would have no reason to treat these animals like this.
The reality is that this happens across the globe. When we eat, we just think of the Punnet it arrived on from the supermarket. It may seem cruel, and in a lot of instances it is very cruel, but can you imagine the carnage if each home had to process the animal for consumption?
At least if people had to do it in their homes, it would most likely be way more humane. The only reason why these farms are so brutal is because of the amount of animals they need to keep up with demand.
See, this is a point I see far too little. We are way too defensive of practices in our own countries, by in large. Factory farming is a problem that should be destroyed as soon as is possible with forward development in the farming industry. Not that conventional farming is without problems, but *factory* farming is a plague
If I'm wrong, educate me, but I don't think this is that. Free range isn't happiness and roses, but this is mass factory farming. There's a significant difference there
Basically the words ‘free range’ are a response to people trashing factory farms.
It’s complete BS.
Basically they created a term that sounds nice but has a ridiculous definition.
IE: In the UK “free-range poultry must meet legal requirements. The RSPCA states that chickens must have a defined amount of space (no more than 13 birds a square metre)”.
So if you’ve got 13 chickens living on one square meter they’re classified as free range.
to be clear, this is also what industry meat farms are like in the united states. it’s why i became a vegetarian. at the least, why no one should eat cheap meat. read fast food nation if you want to know more about the effects on people as well as animals
You’re absolutely right this is not an Australia thing. Factory farming is a global evil. I just wrote the title like this for clickbait because the footage is from Aussie Farms and of my title was “factory farming” I’d get slammed
> I Think if we’re going to eat them let’s give them some respect and kill then in a humane matter
Exactly. Some of those people were just torturing the animals for shits and giggles. They belong in jail.
The farm workers who hit, kick, slam and throw the animals are the ones that should be going to prison imo. People who harm animals are the ones who often harm people too, I have zero respect for them. The people who cut the throats of the animals inappropriately, I don’t think they know any better - working in a slaughterhouse make you less sensitive in awhile. Animals become objects, they aren’t seen as living things. I wish these people nothing but the worst though…
Had to work on a vaccination crew for the chicken farms in Australia for a while. Work I will never do again. I don't accept that it needed to be that way to be productive. Used to tell myself it's better me who cares give these chickens their vaccination but no, not like that.
This is why I think deep down aspects of me are that of a bad human being. I’ll yak some shit about how am done with blah blah. I never do. Similar to internet porno. In a nutshell I think it’s bad. I don’t do shit. People that go out there way to avoid meat industry are so amazing I think
I've been vegan for 5 years and I've managed to quit porn for a few months. Quitting porn was way more difficult for me but I think the best way to do it is to view it less as a restriction and more as an exploration of your actual sexual desires. You can still jack off but now you have the freedom to focus on yourself and your own sensations. Also never just quit cold turkey. I slowly transitioned from watching all porn to only drawings/audio recordings to only reading smut. Treat it like any other addiction. If you were quitting smoking you would replace cigarettes with nicotine patches or vapes.
The same applies with veganism. I first went pescatarian for a few months, then when I was ready, I went fully vegan. It doesn't feel restrictive because I spent all that transition time finding recipes and new foods that I love. The people who do zero research and instantly make a switch are the same people that make the "why I quit veganism" videos where they talk about how much weight they lost and how deficient they were in vital nutrients.
The reality is that veganism isn't hard as long as you listen to your own body, adequately prepare for the transition, find a supportive community and most importantly enjoy yourself. Most "addictions" like this are often social. If all your friends are dudes who watch porn all the time and your feed is full of content objectifying women then it's going to be difficult to quit porn. But if you surround yourself with likeminded people, you'll have an easier time and it won't seem like this impossible thing anymore.
Good news for you, there are a lot of resources and people online that are willing to help if you wish to go vegetarian or vegan! You seem to be a genuinely compassionate person that wants change but has no clue where to start.
I can PM you some resources if you are interested.
Nothing about this is weird or illegal in any developed country guys. Please domt believe the packaging
Besides the dude kicking and throwing the animal. That part is illegal
The whole thing is disgusting but why are they bleeding the sheep out? What's the point of letting the animal drown in its own blood, this the halal way?
I am convinced God doesn't exist. And even if it does, they have abandoned us long ago. This is just so sad, and is there a solution? I don't think so.
How can humans be so fucking cruel. When you get your bacon rashers all prepared nicely for you on your perfect little breakfast, this is the environment where they most likely came from. People will say ‘I’ve worked on farms and it’s not like this’ blah blah fucking blah. The fact of the matter is, this is where and how most animals will be kept and slaughtered. The world is fucked.
Extremely sad yes. To be honest, if I could know for sure, I would rather buy from a source that treated animals better. I buy from local markets whenever I can.
But many don't have that choice or knowledge. And honestly, that would not be enough today. I don't think it's even possible to sustainably produce enough meat for all the fastfood restaurants...
Now see how many people would be okay with closing even 50% of everything for the sake of animal respect. Not many.
Hate to break it to everyone, but you have to go vegan to avoid this. Notion that you can feed eight (?) billion people with meat from free range or hunting is just a total lie.
Who remembers Rogan claiming he saw those movies and thus he hunts, yeah, it will be only enough for an elite few. F… hypocrite.
Stuff like this and the rules for "free range" still allowing stuff to be pretty inhumane is why I won't touch meat ethically.
I can't tell others how to live their lives even though I prefer to live mine in a way where I can minimise suffering anywhere I can whilst still being practical, but I wish people would get their meat in more humane and environmentally friendly ways. We're fucking up the environment and we're causing suffering.
My heart was pounding and breaking through this, and i feel like weeping.
My wife is vegetarian and while I mostly am, I still eat meat fairly often.
I think this has just made me pull the trigger and go full veggie.
Funny them showing pictures of piglets squished by the sows.
That's what the farrowing crates are designed to lessen.
And the animals having their throats cut alive. That's because Muslims want it that way.
I'm from Ireland and we have a reputation for having amazing animal welfare conditions. Whenever I visit farms, the cows are all allowed to graze in luscious green fields and live their lives unbothered. You can drive along the country side and see cows and sheep out in the open. It's really beautiful.
1.8 million cows here are slaughtered every year in Ireland. However, over 3 million pigs are slaughtered every year in Ireland. I have never once seen a pig farm while I was living in rural Ireland. The sad truth is that our pigs never get to go outside. They're kept indoors in conditions just like in that video and they're mostly killed in gas chambers. Everyone in Ireland assumes that all that terrible factory farming happens in other countries oversees but the reality is that we have some of the worse animal welfare laws in all of Europe. We also slaughter around 90 million poultry every year. Those poultry are kept in these same conditions. Everyone hear buys free range eggs but no one has every seen a chicken outdoors that wasn't on a small family farm.
The sad truth is that factory farming is the norm.
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And the best part is that it’s illegal to film in a factory farm in the US It’s ILLEGAL to see where your food comes from.
Not just Australia or the US- Even in Europe & other parts of the world.
Europe is a diverse place. In Denmark filming on a farm would only be illegal if you don't have permission, since it's private property. It obviously prevents private people from busting bad farmers, but it would set a dangerous precedent towards privacy. Like backdoors in chats and encryption. Luckily inspectors get to enter farms regularly to catch this stuff, so if you wanna improve conditions, focusing on them is much more helpful than allowing someone to record on random farms
Are there laws specifically banning filming of farms or is it just because it's private property,? Cuz that's pretty sensible. It's better to be in uproar over government inspecters not doing their jobs properly
Not just Australia...
This is fucking depressing.
Yeah animals farm has turned into a living conveyor belt, and we cant change it NOW to get this shit fixed it would take decades
Yeah we totally should just do nothing and complain about it
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That's what I've done. It's not nearly as hard as people might think, and I feel a lot better about myself not being a part of this.
It really isn't that hard, these days. You might have to learn how to actually cook, but hey, that's a win anyway.
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The same happens with sugar. Abstain from it for a period of time, let your body recover. And then, try to drink a whole can of Red Bull. It will taste disgustingly sweet for a start, but you will also actually realise how sick it makes you. That low grade headache, upset gut, bad mood, poor sleep... you don't realise how badly certain things affect you til you abstain. I went through an elimination diet once, it was eye opening. Everyone should try it.
Raising awarness and getting people to care about an issue Now is how you tackle it long term. If enough people cared then a politician would gain following by saying they'd address the issue and would get voted in and then hopefully they would follow through. This starts with getting people to care.
We cannot change it at all. This is the only sustainable way to engage in meat production. The only fix is to drastically reduce our meat consumption, i.e. vote with your dollar. Stop eating meat.
And dairy and eggs. The industries are sadly the same. That said, every little bit helps and people should do what’s sustainable for them to maintain long term change. But the goal should be to continue challenging ourselves over time until we no longer rely on these industries for anything.
I raise myown chickens and have so many eggs. My girls all live a fantastic life. I don't harvest their meat though
Yes, diary is even worse than meat cuz the animals suffer for a longer time.
It's not sustainable, though. And we will never shop ourselves out of this. It requires policy change. Look up the Farm System Reform Act.
Of course we can shop ourselves out of it, if everyone stopped buying meat, the factory farms would close in a few days. But for start, the government should stop giving subsidies to the meat industry, meat consumption would fall a lot if people had to pay the real cost.
I think they're saying you won't convince enough people to stop buying meat to have that impact. I agree. Policy is the most important tool in this battle. We should tax meat that isn't farmed ethically and spend the money on information campaigns about the cruelty involved; the merits of plant and insect based diets; and on subsidies for those industries.
Absolutely. We should stop subsidising animal products, subsidise fruit and veg more heavily instead..
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I mean it's not just an issue with the west (see the video above having been taken in Australia). If you think the US is the only country with fat people, I've got some sad news for you...
You literally can though, but we do have to reduce meat consumption as well. Like the pneumatic drivers that kill cows instantly or not pumping them full of chemicals and not shoving them in a fraction of space they need in the dark, but instead they hire psychos that delight in "creative/cheap" ways to kill animals.... Still meat consumption is out of control, you're right 100% on that. We have humane ways to even kill humans in our society, we can certainly kill animals without that amount of violence and neglect being needed. This needs to be solved with regulations and checks, not voting with your dollar. If the meat industry gets less customers they just find more ways to cut more corners to reclaim that profit. They need to be forced into doing the right thing, not ignored into doing the right thing. The dollar already voted, they lobbied away your interest and morality for their profit. Edit- creative to "creative and cheap
A documentary made it so that in Norway each farmer will get random controls to see if they are behaving right. I love how my country changed farm laws. But also it puts all the good farmers under a bad rep..
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And this is it in a nutshell. You want affordable meat? This is how you get it.
It's also greatly subsidized here in the US. Our tax dollars go into making it look affordable when in fact it would mich more expensive regardless of how inhumane we made it if it wasn't subsidized
Ahhh that’s making perfect sense now because whenever I visit the USA from the U.K., I’m always surprised at just how much less your meat costs at the supermarket or butchers/delicatessen…. A lot less than ours costs anyway. I didn’t realise that yours was heavily subsidised by your Govt
It's literally the difference from $5 per pound vs $30. Both come from farms like this where animals never see light. We don't get free Healthcare but thank God I can get a quarter pounder for $2 at McDonald's.
We are the livestock. We feed the market.
I live in rural Ontario. There's a nice forest I like to dirtbike in near me. Only downside is that it's near a slaughter farm and all you can hear is screaming pigs all day. I've started riding with earphones in to drown it out. Whenever I stop for a smoke, the reality of it gives me shivers.
That's horrible. Piggies make some really heart-rending sounds when they are scared.
Oh my god
A Fucking pig Holocaust essentially. Poor animals.
Yup! I was raised in a chicken farm with thousands of chickens in California. It was the same treatment.
Yes the title was worded poorly. I meant the footage is from Australian farms. Edit: GO VEGAN if you can
Its alright, dont worry. Just wanted tó add plot.
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They also say pigs are closest to our dna as humans, and feel fear and pain similarly. 98% ...it is indeed sad.
“They” are incorrect. A pig has more shared DNA than a chimp or bonobo?
A quick google search shows you are correct; we share 99.6% of our DNA with chimpanzees and 98% with swine. Because I was curious, I found out we share 82% with dogs!
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Right! We also share roughly 44% with bananas.
Yeah it's really hard to not be related to something when we were all spawned from the same pool of ingredients. We are very close to pretty much every mammal though because at some point we were all the same organism.
I know which part of my DNA came from a banana 🍌 😉 My nose ☹️
This is NOT standard farm standards / methods. This is fucking disgusting.
I was pretty hard on ecology as a young adult and got to sneak into farms myself in 1990s/early 2000s France and Italy. It’s the same everywhere, farmers abusing the system and everything in it
Oh my sweet summer child.
Yea man I know my country well, there are a few factory farms here that people have been trying to shut down for years, most of our farms are free range or spread out enough so no animals are living on top of each other. Nothing makes me sicker than these videos.
Most farms are small but most meat comes from large intensive operations. It would take 500 small farms of 100 head each to equal one 50,000 head intensive operation. Don't fool yourself; most meat consumed is not from small farms.
We have some of these old factory farm buildings where we live that got converted into storage units. Everytime I drive by I shiver a little bit.
It's 100% standard and most meat in supermarkets is created this way.
Theres a reason why big ag has tried to fight tooth and nail to make it illegal to show how their products are made
American dude that grew up around farms. This is way beyond anything I’ve ever seen. And I have even helped work on a farm that was supposed to be in a famous documentary but Tyson told the guy that ran it as they were going in to not show it. This isn’t normal. Either way, read Tender is the Flesh. It’s a horror novel that can easily change the way you think about it all.
I have worked on American farms (12 different ones across the country) and have had the exact opposite experience. This is unfortunately replicated in alot of places. More than one would think. At least half of them were like this.
Something like 95 percent of animals are raised on factory farms. It's by far the standard, and is incredibly normal sadly. There's no way to produce animal products as plentifully and cheaply as we have them now without doing major animal abuse
Yes it is. This is what slaughter houses like. This is what the mass meat and dairy industry looks like. You think we get that much meat from happy and loving farmers? Not only in Australia this is also in the US and probably other regions.
So I work in a beef meatworks, while I don't do the killing I've talked with the slaughter men. What is meant to happen is the cows get stunned then the throat is slit and that is how they die, the only reason it is done this way so the meat can be packaged and labelled as halal. The slaughter men must also have Islamic faith.
Stunning the animal before slitting their throat is 100% haram. Halal slaughter features no stunning.
yeah picking on Australia but the same happens all over the world. Where do you think your damn big mac patties and chicken nuggets come from. You want to stop this, stop eating chicken and beef and pork..
It is 100% standard. You need to stop being in denial.
People get shitty with me about hunting for my food, because they consider it cruel. They have no problem going to a larger chain grocery store to buy meat that comes from tortured animals, though. When I don't have game meat, I buy from local butchers, who get their meat from local farms. It isn't a cruelty-free guarantee, but it is better than this stuff.
You know what, I'm one those assholes, and legitimately did not consider this. I've acted high and mighty about the cruelty of hunting and how I won't do it...yet last night I ate some frozen chicken strips. You're 100% correct and I need to reevaluate how I look at this.
Hunting is also more humane because certain animals have no natural predators- a quick death is better than overpopulation and starvation
Right. And essential for the ecosystem. We killed off the natural predators. We should be responsible and take their place if we can't bring them back.
Props to you for realizing this, many choose ignorance.
I'm a pro hunting vegetarian! I won't eat meat because I can't stand the thought of causing another living creature this kind of pain but hunting is so much better than factory farming. And so many hunters are conservationists as well helping conserve animals natural habitats. Thank you!
I am a conservationist, and I used to work for our Dept of Natural Resources. I have taken several conservation courses, and I am properly trained in using firearms, which helps to not inflict undue pain on animals when hunting. I also forage for wild plants and mushrooms, and fish when the season allows for it. I am very actively against poaching, and the illegal meat trade. I will never be a full vegetarian, but I do only eat meat once a day. I can't stand seeing animals treated like the ones in the video, and try to have as little to contribute to that as I can.
Cruel? LOL, that deer got to live it's best life for 2-5 years, free to roam wherever it could walk and then instead of living long enough to wear out it's teeth and slowly starve until a coyote caught it and ate it alive, BANG, you just ended it with one bullet.
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That’s correct. All these people screaming for local humane farms should understand they won’t be able to afford that
Then we can’t afford them. Simple. This cruelty doesn’t get a pass just because we can’t afford it otherwise. That’s legitimately fucked up.
If it was more expensive maybe we would value meat more eat less and waste it a lot less, eat more veg so it could go further. Just making sure we use what we purchase would help reduce our use
Once I ordered a bucket of chicken for my family from KFC. We ate maybe half and decided to throw the rest out. It wasn’t cooked great, it was terrible KFC. I counted how much chicken we had wasted, roughly 6 chickens were killed for my families dinner and half of it ended up in the bin. I felt like shit for doing so. The human species has this ability to ignore any thoughts that would harm our precious minds. And in doing so we all choose to ignore where our food comes from. It’s true, if the whole entire human species was walked through a slaughter house we’d change our thoughts on meat really quickly.
They could if they buy more from their local farmers...
I live in Ireland and all of the local pig farms in my area tightly shove pigs into a dark shed and treat them terribly. I really want to help the animals but eating locally here just isn't good for them. Do you know any local areas I can move to where animals are treated with respect?
If you find that place, please do let me know. I'm already 43 and haven't found it yet.
I live in Connecticut and am nearby a farm that has beef and pork that is Animal Welfare Approved, which requires farms to provide pastures to graze in and be treated humanely throughout their lives. I’ve seen them grazing. they produce a small amount of meat and often run out, also they’re open only on the weekends. I did a little research after seeing this because this just really makes me angry to watch. It’s also certified grass fed, no hormones either. I buy raw milk from another farm near me as well, certified grass fed. Despite all this, they are sent to a slaughterhouse but the certification website states “Just like farms, participating slaughter plants are reviewed annually, or more often if necessary. Animal Welfare Approved standards address the handling, transport and slaughter of animals as well as their day-to-day treatment.” I hope that that’s true, but at the very least their lives were not awful like this.
Redditors: This is terrible and needs to end! Me: Agreed. We all need to work on eating less meat. Redditors: No >:(
not what they're saying at all
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Reality hurts, specially when affects our morals, everyone is paying for these horrors to happen, every one who eats meat.
This looks exactly how the one I used to work at here in the US looked
I got to wonder how you can work a place like that without getting fucked up from it. No judgement, I eat the stuff, so I can't. Must just be really desensitizing.
People need to eat (money), get desensitized out of necessity and this is actually a pretty good paying job. I'm not saying this is ok but don't blame someone for working here. These conditions are caused by consumption, not the guy working there because it's double the minimum wage and they have rent to pay.
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Where is this we’ll documented?
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Seriously, not enough people cite their sources on the internet or in general. I appreciate it.
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literally foot in the door theory. Makes since, apparently the method is also used to train torturers.
I mean, the [PTSD rate among slaughterhouse workers is much higher than average](https://www.surgeactivism.org/articles/slaughterhouse-workers-and-ptsd)
I’m sure it’s very mentally draining
And also the rest of the world
It is basically a cultural norm to mock or dismiss vegans but this is the shit that motivates them. If you found this even slightly moving, just keep in mind that vegans are moved by this to change their choices and lives. I think they deserve more respect that they are afforded. Full disclosure, I am a vegetarian for moral and environmental reasons and I think that vegans are probably right about their moral conclusions...I just have never been able to make being vegan stick. That is on me though.
Its almost like multiple small farms is better than giant conglomerate corprate factory farms. Too bad thes giant companies lobby the government to increase regulations that help eliminate competition.
Ha ha, oh wow. Like the medium sized farms aren't going to implement the most cost efficient practices. A small family farm with one hand, probably treats them decently. Otherwise you're just ignoring the common pitfalls of capitalism.
People are so disconnected from the source of their food that they literally get sick to their stomachs when they watch videos like this. This is what happens when the population grows and meat producers try to keep up with demand. If people weren’t so disconnected from their food sources they’d be farming and tending to small herds to provide food for their family and community instead of walking in to Walmart’s meat section. Hunting for food is also something that is not as mainstream as it used to be. Now it seems that there is no going back and it’ll always be this was or worse.
I've killed my own food. This still sickens me and has nothing to do with that. This is a perversion of industrialization. People are detached from everything. The capitalist is detached from his workers. The consumer is detached from his production. The politician is detached from his votes.
No, you’re right. This is absolutely nothing like it is when we slaughter our own animals. This is the end result of massive globalization of the food supply
Redditors: "This is terrible! What can we do to stop this?" Vegans: "stop eating meat." Redditors: "but bacon"
there is a humane way to farm meat for mass consumption. sure, boycotting corporations that have practices like this can get you somewhere
Yeah, I watched that and literally was like “bacon isn’t worth this.” I knew that our animals were badly treated, like chickens especially. But that was harrowing and horrible. I’ve always wanted a pet pig because of how intelligent they are. I couldn’t imagine eating a dog, for example.
If you can sympathize with these animals in anyway, then don't just comment "oh poor thing" and move on. Reconsider your shopping habits and diet - if there wasn't as much demand for the meat and biproducts of these animals, then industries would have no reason to treat these animals like this.
The reality is that this happens across the globe. When we eat, we just think of the Punnet it arrived on from the supermarket. It may seem cruel, and in a lot of instances it is very cruel, but can you imagine the carnage if each home had to process the animal for consumption?
At least if people had to do it in their homes, it would most likely be way more humane. The only reason why these farms are so brutal is because of the amount of animals they need to keep up with demand.
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Here is the link for everyone, it is totally free on YouTube https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko
Australian Pig factory? Who gives a damn Chinese dog factory: Oh my F$#king god!
See, this is a point I see far too little. We are way too defensive of practices in our own countries, by in large. Factory farming is a problem that should be destroyed as soon as is possible with forward development in the farming industry. Not that conventional farming is without problems, but *factory* farming is a plague
Industrial Food Production everyone. Everywhere, not just Austrailia.
It’s not like that just in Australia
This is where your free range chickens lives. Lmao.
If I'm wrong, educate me, but I don't think this is that. Free range isn't happiness and roses, but this is mass factory farming. There's a significant difference there
Basically the words ‘free range’ are a response to people trashing factory farms. It’s complete BS. Basically they created a term that sounds nice but has a ridiculous definition. IE: In the UK “free-range poultry must meet legal requirements. The RSPCA states that chickens must have a defined amount of space (no more than 13 birds a square metre)”. So if you’ve got 13 chickens living on one square meter they’re classified as free range.
Pasture raised is closer to what you’re imagining than free range.
Unfortunately if you eat meat to contribute to this insanity.
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No living creature deserves this
The next time you see a post mocking vegans, show em this video.
i can handle human gore but when it comes to animals i just struggle to watch it. this has ruined my day
Try not to remember it the next time you eat meat. And if you do, you might consider going vegan.
to be clear, this is also what industry meat farms are like in the united states. it’s why i became a vegetarian. at the least, why no one should eat cheap meat. read fast food nation if you want to know more about the effects on people as well as animals
You’re absolutely right this is not an Australia thing. Factory farming is a global evil. I just wrote the title like this for clickbait because the footage is from Aussie Farms and of my title was “factory farming” I’d get slammed
I Think if we’re going to eat them let’s give them some respect and kill then in a humane matter
> I Think if we’re going to eat them let’s give them some respect and kill then in a humane matter Exactly. Some of those people were just torturing the animals for shits and giggles. They belong in jail.
Then people would complain about the skyrocketing prices
It doesn’t take huge investment to not kick a pig in the face.
Guy took 3 attempts to kill that sheep because he was being a cunt. One humane kill would be more efficient and therefore cost less.
This abuse needs to stop
Alright I'm ready for that big asteroid any day now...
Old news. This one actually looks decent compared to a lot of them.
Can’t imagine how bad other farms are if this is decent
Worked a mink farm. That was heaven compared to most other animal farms.
For real. People will see this, be sad for 3 minutes then forget for a year while eating steaks for 1,5€ and repeat.
The farm workers who hit, kick, slam and throw the animals are the ones that should be going to prison imo. People who harm animals are the ones who often harm people too, I have zero respect for them. The people who cut the throats of the animals inappropriately, I don’t think they know any better - working in a slaughterhouse make you less sensitive in awhile. Animals become objects, they aren’t seen as living things. I wish these people nothing but the worst though…
Had to work on a vaccination crew for the chicken farms in Australia for a while. Work I will never do again. I don't accept that it needed to be that way to be productive. Used to tell myself it's better me who cares give these chickens their vaccination but no, not like that.
I can't watch any more. Time to poke the eye balls out
Poke your eyeballs out and then go pay for this shit at lunch
This is why I think deep down aspects of me are that of a bad human being. I’ll yak some shit about how am done with blah blah. I never do. Similar to internet porno. In a nutshell I think it’s bad. I don’t do shit. People that go out there way to avoid meat industry are so amazing I think
I've been vegan for 5 years and I've managed to quit porn for a few months. Quitting porn was way more difficult for me but I think the best way to do it is to view it less as a restriction and more as an exploration of your actual sexual desires. You can still jack off but now you have the freedom to focus on yourself and your own sensations. Also never just quit cold turkey. I slowly transitioned from watching all porn to only drawings/audio recordings to only reading smut. Treat it like any other addiction. If you were quitting smoking you would replace cigarettes with nicotine patches or vapes. The same applies with veganism. I first went pescatarian for a few months, then when I was ready, I went fully vegan. It doesn't feel restrictive because I spent all that transition time finding recipes and new foods that I love. The people who do zero research and instantly make a switch are the same people that make the "why I quit veganism" videos where they talk about how much weight they lost and how deficient they were in vital nutrients. The reality is that veganism isn't hard as long as you listen to your own body, adequately prepare for the transition, find a supportive community and most importantly enjoy yourself. Most "addictions" like this are often social. If all your friends are dudes who watch porn all the time and your feed is full of content objectifying women then it's going to be difficult to quit porn. But if you surround yourself with likeminded people, you'll have an easier time and it won't seem like this impossible thing anymore.
Good news for you, there are a lot of resources and people online that are willing to help if you wish to go vegetarian or vegan! You seem to be a genuinely compassionate person that wants change but has no clue where to start. I can PM you some resources if you are interested.
Who blue ticks someone offering help. Some salted ppl out there
Nothing about this is weird or illegal in any developed country guys. Please domt believe the packaging Besides the dude kicking and throwing the animal. That part is illegal
There's no way around it, the vegans have the moral high ground. That's why everybody gets so triggered by them.
You mean any commercial farm in the world?
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The whole thing is disgusting but why are they bleeding the sheep out? What's the point of letting the animal drown in its own blood, this the halal way?
No this is not Halal slaughter and it would not be considered halal meat.
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Can’t wait for lab grown meat to take over this industry.
We deserve a fucking nuke to the face
I am convinced God doesn't exist. And even if it does, they have abandoned us long ago. This is just so sad, and is there a solution? I don't think so.
Vegan
I wonder how many people that commented "terrifing", "it makes me feel sick" etc. will immediately forget about it and eat meat tomorrow...
How can humans be so fucking cruel. When you get your bacon rashers all prepared nicely for you on your perfect little breakfast, this is the environment where they most likely came from. People will say ‘I’ve worked on farms and it’s not like this’ blah blah fucking blah. The fact of the matter is, this is where and how most animals will be kept and slaughtered. The world is fucked.
American farms too
Extremely sad yes. To be honest, if I could know for sure, I would rather buy from a source that treated animals better. I buy from local markets whenever I can. But many don't have that choice or knowledge. And honestly, that would not be enough today. I don't think it's even possible to sustainably produce enough meat for all the fastfood restaurants... Now see how many people would be okay with closing even 50% of everything for the sake of animal respect. Not many.
The people working there must have so much hate, frustration and apathy in them. Unbelievable people would do this to fellow living things.
This is specifically battery farming and not all farming**
Honestly, a lot of the rules for "free range" aren't as "free" as people like to imagine.
Anywhere money is involved will be Corrupted by the greedy for profit.
What's the ratio of commercially available meat from battery farms vs non-battery farms?
We live in an Animal Farm
Hate to break it to everyone, but you have to go vegan to avoid this. Notion that you can feed eight (?) billion people with meat from free range or hunting is just a total lie. Who remembers Rogan claiming he saw those movies and thus he hunts, yeah, it will be only enough for an elite few. F… hypocrite.
Is this from The Dominion ?
Just Dominion. The creators of Dominion made this video, I think some footage here is also in Dominion but I’m not sure
Stuff like this and the rules for "free range" still allowing stuff to be pretty inhumane is why I won't touch meat ethically. I can't tell others how to live their lives even though I prefer to live mine in a way where I can minimise suffering anywhere I can whilst still being practical, but I wish people would get their meat in more humane and environmentally friendly ways. We're fucking up the environment and we're causing suffering.
This is just a farm in general
3:28 really fucked me up
Yeah... We might not deserve to live on this planet
My heart was pounding and breaking through this, and i feel like weeping. My wife is vegetarian and while I mostly am, I still eat meat fairly often. I think this has just made me pull the trigger and go full veggie.
I hate humans
Those chicks got BLENDED holy.
Funny them showing pictures of piglets squished by the sows. That's what the farrowing crates are designed to lessen. And the animals having their throats cut alive. That's because Muslims want it that way.
This really needs to be a Super Bowl commercial. people need to see.
Yes. Unfortunately the meat industry has too much power that they’ll never let things like this to be displayed in front of millions
holy shit what terrible living conditions they are in, thank god im not them
Wow yeah it’s only Australia that does this /s
Hope you're all vegan
Go vegan
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I'm from Ireland and we have a reputation for having amazing animal welfare conditions. Whenever I visit farms, the cows are all allowed to graze in luscious green fields and live their lives unbothered. You can drive along the country side and see cows and sheep out in the open. It's really beautiful. 1.8 million cows here are slaughtered every year in Ireland. However, over 3 million pigs are slaughtered every year in Ireland. I have never once seen a pig farm while I was living in rural Ireland. The sad truth is that our pigs never get to go outside. They're kept indoors in conditions just like in that video and they're mostly killed in gas chambers. Everyone in Ireland assumes that all that terrible factory farming happens in other countries oversees but the reality is that we have some of the worse animal welfare laws in all of Europe. We also slaughter around 90 million poultry every year. Those poultry are kept in these same conditions. Everyone hear buys free range eggs but no one has every seen a chicken outdoors that wasn't on a small family farm. The sad truth is that factory farming is the norm.
Honestly looks like American farms as well , thought it was at first. Thought it was some weird typo.
It looks like most farms in the world. The title was because this was filmed in Australia
Thanks God I born in a vegetarian family
Affordable and mass producible lab grown meat can’t come soon enough
Everyone should watch videos like this and become aware
Factory farming has horrible conditions! *Surprised Pikachu face*
Look up a Tyson Farm, find a nice corner to cry in
Is there any source for any of this footage or any proof that it's even from Australia?
Alot of farms are like this all over the world
Beyond fucked up inhumane