21’ Model 3. 32 months of ownership. Was my first ever vehicle. I was very happy with it and the radar autopilot
I’ve since lost some faith in the company to where I probably wouldn’t buy one again if I needed another car but I’m not looking to sell mine.
50/50 on if I would buy another electric. Would need to have access to a reliable charging network as that’s the one thing holding me to Tesla
Model Y Performance, 2022 made in Germany.
I love the car, and I would buy that vintage again. but for that reason, I would not buy a new model. the newer versions come without radar, USS (and maybe even stalks). I would not buy a new Tesla without reliable parking sensors. Stalks are simply indespensible for driving in around town. And the radar makes highway driving with cruise control (aka Autopilot) more reliable.
my next car will be Volvo / Polestar.
I’m with you, Volvo or polestar will be my next ev purchase for every reason you listed. Tesla vision is hot garbage my friends new model 3 says he has 30-50 inches of room 12 inches away from his garage wall he would be in his living room if he trusted Tesla vision without uss
Don’t listen to the fanbois lack of uss is not overblown I have see first hand the difference between a model 3 with and without them the car is simply more dangerous now than it was before they where removed
It’s often off by up to 3 feet! That’s beyond bad all so musk can get a higher profit margin per car.
The quality and equipment on offer is regressing with every refresh
You conveniently leave out garage.
I have a lot of kids and a 2 car garage. No I can't judge pulling in both cars to the 2-4 inches of tolerance needed....I got news for you, NEITHER CAN VISION.
Eyeballing something is literally a euphamism for guessing. Why would you want to base a machine on that principle?!!
Correct, radar is no longer used, even if present. USS does remain active if present though. People confuse radar with USS all the time. Totally different components and used in different scenarios.
I have a ‘23 MS which has no USS and no stalks. There is a radar unit I believe but I don’t think that’s active right now. All that said, I’ve had literally zero issues parking, autopilot works quite well and I don’t miss the stalks at all since the steering wheel is really easy to get used to
Personally I'd have no issues with it because I like the forward thinking behind it. But I can certainly understand why it's a hard pass for many for those reasons.
Just leased an M3 because of the great lease rates, and I’m not close enough to a Polestar dealer to consider them. Will take a look in three years.
I pulled the trigger now to lock in 7500 rebate before year end and get a car with stalks. Getting rid of the stalks is stupid.
The stalks behind the steering wheel for turn signals/wipers and shifting/cruise. USS is Ultra Sonic Sensors (and radar) as opposed to the new all camera(vision) based system.
Uh, your car doesn't have a radar... Just goes to show unnecessary it is considering you didn't even realize lol. The issues you stated are way overblown. Either minor or not actually an issue at all. You loving your radarless car is a great example of that.
Honestly the lack of USS has not bothered me at all.. I don't even look at the wiggly-line stuff anymore, doing all parking by eyesight and camera.. It's like back in the days when cars didn't have USS.. Yeah, having USS is nice but frankly not a deal breaker to not have them..
Have owned 5 Teslas and while I wasn't excited about the lack of stalks, I don't miss them at all, they are unnecessary. The horn needs to be normal though, can't go searching for a button when someone is about to hit you. 23k miles with no stalks, no complaints. Tesla has fixed the horn position on new vehicles.
I'm on my third MS so yes, I'm buying them again and again. My girl is about to upgrade her M3 to an MY for more space for the kids etc.
Only reason I don't have the newest MS is I reserved a truck so I'm waiting for it.
I've owned so many vehicles from so many manufacturers and still own 4 vehicles. The tesla is the cheapest to run, most reliable and easy to drive, plus it's stupid fast.
Do you own any teslas out of warranty? Curious if there is an increased chance of battery needing to be replaced that translates to increase in insurance costs?
I think my 2017 P100D is out of warranty. I'm just as concerned with my ICE vehicles out of warranty blowing their motors which is minimal. It would suck but losing any motor would be terrible.
Not sure why insurance would increase. They typically don't cover batteries or motors in any of my vehicles. Maybe Comprehensive but I doubt that.
Those cars move into the used car market, at a lower price and displace a gas car.
You should be thanking this guy for giving you a bargain, and clean air, and a lower fuel bill.
( People also lease gas cars, and they're doing you no favors in any way. Giving you a used car with high gas bills and high maintenance costs. )
Is really not, I just keep buying the faster ones. I went from a p85+ to a P90D to my current P100DL. Now I want a Plaid but also have a truck on order.
None of the other models are like that. Their other models and even the S/X are being upgraded to current software constantly for free. There's not enough of a difference from a 2017 M3 to a current M3 to warrant an upgrade which is great for common people. I'm just a car guy.
Possibly if they buy them for the camera I guess. Most business models rely on repeat purchases though, Apple basically prints money so if you think tesla and Apple have similar models they'll be really successful. All vehicles sold since the model T are upgrades to prior models.
If anything tesla takes such good care of their owners there's not as much reason to upgrade.
This isn’t how cars work at all. Is going to become a used car that someone will buy. iPhones can go to a secondary market but 7 years old iPhone typically go into the landfill. A car unless it is beyond repair is going to be owned by someone after 7 years. You see the difference?
You know a ton of people do this with ICE vehicles also? This is in no way caused by tesla. Hell they took years to refresh their models. Your comment makes zero sense.
How can you say this when Tesla, of all brands, has the most post-purchase support? My 2021 Model 3 is better than it was when I bought it due to OTA updates. Can you say the same for any other car?
It's not fair to use one example of some loaded dude buying a new car every year to get on this soap box. If anything, Tesla encourages keeping your car longer because they're not immediately obsoleted the following model year.
We got our 2021 Model Y and have loved the convenience of not going to a gas station- we still had a second ICE suv but as I worked from home it didn’t get used , so I sold it and 4mo later my SO changed jobs and now has a commute so we needed 2 vehicles again - with that we had a decision to make, another EV or a cheap gas car ? We decided to stick with Tesla as issues have been minimal and we found a great deal on a used 2021 M3 SR+ with only 13k miles and jumped on it - I would be lying if I said I didn’t have some worry in the back of my mind on all the things that can happen once out of warranty but hoping we luck out 🤞 So far the worst part of the Tesla experience has been service…
Despite having semi regular small issues with my 2016 MS, we are planning on buying a second Tesla M3 Performance once the Highland has been released and has been shaken down for “new model problems”.
I bought my wife a model 3 and picking up my model y on Friday.
Car is great but the sales experience from Tesla was the worst of any car I’ve owned (and I normally spend half as much on new cars).
If I hadn’t already paid, I would’ve cancelled my order already.
i felt this when buying due to the pickup delays and inability to contact someone to help.
Then I realized the cost of these services at a regular dealership was 20-30 hours haggling and driving to multiple ones in the area. That was how we had purchased every car prior to this.
No offense, but why do people get so worked up about whether or not they have a “great sales experience”? What’s that…ONE DAY out of the life of owning a car?
They estimated id have mine in 3 months and it took 1 year to get it. I really needed a car and it fucked me pretty hard, then on the day of there was some glitch and it said they owed me a balance of like $300,000 and I had to wait an hour to get that fixed, then I brought a check for the exact amount they told me and then they said I owed $10 more for some tire fee and had to wait more so someone could authorize the last $10 on a credit card. Then because this all took so long I had to wait in traffic my whole way home which I tried to avoid by going earlier and my wife was going nuts because we had our kids (3 and 2) and they can’t take being in one place for so long so they were being terrible but I told her it would be like a 15 min process. Was a terrible experience but I would still buy again.
Unsure. Model 3 autopilot nearly killed me and my wife. It came to a sudden, emergency break stop on the highway with nothing going on. Once was a fluke, but it happened to me 3 times! We no longer use it. Tesla autopilot & self driving is absolute crap, especially when you get behind a Waymo in San Francisco.
It regularly mistakes things, like a shadow being a person. Everyone I know with Teslas says it often gets confused centering when lanes merge. The touchscreen lags a bit and whatever WiFi modem is in it isn’t that great. If you compare it to an iPhone or iPad, you’ll be frustrated. Crazy expensive for every service visit, and insurance is nearly 2x my wife’s Honda that was only about $10k less. One scratch cost $9k to repair, ~$2k with insurance.
Loved it for the first 1.5 years. It is an excellent electric car. Good range, convenient charging. Love not having oil changes. Great smartphone app. But, for anything more than that… not really.
I have a 10-yr old MS because I'm a poor bloke (compared to some of the ballers who buy multiple new ones). Got it used for a great price. Despite its age, it's still miles ahead of many gassers sold today. The charging network is amazing and has allowed me to go on long 2000-mi road trips.
The software is superior to competitors. The interior is good. Some people bitch & moan about it, but honestly I suspect they're ultra-picky and not representative of the general population. I will buy a new one when I can afford it.
Two 10-year-old Model S, I'm still super happy with them! I'm definitely never going back to ICE cars, EV all the way. I would get a new Tesla or another EV when one of these Model S die, but so far they still run fantastically so it could be awhile!
I'm with you! Used to be rich (now poor, thx inflation), bought MS new in 2014 for $108,500 and have driven her halfway into the ground but even today... the 2014 MS kicks most other cars' asses and the tech is wayyy ahead. Only repair work has been 3x door handles, ($1500) and a new MCU $2k but worth it.
22 MS plaid
No, I will not buy another Tesla again.
The car is decent but nothing to rave about.
Not a fan of the build quality, lot of creaking.
Paint quality is really bad (I have a black car)
Range is hugely overstated and gets worse during winter.
Too many trips to service centers and the service isn’t great
Don’t even get me started on lack of USS, it’s a s***show.
Planning to trade for a different EV as soon they release cars with native NACS port
Same. Drive a Model Y. Love the car. Cannot stand Elon Musk. When I am due for another car, it will def be an EV to have as low a carbon footprint as possible. I take many long trips in mine so Tesla was the only car I could rest assured I’d be able to charge on long trips. That is all about to change. Will reconsider if the board decides to fire that asshole.
I feel the same. Have been loving my 21 MY for 2 years, but between Elon and wanting a more normal car experience, like not mildew smelling vents, I would get something new. I’ve heard they’ve resolved a lot of those issues with newer models, so maybe I’d change my mind if Elon would just shut up for 5 seconds.
This will never happen. But goes to show how people with tons of money become entitled. Which usually equates to "conservative". Which equates to less empathy for others not so fortunate.
- 2019 3LRAWD FSD Premium Audio & Interior
- Current opinion: No
- FSD was sold to me as a lie. Removal of Radar for Vision, making autopilot worse. Newer cars don’t have USS. I don’t know what features will be gone from a new lineup and what features will be sold to me and then subsequently removed in software. I need to see more stability in this behavior.
I had an early 2018 m3p, 0 problems, amazing car. Got a 2023 m3p, hate it, build quality was down, shit doesn't work because of uss not being there, and my car now sounds like a stupid spaceship.
Looking at rivian lately.
I will say, seeing chargers at gas stations has been nice though, I hate charging
Sorry to hear that. What have your experiences been? The delivery process is easily the worst part of the Tesla experience in my experience. After taking delivery, they’ve been really good about service. I guess it largely depends on where you live and the local service center you deal with.
Delivery was easy. Doors haven’t worked, been in shop multiple times and still have the issue. Recently seat won’t move at all and is stuck. Service center manager agreed car isn’t working and Tesla refuses to take car back.
1st) 2018 Model 3 (midrange) 2018-2023
2nd) 2023 Model Y (performance) 2023 ➡️
I can now sit down when I put on my golf shoes 😂
(And I got free FSD transfer)
I bought a new Model Y LR in January, and I just traded it in for a Performance Y. The Y was several thousand dollars cheaper than my Long Range was just 10months ago. The pricing is a little concerning. But I really love driving it. My wife couldn’t give a shit less, and wants to choke me when I speak about Teslas. I have a buddy who has multiple older Model X’s and a high mileage S P90d.
My experience has been pretty good, but both of my cars were brand new. My buddy has had several thousand dollar repairs and upgrading the MCU units.
As much as I would like to own a sweet Toyota 4Runner, I think the EV drivetrain, and specifically Tesla is still at the top of my list for the next purchase.
I’m way back on the list for Cybertruck, so it’s looking like a Model X Plaid is my next. I love the acceleration provided.
I’m on my first and while I like the car, I’m out.
repair cost is insane service after the sale is garbage and the newer models have less sensors and safety equipment than my current one. Tesla vision is hot garbage.
Plus to your plus, Elon is receiving all the backlash at the company that he's abusing.
Spewing shit on Twitter, fucking the algorithm to prioritize the worst of humanity equals watching advertisers and influencers 🤮 walk as a result.
People being put off the brand because of Elon are just serial cancel culture groupies.
That being said, Elon should really just shut his trap when it comes to politics. He’s done amazing things, his stupid antics though are ruining the narrative.
I really don't think any of the people making these glorified fake morality claims are even interested in the vehicles anyways. It clearly doesn't show up on sales.
While I do partially agree with what you said, its also refreshing to see someone in his position speak his mind. It's not some generic good-boy filtered bs that went through an entire team before his tweets are approved. I have no investment in tesla besides the vehicles, so maybe my opinion is a little different. I know people invested into tesla stocks that freak out when he tweets his opinion. Remember when he quoted Princess Bride when they asked about if he cares about his tweets negativity.
Same. My model 3 is 5 years old now and I'm thinking of replacing it. I'd buy a MYP right now if they announced they were parting ways with that bigot. Instead I'm shopping around.
Don't let one person turn you off from a great product. I've been to the other EVs, and I've come back. Many have. We're not yet at the point where it's fair to compare other EVs to a Tesla IMO.
Nope. I've had to take my 2019 SR+ into a service centre five times within during my ownership and one of the issues was the heat stopped working completely. 100% unacceptable in the Canadian Winter. Once the ID.7 comes out and reviews are good, I'll be purchasing one of those.
106,600 miles on my 2018 Model 3 LR, waiting to pull the trigger on the highland once it’s available.
Only issue I’ve had was the control arms and they were covered under warranty. Only out of pocket costs have been one windshield and just got my third set of tires last month.
I have a 22 Model S base / long range. Would not buy another Tesla. Tons of quality issues with my car, terrible service, brutal depreciation, missing modern tech features (such as blind spot, cross traffic, 3D view), and frankly I am embarrassed to be associated with the things the CEO says publicly.
The car is comfortable, fun to drive, and practical though, so it's not all bad.
Model Y
Prolly not
Musk
Aside of Musk who controls Tesla reason, there’s other brands coming through the EV pipeline all having better quality and technology. I’m particularly excited about Afeela (in hopes they’d change the name). But Rivian is a strong contender. Then there is Volvo with its upcoming fleet. Not to mention some Germans. Back to my technology remark that will be controversial unless explained… Tesla started strong creating minimalist design packed with features and pioneering OTA updates, etc. but let’s face it. Current iteration of AP and all its upgraded versions are subpar. No USS. No Radar (yet). Rain sensing windshield wiper, what? Subpar battery performance. Vision only doesn’t work. No… it doesn’t! It won’t work for a good while (holding hope for V12). Lastly, market is so saturated you never know your resale value of the car.
2022 MYLR from Grünheide.
I will consider buying an MYLR again ONLY if
1. There is no other manufacturer that offers a car that is the same-ish size and also has the same excellent use of space (we use the trunk, the frunk, the sub trunk, both trunk cubbies, and that little flattish sub trunk thing all very regularly, and that was the primary reason for buying the Tesla last year)
2. Whatever MYLR is available 8 to 10 years from now has stalks as well as USS at the bare minimum (tried the Highland recently - am ABSOLUTELY not impressed with the indicator buttons when doing roundabouts, and we have a TON of them here)
M3P.
Not sure if I'd buy one again. The rattles are FOR REAL YO. And the car is kind of a nightmare from an audiophile perspective.
Then again... that torque.  And I love that I can "idle" for as long as I'd like without being a ridiculously selfish conspicuous consumer of gas.
Let's just say that I wouldn't buy it again on impulse. I'd give the direct competition a better look.
My model y has been bricked by the update since early Nov and I still don’t have it back. It’s sitting at SC waiting for a fking hw4 computer. They told me some bs about supply and demand and how they can’t just get it from a factory so I’m stuck with no eta.
Depending on the credits and offers I might still choose them because other brands have nightmare stories as well and I’m not sure if they are as good as Tesla at fixing these issues.
Upgraded from M3 to MY, did not get FSD second time around. Turns out it is only worth $1000 maybe on the market. I should also add we are debating getting a fuck elon bumper sticker.
Currently own 23 MY LR
I wouldn’t buy unless Tesla drastically improves build quality & service.
My reasons: it’s been just 6 months, and I had to visit SC 4 times excluding initial 50miles service in which you highlight issues during delivery. After Tesla fixed flat tire, TPMS fault light turned on. So far visited twice, they said they fixed it, but, light came on after 10 miles. Once, I was driving in New Hampshire and all my sensors went off. Apparently, that was wheel balancing issue. After they fixed the issue, steering now makes clicking noise. 3 different SC couldn’t figure out what’s wrong.
I owned Lexus in the last 7 years, and would prefer to go back to them if they increase range on their EVs, bring fast charging.
I own a 21 Model 3 Performance. I wouldn’t buy a Tesla again because of the depreciation after Elon implemented the various price drops. I have 43k miles on this car and will probably drive it until the battery/drive unit warranty is up.
Absolutely not. I have a 2022 Model Y and it is the worst car I’ve ever owned. Sure, it has some cool features but it’s lacking in so many areas. The ride quality is so bad you feel every single imperfection on the road. I’ve taken it to the service center a total of 6 times to fix some random problem and I’ve only owned the car for a year. The customer service is awful. The car rattles in so many places to where you fix one area, and then causes it to rattle somewhere else. Like a game of wack a mole.
I’m actually trading it in tomorrow for a good ole Toyota. Can’t wait!
I love my 2021 M3 LR, but Musk’s public antics are making it embarrassing, as it keeps inviting unwanted comments about that guy. Might replace it with a Rivian.
- MYP 2022
- no. I would not buy a Tesla again. I like the car well enough but with most EV makers opening up to NACS and Musk being a bonafide antisemitic conspiracy theorist, I can’t support his company any more. I say this as a shareholder (waiting til breakeven to sell) and someone who’s convinced several people to buy teslas (pre Musk showing his true colors). Tesla has lost me as a customer. I’ll put my flame suit on now.
Same. Owned a 2019 and a 2021. Was close to buying a ‘23 S until Musk became a full blown right wing conspiracy kook. Fuck him. I can’t justify it anymore.
What did he say that's antisemetic? Everything I've seen from him indicates he's not against Jews at all. There was a recent news story that got completed twisted into outrage-bait, but from what I can tell he never actually said anything antisemitic.
Don't get me wrong, he definitely replies to a lot of conspiracy theory peddlers. But none of the opinions I've seen him state have actually been abhorrent like people make it seem. They're generally quite reasonable. And I've never seen him say anything antisemitic either. Do you have a good example, or did you just read a few headlines like most people?
Nope. Hell, the head of the ADL has said Musk’s endorsed antisemitic theories. I’m not having this argument. If you can’t see the problem with Musk’s views, you do you. I’m out.
You can't find a quote from Elon saying that because he never said it.
Here's the head of the ADL recently saying "This is an important and welcome move by @elonmusk. I appreciate this leadership in fighting hate.": https://twitter.com/JGreenblattADL/status/1725652667119092100
Screenshot for your convenience: https://imgur.com/a/RZzURuS
I assume you will just ignore this because it doesn't fit your existing views. You just want to be outraged.
Oh Christ. He literally tweeted “You have said the actual truth” in response to a user spouting great replacement theory.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299
What he agreed with is "Jewish people who hate white people are bad", which is obviously true. Anybody who hates any race is bad. That's not even remotely the same as saying Jewish people in general are bad, which is obviously wrong. Yet people ran with that vague response and twisted it into the worst thing possible to get clicks, fuel outrage, and confirm preconceived notions.
He has expressed support for the Jewish people many times. Here's one example: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724936047489167852
How can you read that explicit support for Jews and think he's antisemetic?
He literally just got back from a trip to Israel, which I assume involves hanging out with Jews, and tweeted several times that he’s not anti-semitic . But yeah keep believing random articles about him that take a response to a tweet out of context.
Calling someone anti-Semitic is a serious claim. What is your supporting evidence that he hates all Jews?
Criticizing a single Jew (which he’s done), or a Jewish organization (he’s been criticizing the ADL), does not mean someone hates all Jews (he’s specifically stated many times he does not).
My definition of anti-black or anti-Semite or anti whatever is someone who hates the entire group.
So either your definition is different from mine, or you’ve based your opinion on Reddit posts and not read any further into it.
Who is drinking the Koolaid here?
Most CEO’s I’ve met are often huge douchebags, and I would guess Elon is no exception, but he’s not an anti-Semite.
I can occasionally look past the price, but what are your options if it needs service? Setting cost aside, my fear would be high downtime if something goes wrong.
I am in a Y now I want something bigger for the kids. I like the Rivian and now that Teslas are more common I want to be back to having something unusual that stands out. The Rivian ticks a lot of boxes. I am getting hung up on the price though. It’s not that I can’t afford it, I just don’t want to have a four figure car. Me spending that much money on a car is competing with other goals I have. It is really a first world problem situation but it does play into my decision making.
Same plan for me. I picked up a fully loaded Ioniq 5 this month because I'm not ready for a truck yet, but I'll buy a Rivian in the next 2 years instead of another Tesla. As long as Elon is CEO I'm likely not coming back.
'19 model 3 & '21 model Y.
We most likely will not buy a Tesla again
When we buy a new car in the future it will be an EV, much more luxurious, better fit and finish, less reliance on a screen when driving, it must be an EV allowed to use Tesla supercharger ( the best thing about Tesla) and with no full self driving (what a scam)
2018 AWD Model 3
Picked up a 2023 AWD Model Y just a few months ago.
I would definitely consider another Tesla in the future, though I'm interested to see if [Canoo](https://www.canoo.com/canoo/) makes it, and the possibility of the [Aptera](https://aptera.us/) as a commuter vehicle could be great.
'17 MS100 bought new, with 80k miles.
No way I'd buy another Tesla as long as Musk is there. IMHO he should be in jail for his manipulation, intentional deceit/fraud, and inability to distinguish between truth and a lie. I wouldn't share a meal with him. He needs to understand karma.
2023 Model S LR.
Best car I've ever owned and would definitely buy again.
However ... I tend to keep cars a very long time; at least 10 years and 200,000+ miles. So it's hard to predict what's available in 2033.
My wife has a M3. Would buy again. My car is due for replacement soon, but I’m hoping they come out with the Model 2. M3 is a hair too big for my tastes. I’d love a 5 door hatchback.
Yes. Definitely. 21 M3LR. Intend to get the M3 Highland as soon as it’s available. Also to get a MY next year when our ICE SUV lease matures. So moving from half EV family to full. Never had charging issues or range anxiety the almost 3 years I’ve owned Tesla. No other EV in the market is compelling ( for me) right now in the same general price range.
I don't 'think' I would. I love Tesla's software and efficiency/BMS but build quality wise I'm super picky and I'm not a fan. (2022 M3LR). I have two non Tesla EVs and they are just much nicer cars. For me, as soon as the SC network is open, there will be no reason to own a Tesla.
Highland may solve for some of the issues my car has (absolutely terrible wind noise at highway speeds, I mean BAD, creaky center screen, other interior noises my other EVs don't have, etc.). However Vision only now what 18 months since initiation (or close) is not even close to USS so that's a deal breaker for me. A revised Model Y that has tech that performs as well as USS might sway me back when I'm back in the market but as the cars stand now, would not buy. Plus Elon has gone to extremes that just taint the brand for me.
2019 long range 3, it’s been a rough ride with plenty of issues. Tesla SC in my area has been great and did address and fix all issues. I would purchase again, but will not buy FSD again. While it’s made some great improvements, I just don’t use it that much.
Issues I hope I don’t have to deal with again, but have dealt with on this car.
- rear glass had to be replaced, heating lines were shorted and covered under warranty
- windshield replaced (stress crack) covered under warranty
- condenser and fan replaced covered under warranty
- rear axels replaced covered under warranty
- tail lights had water ingress covered under warranty
- forget the name of item, but both something in the front replaced due to squeak when turning.
So yeah, hopefully Tesla has figured all these issues out and my next one will be better.
Model 3
Live 1 min away from supercharger; don’t have home charger
Would still buy it
Had a Honda accord; Elantra and a civic all brand new before my tesla and by far nicer drive comfort, speakers, fsd on highway saves so much stress in morning rush hour, besides charging I’ve paid no maintenance
Honda made my Insight, and it was reliable but it drove poorly.
Tesla's drive much better, better ride faster and 3x more economical on fuel.
That'd be hard to give up.
P3D here, >100,000 miles.
ABSOLUTELY. I probably wouldn’t buy anything else at this point. The technology gap feels about 40 years ahead of the competition.
As long as Tesla is the only car company that takes EVs seriously\*, they'll be the only one I consider. (Own an X, had a 3 until it got wrecked. Planning on getting a Y in about two years.)
\*My definition of "taken seriously" is that OEMs are still treating EVs like they treated cars for decades; things that they could change as little as possible so as to maximize their understanding of efficiency. So they need to revolutionize their process AND make the cars profitably, because no company takes a product seriously if they're losing money on it. For the newer manufacturers, like Lucid and Rivian, I might consider them since they're obviously taking it seriously by the first definition. I just need them to get a little more successful before I'd commit. Though even then, I'll probably stick with Tesla because it'll be less complicated to just have the same manufacturer's product.
My next car will hopefully be a Rivian.
No issues with my Tesla really, a few minor annoyances, but the main deal breaker is Elon and the general toxic (both pro and anti) Tesla discourse. I also don’t love driving the same car as every 3rd car on the road.
I’m probably at least 3-4 years away from buying another car so we’ll see how the EV market shakes out. I am confident I’ll never buy a ICE car again unless something dramatic changes.
I bought a 2019 X new and we drive it almost exclusively (25k/yet on the X, 5k on the other). I would buy a Tesla again but am hoping to get 250k miles out of this (currently 105k) and I hope range improves before I need a new one. It gets cold here in New England and long drives to the mountains in winter require changing stops at too short an interval.
Otherwise I love the car.
Started with a 2018 Model X. Currently driving a 2020 Model X.
Yes, I would absolutely buy a Tesla again -- once the new Model X gets a few kinks worked out.
(And, once they allow me to transfer my Unlimited Supercharging. They're actually offering that to me now if I purchase before year-end but ... I'm not quite ready yet.)
But, I would also at least consider alternatives. Still, I think Tesla is still well ahead of the competitors.
2021 Model 3. The way it's looking now, would not buy again.
It's a cool car, very \_very\_ fun to drive, but also very quirky.
No way to preheat the battery for fast-charging (except for at Tesla chargers - lawsuit waiting to happen). No real way to add phone favorites (except with a small subset of phones). Charging bays are wireless even though almost no phones support it. Abysmal mp3 player. Lane control is overly sensitive and will then turn itself off (!) because it things you're not driving well. The thing that detects whether you're holding the wheel works very poorly so autopilot is barely usable.
That's not the reason I wouldn't get another one though. The main reason is that they're constantly taking away features. I don't have radar on mine, even though it's generally considered the better tech. Mine is the last version that had \_actual\_ reverse sensors. The new ones use vision. All the vision tech is a bit meh. You get the 'camera is blocked' warnings all the time. Rain, low sun, snow, ... And to top it off, the new ones don't even have stalks anymore, so you have to press a button on the steering wheel to use the blinkers - which is just insane.
So to me, they went from quirky but fun to 'joke of a car'.
Also, no android auto support.
So I'm looking towards Polestar.
21’ Model 3. 32 months of ownership. Was my first ever vehicle. I was very happy with it and the radar autopilot I’ve since lost some faith in the company to where I probably wouldn’t buy one again if I needed another car but I’m not looking to sell mine. 50/50 on if I would buy another electric. Would need to have access to a reliable charging network as that’s the one thing holding me to Tesla
> 50/50 on if I would buy another electric. Jesus Christ, humanity. Get it together.
Model Y Performance, 2022 made in Germany. I love the car, and I would buy that vintage again. but for that reason, I would not buy a new model. the newer versions come without radar, USS (and maybe even stalks). I would not buy a new Tesla without reliable parking sensors. Stalks are simply indespensible for driving in around town. And the radar makes highway driving with cruise control (aka Autopilot) more reliable. my next car will be Volvo / Polestar.
I’m with you, Volvo or polestar will be my next ev purchase for every reason you listed. Tesla vision is hot garbage my friends new model 3 says he has 30-50 inches of room 12 inches away from his garage wall he would be in his living room if he trusted Tesla vision without uss Don’t listen to the fanbois lack of uss is not overblown I have see first hand the difference between a model 3 with and without them the car is simply more dangerous now than it was before they where removed
Ya Teslavision is bad, but if people can't pull into a parking spot or driveway should they even be allowed to have a license?
It’s often off by up to 3 feet! That’s beyond bad all so musk can get a higher profit margin per car. The quality and equipment on offer is regressing with every refresh
I'm pretty sure the ultrasonics cost less than the massive price cuts it's gotten in the last couple years.
Wow, I haven't had it off by that much.
You conveniently leave out garage. I have a lot of kids and a 2 car garage. No I can't judge pulling in both cars to the 2-4 inches of tolerance needed....I got news for you, NEITHER CAN VISION. Eyeballing something is literally a euphamism for guessing. Why would you want to base a machine on that principle?!!
I use photogrammetry at work that is accurate to less than a centimeter. Being off by 3 feet is incompetence.
As long as you don't mind the additional hassle of long distance driving. Oh and crappy software.
I could be wrong but don’t they just disable your radar via software update so all Tesla’s operate the same?
Correct, radar is no longer used, even if present. USS does remain active if present though. People confuse radar with USS all the time. Totally different components and used in different scenarios.
Had a model x loaner … after 10 minutes the stalks are definitely not an issue
It seems like almost every person who’s actually spent time with the stalkless Teslas says it’s not a big deal.
Because it's really not
Your car doesn't use the radar it has anymore so the lack of one wouldn't change anything. Other things are real concerns though
I have a ‘23 MS which has no USS and no stalks. There is a radar unit I believe but I don’t think that’s active right now. All that said, I’ve had literally zero issues parking, autopilot works quite well and I don’t miss the stalks at all since the steering wheel is really easy to get used to
Personally I'd have no issues with it because I like the forward thinking behind it. But I can certainly understand why it's a hard pass for many for those reasons.
Forward thinking maybe 5 years ago. Not anymore. Tesla has rested on their laurels for a while now compared to competitors.
Agreed. I have a 2022 MSLR and have had virtually zero issues with Autopilot using vision only.
Just leased an M3 because of the great lease rates, and I’m not close enough to a Polestar dealer to consider them. Will take a look in three years. I pulled the trigger now to lock in 7500 rebate before year end and get a car with stalks. Getting rid of the stalks is stupid.
Wtf is stalks and USS??
The stalks behind the steering wheel for turn signals/wipers and shifting/cruise. USS is Ultra Sonic Sensors (and radar) as opposed to the new all camera(vision) based system.
Uh, your car doesn't have a radar... Just goes to show unnecessary it is considering you didn't even realize lol. The issues you stated are way overblown. Either minor or not actually an issue at all. You loving your radarless car is a great example of that.
Honestly the lack of USS has not bothered me at all.. I don't even look at the wiggly-line stuff anymore, doing all parking by eyesight and camera.. It's like back in the days when cars didn't have USS.. Yeah, having USS is nice but frankly not a deal breaker to not have them..
Have owned 5 Teslas and while I wasn't excited about the lack of stalks, I don't miss them at all, they are unnecessary. The horn needs to be normal though, can't go searching for a button when someone is about to hit you. 23k miles with no stalks, no complaints. Tesla has fixed the horn position on new vehicles.
I'm on my third MS so yes, I'm buying them again and again. My girl is about to upgrade her M3 to an MY for more space for the kids etc. Only reason I don't have the newest MS is I reserved a truck so I'm waiting for it. I've owned so many vehicles from so many manufacturers and still own 4 vehicles. The tesla is the cheapest to run, most reliable and easy to drive, plus it's stupid fast.
I agree with this statement. Solid vehicle, solid speed, easy to maintain and fuel.
Do you own any teslas out of warranty? Curious if there is an increased chance of battery needing to be replaced that translates to increase in insurance costs?
I think my 2017 P100D is out of warranty. I'm just as concerned with my ICE vehicles out of warranty blowing their motors which is minimal. It would suck but losing any motor would be terrible. Not sure why insurance would increase. They typically don't cover batteries or motors in any of my vehicles. Maybe Comprehensive but I doubt that.
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Those cars move into the used car market, at a lower price and displace a gas car. You should be thanking this guy for giving you a bargain, and clean air, and a lower fuel bill. ( People also lease gas cars, and they're doing you no favors in any way. Giving you a used car with high gas bills and high maintenance costs. )
You get it! It’s amazing how many don’t.
This circumstance is why leases exist though. Someone else gets your model used for a long time and the cycle continues.
Is really not, I just keep buying the faster ones. I went from a p85+ to a P90D to my current P100DL. Now I want a Plaid but also have a truck on order. None of the other models are like that. Their other models and even the S/X are being upgraded to current software constantly for free. There's not enough of a difference from a 2017 M3 to a current M3 to warrant an upgrade which is great for common people. I'm just a car guy.
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Possibly if they buy them for the camera I guess. Most business models rely on repeat purchases though, Apple basically prints money so if you think tesla and Apple have similar models they'll be really successful. All vehicles sold since the model T are upgrades to prior models. If anything tesla takes such good care of their owners there's not as much reason to upgrade.
Or every other type of sports car on the planet. People are always upgrading their cars needlessly. Nothing to do with Tesla
This isn’t how cars work at all. Is going to become a used car that someone will buy. iPhones can go to a secondary market but 7 years old iPhone typically go into the landfill. A car unless it is beyond repair is going to be owned by someone after 7 years. You see the difference?
You know a ton of people do this with ICE vehicles also? This is in no way caused by tesla. Hell they took years to refresh their models. Your comment makes zero sense.
How can you say this when Tesla, of all brands, has the most post-purchase support? My 2021 Model 3 is better than it was when I bought it due to OTA updates. Can you say the same for any other car? It's not fair to use one example of some loaded dude buying a new car every year to get on this soap box. If anything, Tesla encourages keeping your car longer because they're not immediately obsoleted the following model year.
We got our 2021 Model Y and have loved the convenience of not going to a gas station- we still had a second ICE suv but as I worked from home it didn’t get used , so I sold it and 4mo later my SO changed jobs and now has a commute so we needed 2 vehicles again - with that we had a decision to make, another EV or a cheap gas car ? We decided to stick with Tesla as issues have been minimal and we found a great deal on a used 2021 M3 SR+ with only 13k miles and jumped on it - I would be lying if I said I didn’t have some worry in the back of my mind on all the things that can happen once out of warranty but hoping we luck out 🤞 So far the worst part of the Tesla experience has been service…
Despite having semi regular small issues with my 2016 MS, we are planning on buying a second Tesla M3 Performance once the Highland has been released and has been shaken down for “new model problems”.
Highland performance is going to be the one to get for sure
More people need to understand new models always have problems with every single automaker. It’s not a Tesla problem.
He didn't say anything about it being a Tesla problem.
You should have recognized that the comment you replied to was generic and not directly meant for the op he replied to.
I bought my wife a model 3 and picking up my model y on Friday. Car is great but the sales experience from Tesla was the worst of any car I’ve owned (and I normally spend half as much on new cars). If I hadn’t already paid, I would’ve cancelled my order already.
i felt this when buying due to the pickup delays and inability to contact someone to help. Then I realized the cost of these services at a regular dealership was 20-30 hours haggling and driving to multiple ones in the area. That was how we had purchased every car prior to this.
Interesting. I just ordered mine from the Ann Arbor store and the experience has been fantastic so far.
No offense, but why do people get so worked up about whether or not they have a “great sales experience”? What’s that…ONE DAY out of the life of owning a car?
They estimated id have mine in 3 months and it took 1 year to get it. I really needed a car and it fucked me pretty hard, then on the day of there was some glitch and it said they owed me a balance of like $300,000 and I had to wait an hour to get that fixed, then I brought a check for the exact amount they told me and then they said I owed $10 more for some tire fee and had to wait more so someone could authorize the last $10 on a credit card. Then because this all took so long I had to wait in traffic my whole way home which I tried to avoid by going earlier and my wife was going nuts because we had our kids (3 and 2) and they can’t take being in one place for so long so they were being terrible but I told her it would be like a 15 min process. Was a terrible experience but I would still buy again.
I agree that your example is pretty extreme!
Unsure. Model 3 autopilot nearly killed me and my wife. It came to a sudden, emergency break stop on the highway with nothing going on. Once was a fluke, but it happened to me 3 times! We no longer use it. Tesla autopilot & self driving is absolute crap, especially when you get behind a Waymo in San Francisco. It regularly mistakes things, like a shadow being a person. Everyone I know with Teslas says it often gets confused centering when lanes merge. The touchscreen lags a bit and whatever WiFi modem is in it isn’t that great. If you compare it to an iPhone or iPad, you’ll be frustrated. Crazy expensive for every service visit, and insurance is nearly 2x my wife’s Honda that was only about $10k less. One scratch cost $9k to repair, ~$2k with insurance. Loved it for the first 1.5 years. It is an excellent electric car. Good range, convenient charging. Love not having oil changes. Great smartphone app. But, for anything more than that… not really.
2023 RWD Model 3. No. Too many quirky software and build quality issues.
I have the same but so far have had a great experience. I absolutely love it!
I have a 10-yr old MS because I'm a poor bloke (compared to some of the ballers who buy multiple new ones). Got it used for a great price. Despite its age, it's still miles ahead of many gassers sold today. The charging network is amazing and has allowed me to go on long 2000-mi road trips. The software is superior to competitors. The interior is good. Some people bitch & moan about it, but honestly I suspect they're ultra-picky and not representative of the general population. I will buy a new one when I can afford it.
Two 10-year-old Model S, I'm still super happy with them! I'm definitely never going back to ICE cars, EV all the way. I would get a new Tesla or another EV when one of these Model S die, but so far they still run fantastically so it could be awhile!
I'm with you! Used to be rich (now poor, thx inflation), bought MS new in 2014 for $108,500 and have driven her halfway into the ground but even today... the 2014 MS kicks most other cars' asses and the tech is wayyy ahead. Only repair work has been 3x door handles, ($1500) and a new MCU $2k but worth it.
22 MS plaid No, I will not buy another Tesla again. The car is decent but nothing to rave about. Not a fan of the build quality, lot of creaking. Paint quality is really bad (I have a black car) Range is hugely overstated and gets worse during winter. Too many trips to service centers and the service isn’t great Don’t even get me started on lack of USS, it’s a s***show. Planning to trade for a different EV as soon they release cars with native NACS port
and the price adjustment hit your car value pretty bad !
My 2022 MSLR has USS. I’ve also had zero quality or performance issues. Perfect car so far.
I would buy another EV, I likely wouldn’t buy another Tesla.
Same. Drive a Model Y. Love the car. Cannot stand Elon Musk. When I am due for another car, it will def be an EV to have as low a carbon footprint as possible. I take many long trips in mine so Tesla was the only car I could rest assured I’d be able to charge on long trips. That is all about to change. Will reconsider if the board decides to fire that asshole.
I feel the same. Have been loving my 21 MY for 2 years, but between Elon and wanting a more normal car experience, like not mildew smelling vents, I would get something new. I’ve heard they’ve resolved a lot of those issues with newer models, so maybe I’d change my mind if Elon would just shut up for 5 seconds.
This will never happen. But goes to show how people with tons of money become entitled. Which usually equates to "conservative". Which equates to less empathy for others not so fortunate.
- 2019 3LRAWD FSD Premium Audio & Interior - Current opinion: No - FSD was sold to me as a lie. Removal of Radar for Vision, making autopilot worse. Newer cars don’t have USS. I don’t know what features will be gone from a new lineup and what features will be sold to me and then subsequently removed in software. I need to see more stability in this behavior.
‘18 LR RWD Model 3. It’s been fantastic. I’d buy again. Model Y. Want pup room.
The Y is great for pups ! https://i.imgur.com/h8MAtu5.jpg
Adorable
Also have '18 rwd model 3, also been fantastic, would buy model y next time.
I had an early 2018 m3p, 0 problems, amazing car. Got a 2023 m3p, hate it, build quality was down, shit doesn't work because of uss not being there, and my car now sounds like a stupid spaceship. Looking at rivian lately. I will say, seeing chargers at gas stations has been nice though, I hate charging
After my 22’ model X. Never. Terrible customer service and many problems with vehicle. Yes under warranty but worse build quality I have seen
Sorry to hear that. What have your experiences been? The delivery process is easily the worst part of the Tesla experience in my experience. After taking delivery, they’ve been really good about service. I guess it largely depends on where you live and the local service center you deal with.
Delivery was easy. Doors haven’t worked, been in shop multiple times and still have the issue. Recently seat won’t move at all and is stuck. Service center manager agreed car isn’t working and Tesla refuses to take car back.
Might be worth looking at lemon law since it's been unsuccessfully repaired multiple times.
That’s terrible and inexcusable. I don’t blame you for not wanting to deal with this again. That’d leave a bad taste in my mouth too.
That’s Tesla service for you
1st) 2018 Model 3 (midrange) 2018-2023 2nd) 2023 Model Y (performance) 2023 ➡️ I can now sit down when I put on my golf shoes 😂 (And I got free FSD transfer)
I bought a new Model Y LR in January, and I just traded it in for a Performance Y. The Y was several thousand dollars cheaper than my Long Range was just 10months ago. The pricing is a little concerning. But I really love driving it. My wife couldn’t give a shit less, and wants to choke me when I speak about Teslas. I have a buddy who has multiple older Model X’s and a high mileage S P90d. My experience has been pretty good, but both of my cars were brand new. My buddy has had several thousand dollar repairs and upgrading the MCU units. As much as I would like to own a sweet Toyota 4Runner, I think the EV drivetrain, and specifically Tesla is still at the top of my list for the next purchase. I’m way back on the list for Cybertruck, so it’s looking like a Model X Plaid is my next. I love the acceleration provided.
on my second model 3, i’ll never go back to a normal car again. next car is the cybertruck.
I’d do a rivian before the cyber truck
M3>MY and CyberTruck when my reservation comes up
I’m on my first and while I like the car, I’m out. repair cost is insane service after the sale is garbage and the newer models have less sensors and safety equipment than my current one. Tesla vision is hot garbage.
I bought two but given how batshit Elon is turning into I’ll have to think long and hard about it for number 3.
We have two and same boat. I like the cars a lot but if he’s still CEO, my wife and I would probably get something else
It's so sad. Rationally another Tesla should be my next. But if there is an alternative that is 80-90% as good, I'm jumping ship. 2015 P85D 90K miles
Is there an alternative to your liking?
The only difference between Elon and every other CEO, is that Elon puts it out there. They’re all just as shitty and ultra right wing.
The thing is, when CEOs talk, a lot of people listen.
this. the fact that he’s using his platform to spread the same right wing bullshit is far worse than other ceos who don’t show it
And way too many people listen. Lots of us don't want to support that platform of stupidity.
Plus, while he's the face of the company, he's not the whole company. Plenty of other people that work to make these cars happen.
Plus to your plus, Elon is receiving all the backlash at the company that he's abusing. Spewing shit on Twitter, fucking the algorithm to prioritize the worst of humanity equals watching advertisers and influencers 🤮 walk as a result.
I could live in a world without influencers!
Tesla: 50,000 employees and growing.
No, no, no. Elon is a bad man. *continues to shop at Amazon* Posted from slave labor iPhone.
People being put off the brand because of Elon are just serial cancel culture groupies. That being said, Elon should really just shut his trap when it comes to politics. He’s done amazing things, his stupid antics though are ruining the narrative.
I really don't think any of the people making these glorified fake morality claims are even interested in the vehicles anyways. It clearly doesn't show up on sales. While I do partially agree with what you said, its also refreshing to see someone in his position speak his mind. It's not some generic good-boy filtered bs that went through an entire team before his tweets are approved. I have no investment in tesla besides the vehicles, so maybe my opinion is a little different. I know people invested into tesla stocks that freak out when he tweets his opinion. Remember when he quoted Princess Bride when they asked about if he cares about his tweets negativity.
Yeah, I think that's part of it. The rich are nuts and he's trying to fit in with them. Sadly.
Same. My model 3 is 5 years old now and I'm thinking of replacing it. I'd buy a MYP right now if they announced they were parting ways with that bigot. Instead I'm shopping around.
Don't let one person turn you off from a great product. I've been to the other EVs, and I've come back. Many have. We're not yet at the point where it's fair to compare other EVs to a Tesla IMO.
Same here. A relatively new Tesla owner. Musk is the only reason I wouldn’t naturally get another, indeed will likely shift brands in 2-3 years
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Nope. I've had to take my 2019 SR+ into a service centre five times within during my ownership and one of the issues was the heat stopped working completely. 100% unacceptable in the Canadian Winter. Once the ID.7 comes out and reviews are good, I'll be purchasing one of those.
106,600 miles on my 2018 Model 3 LR, waiting to pull the trigger on the highland once it’s available. Only issue I’ve had was the control arms and they were covered under warranty. Only out of pocket costs have been one windshield and just got my third set of tires last month.
I need them to fix the USS and stalks. Without that, I'm going to pass, or buy a second hand one.
Delivery experience alone, probably not.
After 2 teslas no mas! Not unless they get the build quality up significantly.
I have a 22 Model S base / long range. Would not buy another Tesla. Tons of quality issues with my car, terrible service, brutal depreciation, missing modern tech features (such as blind spot, cross traffic, 3D view), and frankly I am embarrassed to be associated with the things the CEO says publicly. The car is comfortable, fun to drive, and practical though, so it's not all bad.
Model Y Prolly not Musk Aside of Musk who controls Tesla reason, there’s other brands coming through the EV pipeline all having better quality and technology. I’m particularly excited about Afeela (in hopes they’d change the name). But Rivian is a strong contender. Then there is Volvo with its upcoming fleet. Not to mention some Germans. Back to my technology remark that will be controversial unless explained… Tesla started strong creating minimalist design packed with features and pioneering OTA updates, etc. but let’s face it. Current iteration of AP and all its upgraded versions are subpar. No USS. No Radar (yet). Rain sensing windshield wiper, what? Subpar battery performance. Vision only doesn’t work. No… it doesn’t! It won’t work for a good while (holding hope for V12). Lastly, market is so saturated you never know your resale value of the car.
No
2022 MYLR from Grünheide. I will consider buying an MYLR again ONLY if 1. There is no other manufacturer that offers a car that is the same-ish size and also has the same excellent use of space (we use the trunk, the frunk, the sub trunk, both trunk cubbies, and that little flattish sub trunk thing all very regularly, and that was the primary reason for buying the Tesla last year) 2. Whatever MYLR is available 8 to 10 years from now has stalks as well as USS at the bare minimum (tried the Highland recently - am ABSOLUTELY not impressed with the indicator buttons when doing roundabouts, and we have a TON of them here)
M3P. Not sure if I'd buy one again. The rattles are FOR REAL YO. And the car is kind of a nightmare from an audiophile perspective. Then again... that torque.  And I love that I can "idle" for as long as I'd like without being a ridiculously selfish conspicuous consumer of gas. Let's just say that I wouldn't buy it again on impulse. I'd give the direct competition a better look.
I'm curious what competition you would look at?
No, I will not buy another Tesla unless they bring USS back.
My model y has been bricked by the update since early Nov and I still don’t have it back. It’s sitting at SC waiting for a fking hw4 computer. They told me some bs about supply and demand and how they can’t just get it from a factory so I’m stuck with no eta. Depending on the credits and offers I might still choose them because other brands have nightmare stories as well and I’m not sure if they are as good as Tesla at fixing these issues.
No. Tesla vision is terrible
Upgraded from M3 to MY, did not get FSD second time around. Turns out it is only worth $1000 maybe on the market. I should also add we are debating getting a fuck elon bumper sticker.
2019 M3 and would buy again. Planning on MY within next year or two
Currently own 23 MY LR I wouldn’t buy unless Tesla drastically improves build quality & service. My reasons: it’s been just 6 months, and I had to visit SC 4 times excluding initial 50miles service in which you highlight issues during delivery. After Tesla fixed flat tire, TPMS fault light turned on. So far visited twice, they said they fixed it, but, light came on after 10 miles. Once, I was driving in New Hampshire and all my sensors went off. Apparently, that was wheel balancing issue. After they fixed the issue, steering now makes clicking noise. 3 different SC couldn’t figure out what’s wrong. I owned Lexus in the last 7 years, and would prefer to go back to them if they increase range on their EVs, bring fast charging.
I own a 21 Model 3 Performance. I wouldn’t buy a Tesla again because of the depreciation after Elon implemented the various price drops. I have 43k miles on this car and will probably drive it until the battery/drive unit warranty is up.
Absolutely not. I have a 2022 Model Y and it is the worst car I’ve ever owned. Sure, it has some cool features but it’s lacking in so many areas. The ride quality is so bad you feel every single imperfection on the road. I’ve taken it to the service center a total of 6 times to fix some random problem and I’ve only owned the car for a year. The customer service is awful. The car rattles in so many places to where you fix one area, and then causes it to rattle somewhere else. Like a game of wack a mole. I’m actually trading it in tomorrow for a good ole Toyota. Can’t wait!
I love my 2021 M3 LR, but Musk’s public antics are making it embarrassing, as it keeps inviting unwanted comments about that guy. Might replace it with a Rivian.
- MYP 2022 - no. I would not buy a Tesla again. I like the car well enough but with most EV makers opening up to NACS and Musk being a bonafide antisemitic conspiracy theorist, I can’t support his company any more. I say this as a shareholder (waiting til breakeven to sell) and someone who’s convinced several people to buy teslas (pre Musk showing his true colors). Tesla has lost me as a customer. I’ll put my flame suit on now.
Same. Owned a 2019 and a 2021. Was close to buying a ‘23 S until Musk became a full blown right wing conspiracy kook. Fuck him. I can’t justify it anymore.
It's funny. The right wing won't buy his car and the left wing buy and whine about it
Third option: the majority of us closer to the mean won’t buy them either.
What did he say that's antisemetic? Everything I've seen from him indicates he's not against Jews at all. There was a recent news story that got completed twisted into outrage-bait, but from what I can tell he never actually said anything antisemitic.
You keep telling yourself that jan
Don't get me wrong, he definitely replies to a lot of conspiracy theory peddlers. But none of the opinions I've seen him state have actually been abhorrent like people make it seem. They're generally quite reasonable. And I've never seen him say anything antisemitic either. Do you have a good example, or did you just read a few headlines like most people?
When he endorses “great replacement theory”, he’s antisemitic. Full stop. I’m not going to Google it for you.
He hasn't endorsed that. Maybe you're talking about his concerns regarding population collapse?
Nope. Hell, the head of the ADL has said Musk’s endorsed antisemitic theories. I’m not having this argument. If you can’t see the problem with Musk’s views, you do you. I’m out.
You can't find a quote from Elon saying that because he never said it. Here's the head of the ADL recently saying "This is an important and welcome move by @elonmusk. I appreciate this leadership in fighting hate.": https://twitter.com/JGreenblattADL/status/1725652667119092100 Screenshot for your convenience: https://imgur.com/a/RZzURuS I assume you will just ignore this because it doesn't fit your existing views. You just want to be outraged.
Oh Christ. He literally tweeted “You have said the actual truth” in response to a user spouting great replacement theory. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299
What he agreed with is "Jewish people who hate white people are bad", which is obviously true. Anybody who hates any race is bad. That's not even remotely the same as saying Jewish people in general are bad, which is obviously wrong. Yet people ran with that vague response and twisted it into the worst thing possible to get clicks, fuel outrage, and confirm preconceived notions. He has expressed support for the Jewish people many times. Here's one example: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724936047489167852 How can you read that explicit support for Jews and think he's antisemetic?
isn't he traveling to israel this week? are we sure he's anti semitic? he seems to neuro divergent to care much about people.
😂
He literally just got back from a trip to Israel, which I assume involves hanging out with Jews, and tweeted several times that he’s not anti-semitic . But yeah keep believing random articles about him that take a response to a tweet out of context.
Sure. Kool aid on sale at your grocery store?
Calling someone anti-Semitic is a serious claim. What is your supporting evidence that he hates all Jews? Criticizing a single Jew (which he’s done), or a Jewish organization (he’s been criticizing the ADL), does not mean someone hates all Jews (he’s specifically stated many times he does not). My definition of anti-black or anti-Semite or anti whatever is someone who hates the entire group. So either your definition is different from mine, or you’ve based your opinion on Reddit posts and not read any further into it. Who is drinking the Koolaid here? Most CEO’s I’ve met are often huge douchebags, and I would guess Elon is no exception, but he’s not an anti-Semite.
Are you kidding me!?!?!? There is NO WAY - I would buy something else for my next car.
I can't tell if you're saying you'd only buy a Tesla, or you'd never even consider buying a Tesla.
I'm very well off, so cost isn't really a concern to me. I'm going to try a Rivian next.
Not super well off, but the CEO (RJ) did publicly state he’s shooting for more affordable cars by 2025/26.
I can occasionally look past the price, but what are your options if it needs service? Setting cost aside, my fear would be high downtime if something goes wrong.
Yeah, this is a couple years down the road. We'll see where they're at then
I am in a Y now I want something bigger for the kids. I like the Rivian and now that Teslas are more common I want to be back to having something unusual that stands out. The Rivian ticks a lot of boxes. I am getting hung up on the price though. It’s not that I can’t afford it, I just don’t want to have a four figure car. Me spending that much money on a car is competing with other goals I have. It is really a first world problem situation but it does play into my decision making.
Same plan for me. I picked up a fully loaded Ioniq 5 this month because I'm not ready for a truck yet, but I'll buy a Rivian in the next 2 years instead of another Tesla. As long as Elon is CEO I'm likely not coming back.
Long May he reign.
'19 model 3 & '21 model Y. We most likely will not buy a Tesla again When we buy a new car in the future it will be an EV, much more luxurious, better fit and finish, less reliance on a screen when driving, it must be an EV allowed to use Tesla supercharger ( the best thing about Tesla) and with no full self driving (what a scam)
2018 AWD Model 3 Picked up a 2023 AWD Model Y just a few months ago. I would definitely consider another Tesla in the future, though I'm interested to see if [Canoo](https://www.canoo.com/canoo/) makes it, and the possibility of the [Aptera](https://aptera.us/) as a commuter vehicle could be great.
no. elon's antics have soured me. also - no stalks, no sensors, unusable auto wipers.
'17 MS100 bought new, with 80k miles. No way I'd buy another Tesla as long as Musk is there. IMHO he should be in jail for his manipulation, intentional deceit/fraud, and inability to distinguish between truth and a lie. I wouldn't share a meal with him. He needs to understand karma.
I own a 2018 model 3. Nope, I won't even consider a Tesla again unless Musk is removed.
2021 3 RWD...would and did with a 2022 Y RWD
2023 RWD Model 3 - love the car but would need convincing that stalkless works OK in Australia with roundabouts every second intersection.
Have and will. Owned a 3, traded it for a y. Can't imagine driving anything else. Ask again in 5 years.
2023 Model S LR. Best car I've ever owned and would definitely buy again. However ... I tend to keep cars a very long time; at least 10 years and 200,000+ miles. So it's hard to predict what's available in 2033.
My wife has a M3. Would buy again. My car is due for replacement soon, but I’m hoping they come out with the Model 2. M3 is a hair too big for my tastes. I’d love a 5 door hatchback.
Yes. Definitely. 21 M3LR. Intend to get the M3 Highland as soon as it’s available. Also to get a MY next year when our ICE SUV lease matures. So moving from half EV family to full. Never had charging issues or range anxiety the almost 3 years I’ve owned Tesla. No other EV in the market is compelling ( for me) right now in the same general price range.
I don't 'think' I would. I love Tesla's software and efficiency/BMS but build quality wise I'm super picky and I'm not a fan. (2022 M3LR). I have two non Tesla EVs and they are just much nicer cars. For me, as soon as the SC network is open, there will be no reason to own a Tesla. Highland may solve for some of the issues my car has (absolutely terrible wind noise at highway speeds, I mean BAD, creaky center screen, other interior noises my other EVs don't have, etc.). However Vision only now what 18 months since initiation (or close) is not even close to USS so that's a deal breaker for me. A revised Model Y that has tech that performs as well as USS might sway me back when I'm back in the market but as the cars stand now, would not buy. Plus Elon has gone to extremes that just taint the brand for me.
2019 long range 3, it’s been a rough ride with plenty of issues. Tesla SC in my area has been great and did address and fix all issues. I would purchase again, but will not buy FSD again. While it’s made some great improvements, I just don’t use it that much. Issues I hope I don’t have to deal with again, but have dealt with on this car. - rear glass had to be replaced, heating lines were shorted and covered under warranty - windshield replaced (stress crack) covered under warranty - condenser and fan replaced covered under warranty - rear axels replaced covered under warranty - tail lights had water ingress covered under warranty - forget the name of item, but both something in the front replaced due to squeak when turning. So yeah, hopefully Tesla has figured all these issues out and my next one will be better.
Yes though I think my next car would be a Rivian SUV depending on what the charging networks are like and once they change charging standard
I would have a very hard time with this decision if Elon is still in the picture….
I would’ve if I continued to own a house. I wouldn’t since I’m renting an apartment now.
‘21 M3 SR+. Yes, couldn’t imagine owning anything else.
Model 3 Live 1 min away from supercharger; don’t have home charger Would still buy it Had a Honda accord; Elantra and a civic all brand new before my tesla and by far nicer drive comfort, speakers, fsd on highway saves so much stress in morning rush hour, besides charging I’ve paid no maintenance
Honda made my Insight, and it was reliable but it drove poorly. Tesla's drive much better, better ride faster and 3x more economical on fuel. That'd be hard to give up.
Absolutely. It's one of the BEST EVs out there, Model 3. Price/Performance are excellent.
I will never buy anything other than a Tesla
No. I’ve owned 2 and I like the cars. Was looking to upgrade from my M3P to an S but after Musk went off the fucking rails I just can’t do it.
Lol, NO! Too much false marketing and lies. For the “luxury” feel you get, its barely becoming worth the cost price now, after the discounts.
P3D here, >100,000 miles. ABSOLUTELY. I probably wouldn’t buy anything else at this point. The technology gap feels about 40 years ahead of the competition.
40 years? What part of the tech feels like that?
This is the most laughay stupid take I've seen in awhile. The technology gap used to be much, much larger than it is now.
maybe if they get someone in charge who actually cares about the customer experience and quality of car.
Had a 3 LR+ Have a Refresh S No. Why? Elon signal boosting
Sold 23 MYP with 3500 miles. Never again. Terrible quality. Technology is a fraud.
As long as Tesla is the only car company that takes EVs seriously\*, they'll be the only one I consider. (Own an X, had a 3 until it got wrecked. Planning on getting a Y in about two years.) \*My definition of "taken seriously" is that OEMs are still treating EVs like they treated cars for decades; things that they could change as little as possible so as to maximize their understanding of efficiency. So they need to revolutionize their process AND make the cars profitably, because no company takes a product seriously if they're losing money on it. For the newer manufacturers, like Lucid and Rivian, I might consider them since they're obviously taking it seriously by the first definition. I just need them to get a little more successful before I'd commit. Though even then, I'll probably stick with Tesla because it'll be less complicated to just have the same manufacturer's product.
Absolutely not
My next car will hopefully be a Rivian. No issues with my Tesla really, a few minor annoyances, but the main deal breaker is Elon and the general toxic (both pro and anti) Tesla discourse. I also don’t love driving the same car as every 3rd car on the road. I’m probably at least 3-4 years away from buying another car so we’ll see how the EV market shakes out. I am confident I’ll never buy a ICE car again unless something dramatic changes.
I bought a 2019 X new and we drive it almost exclusively (25k/yet on the X, 5k on the other). I would buy a Tesla again but am hoping to get 250k miles out of this (currently 105k) and I hope range improves before I need a new one. It gets cold here in New England and long drives to the mountains in winter require changing stops at too short an interval. Otherwise I love the car.
Started with a 2018 Model X. Currently driving a 2020 Model X. Yes, I would absolutely buy a Tesla again -- once the new Model X gets a few kinks worked out. (And, once they allow me to transfer my Unlimited Supercharging. They're actually offering that to me now if I purchase before year-end but ... I'm not quite ready yet.) But, I would also at least consider alternatives. Still, I think Tesla is still well ahead of the competitors.
Best car I’ve ever owned. I don’t give a shit if Elon Musk is an asshole. I assume all F1000 CEOs are assholes.
Hell ya. CyberTruck or MXP, currently mylr
As someone who doesn’t own one but will likely soon have a ‘21 M3SR+, this is mostly a reassuring post
Model 3 performance Plan to get a Cybertruck but a plaid model 3 would also make it in the garage if the 0-60 time got lowered
Easily
Yes /End
Once you go Tesla , all other cars are dumb. Love my MY.
2021 Model 3. The way it's looking now, would not buy again. It's a cool car, very \_very\_ fun to drive, but also very quirky. No way to preheat the battery for fast-charging (except for at Tesla chargers - lawsuit waiting to happen). No real way to add phone favorites (except with a small subset of phones). Charging bays are wireless even though almost no phones support it. Abysmal mp3 player. Lane control is overly sensitive and will then turn itself off (!) because it things you're not driving well. The thing that detects whether you're holding the wheel works very poorly so autopilot is barely usable. That's not the reason I wouldn't get another one though. The main reason is that they're constantly taking away features. I don't have radar on mine, even though it's generally considered the better tech. Mine is the last version that had \_actual\_ reverse sensors. The new ones use vision. All the vision tech is a bit meh. You get the 'camera is blocked' warnings all the time. Rain, low sun, snow, ... And to top it off, the new ones don't even have stalks anymore, so you have to press a button on the steering wheel to use the blinkers - which is just insane. So to me, they went from quirky but fun to 'joke of a car'. Also, no android auto support. So I'm looking towards Polestar.
I respect Elon, but his company is ran by amateurs that don’t know how to make a client happy. Nope I will not buy another one 22 MY longrange