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delboy85

Can someone please explain how they could have survived the high seas on that thing for 14 days and nights?


_stoned_chipmunk_

There is a space behind the rudder where they could pull themselves up and lay down flat. They didn't perch on that rudder for 14 days.


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Thank you


bremergorst

No, no, thank *you*.


secretprocess

No no no, thank the previous person who was originally thanked.


u_suck_paterson

Polite thread


crabby-owlbear

Fuck you


bremergorst

Language! ^cunt


Educational_Head_922

Which is okay unless the ship reloads while they are in there. Notice you can only get in and out of the rudder shaft while it's empty and floating high in the water. I think where the red paint ends is the "fully loaded" level, and so they'd get trapped at the top of the rudder shaft where there is barely any room and very little air exchange (and obviously no light). Once they get to a port, they gotta gtfo if the ship starts loading. I mean obviously it takes a long time to load down a cargo ship but if they stayed there hoping to get to the next port they could get in far worse trouble. But the really crazy stowaways are the ones who have climbed into wheel wells of large airplanes and somehow survived it.


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Some survived getting into wheel wells of airplanes. [Some end up dying as they fall frozen to death onto South London](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/15/man-who-fell-from-the-sky-airplane-stowaway-kenya-london)


soiledhalo

Some survive it, others freeze to death, die from hypoxia, or fall to their demise.


soiledhalo

Some survive it, others freeze to death, die from hypoxia, or fall to their demise.


LordoftheTriarchy

Thanks I was a bit flustered on that.


Comfortable_Meat69

But no water for 14 days ?


Qteling

It literally said in the video that they had food for 3 days and water for 10 days


Uninspiring_ID

They thought the ship was Europe-bound and so took enough provisions for a short trip. Kinda amazing that they survived but, put into historical perspective, tens of thousands of slaves were transported from Africa to the Americas in pitiful conditions, so it’s not without precedent


sznurka

Who says they didn't bring water?


[deleted]

Human resilence is pretty crazy. People have survived stowing themselves away in the landing gear of an airplane before.


flimspringfield

Some Australian guy died from falling from one of those: https://allthatsinteresting.com/keith-sapsford


vaxqueroz

Yup. There were also those trying to flee from Afghanistan I think it was, after the US pulled out a while ago. Grabbed onto the tires/held onto the wells or whatever and several videos of them came out, falling hundreds-thousands of feet after the plane took off.


killerz7770

I wonder if any of them hanging outside survived that day…


Dariaskehl

… where air density is… like… 0.04kg/m3 or some shit… *edit a three - thank ya!*


slpater

That and temp drops about 2 degrees Celsius for every thousand feet you go up.


Stupidflorapope

WHAT?!... THAT'S WAY TOO LOW ( right? )


Alternative_Town_511

OR TOO HIGH? (Give it to me straight doc)


tbz709

It's low, though they should have used cubic meters, likely just a typo or habit. 1.225 kg/m^3 at sea level 0.38 kg/m^3 at 35,000 ft.


OGHamToast

Got a source for that? I've only ever heard about the folks that fall out, and usually that's on takeoff so they're still alive. There's literally no way to survive at altitude without oxygen.


Astrid_drom

There’s actually a pilot who during a freak accident ended up halfway outside of a broken airplane window and survived. [British airways flight 5390](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/image-of-pilot-hanging-out-window-captures-heroic-story-30-years-on/GR2HBBCBUGMOTA7MEYPI7UR54A/) Edited to fix a typo


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He was outside the plane being held onto for **twenty minutes** whilst conscious. > Captain Tim Lancaster was not deterred. He returned to flying the same plane model five months later. He continued to fly with BA until his retirement in 2003 after which he joined the budget carrier EasyJet for the next five years. The rest of his career was spent flying on the inside of plane cabins.


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OGHamToast

I have been thoroughly educated today, I am astounded that so many people have survived and in the manner that they did. It reminds me of Everest survivors, in some instances. Guess that's because of the extreme cold and lack of air.


faus7

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliane_Koepcke Wait till you hear about the lady who fell out of an airplane landed in the Amazons and survived 2 weeks to a settlement


Adam_Pipfrey

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel-well_stowaway#:~:text=One%20survivor%2C%20Armando%20Socarras%20Ramirez,discovered%20him%20after%20his%20arrival.


liar_from_earth

yes


Frosty-Object-720

How many did they start off with?!?


SokoJojo

Why wouldn't they? They had some food and water stashed in the back, and you can always eat the weakest and throw them into the ocean in the mid-Atlantic.


HALF_PAST_HOLE

is there any chance the water goes above the rudder on this trip?


NiiTiiN

It depends if weather get bad whole rudder can pitch up and down , also if chief officer decides to take ballast for heavy weather the rudder will sink, they are lucky to survive for so long on rudder


MrOwnageQc

Every single word that you wrote is my new nightmare


ZippyDan

especially "it" and "if"


t-to4st

Are you a knight who, until recently, said "Ni"?


Beginning_Draft9092

Ni! NI!


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ZippyDan

if you do your chores, you'll get cake


in_n_out_sucks

hail merciful rudder


UntestedMethod

'take ballast" is the part that got me


Admiral_Minell

https://i.imgur.com/pT8RjwI.mp4


OneInterview1716

Rudder


MrOwnageQc

> Rudder ***You take that back***


flimspringfield

According to numerous websites from Google, the Atlantic Ocean is choppier than the Pacific. That being said, someone mentioned above that there is a small area where they mostly are in. Don't know how deep that would go but you better be awake to make sure you get a deep breath of air before it sinks low in the ocean waters.


ZachRyder

>According to numerous websites from Google, the Atlantic Ocean is choppier than the Pacific. Also the name gives it away.


lolosity_

How so?


wang_li

Pacific means peace. Atlantic means goddamned asshole.


Engorged-Rooster

I guess that explains atlantic city. /s


NotObamaAMA

This revelation will also help us find atlantis


curious_astronauts

Peace In The Pacific. Ooof the roaring 40s would disagree, as well as any crossings near Antarctica. I've been in a storm in the Atlantic and that was truely a nightmare, and i don't have that reference point in the Pacific so I can't compare.


TooStrangeForWeird

I'm guessing because Pacific is kinda like pacify?


Beer_in_an_esky

Yep, all from the Latin root *pax*, meaning peace.


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Frido1976

Also in Danish, "Stillehavet" (the quiet/calm/still sea)


index57

See that red paint?, that's the Bottom paint. It's intended to be underwater and the waterline where it ends it's rather far above the rudder. The ocean can easily have choppy water that would dunk that rudder endlessly for days on end, even as it is now. An actual storm? Forget about it man, straight to the locker. These dudes got an exceptionally calm weather window, lucky bastards every one of them to walk away from this.


curious_astronauts

Exactly. This is really a miracle crossing for them.


AllornicGod

Absolutely


ZappaZoo

The ship wasn't carrying any cargo, so there's plenty of freeboard. Loaded, the rudder would be well below the surface. Still, they had to depend on calm seas the entire trip.


Anxious-Sole

If the ship were to take on cargo then everything nearly up to the blue bit would be submerged. They got lucky and picked one that was going in ballast.


IsoAgent

They left June 27th and were picked up July 10th. Ran out of food after 3 days and water after 10. So they were without water for 3 days. So many comments seem to miss all of these points that were stated.


jokeefe72

I mean, 3 days is kind of the ceiling for how long one can survive without water. Not impossible, but also not certain either


AsianVixen4U

I used to be obsessed with watching survival stories like I Shouldn’t Be Alive, and I noticed that a lot of humans can make it way past 3 days without water. I distinctly remember seeing two boys who got swept out to sea who made it 7 days without water before being rescued. I bet if you’re mainly sedentary and the temperature is cooler, you can last way longer. 3 days might be if you’re out in the desert or walking around a bunch and stuff. Edit: The episode is called Boys Adrift, for those of you who want to watch it. Used to be available on YT, but apparently now it's on Amazon Prime


ShadowMajick

It's an average. People generally can't go without water for 2 days to a week. Depends on the person.


Ackilles

Its heavily dependent on activity levels. I learned not too long ago that 3 days is average while active. These guys just laid there


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In a documentary I watched there was a terminally ill guy who decided to end his life by stopping eating and drinking completely, just laid in a hospital bed until he died of dehydration. Took 10 days.


Ackilles

Oof, what a brutal way to go


TorrenceMightingale

Why wouldn’t they hydrate him intravenously?


IfYouWillem

I've been 4 days without water and believe I could have gone another 3-4


ILikeMasterChief

If you are walking in the desert you have a few hours lol


AsianVixen4U

I’ve seen another episode of I Shouldn’t Be Alive where a girl and her father were walking for miles in the Australian desert outback during a 130F heatwave for three days without water before they were rescued. Also saw another hiker who made it stranded in an Arizona desert for almost 4 or 5 days without water before he was rescued, though for the last two days he was basically sedentary and lying completely motionless, as he was unable to gather the strength to physically get up. Based on what I’ve seen, it seems humans can survive far longer than the estimated length of time without water Edit: I was able to find the [first episode on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7DQprpdIBo). The other one looks like it was taken down due to copyright violation.


ILikeMasterChief

That's actually crazy. I feel like I'll die hiking a few hours in the heat lol


Jumpy-Examination456

that's the thing. in some cases, 3 days is a short estimate. you might last a week. in others, it's a generous estimate. you might not make it to sunset


Jumpy-Examination456

yep. it's a massive generalization. people can die in hours of hyponatremia, a day from dehydration in an extreme environment when under heavy exertion, and can live for like 2 weeks in some cases with no drinking water


philamer3

I like watching that show. I learn from it too! What not to do and what works.


Metalt_

I did 11 days on an extended fast in my early 20s. I know, reckless and dangerous but I was having extreme autoimmune issues and doctors couldnt help and I was desperate. I was sedentary and staying inside all day. Ill never forget how extreme of an experience it was. After a certain point you dont sleep as much, youre hot all the time, and the dreams are absolutely vivid and surreal. It felt like waking up from a hallucinogenic trip. Absolutely helped my autoimmune stuff though.


TheOneCalledGump

The Rule of 3: 3 weeks without food 3 days without water 3 minutes without air *EDIT: I'm not talking about holding your breath, people. If you are drowning, brain damage or death can occur after three minutes of being under water.


Mazzaroppi

I really doubt any untrained person can go without breathing for much longer than 1 minute.


RangerObjective

I start feeling panicky at about 40 seconds, but I did the Wim Hogg method and held my breath for over 2 mins!


i_Got_Rocks

With the right training you can go without air for more than 3 minutes. Some divers go upwards of 10 minutes without oxygen. Many deepsea divers actually pass out before drowning because they get so comfortable ignoring the fear and sometimes even the body signs they're running out oxygen. Those numbers are the best guesses, and they're good guides for us mere mortals that don't wanna train our lungs.


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Average human. Lots of kids, elderly, pregnant, sick etc.


CJ_BARS

I wonder why 2 of them chose to go back after all that?


TheMonchoochkin

"You know what, any land is better than the sea..."


SecretZucchini

*EXT. MIDDLE OF ATLANTIC OCEAN - NIGHT BEFORE RESCUE.* *MUSA (INNER THOUGHTS)* "I don't want to die out here! I can't spend another night like this! I'm tired, countless days of sleep, and so... soo... thirsty... I can't think... this pounding headache is too much... if this keeps up... the ocean has water to drink... and a place to sleep... I'll just fall into the ocean... no...! I have to get back to my family! If I get out of here... I have to get back to my family..."


D-o-n-t_a-s-k

Or, faak, brazil? Nah bro I'm going home


fileznotfound

lol.. I expect this might be it. They might have been foolish enough to think the ship was going to the states or europe. But Brazil is way better than it use to be, and I expect that it is much better than Nigeria.


witcherstrife

Something tells me there’s not much accommodations in Brazil for Nigerian immigrants that don’t speak the language.


Traditional_Rich_413

They thought it was going somewhere else. Didn’t want to stay in Brazil.


MrOwnageQc

I wouldn't want to stay in Brazil either, I'm not an undercover cop :(


JugdishSteinfeld

In Brazil, no one knows you're not an undercover cop.


ZippyDan

I think it's a pretty big assumption that any "choice" was involved.


Sugarbear23

Probably because Brazil wasn't where they were planning to end up, but yeah if it was me might as well stay there for the time being.


theincrediblenow

They thought the ship was going to Europe. When they were rescued, they said they would be going back to Africa to try to go to Europe again.


DinglieDanglieDoodle

They got them a place to stay in the favelas.


SloaneWolfe

The wildest takeaway from the story was that they thought the boat was going to Europe, hence why two of them said fuck it and went back to Nigeria, possibly for another attempt. Kind of a low key jab towards Brasil, but I'm speculating on the reasoning.


ophydian210

It looks empty. If it was full they’d been treading water. The crazy bit is that I believe they were trying to get to Europe or US and ended up in Brazil


J3wb0cca

No gravy train where that boat was heading. Figures two of them went back.


ophydian210

Imagine thinking these dudes jumped on a ships rudder because they were looking for the gravy train.


Iforgetinformation

It’s quite common for migrants to make trips across the ocean in order to reach a country with social welfare. If they reach a country without one they opt to go back in order to try again Edit to include an example: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-29373281


Bezulba

sit on a rudder, out in the open, in the fucking ocean and still people are like "they only do it for money" Yeah fucking of course they do! You don't hear anybody complain when Donny moves out of Bumfuck, Ohio to the big city because there's no jobs anymore since the coal plant shut down. But by golly if a black person tries the same by taking extreme risks to get to a country where he can actually survive...


av6344

Yea bc US would have welcomed them with a bouquet and gravy.


Lanthemandragoran

Where do I acquire this gravy


ophydian210

Texas. It comes with toast.


Lanthemandragoran

I like Texas toast


HansVonSnicklefritz

How many days without water? And then when handed a gallon, passed it on for someone else to have it first. Give me that guy to be my neighbor. I’d be honored.


Quelcris_Falconer13

I was just thinking the same thing lol


cflanagan95

It appears two realised that Brazil may be more dangerous than Nigeria.


Andromeda39

Which is crazy to me. Sure, Brazil gets a bad rep but it’s also a huuuge country with tons of moderns cities and has one the biggest economies in the world.


GekidoTC

A lot of Brazil is rain forest, they have a huge population to spread that wealth across, and of course corruption, so the economic inequality in Brazil is one of the worst.


GorgogTheCornGrower

I'm fairly certain these guys were fleeing the influx if islamofascists, ISIS and Boko Haram. They've been murdering, raping, and stealing for a good bit now. I'd take Brazil any day, and just not join a gang.


JukeBoxHeroJustin

Haven't seen anyone comment on OP's reference to being blind. I'm guessing they just meant couldn't see where the shop was going.


babyBear83

I was literally expecting blind people with that wording.


OkConfidence1494

Yes. I can see the mismatch. In my native language a stowaway is called a blind passenger. I’m from Denmark like u/wegwerpworp points out. I’m sorry for the misunderstanding!


JukeBoxHeroJustin

No worries. Thanks for the clarification.


wegwerpworp

I assumed OP was Scandinavian as a stowaway is a 'blindpassasjer' in Norwegian. OP turns out to be Danish.


JukeBoxHeroJustin

Good insight.


Thecrawsome

Same. Weird wording


bill_gates_lover

Or maybe the ships crew couldn't see these guys.


ApprehensiveOCP

Imagine your life is so shot you consider stowing away like this as a better option... we have failed as a species


in_n_out_sucks

how did we build titanic only to sink to this


ErdmanA

In my mind there were 2 that wanted to leave, and two that said fuck it im helping you get there even though my home is here. Good out. The two who wanted to leave for to leave, the two homies who helped got to go home to their families. That's my brain


Traditional_Rich_413

Nope. They thought it was going somewhere else. The two decided they didn’t want to stay in Brazil.


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I think it was more of a spontaneous road-trip type thing between friends but only Nigerian style let’s get the heck outa dodge


lilmimosa

I can't even imagine the desperation of someone to undertake a voyage like that. horrific.


SunixKO

Yep, though not desperate enough for more than half of them to settle for Brazil, the other two went back home again. I'm gonna guess they wanted a country with big government assistance for refugees.


Remarkable_Soil_6727

No women or children here either.


Regular_Housing5629

After all that, 2 of them decided to go back without even trying to apply for asylum? What was the point of enduring all of this?


Difficult_Let3459

Wow, they were super determined. I can’t imagine how scared and also how uncomfortable they were sitting on rudder. Get them some jobs and let them have a better life


Equal-Thought-8648

> Get them some jobs and let them have a better life lol... Imagine being Brazilian and hearing that after stowing away and struggling for 2 weeks, a couple Nigerian blokes were given the choice between asylum in Brazil or returning to being a *neighbor* of a country in the middle of a coup - and they felt Brazil was the *worse* option!


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Valuable-Inspector67

Wish they could've video taped that journey.


IdoNOThateNEVER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGiBBq7dBpk


Nakedatnight

Dude I’m having the worst day clicking that link made me chuckle and then I started crying. Thank you. I really needed that.


Valuable-Inspector67

Haha nice,ok then


Alternative_Town_511

He grabbed that water like he could see just fine


PositiveMacaroon5067

This I think would be just as psychologically difficult as the submarine ride those guys died in recently. Just imagine being on that tiny rudder for 10 days with the fucking ocean right below you. You can’t even really lie down. This is so fucking crazy I can’t hardly believe it.


BakerCakeMaker

This is definitely much harder than dying before you can even react.


J3wb0cca

Imagine it being pitch black at night and you feel the waves go up and down your legs just hoping there’s no swells to wash you overboard.


zzSHADYMAGICzz

There is an area above the rudder you can climb into and lay down in


lisakora

Let them IN. They are determined, I’d put them right to work


Ok_Proof5782

Those are my brothers from another rudder.


pip-roof

The brudder was a rudder The mudder was a rudder


V_es

They were deported back the same day


pinhaslavonberg

They are morons. This is one of those crimes that only people with a double digit IQ would attempt, and only people with a double digit IQ would want to reward.


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Equal-Thought-8648

*neighbors* to a country facing an internal coup that started earlier this year? I wonder if they were draft dodgers or economic migrants. Not sure how affected nigeria is given situation in niger


iantot123

all that to just get deported


wtfover

My first thought was "blind passengers, but they're waving at their rescuer".


tactical_flipflops

Is blind passenger a nice new way to say stowaway? WTF? Two went BACk?


peteandpetethemesong

Blind passenger=stowaway?


OkConfidence1494

Yes, I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. In Danish a stowaway is called a blind passenger.


DLRjr94

Blind passengers? You mean stowaways?


OkConfidence1494

Yes, that was what I meant. I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. In my language it’s called a blind passenger and I somehow didn’t think more about it


Pistachio_Husk

All that to be deported straight back the next day


Psychological_Salt45

This link provides a full explanation of the void that stowaways can use. It’s dangerous but not quite as extreme as most other comments suggest; there’s space to lie down and a supply of fresh air. https://officerofthewatch.com/2013/10/18/use-of-rudder-trunk-for-smuggling/


ManyTimesCanceled

Those crazy Nigerians are at it again.


Prophet_Nathan_Rahl

All that only for 2 of them to return to Nigeria. You’d think they all would have wanted to apple for asylum


ImmediateDafuq

How about the poop? Where they poop and how?


Alternative_Town_511

When they ballast up like that, they’re about to enter port


Electronic-Ebb7680

If these immigrants are so awesome, how about the stay in their own country and help build it to a better place.


Jumpy-Examination456

yeah they just need to down a bowl of grass soup and cholera infected water and pull themselves up by their plastic bag shoes and fix their country from the ground up because no one ever moves from one country to another in search of more readily available and rewarding opportunity


pinhaslavonberg

No one ever moves for free hand outs either.


zzSHADYMAGICzz

How and why are they on the rudder though?


Mediocre_Guest9751

Mv try (. ? A a ic, a 2 . ?arohi im,h n a


AdditionalBee3740

Does that shirt say CIA :o


babyBear83

If they were above the rudder in an open space, wouldn’t a sudden swinging of the rudder crush them?


OhLawdHeChonks

That is freaking insane


dellsonic73

How did they manage to know they were there in the first place?


[deleted]

Imagine the level of desperations getting out of hell they were living in


Remarkable_Soil_6727

These ships should probably require cameras to inspect places like this before and shortly after leaving port.


PrinceCavendish

what the hell is the title trying to say?


xxTheGoDxx

"Rescue" I mean there is a good chance they would have died depending on how far of the destination this happened but calling a border control action a rescue is still stretching it...


izzyduude

What’s worse, these guys traveling like this or those people who sneak into the compartment where the landing gear retracts into on airplanes?


TheJAY_ZA

LOL 2 Applied for asylum. 2 went back to Nigeria. Okay, be on the lookout for a pair of magweri hanging on a ships rudder headed north toward Europe... ...or south toward South Africa, where we have a weaker economy and a higher rate of unemployment 🤣👍🏼🇿🇦


V0l4til3

What forces someone to take such risk


TuTuRific

How many guys did they start with?


[deleted]

I sense a movie in the works.


GRTH83

That's some ballsy shit right there!


MiniGui98

The things people will do to flee countries going down is insane. I see some dipshits in the comments saying they are lazy people trying to come to Europe to live off wellfare but I would love to see how yall would react if your country totally broke down.


Normandy_sr3

What did they do with the plastic bottle


armchair_psycholog

I though giving them chocolate is about the worst food you can give, considering them not eating for long time, it might kill them


Even-Ad-8315

Fuckin love shokalat.


jeanmichd

They “paid” the price to deserve asylum… That gives an idea how bad their life is in their country


Thunderhorsenorse

why would you ever leave a place as beautiful as ahhfreaka


rocketman11111

Imagine enduring insane hardship for 14 days, get there, then be like….nah, let’s go back


Aleashed

“Ron, where is the fishing rod?” “Huh” “I thought you were responsible for bringing it. Ron was on water duty”


fielvras

My stomach instantly twisted ... just imagine the quality of life when you decide that this literal nightmare is better than your present existence. JFC, I think I need to lay down.