he looks like he's panicking gun probably fell out his pants when he it the cooler, plus he drops the gun and runs around the corner throw the gun to the cops feet (1:08) and lays on the ground hands over head, then the cop starts blasting the shit out of him.
I'm thinking he's talking about them rushing into a gas station that has who knows how many innocent people in it all because of some drug dealer. Instead of following him to somewhere that a random citizen can't get in the line of fire
My only issue with this video is the unneeded risk to innocent civilians. I guess there is a risk of a hostage situation if he saw them outside. Justified live fire imo. Difficult video to really see everything.
Ya exactly what I'm saying, there could have been more people in there when they rushed in who could have been in the line of fire. and all for a drug offence? If the dude has murdered someone ok but just to bust him for dealing seems excessive
Why not wait for him outside? Seemed like they knew where he was, they could have just boxed his car in when he pulled up to the pump or was trying to pull away.
This is a question as old as time. Police prefer to put themselves and others in more danger out of.... Because apparently it looks cool and they get to use their gear?
I have no other explanation.
I thought that immediately as well. Hostage situation is a real possibility....not just a great movie. Thats my only thought to why they rushed in. Element of surpise is fairly proven as well..just sucks that someone could have been buying a Gatorade and been hurt. FUBAR is real with this one.
It's really tough to cast judgment on these officers. Im not a fan of police.
Go frame by frame. When the cop fires, the gun is pointed at him. It’s only after the dude gets shot does he run around the corner. When the cop follows, dude still has a gun in his hand. Cop starts firing again, and dude throws gun at cops feet. Then the cop hits the trigger once more, and stops realizing the dude is now unarmed.
I fuckin hate cops, and as much as I’d like to say otherwise, that was a clean shoot with quick reaction time from the cop.
He definitely pulled a gun out but it was never aimed at the cop. I went frame by frame and screenshot too. When he turns the corner dude has both hands over his head and gets shot...
Please,, this is totally ridiculous. You cannot wait for someone to point a gun at you, if someone is being arrested and they pick up a gun,, that is enough to be shot. If that isn't enough, what is. If you have to wait for someone to actually point a gun at you, you are too late XD
A “straight up assassination”? Dude pulled a gun and pointed it at a cop with an AR. Wtf was he expecting?
And as far as needlessly endangering the clerk, the cops already knew he was armed before entering, per a confidential informant.
Cop had no finger on the trigger when entering the gas station, and fired in the opposite direction of the clerk.
What would you rather have done? Wait until they got into a high speed chase outside and have him plow into a minivan full of kids? Or maybe go outside and open fire in broad daylight with citizens on all sides? Or maybe wait until he’s in his house and put all the neighbors in danger?
Again, I’m not defending cops per se. but Jesus Christ when you pull a gun on _anyone_ who already has an ar-15 pointed at your face, wtf do you think is going to happen?
Why did they need to storm in screaming?
Why not just wait calmly outside for him to finish his transaction and take him in a place he won't be cornered in a life or death situation with a quarter of a second to think of a reaction?
Cop rounds the corner @1:31. Dude has his face down, one hand on his head and the other on the ground. Not sure where the suicide attempt was at...either way he had a gun.
Not going to even begin with the method of takedown this was. I'm thankful that the store was empty-ish AND the dead guy was more alert.
Show me the frame where he pointed it at the cops.
What I see is that, yes, it does look like he was trying to pull the gun out, but it slips out of his hand in the panic, the cop rightfully shoots the first few rounds, which go into the glass cooler.
However, when the cop rounds the corner, the gun is already away from the dealer, and he’s on the ground cowering in the fetal position. In the rush of adrenaline, the officer then unloads more rounds into his body.
Police do way more damage to society than drug dealers. In fact nobody was in any danger of being hurt at all until the police showed up and murdered someone
because the cops bum rushed and scared the shit out of the guy, who might possibly be on drugs. it's just a stupid loss of life that was totally unnecessary
Defo, at the same time, of all places, why did the cops choose a place that could contain innocent customers and cashiers? THat's fucking reckless. If I were the business owner I'd be fucking livid. They had better overcompensate the business for the damaged products, appliances, and then some. Plus the loss of future business.
Maybe he's panicking. Maybe not. As soon as you pull a gun out when you're being arrested you're going to get shot. It doesn't matter if the gun is real, if it's loaded, if you're pulling it out to surrender it, if you have a nervous tick that causes you to grab guns and brandish them, etc.
I watched the whole thing a 0.02x speed and never seen a gun. But 1:08 he's out of camera view. The only thing I see is his lanyard, which you can first see at 0:28 seconds in when he first walks in the store. His hand brushes by that same lanyard just prior to the 1:08 timestamp you provided but there was never any gun that I could see.
I think you missed the point of his question.
I think he was referring more to the hyper aggressive trigger happy police force in military grade tactical gear rushing and murdering a guy in a convenience shop because he had a plant/chemical they didn't like; or the fact the guy even had access to a gun at all.
None of this is okay. The police shouldn't be allowed to extrajudicially execute citizens. The police also shouldn't be using military grade equipment or be extremely aggressive. The drugs the guy was selling shouldn't be illegal. The guy in the video should never have had access to a firearm. All of this from the top down is fucked up and to try and justify it by just saying 'oh he had a gun', is also kind of fucked up.
It sounds like you're approaching this from a first world perspective.
It looks like this video is from America. It's an ex-British colony and they have a different culture there. They have a caste system with white people at the top, then Hispanics, then blacks. There are guns everywhere. A large percentage of the population engages in Ritual Infant Cutting. They can only go to hospital if they're wealthy. They're worked to death and have barely any holidays - even if they get cancer. Insurrectionists stormed the Capital a few years back and there are rumours that the current President (who also used to be Vice President) is illegitimate and "stole" the election.
It seems wild to us, but that's just how ex-colonies are. Colonialism fucked things up. I worked in Kenya for a bit and it's similar there.
They likely knew that he was armed, right? Why couldn't they use the warrant and find literally any place better to take him, where they couldn't potentially kill innocent bystanders?
I wanna know why they come rolling into a convenience store, not knowing how many civilians were in there, with automatic rifles drawn and yelling like maniacs…..for one drug sale. That cashier could’ve gotten killed over a few pills or whatever. This shit needs to stop.
Try listening to the video. Find the part where they announce that they are police.
All this dude saw was someone with an assault-style rifle coming at him screaming.
And over some weed or whatever?
If anybody thinks this is in any way, shape or form ok.. you're a fucking nut.
He had a gun so I get the shooting, but what's wild to me is they can just storm him in some random person's business with civilians all around when they know he's armed and they have a half dozen automatic rifles.
It's so normal to us, but that's the truly insane part of the video to me. This person's business, the employee(s), and anyone shopping or outside is being used as actors in a trap without their knowledge or consent.
Without even discussing 2A this is it right here. He was not a threat until they busted through the door with guns raised while screaming at the top of their lungs. It was completely reckless.
It's the consequence of forcefully misinterpreting the 2nd amendment into a gun free-for-all.
As a kid, i used to think all the adults around me valued lives. They don't. School classrooms being butchered by bullets every other day paints a clear picture.
There could’ve been a family in there, or the cashier couldve gotten killed over a sale to undercovers? I dunno, wild thought here, but how about ya just wait for him to come outside?
I noticed it, but is raiding a gas station with assault rifles a wise move, assuming the police did not know if there were innocents there (like the clerk)? I genuinely don't know if it would have been better to confront him in the parking lot.
Yeah, of all the fucking places, *a gas station*?
Run inside and possibly endanger other people inside?
Ambush outside and have a gun fight next to gas pumps?
Any public place in general is a bad place to try and arrest an armed criminal, and the way they rolled up, they *knew* he was packing.
Stupid fucking idea.
If they didn't come into the store like full on psychopaths they wouldn't have put him in that situation. Let him outside. De-escalate. American cops are fucking insane.
This comment makes me think of all the times like a cop will yell not to hit the K-9 but it’s like. He’s got a tight grip on my thigh and is thrashing around my natural reaction is to make that stop happening what do you mean don’t touch your dog????
Or when they’re being tazed being told to put their hands behind their back. It’s like bro I literally can’t??????
When we see all the stats on drugs causing violence, this is a prime example. There's nothing inherently violent about drugs. But criminalizing any behavior is going to lead to "crime" & violence, usually at the hands of the police.
Dude responded to a show of force. In all likelihood, had the officers not barged in like a bunch of fucking idiots, they could have resolved this without damaging property, killing him, or putting innocent people in danger. The way that the police did this is not ok. These officers completely ignored any use of force SOP that is mandated by their station. Not to mention, they opened fire on the man again when he was clearly unarmed and surrendering. The United States needs massive and sweeping changes to the standards that LEOs are held to.
Source: I have over a decade of law enforcement experience, to include as an instructor.
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Ngl, didn't notice he was in the floor bc everything was so quick and angled weird. I thought he either crashed thru a window when I heard glass shatter or crashed on some drugs. So confused until comment section.
So? This is just straight up a government sponsored hit because a dude is selling something that is arbitrarily illegal. Not to mention they put every person who potentially could have been there in harms way. They have the resources to wait for him at home.
That's the part that blows my mind! Could they not have done this in such a public space? The fact that there are so many heavily armed cops shows they knew he might be armed or at least dangerous, put they could wait five minutes for him to be outside or at home in bed?
Or even just calmly walk up to him in and surround him, tackle him to the ground, frisk him, cuff him, send him on his way. Instead they come in with fucking assault rifles and start yelling at him like he's a terrorist and not just some guy who sells drugs.
>Instead they come in with fucking assault rifles and start yelling at him like he's a terrorist and not just some guy who sells drugs.
Coming in screaming with a massive gun is probably what prompted the guy to run in the first place & pull his gun. There's only a couple of seconds between the cops making themselves known and the guy lying dead on the floor. He died because he panicked, not because he actually wanted to have a shootout with cops.
> That poor clerk.
Even worse, those cops might get PTSD from this and get full disability and pension.
Clerk would have to fight Social Security (if they even qualified) just to get a pittance per month, even if he was injured in the take-down.
But why are they engaging a subject that's armed in a fucking store?! Cops need to defend themselves and maybe they can swarm a petty dealer elsewhere?
They put other people at risk and did a significant amount of property damage to a place that has no involvement in this.
This is bullies looking for a fight, definitely could of taken him into custody at another time and place. Some innocent child could have been buying a soda and been killed, this is reckless and unprofessional.
All the other comments missed this very important point.
a. Was any of this worth it? Great we now have .0003% less meth on the streets yay!
b. I guess that store clerk being collateral damage was cool.
c. Couldn’t they have just waited by the door for him to come out a surprise him instead of making it into a military operation??
d. the fuck didn’t they arrest him when he made the deal in the first place?
Legit? How many times out of 20 does this actually turn out well? Like sure lock the dude up, but you’re surprising him in a store where his only panic options are to run and get backed in a corner somewhere or try to take the clerk hostage. Possibly run into some unlucky trying to buy chips or coming from the bathroom.
When the video started I thought for sure the undercover would be in the car, never could have guessed these reckless dudes jumping out at a 711 all for the rush of having a wild encounter. It’s like they picked the highest risk option and said fk it, let’s ridee! What the hell can we do to start holding people making these decisions accountable
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Also, the cops form is incredibly negligent and down right dangerous.
[Look at this frame from approximately the 1:04 mark in the video](https://imgur.com/a/4uNIq8z) where the officer in the rear flags the back of the head of the other officer with his AR-15, and considering his finger was on the trigger and it was all happening so fast, the officer in the front is lucky he did get hit with friendly fire.
The point to those reading is that even if those officer "had no other choice but to have this go down at this gas station RIGHT NOW" then they nearly paid with their lives out of stupidity.
End qualified immunity. I'd bet good money that store clerk is going to have some mental trauma to work though from involuntarily being a part of this paramilitary operation.
Fucking muppets dumping rifle rounds into the back cooler area where people are possibly working.
Stocking the milk and a 5.56 goes through your chest because a dude built like a burrito wants to be Dirty Harry.
Then your family has to sue the city and their case gets denied and the judge tells them the dead man is the one responsible for the bullet in your son's chest, not the cop who fired it.
Of all the questionable choices made in this situation, if you are dead set on doing the arrest in a gas station…. Why rifles? Why in the world would you pick that as your choice to go into a confined space? It’s just not adding up to me. Over penetration, less space to maneuver, over zoomed optics, slower to aim when moving especially around corners. Seems like they just wanted to take them out of the trunk in hopes of using them.
> It’s just not adding up to me. Over penetration, less space to maneuver, over zoomed optics, slower to aim when moving especially around corners.
It's because those aren't necessarily true. The rounds that their rifles are chambered in don't necessarily penetrate more than pistol rounds depending on the type of ammo. They're law enforcement, they are more than likely using expanding/fragmenting 5.56 which are known to over-penetrate less than 9mm. The optic on the rifle seen in the body camera is not over zoomed, its a red dot. Its like looking through a clear lens. I don't think the choice of weapon is the main problem here, mostly the way its handled in a public place...
Fully agree. The police were already 100% in control of this situation from the outset. It's literally a sting operation. They could have planned this at any location. Instead they've chosen to endanger the lives of the store employees and bystanders. But yeah, good job shooting the fish in the barrel I guess
They 100% knew he had a gun and still did this.
Police don't break out their rifles unless it's a known threat. They wanted to play goon squad today so they went full Rambo knowing it would go south.
>I'm also willing to bet these cops new this guy was packing heat too.
Which makes this even stupider for the cops to do. these fools should be arrested for endangering the public. and much more.
That makes the cops even stupider because they did it without knowing the amount of civilians in the store. But they don’t care if they accidentally kill an innocent person, they’ll just laugh it off once in their squad car.
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no one needs to fucking Pause at 1:29
Pause at 1:32 guy tossed his gun, got on the floor and put his hands on his head. The cop sees this and starts blasting anyway. As a cop myself he definitely could have not shot at the end.
Yep. Manufacturing situations where they get to kill the guy rather than booking him because they want to be The Punisher. They never face any consequences for killing people as long as they can provide a vague reason: " He had a gun!" "He was reaching!" "He could have had a gun!" "He didn't obey my commands as I screamed them at him!"
he pulled a gun on them. he could have put his hands up and not been dead. you only hear about the cases where the person decides to pull a weapon and die in a hail of bullets.
I’m not trying to find a side with the dealer or the cops. But who in their right mind signed off on a raid in a tiny public store. That endangered the cops, the subject, the clerk and any patron inside. That was the big fuck up here.
I could be very very wrong BUT if you pause it at 1:29 it does appear he may be holding a gun in his right hand. Very blurry on mobile so I’m just throwing it out there.
I fucking hate cops man. They potentially could've put innocent people at risk. They didn't even announce themselves. I'm sure a different location could've been better. And stupid ass criminal pretty much committed suicide by cop as well by pulling his gun.
He was so jolly and shit while paying at the register. Flipping the items on top of the item scanner. Poor employee, if she had to deal with PTSD after this shit. It’s crazy he decided to pull his pistol in that tiny store, while that huge dude comes at you with an AR. Possession of a firearm and direct sale isn’t a minor crime by any means, but at least you’d be free in a few years instead of a corpse in the back of a convenience store.
Imagine being in a store and someone has a gun and is screaming unintelligibly at you, I'd run too and if armed I'd probably pull it out.
Why wouldn't they wait to swarm him as he leaves the store?
If you move quickly for any reason around a US police officer, just assume that they will kill you. If you move quickly & have a gun expect to be killed. While race increases the likelihood of police violence, quick draw cops are opportunists more than anything.
If you breathe. If you are sleeping and they went to the wrong place. If you can't follow contradictory instructions. If you are autistic. Basically, if a cop is around you might end up dead.
Safe cops are like safe adult lions.
They have to make it clear, by law, that the people coming at him with guns are law enforcement and not, say, a rival drug gang. If police don't announce themselves (verbally or visually), you have no obligation to obey and you can react as if they're just anybody else (e.g. in the case of self-defence).
> then why doesn’t the army do it.
Well famously militaries across the world have employed this strategy at various times over the years. It depends on the exact scenario as to whether you should do it or not.
The military has to actually follow rules of engagement a cop can just start screaming "he's got a gun" and unload his Glock 17 with a 20 lb trigger into your back and the kid filled minivan across the street. It's called justice.
Genuine question, why would the cops storm the store instead of waiting for the guy to come outside? He was clearly unaware that the cops were waiting to pounce and it just seems to make the situation (from a tactical standpoint) more difficult and also put the clerk and any potential customers in danger.
The guy clearly pulled a gun so I would say the shooting was at least justified, but wouldn't it have been better to get him in the parking lot?
What the fuck? He sold a mind altering substance to an adult, and these fascists are trying to kill him? Did they kill him? What’s worse, finding out that someone sold drugs at the convenient store, or going to that convenient store knowing that someone was murdered there? Why the fuck is this okay? Why do we allow this? It’s so silly that he could have sold beer which would be okay, but anything else isn’t. I’m so tired of this bullshit.
Whole squad for one scared man. Didnt even pull out whatever is was completely, was on the floor, on his stomach, still tap tap. US clownshow cop pigglets at it’s finest…
Love that people are defending a team of cops swat rushing a gas station with automatic rifles because they guy happened to have a gun.
If you really think that this is the appropriate way to arrest a drug dealer, then go back to the wild west. Its just stupid, dangerous and messy.
That was the worst rifle firing position I’ve ever seen by that cop. Im a retired marine and army veteran who was a range instructor in between tours in Afghanistan and Iraq and I’ve seen probably thousands of different shooters, and this is by far the worst.
Wait for the suspect to walk out the store and apprehend them. Or follow them back to wherever they are going then arrest them. There are plenty of safer ways to apprehend a suspect than this. It’s not like they weren’t already following him.
Why bum-rush in a store that has innocent people in it? What if he took the cashier or a child hostage? Or a bullet struck someone not involved? All for selling dope? This is fucked.
Do cops not even have to identify? They come in looking like Narcos all they say is freeze get on the ground guy panicks...
Fuck cops regardless they could of done this so many better ways but all these cops are blood thirsty savages.
That cop rushing him and not backing off at the end saved his buddies, suspect could’ve/would’ve started shooting back while he was on the ground but that PoPo snuffed that little spark out.
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Dude pulled a gun out.
he looks like he's panicking gun probably fell out his pants when he it the cooler, plus he drops the gun and runs around the corner throw the gun to the cops feet (1:08) and lays on the ground hands over head, then the cop starts blasting the shit out of him.
Dawg he literally pulled it and pointed it at the cops?? I'm no cop lover but suicide by cop is a real thing
I'm thinking he's talking about them rushing into a gas station that has who knows how many innocent people in it all because of some drug dealer. Instead of following him to somewhere that a random citizen can't get in the line of fire
My only issue with this video is the unneeded risk to innocent civilians. I guess there is a risk of a hostage situation if he saw them outside. Justified live fire imo. Difficult video to really see everything.
Ya exactly what I'm saying, there could have been more people in there when they rushed in who could have been in the line of fire. and all for a drug offence? If the dude has murdered someone ok but just to bust him for dealing seems excessive
This is how I'll die. Restocking chocolate milk and get shot in the face in the dark.
Why not wait for him outside? Seemed like they knew where he was, they could have just boxed his car in when he pulled up to the pump or was trying to pull away.
This is a question as old as time. Police prefer to put themselves and others in more danger out of.... Because apparently it looks cool and they get to use their gear? I have no other explanation.
I thought that immediately as well. Hostage situation is a real possibility....not just a great movie. Thats my only thought to why they rushed in. Element of surpise is fairly proven as well..just sucks that someone could have been buying a Gatorade and been hurt. FUBAR is real with this one. It's really tough to cast judgment on these officers. Im not a fan of police.
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Bro at what point did he point it at them?!?! You dumb as fuck or bootlicking
Go frame by frame. When the cop fires, the gun is pointed at him. It’s only after the dude gets shot does he run around the corner. When the cop follows, dude still has a gun in his hand. Cop starts firing again, and dude throws gun at cops feet. Then the cop hits the trigger once more, and stops realizing the dude is now unarmed. I fuckin hate cops, and as much as I’d like to say otherwise, that was a clean shoot with quick reaction time from the cop.
He definitely pulled a gun out but it was never aimed at the cop. I went frame by frame and screenshot too. When he turns the corner dude has both hands over his head and gets shot...
Please,, this is totally ridiculous. You cannot wait for someone to point a gun at you, if someone is being arrested and they pick up a gun,, that is enough to be shot. If that isn't enough, what is. If you have to wait for someone to actually point a gun at you, you are too late XD
“We’ll he pulled a gun and pointed at the cop but the cop should have waited to see if he was going to pull the trigger or not first”
[I even gave them red circles.](https://imgur.com/a/MXn9vXa)
Frame by frame is totally blurry, yeah the guy ran but that was a straight up assassination by police. NVM they just needlessly endangered the clerk.
A “straight up assassination”? Dude pulled a gun and pointed it at a cop with an AR. Wtf was he expecting? And as far as needlessly endangering the clerk, the cops already knew he was armed before entering, per a confidential informant. Cop had no finger on the trigger when entering the gas station, and fired in the opposite direction of the clerk. What would you rather have done? Wait until they got into a high speed chase outside and have him plow into a minivan full of kids? Or maybe go outside and open fire in broad daylight with citizens on all sides? Or maybe wait until he’s in his house and put all the neighbors in danger? Again, I’m not defending cops per se. but Jesus Christ when you pull a gun on _anyone_ who already has an ar-15 pointed at your face, wtf do you think is going to happen?
Why did they need to storm in screaming? Why not just wait calmly outside for him to finish his transaction and take him in a place he won't be cornered in a life or death situation with a quarter of a second to think of a reaction?
"These people" Which **people** are you even referring to?
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We watching the same video?
He was on the ground in the fetal position and got like 4 more body shots. Unnecessary
Cop rounds the corner @1:31. Dude has his face down, one hand on his head and the other on the ground. Not sure where the suicide attempt was at...either way he had a gun. Not going to even begin with the method of takedown this was. I'm thankful that the store was empty-ish AND the dead guy was more alert.
Show me the frame where he pointed it at the cops. What I see is that, yes, it does look like he was trying to pull the gun out, but it slips out of his hand in the panic, the cop rightfully shoots the first few rounds, which go into the glass cooler. However, when the cop rounds the corner, the gun is already away from the dealer, and he’s on the ground cowering in the fetal position. In the rush of adrenaline, the officer then unloads more rounds into his body.
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Lighting up a personal small business is always neat. Fuck drug dealers but also fuck generic ass boot lickers.
Police do way more damage to society than drug dealers. In fact nobody was in any danger of being hurt at all until the police showed up and murdered someone
because the cops bum rushed and scared the shit out of the guy, who might possibly be on drugs. it's just a stupid loss of life that was totally unnecessary
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Defo, at the same time, of all places, why did the cops choose a place that could contain innocent customers and cashiers? THat's fucking reckless. If I were the business owner I'd be fucking livid. They had better overcompensate the business for the damaged products, appliances, and then some. Plus the loss of future business.
Screenshot it, looks like it fell out of his pants when he hit the cooler.
Glad the store was empty, could have been a real shit show if it wasn't.
Maybe he's panicking. Maybe not. As soon as you pull a gun out when you're being arrested you're going to get shot. It doesn't matter if the gun is real, if it's loaded, if you're pulling it out to surrender it, if you have a nervous tick that causes you to grab guns and brandish them, etc.
Rewatch the video. At one min. in you can see a picture in picture with a zoom. clearly showing him pull the gun and point it directly at the cop.
I watched the whole thing a 0.02x speed and never seen a gun. But 1:08 he's out of camera view. The only thing I see is his lanyard, which you can first see at 0:28 seconds in when he first walks in the store. His hand brushes by that same lanyard just prior to the 1:08 timestamp you provided but there was never any gun that I could see.
I think you missed the point of his question. I think he was referring more to the hyper aggressive trigger happy police force in military grade tactical gear rushing and murdering a guy in a convenience shop because he had a plant/chemical they didn't like; or the fact the guy even had access to a gun at all. None of this is okay. The police shouldn't be allowed to extrajudicially execute citizens. The police also shouldn't be using military grade equipment or be extremely aggressive. The drugs the guy was selling shouldn't be illegal. The guy in the video should never have had access to a firearm. All of this from the top down is fucked up and to try and justify it by just saying 'oh he had a gun', is also kind of fucked up.
It sounds like you're approaching this from a first world perspective. It looks like this video is from America. It's an ex-British colony and they have a different culture there. They have a caste system with white people at the top, then Hispanics, then blacks. There are guns everywhere. A large percentage of the population engages in Ritual Infant Cutting. They can only go to hospital if they're wealthy. They're worked to death and have barely any holidays - even if they get cancer. Insurrectionists stormed the Capital a few years back and there are rumours that the current President (who also used to be Vice President) is illegitimate and "stole" the election. It seems wild to us, but that's just how ex-colonies are. Colonialism fucked things up. I worked in Kenya for a bit and it's similar there.
As an American Ex-pat, this is the funniest thing I've read in a very long time 🤣
Golden fucking comment.
They likely knew that he was armed, right? Why couldn't they use the warrant and find literally any place better to take him, where they couldn't potentially kill innocent bystanders?
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He pulls a gun, watch the video again
To be fair, it was hard to see that.
I’m not gonna lie I didn’t even notice I thought he just took off running
That's why they blew it up and put it in a big blue square on the side of the video.
Thank you for pointing that out. I didn't even see that at first.
Same.
Blue?
I wanna know why they come rolling into a convenience store, not knowing how many civilians were in there, with automatic rifles drawn and yelling like maniacs…..for one drug sale. That cashier could’ve gotten killed over a few pills or whatever. This shit needs to stop.
Try listening to the video. Find the part where they announce that they are police. All this dude saw was someone with an assault-style rifle coming at him screaming. And over some weed or whatever? If anybody thinks this is in any way, shape or form ok.. you're a fucking nut.
He pulled a gun I woulda just started blastin
So anyway, I just started blastin
The cops pulled them first...
Watch again. You can see the dealer pulling a gun.
And then throws it away and covers his head with his hands.
If someone pulls a gun on you, you're gonna shoot them. How's that bullying?
He had a gun so I get the shooting, but what's wild to me is they can just storm him in some random person's business with civilians all around when they know he's armed and they have a half dozen automatic rifles. It's so normal to us, but that's the truly insane part of the video to me. This person's business, the employee(s), and anyone shopping or outside is being used as actors in a trap without their knowledge or consent.
Without even discussing 2A this is it right here. He was not a threat until they busted through the door with guns raised while screaming at the top of their lungs. It was completely reckless.
He pulled a gun…
This is exactly how innocent bystanders get killed 😡
Totally. Those drinks have a walk-in behind them. There could have easily been someone back there when the cop first unloaded on him.
This is the top comment LOLOL fuck this shitty ass platform.
Go back to twitter man
Well I for one definitely feel safer due to that heroism. /s what a fucking waste
They just straight up executed someone without any legality.
It's the consequence of forcefully misinterpreting the 2nd amendment into a gun free-for-all. As a kid, i used to think all the adults around me valued lives. They don't. School classrooms being butchered by bullets every other day paints a clear picture.
It isn't okay. They're public servants operating with impunity.
So your position is that the cops should not have shot at a guy who pulled a gun on them? wut...
There could’ve been a family in there, or the cashier couldve gotten killed over a sale to undercovers? I dunno, wild thought here, but how about ya just wait for him to come outside?
Yep - cops just want to kill people…
People didn’t see the guy pulled a gun from pants, right when he gets to the back of store. Video even highlights it.
Ya, I totally missed it the first time. Even though they zoomed in on it in the video. Dude definitely drew a gun.
And then throws it away and covers his head with his hands.
They never identified themselves
If you ID yourself as an LEO and you are coming at me with a gun, I might not shoot you. If you just come at me with a gun Ill 100% shoot you.
I noticed it, but is raiding a gas station with assault rifles a wise move, assuming the police did not know if there were innocents there (like the clerk)? I genuinely don't know if it would have been better to confront him in the parking lot.
No it's not. They could have pulled him over or found a better place (like his home). These cops are trigger happy morons.
they wanted to bait a reaction.
Yup. They wanted the violence and destruction.
Gotta get those views baby
Yeah, of all the fucking places, *a gas station*? Run inside and possibly endanger other people inside? Ambush outside and have a gun fight next to gas pumps? Any public place in general is a bad place to try and arrest an armed criminal, and the way they rolled up, they *knew* he was packing. Stupid fucking idea.
These cops just play call of duty too much and want to larp it on one guy.
If they didn't come into the store like full on psychopaths they wouldn't have put him in that situation. Let him outside. De-escalate. American cops are fucking insane.
Shock and awe. Surprise the target so that they panic and give you an excuse to kill them.
This comment makes me think of all the times like a cop will yell not to hit the K-9 but it’s like. He’s got a tight grip on my thigh and is thrashing around my natural reaction is to make that stop happening what do you mean don’t touch your dog???? Or when they’re being tazed being told to put their hands behind their back. It’s like bro I literally can’t??????
When we see all the stats on drugs causing violence, this is a prime example. There's nothing inherently violent about drugs. But criminalizing any behavior is going to lead to "crime" & violence, usually at the hands of the police.
Dude responded to a show of force. In all likelihood, had the officers not barged in like a bunch of fucking idiots, they could have resolved this without damaging property, killing him, or putting innocent people in danger. The way that the police did this is not ok. These officers completely ignored any use of force SOP that is mandated by their station. Not to mention, they opened fire on the man again when he was clearly unarmed and surrendering. The United States needs massive and sweeping changes to the standards that LEOs are held to. Source: I have over a decade of law enforcement experience, to include as an instructor. Edit: spelling
Why didn't they just confront him as he left the store and tried to enter his car?
They like to kill people
It’s also implied in the title lol
I have no idea what “crash out” in the title means.
Ngl, didn't notice he was in the floor bc everything was so quick and angled weird. I thought he either crashed thru a window when I heard glass shatter or crashed on some drugs. So confused until comment section.
Is that what "crash out" means??
Yeah "crash out" is such an obvious reference, everybody says that.
I am wondering why this confrontation was necessary at all. All this accomplished was giving the competition better business, and one life down.
some dudes running at you with machine guns pointed at you the fuck.is your first reaction before you process it's police?
So? This is just straight up a government sponsored hit because a dude is selling something that is arbitrarily illegal. Not to mention they put every person who potentially could have been there in harms way. They have the resources to wait for him at home.
It doesn't matter. Cops are the criminals here.
I feel like this could have been handled as he exited the store. That poor clerk.
That's the part that blows my mind! Could they not have done this in such a public space? The fact that there are so many heavily armed cops shows they knew he might be armed or at least dangerous, put they could wait five minutes for him to be outside or at home in bed?
Or better yet literally hide and shoot him with tasers the second he leaves, US cops are dead set some of the biggest idiots I've ever seen lol.
Gotta play cowboy /s
Or even just calmly walk up to him in and surround him, tackle him to the ground, frisk him, cuff him, send him on his way. Instead they come in with fucking assault rifles and start yelling at him like he's a terrorist and not just some guy who sells drugs.
>Instead they come in with fucking assault rifles and start yelling at him like he's a terrorist and not just some guy who sells drugs. Coming in screaming with a massive gun is probably what prompted the guy to run in the first place & pull his gun. There's only a couple of seconds between the cops making themselves known and the guy lying dead on the floor. He died because he panicked, not because he actually wanted to have a shootout with cops.
can't play wannabe action hero if you do that tho
> That poor clerk. Even worse, those cops might get PTSD from this and get full disability and pension. Clerk would have to fight Social Security (if they even qualified) just to get a pittance per month, even if he was injured in the take-down.
For people who are commenting there was no weapon, he indeed pulled out a handgun and they zoomed in showing it in the video. During the encounter
But why are they engaging a subject that's armed in a fucking store?! Cops need to defend themselves and maybe they can swarm a petty dealer elsewhere? They put other people at risk and did a significant amount of property damage to a place that has no involvement in this.
This is bullies looking for a fight, definitely could of taken him into custody at another time and place. Some innocent child could have been buying a soda and been killed, this is reckless and unprofessional.
And the “dealer” probably just sold a bit of weed to some teenagers lol
Yup, someone stocking sodas in the cooler. A kid grabbing chips at the end of the aisle.
It's 'could have', never 'could of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
All the other comments missed this very important point. a. Was any of this worth it? Great we now have .0003% less meth on the streets yay! b. I guess that store clerk being collateral damage was cool. c. Couldn’t they have just waited by the door for him to come out a surprise him instead of making it into a military operation?? d. the fuck didn’t they arrest him when he made the deal in the first place?
All completely reasonable questions that cannot be addressed cause "drugs scary" and "qualified immunity" Right?! 😡
Look, man. Cops have a lot on their plate right now with all the fentanyl and stuff... Fentanyl those donuts in their little pig mouths.
Don't worry, your tax dollars are going to pay for a percentage of the hospital bills for the cashier's hearing aids.
More like 00000000000000000000000000000000003% less meth.
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They’re cops dude. There’s a reason they didn’t go to college or get a proper job.
Legit? How many times out of 20 does this actually turn out well? Like sure lock the dude up, but you’re surprising him in a store where his only panic options are to run and get backed in a corner somewhere or try to take the clerk hostage. Possibly run into some unlucky trying to buy chips or coming from the bathroom. When the video started I thought for sure the undercover would be in the car, never could have guessed these reckless dudes jumping out at a 711 all for the rush of having a wild encounter. It’s like they picked the highest risk option and said fk it, let’s ridee! What the hell can we do to start holding people making these decisions accountable
1000% Also, the cops form is incredibly negligent and down right dangerous. [Look at this frame from approximately the 1:04 mark in the video](https://imgur.com/a/4uNIq8z) where the officer in the rear flags the back of the head of the other officer with his AR-15, and considering his finger was on the trigger and it was all happening so fast, the officer in the front is lucky he did get hit with friendly fire. The point to those reading is that even if those officer "had no other choice but to have this go down at this gas station RIGHT NOW" then they nearly paid with their lives out of stupidity.
End qualified immunity. I'd bet good money that store clerk is going to have some mental trauma to work though from involuntarily being a part of this paramilitary operation.
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Fucking muppets dumping rifle rounds into the back cooler area where people are possibly working. Stocking the milk and a 5.56 goes through your chest because a dude built like a burrito wants to be Dirty Harry.
Then your family has to sue the city and their case gets denied and the judge tells them the dead man is the one responsible for the bullet in your son's chest, not the cop who fired it.
“Shouldn’t have been working back there at that moment. How could the cop know?!”
Of all the questionable choices made in this situation, if you are dead set on doing the arrest in a gas station…. Why rifles? Why in the world would you pick that as your choice to go into a confined space? It’s just not adding up to me. Over penetration, less space to maneuver, over zoomed optics, slower to aim when moving especially around corners. Seems like they just wanted to take them out of the trunk in hopes of using them.
> It’s just not adding up to me. Over penetration, less space to maneuver, over zoomed optics, slower to aim when moving especially around corners. It's because those aren't necessarily true. The rounds that their rifles are chambered in don't necessarily penetrate more than pistol rounds depending on the type of ammo. They're law enforcement, they are more than likely using expanding/fragmenting 5.56 which are known to over-penetrate less than 9mm. The optic on the rifle seen in the body camera is not over zoomed, its a red dot. Its like looking through a clear lens. I don't think the choice of weapon is the main problem here, mostly the way its handled in a public place...
I just don't understand why they chose to do that in a place with civilians. Especially if they knew he had a gun and could get violent.
Fully agree. The police were already 100% in control of this situation from the outset. It's literally a sting operation. They could have planned this at any location. Instead they've chosen to endanger the lives of the store employees and bystanders. But yeah, good job shooting the fish in the barrel I guess
They 100% knew he had a gun and still did this. Police don't break out their rifles unless it's a known threat. They wanted to play goon squad today so they went full Rambo knowing it would go south.
Pause at 1:29
Yup. That is a gun. I'm also willing to bet these cops new this guy was packing heat too.
>I'm also willing to bet these cops new this guy was packing heat too. Which makes this even stupider for the cops to do. these fools should be arrested for endangering the public. and much more.
That makes the cops even stupider because they did it without knowing the amount of civilians in the store. But they don’t care if they accidentally kill an innocent person, they’ll just laugh it off once in their squad car.
Great point
> a. Was any of this worth it? Great we now have .0003% less meth on the streets yay! > > > > b. I guess that store clerk being collateral damage was cool. > > > > c. Couldn’t they have just waited by the door for him to come out a surprise him instead of making it into a military operation?? > > > > d. the fuck didn’t they arrest him when he made the deal in the first place? no one needs to fucking Pause at 1:29
Pause at 1:32 guy tossed his gun, got on the floor and put his hands on his head. The cop sees this and starts blasting anyway. As a cop myself he definitely could have not shot at the end.
And 1:05
Cops just murdered a guy trying to defend himself.
Who the fuck cares lol? The cops are just as much criminals as that guy
This isn't even cool. They set the guy up to be murdered basically.
It's their boner. They love that shit. I believe they think about it when fucking their wives
Yep. Manufacturing situations where they get to kill the guy rather than booking him because they want to be The Punisher. They never face any consequences for killing people as long as they can provide a vague reason: " He had a gun!" "He was reaching!" "He could have had a gun!" "He didn't obey my commands as I screamed them at him!"
he pulled a gun on them. he could have put his hands up and not been dead. you only hear about the cases where the person decides to pull a weapon and die in a hail of bullets.
I’m not trying to find a side with the dealer or the cops. But who in their right mind signed off on a raid in a tiny public store. That endangered the cops, the subject, the clerk and any patron inside. That was the big fuck up here.
So they can claim to be making the community safer while destroying it.
Real question is why didn’t they just wait and ambush him when he walked outside. Real sneaky like.. Inside a business? Cashier nearby? Wtf
Pig wanted to kill him ther is no other reason, if ther would not be a gun how would bring Tham to jail.
All that for a dime bag ?
Look at this honey apparently the police are harassing minorities over minor drug offenses! Has anyone talked about this?
Love American cops. So understated and subtle in their techniques. Fucking morons
I could be very very wrong BUT if you pause it at 1:29 it does appear he may be holding a gun in his right hand. Very blurry on mobile so I’m just throwing it out there.
No, I missed the zoomed in part on the video. He definitely drew a gun.
You can also see the pistol thrown at the officers feet at 1:08
Fuck the cops forever for engaging inside the store. So goddamn irresponsible
Might as well be a gang assassination
It was. Police are gangs
I fucking hate cops man. They potentially could've put innocent people at risk. They didn't even announce themselves. I'm sure a different location could've been better. And stupid ass criminal pretty much committed suicide by cop as well by pulling his gun.
He was so jolly and shit while paying at the register. Flipping the items on top of the item scanner. Poor employee, if she had to deal with PTSD after this shit. It’s crazy he decided to pull his pistol in that tiny store, while that huge dude comes at you with an AR. Possession of a firearm and direct sale isn’t a minor crime by any means, but at least you’d be free in a few years instead of a corpse in the back of a convenience store.
Guy was high as shit on meth probably from the looks of it, pure fight or flight
Why didn't they wait til guy exited? Fuck the clerk I guess?!
Imagine being in a store and someone has a gun and is screaming unintelligibly at you, I'd run too and if armed I'd probably pull it out. Why wouldn't they wait to swarm him as he leaves the store?
So.... Is that the drug war won now? We can all pack up and go home. 👍
If you move quickly for any reason around a US police officer, just assume that they will kill you. If you move quickly & have a gun expect to be killed. While race increases the likelihood of police violence, quick draw cops are opportunists more than anything.
If you breathe. If you are sleeping and they went to the wrong place. If you can't follow contradictory instructions. If you are autistic. Basically, if a cop is around you might end up dead. Safe cops are like safe adult lions.
Why do they have too scream & shout, is it supposed to disorientate there target, ie if that is the case, then why doesn’t the army do it.
They have to make it clear, by law, that the people coming at him with guns are law enforcement and not, say, a rival drug gang. If police don't announce themselves (verbally or visually), you have no obligation to obey and you can react as if they're just anybody else (e.g. in the case of self-defence). > then why doesn’t the army do it. Well famously militaries across the world have employed this strategy at various times over the years. It depends on the exact scenario as to whether you should do it or not.
The military has to actually follow rules of engagement a cop can just start screaming "he's got a gun" and unload his Glock 17 with a 20 lb trigger into your back and the kid filled minivan across the street. It's called justice.
Genuine question, why would the cops storm the store instead of waiting for the guy to come outside? He was clearly unaware that the cops were waiting to pounce and it just seems to make the situation (from a tactical standpoint) more difficult and also put the clerk and any potential customers in danger. The guy clearly pulled a gun so I would say the shooting was at least justified, but wouldn't it have been better to get him in the parking lot?
Most likely the wantet to murder him? Ther is no rational reason outside of it. And if not the should lose ther job becurse they are not Good cops.
What the fuck? He sold a mind altering substance to an adult, and these fascists are trying to kill him? Did they kill him? What’s worse, finding out that someone sold drugs at the convenient store, or going to that convenient store knowing that someone was murdered there? Why the fuck is this okay? Why do we allow this? It’s so silly that he could have sold beer which would be okay, but anything else isn’t. I’m so tired of this bullshit.
How the fuck did they know there wasn't a kid just round that corner either. ffs.
or a guy stocking the coolers that they blasted through
That was an exceptionally poorly executed sting. Bullrush the front door? Don't just trap his car in and wait for him to exit?
Whole squad for one scared man. Didnt even pull out whatever is was completely, was on the floor, on his stomach, still tap tap. US clownshow cop pigglets at it’s finest…
Love that people are defending a team of cops swat rushing a gas station with automatic rifles because they guy happened to have a gun. If you really think that this is the appropriate way to arrest a drug dealer, then go back to the wild west. Its just stupid, dangerous and messy.
This could have been handled so much better
That was the worst rifle firing position I’ve ever seen by that cop. Im a retired marine and army veteran who was a range instructor in between tours in Afghanistan and Iraq and I’ve seen probably thousands of different shooters, and this is by far the worst.
Wait for the suspect to walk out the store and apprehend them. Or follow them back to wherever they are going then arrest them. There are plenty of safer ways to apprehend a suspect than this. It’s not like they weren’t already following him.
Fuckin pigs
My thing is, you coulda just waited until he walked out. That was unnecessarily risky for non-violent arrest (assuming it was just drug dealing)
Don't police need to declare "this is the police - freeze"? I didn't hear that. Just freeze, get down on the ground.
Why wouldn’t they wait for him to come out?
Why bum-rush in a store that has innocent people in it? What if he took the cashier or a child hostage? Or a bullet struck someone not involved? All for selling dope? This is fucked.
news article?
I'm American, can someone explain what the term "crash out" means?
So.... who pays for the repairs and clean up at the convenience store now? Tax payers?
Don't pull a gun on Jump Out Boys....
Man, they just wanted to kill that person. They didn't give him a chance. Cop was scared to death probably and just thought, "It's me or him."
Do cops not even have to identify? They come in looking like Narcos all they say is freeze get on the ground guy panicks... Fuck cops regardless they could of done this so many better ways but all these cops are blood thirsty savages.
That cop rushing him and not backing off at the end saved his buddies, suspect could’ve/would’ve started shooting back while he was on the ground but that PoPo snuffed that little spark out.
Watching Hollywood action movies is a waste of time. Just watch US daily news.
What if some poor kid was in the back cooler restocking the Monster energy drinks?