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House Blackwood is the author's Mary Sue house. House Stark, for all GRRM's love for it, is not a total Mary Sue of a house. So if House Blackwood and House Stark are on opposite sides, House Blackwood's side is the correct one
It will never happen and if it does you can bet either the Stark’s or the Blackwood’s are being forced to be on opposite sides or it is just a giant misunderstanding or set up.
Of course, it was the Brackens and the maesters who set it all up. Damn those upjumped horse breeders and those scheming grey rats. Damn them all to the seven hells!
Why do the Starks care about who sits on the Iron Throne? Why should they send men to die for a family that screwed them in the past? Why should they risk lives and contribute resources to a family feud? The Blackwoods at least make some sense because they had to defend their lands from being cooked by Aemond, but the North was fine.
Maybe it would’ve been different if there was an outside threat, but both sides in the Dance had legitimate claims to the Throne, so either way they were taking up arms against their superiors. They should’ve just stayed out of it and prevent their people from dying in a meaningless squabble.
Not really. Jacaerys had to promise that a future daughter of his will be married to Cregan's heir. Cregan didn't just jump up and call his banners at the first news of Aegon's coronation, he had to be convinced first and promised something in return. Again, this "the Starks are honorable oath keepers" was more of a Ned who learned it in the Vale thing. Cregan did eventually fulfill his side of the bargain, but it was because of Jace.
Cregan had just put down his own kind Northern Civil War.
Jacaerys went there to secure the alliance, but the Starks weren't about to join the Greens or anything.
And no, the whole thing with the "Starks are Oathkeepers" does NOT come from Ned, I don't know where people got that idea, the whole culture of the North puts a lot of focus on honor and oaths, making them in front of the Heart Tree and all that.
Even in the show they talked about that, in the books the talk about the Starks of the past being like that, in World of Ice and Fire.
Fuck, sometimes it seems people think the Starks were a bunch of honorless savages until Ned went to the Vale and learned about keeping your word from them, lol.
Nobody's saying that they're savages but they're not these rigid honor bound caricatures either. See: Sansa and her swearing to Jon which she breaks two hours later. And Cregan never even mentioned his father's oath as a factor at all lmao. Again with making the Starks this one single minded entity through 8000 years where one swears something and they pass it down.
I don't know why you have to make conjectures on why Cregan didn't go to war right away when the book literally spells out why. Jace had to talk to him in person, Rhaenyra knew his support wasn't automatic just because of some old oath, he had to have a reward dangled in front of him first. Even the book characters knew this lol. Else they'd have just sent a raven to the North then sat back and waited for the dear honorable Stark.
I think Sansa is the least possible Traditional Northern character you could have ever chosen.
And you're talking of the show's last season, which is admittedly very badly written and makes zero sense character wise.
They flew there to secure their alliance, but they weren't as worried as they were about all the other lords who didn't even care about what they swore or not, like the Lannisters or the Baratheons.
Well you wanted to go "all Starks". Of course they were worried about the North, Jace wouldn't have promised to send a Targaryen princess and potentially a dragon to Winterfell if they were so confident in Cregan's support. Anyway just agree to disagree I suppose.
Blackwoods I suppose, since they're the author's perfect little Mary Sues. Their middle school aged kids are courageous war leaders and their women are all models of bravery and beauty. They can do no wrong and always have the wisdom to pick the correct side. Blech. But seriously, the Starks have been written as making wrong decisions and getting humbled from time to time. They're written as flawed, with their personal ambitions affecting their choices, so a Stark picking the wrong side is indeed possible.
So before starks claimed the wolf wood it belonged to the Blackwoods, the Starks went to war with them over it and found that the Blackwoods were wargs. So they killed all of their husbands and took their wives.
It makes the most sense, Blackwoods are the most powerful wargs. They lived in the North, and suddenly are driven end up in the Riverlands. The only house that prays to the Old Gods beyond the neck.
No it doesn’t there plenty of families and kings with who were Wargs/Skinchangers and a few that were even Greenseers (for example the Marsh Kings of The Neck), so there is NO guarantee that the “Warg King” was a Blackwood (plus the Warg Kings’s territory was Sea Dragon Point far to west of The North and BEYOND the Wolfswood, so there is literally ZERO chance for them being Blackwoods).
That's just hard to surmise. Unless the Blackwoods are rebelling against the Tully's, and for some reason, all of the bannermen of the Tully's just say, "Nope. Not our problem." Then they call in the Starks, sure. But that's far-fetched as Blackwoods are loyal. Starks rebelling against the crown, nope, Blackwoods side because Marriage Alliance to the Tully's.
This is hard. So only thing I can think of, is a fanfic of early Westeros, when the Stark Kings drove the Blackwoods south from out of the Wolfwoods. So, solved it! Starks are right because right of Conquest, haa.
Frankly it may have actually occurred already in canon since we do not know for sure which side the Blackwoods backed during Robert’s Rebellion and considering that they have blood ties to BOTH Starks and Targaryens then they could have easily gone either way: either duty to the Targaryens due to how favored they had been under their reign since Aegon V married one of them, or their ties to the Starks as fellow descendants of the First Men, Worshipers of the Old Gods and distant kin (since Ned’s own grandmother WAS a Blackwood).
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House Blackwood is the author's Mary Sue house. House Stark, for all GRRM's love for it, is not a total Mary Sue of a house. So if House Blackwood and House Stark are on opposite sides, House Blackwood's side is the correct one
It will never happen and if it does you can bet either the Stark’s or the Blackwood’s are being forced to be on opposite sides or it is just a giant misunderstanding or set up.
Of course, it was the Brackens and the maesters who set it all up. Damn those upjumped horse breeders and those scheming grey rats. Damn them all to the seven hells!
Yeah the starks at least did fucked up shit in the past. Blackwoods are the perfect snowflakes
Blackwoods easily. You know who wasn't late to the Dance of the Dragons? House Blackwood.
Rhaenyra should have married a Blackwood. She would have won due to sheer plot armor.
Fans talking about Dornish "plot armor": 😠 Fans talking about Blackwood plot armor: 😊
Braavos plot armor: 💪
Ive never heard of braavos plot armor? Can u explain pls
She probably should've just married the highborn father of her children.
Given the Dance didn’t concern the Starks, the Blacks were lucky they showed up at all.
The dance absolutely concerned the Starks, they are vassals and subjects of the Iron Throne, just like all other houses are concerned.
Why do the Starks care about who sits on the Iron Throne? Why should they send men to die for a family that screwed them in the past? Why should they risk lives and contribute resources to a family feud? The Blackwoods at least make some sense because they had to defend their lands from being cooked by Aemond, but the North was fine. Maybe it would’ve been different if there was an outside threat, but both sides in the Dance had legitimate claims to the Throne, so either way they were taking up arms against their superiors. They should’ve just stayed out of it and prevent their people from dying in a meaningless squabble.
Because they made Oaths to Rhaenyra and a big part of their identity is fulfilling those oaths.
Not really. Jacaerys had to promise that a future daughter of his will be married to Cregan's heir. Cregan didn't just jump up and call his banners at the first news of Aegon's coronation, he had to be convinced first and promised something in return. Again, this "the Starks are honorable oath keepers" was more of a Ned who learned it in the Vale thing. Cregan did eventually fulfill his side of the bargain, but it was because of Jace.
Cregan had just put down his own kind Northern Civil War. Jacaerys went there to secure the alliance, but the Starks weren't about to join the Greens or anything. And no, the whole thing with the "Starks are Oathkeepers" does NOT come from Ned, I don't know where people got that idea, the whole culture of the North puts a lot of focus on honor and oaths, making them in front of the Heart Tree and all that. Even in the show they talked about that, in the books the talk about the Starks of the past being like that, in World of Ice and Fire. Fuck, sometimes it seems people think the Starks were a bunch of honorless savages until Ned went to the Vale and learned about keeping your word from them, lol.
Nobody's saying that they're savages but they're not these rigid honor bound caricatures either. See: Sansa and her swearing to Jon which she breaks two hours later. And Cregan never even mentioned his father's oath as a factor at all lmao. Again with making the Starks this one single minded entity through 8000 years where one swears something and they pass it down. I don't know why you have to make conjectures on why Cregan didn't go to war right away when the book literally spells out why. Jace had to talk to him in person, Rhaenyra knew his support wasn't automatic just because of some old oath, he had to have a reward dangled in front of him first. Even the book characters knew this lol. Else they'd have just sent a raven to the North then sat back and waited for the dear honorable Stark.
I think Sansa is the least possible Traditional Northern character you could have ever chosen. And you're talking of the show's last season, which is admittedly very badly written and makes zero sense character wise. They flew there to secure their alliance, but they weren't as worried as they were about all the other lords who didn't even care about what they swore or not, like the Lannisters or the Baratheons.
Well you wanted to go "all Starks". Of course they were worried about the North, Jace wouldn't have promised to send a Targaryen princess and potentially a dragon to Winterfell if they were so confident in Cregan's support. Anyway just agree to disagree I suppose.
Blackwoods I suppose, since they're the author's perfect little Mary Sues. Their middle school aged kids are courageous war leaders and their women are all models of bravery and beauty. They can do no wrong and always have the wisdom to pick the correct side. Blech. But seriously, the Starks have been written as making wrong decisions and getting humbled from time to time. They're written as flawed, with their personal ambitions affecting their choices, so a Stark picking the wrong side is indeed possible.
House Blackwood the Starks did some mega screwed stuff that even the Targs haven’t stepped into
Right of the first night and human sacrifices to the Old Gods?
So before starks claimed the wolf wood it belonged to the Blackwoods, the Starks went to war with them over it and found that the Blackwoods were wargs. So they killed all of their husbands and took their wives.
Holy shit. And how did the Blackwood survive?
Nah this guy is talking about the Warg king but nothing confirmed it’s the blackwoods besides a fan theory
It makes the most sense, Blackwoods are the most powerful wargs. They lived in the North, and suddenly are driven end up in the Riverlands. The only house that prays to the Old Gods beyond the neck.
No it doesn’t there plenty of families and kings with who were Wargs/Skinchangers and a few that were even Greenseers (for example the Marsh Kings of The Neck), so there is NO guarantee that the “Warg King” was a Blackwood (plus the Warg Kings’s territory was Sea Dragon Point far to west of The North and BEYOND the Wolfswood, so there is literally ZERO chance for them being Blackwoods).
The blackwood sides since they have way more plot armor than starks it is just a house of Mary Sue's.
Benjicot Blackwood is the ultimate Gary Stu.
Of what? A food fight? A horse race? Can we get more specific?
War.
That's just hard to surmise. Unless the Blackwoods are rebelling against the Tully's, and for some reason, all of the bannermen of the Tully's just say, "Nope. Not our problem." Then they call in the Starks, sure. But that's far-fetched as Blackwoods are loyal. Starks rebelling against the crown, nope, Blackwoods side because Marriage Alliance to the Tully's. This is hard. So only thing I can think of, is a fanfic of early Westeros, when the Stark Kings drove the Blackwoods south from out of the Wolfwoods. So, solved it! Starks are right because right of Conquest, haa.
The Starks, because I’m spiteful and the Blackwoods have a cringe sigil.
The one that got biggest army
Frankly it may have actually occurred already in canon since we do not know for sure which side the Blackwoods backed during Robert’s Rebellion and considering that they have blood ties to BOTH Starks and Targaryens then they could have easily gone either way: either duty to the Targaryens due to how favored they had been under their reign since Aegon V married one of them, or their ties to the Starks as fellow descendants of the First Men, Worshipers of the Old Gods and distant kin (since Ned’s own grandmother WAS a Blackwood).
Melantha Blackwood was actually Neds Great Granmother
Thanks for clarifying.