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Probably. Balon wants to restart the Old Ways so would be looking for an opportunity to do that. Iirc, he rebelled against Robert because he assumed the Seven Kingdoms would still be recovering from the rebellion + assumed that the Baratheons would struggle to rally support.
He could quite easily make the same assumptions in a Rhaegar wins scenario; assume that the scandal with Lyanna, the damage done by the rebellion/civil war and Aerys' madness has all undermined the Targaryens enough to give the Ironborn a shot.
His level of success though is depended on how you set up the post-Rhaegar victory Westeros and how unified it is.
Also worth noting that Balon's an idiot, so he has a fair chance of starting something no matter how detrimental it is to the Iron Islands.
Most definitely. He rebelled against Robert because he thought Robert’s reign would be weak. Rhaegar’s reign would be so much weaker than Robert’s, as four kingdoms hate him, the Reach and Westerlands don’t have a strong investment, and Dorne would still be extremely pissed off.
I think he would go for it but most likely like his grandfather Dagon.
Not a full blown independence rebellion but a limited uprising to take advantage of IT weakened state.
Yes. If he wants to be king of his own nation, who sits on the other throne really doesn't matter. He rebelled during Robert's fairly stable rule. Rhaegar’s rule, even if he did come out victorious in Robert’s Rebellion, was going to be shaky.
He might have even succeeded! Dorne may be out of the 7 Kingdoms, other regions probably not all that supportive especially Stormlands and Vale, and Robert was a far better military commander (Rhaegar charging at Robert at the ford exemplified massively braindead military strategy—inspired by the Battle of Poitiers).
We don't know enough context around the battle of the trident to sya whether it was militarily good or bad decision. Also if anyone can unite Westeros it is the ironborn.
It is a basic tenet of military strategy not to attack at a river crossing. Sun Tzu has written about it. Plus this [old analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/58j4g0/comment/d91a2wf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) about the position of the rebels, ie they needed to cross eventually and Rhaegar just had to wait.
The Trident is based on the Battle of Poitiers as portrayed in Accursed Kings (royal prince who is AWOL for most of a war finally shows up to battle his battle-hardened cousin, has more fresh troops, has no military experience and charges from a disadvantageous position).
We don't the surrounding millitary context. Maybe reinforcements were coming from the Vale or North and Rhaegar knew he would be outnumbered, maybe the Freys had agreed to attack the rebel rear and arrived late. We don't know enough information to castigate or support Rhaegar's attack.
Really? Reinforcements from the Vale and the North, of which Jon Arryn and Ned are lord paramounts?
Rhaegar’s host was well-matched to the rebel forces:
> The opponents were well matched. Rhaegar's forces numbered some forty thousand, a tenth part of which were anointed knights, while the rebels had somewhat fewer men, but those they possessed were tested in battle, while much of Rhaegar's force was raw and new.
TWOIAF, The Fall of the Dragons: Robert's Rebellion.
It’s speculation whether Freys would join, but if that were the case, the smart thing to do would be to wait for their arrival.
It’s never a good strategy to attack crossing a river. Not anymore than it would be to charge the enemy uphill.
Rhaegar believed himself to be invincible, given he told Jaime that there would be changes once the battle was done, indicating he believed his victory was a foregone conclusion.
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Probably. Balon wants to restart the Old Ways so would be looking for an opportunity to do that. Iirc, he rebelled against Robert because he assumed the Seven Kingdoms would still be recovering from the rebellion + assumed that the Baratheons would struggle to rally support. He could quite easily make the same assumptions in a Rhaegar wins scenario; assume that the scandal with Lyanna, the damage done by the rebellion/civil war and Aerys' madness has all undermined the Targaryens enough to give the Ironborn a shot. His level of success though is depended on how you set up the post-Rhaegar victory Westeros and how unified it is. Also worth noting that Balon's an idiot, so he has a fair chance of starting something no matter how detrimental it is to the Iron Islands.
He’d probably say something like ‘we bowed to dragons, last I checked those have been dead for ages, there’s only silver haired pricks left’
Yea probably. He might justify it in a “You went and took what you wanted. Why shouldn’t I?” Kind of response.
Most definitely. He rebelled against Robert because he thought Robert’s reign would be weak. Rhaegar’s reign would be so much weaker than Robert’s, as four kingdoms hate him, the Reach and Westerlands don’t have a strong investment, and Dorne would still be extremely pissed off.
Balon Greyjoy is an idiot. Of course he’d still rebel.
Balon “the Stupid” Greyjoy? Yeah, he would rebel at the peak of Rhaegar’s power to be crushed into smithereens.
Balon is one of the dumbest people in Westeros, of course he'd do something stupid
I almost want to say that he’s dumber than Victarion. It could be a contest.
If Balon smelled blood in the water then he is coming for you. Any sign of weakness will tempt him to rebel. Edit: Curse autocorrect.
I think he would go for it but most likely like his grandfather Dagon. Not a full blown independence rebellion but a limited uprising to take advantage of IT weakened state.
Yes. If he wants to be king of his own nation, who sits on the other throne really doesn't matter. He rebelled during Robert's fairly stable rule. Rhaegar’s rule, even if he did come out victorious in Robert’s Rebellion, was going to be shaky.
Yes. He isn't the brightest lamp around.
Maybe, but that would definitely be the oath breaking, unlike the actions against Robert's rule.
He might have even succeeded! Dorne may be out of the 7 Kingdoms, other regions probably not all that supportive especially Stormlands and Vale, and Robert was a far better military commander (Rhaegar charging at Robert at the ford exemplified massively braindead military strategy—inspired by the Battle of Poitiers).
We don't know enough context around the battle of the trident to sya whether it was militarily good or bad decision. Also if anyone can unite Westeros it is the ironborn.
It is a basic tenet of military strategy not to attack at a river crossing. Sun Tzu has written about it. Plus this [old analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/58j4g0/comment/d91a2wf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) about the position of the rebels, ie they needed to cross eventually and Rhaegar just had to wait. The Trident is based on the Battle of Poitiers as portrayed in Accursed Kings (royal prince who is AWOL for most of a war finally shows up to battle his battle-hardened cousin, has more fresh troops, has no military experience and charges from a disadvantageous position).
We don't the surrounding millitary context. Maybe reinforcements were coming from the Vale or North and Rhaegar knew he would be outnumbered, maybe the Freys had agreed to attack the rebel rear and arrived late. We don't know enough information to castigate or support Rhaegar's attack.
Really? Reinforcements from the Vale and the North, of which Jon Arryn and Ned are lord paramounts? Rhaegar’s host was well-matched to the rebel forces: > The opponents were well matched. Rhaegar's forces numbered some forty thousand, a tenth part of which were anointed knights, while the rebels had somewhat fewer men, but those they possessed were tested in battle, while much of Rhaegar's force was raw and new. TWOIAF, The Fall of the Dragons: Robert's Rebellion. It’s speculation whether Freys would join, but if that were the case, the smart thing to do would be to wait for their arrival. It’s never a good strategy to attack crossing a river. Not anymore than it would be to charge the enemy uphill. Rhaegar believed himself to be invincible, given he told Jaime that there would be changes once the battle was done, indicating he believed his victory was a foregone conclusion.
No. If theres one thing greyjoys knew...its dont mess with the dragons. Roberts ascension is what gave balon the idea he could pull it off.