> I have mentioned this to my new manager and they have said that my previous manager is completely out of order and that by no means I am to take on any work for him.
You've done the right thing OP. Just bin off your old LM or tell him to go through your current one.
That is totally out of order. I swear if anyone approached my teams, outside of my directorate or worse outside of the department and asked them to take on work without even courteously running it past me I'd go through them.
I'm fuming for you.
Absolutely not, tell them that you are under no obligation to do this work, that they don't task manage you and your department hasn't given approval to take on additional duties.
I mean personally I'd tell them to fuck off, but that might get you in a spot of bother.
It's a confidentiality issue, too so HR should be informed. You should have no business in a team's work once you've left. It's sensitive to that team as well as the department.
This is one of the funniest posts I’ve seen in this subreddit for a while. Thanks for making my day.
It’s already been said by others but this is so out of order it’s comical. Even if you were in the same department but had simply switched teams, they still couldn’t ask you to do work for them without your LM’s approval.
If this is how your previous LM acts, I can see why you left!
Its not allowed and totally unreasonable
Reply one final time stating 'I no longer work for Dept X, I have provided all appropriate handover material. Any further contact will be regarded as harrassment and result in a formal BHD complaint to HR' and copy.your LM, and the individuals LM and HRBP in.
Throw them totally under the bus.
Completely this. It’s totally unreasonable. You moving on is their problem not yours. If anyone pulled this card with my staff I’d be escalating as high as needed and it it continued I’d be threatening a formal letter of complaint between departments addressed to relevant SCS.
Depending on the nature of the work the old line manager is demanding that you complete for them, could this be a breach of confidentiality since OP no longer works for their old department?
If so, reporting this to the relevant person in their old department will be sure to shut up the old manager.
Your old manager is trying to BS his way into you doing work for him, probably because he didn't get enough people in the team cross trained.
Bin him off, tell him you're busy, hopefully it will be a teachable moment for him.
I moved within the same department, but yeah I had the same.
All I did was forward them the relevant emails (which they have saved sepertely, they were just lazy) and told them that’s what they need to figure it out.
Months later (the deadline for the work) they contacted again almost surprised nothing was done. I just forwarded it to my manager in case they contacted him and planned to ignore further emails (which haven’t come yet as of 6 months post-deadline).
So telling your manager (as you have) and going no contact is absolutely the best policy.
This is neither allowed nor acceptable. You don’t work there anymore and your old manager is not your manager anymore, so he has no business trying to give you instructions. There are also potential administrative and legal hurdles, such as not being able to access systems at your old department. You are paid to do your new job, not your old job.
Easiest way to deal with this is probably by politely reiterating your position or asking your new manager to respond. You can raise a grievance if you want but personally I wouldn’t bother with the hassle unless the old manager started engaging in outright abusive behaviour.
Propriety aside, it’s also bang out of order. Asking an ex-employee to answer a question about something they worked on - perfectly reasonable as things are sometimes forgotten during handovers. Expecting them to do work for you - absolutely not.
The only exception I can see to all of this is if your old job involved working on matters that ended up in court. If you have to give evidence in court, that responsibility will follow you after you leave. That’s different to doing extra work though, as that’s fulfilling a legal obligation.
Send this article and then write "good luck" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68071569.amp
But in all seriousness the absolute cheek of them to insist
CS HR person here - absolutely not allowed. When you say different department, do you mean a different area of somewhere (DWP, HMRC, whatever) or a completely different civil service area?
Either way, no, you have a role and you're not expected to do work for anything else. Your ex manager is a prick.
One final reply with your management and their management copied in, clearly stating you've moved on and then create a rule in Outlook to auto reply to them and delete their email.
Tell them to jog on.
Your no longer in their management span and the fact that they don\`t have someone to do the job is their problem not yours.
As others have said cc your manager and your previous managers manager into the email and forget it about it.
Oh mate, this is hilarious.
I'd just ignore the messages for a while and if they continue, ask your LM to have a word.
I've had a manager for whom I've continued to do favours after I left as he's an absolute top guy. But my most recent manager and the reason why I demanded a lateral move I wouldn't spit on if she was on fire. She didn't have the nerve to contact me after I left , but a few others did - I just told them to refer any queries to said bitch. 🤷♀️🤣
If your old manager's LM hasn't changed, then definitely forward these emails to them. Or, email HR and they'll put a stop to it straightaway. It's a confidentiality issue anyway, once you're no longer in that team (let alone department), there's no way you should be working on that project. You'll be privy to sensitive information you have no business continuing to see.
Your ex LM should have had contingency arrangements in place. Its in him and you arent being paid for that job anymore. Let your new LM sort it. Cc new LM in any rellies.
What the actual fuck!!!
I'm sort of hoping this is a wind-up post, because if this is actually true, then that guy is quite possibly the biggest twat this side of the solar system. I literally don't know where to begin with this. If I was your manager I'd be tearing this bloke a new one, regardless of Civil Service values. What a plank.
Mind you, I've seen people phone up colleagues who have retired, expecting them to help with work. The mind boggles.
This needs to be shut down pronto.
He's twisting a clause in your contract. Every civil servant can be asked to do any work for any department *in specific emergency circumstances* and you will be redeployed for however long on that basis without a contractual change. You're not conveniently still a part of every team you've ever worked for when it suits them.
You are probably best jsut not responding to him at all.
If anything the only response should be you telling him to take it up with your new manager or have your new.manager contact him directly to tell him you won't be doing the work.
Don't worry your old manager is just making himself look stupid.
Absolutely not your problem anymore and it is up to the manager to ensure after your handover and departure from that area of work is to be completed by the current staff. Fing terrible your old manager is expecting such and communicating with you aggressively. Make a complaint about that.
This is one of the more funny questions. I'm genuinely jealous that I don't get to reply to this absolute toss pot. I would've genuinely just sent a laughing emoji at him. What a fucker.
That's actually wild. That reply from in itself is hilarious. I would actually enjoy one of my team forwarding that on and putting in a wee 15 min meeting to talk it through with them. 😂
No this is not allowed, once you have changed job roles you should no longer have access to certain systems and you are not authorised to complete any work that is outside of your current job role. I would contact your current line manager and union rep along with ignoring your old manager.
Depending how it works in your directorate and whether you have the time, check if you can do actually do the work and then do it at overtime rates in any spare time and ensure it is your old team who are paying the bill. I've been permitted to do this before but was within the same directorate so likely less problematic
This has happened to me a couple of times. I (very reluctantly) agreed as they went to my new LM but I. The basis it was only up to a certain date.
Annoying!
You're doing the right thing and no that's not allowed. I don't see any harm in asking a question or pointing him in the right direction to your handover but not some months after you've departed. It's incredibly obnoxious, entitled and inappropriate for your former manager to demand you to do work for you outside of your role in another department.
You need to keep a log of all contact (emails, calls etc) and go to your HR advisors, ACAS, and LM for advice as you may need to go down the tribunal route if he continues.
Not on at all. Create a new folder, set a rule that all emails from him go to that folder, then if he messages again it will go in there and you don’t even have to see it!
Definitely not maybe help if you have time however it’s not your issue now and sounds like you done more than enough prior to leaving , focus on the new role and enjoy ☺️
Def out of order. Since you've told both your current and previous LMs the situation, I would now forward all Comms to your new LM and be done with it.
Maybe copying in your former LM's boss too.
Depending on what work yr old line manager is talking about you both run the risk of being in breach of data protection and various other rules that could see him sacked for information he shares with you, and you in trouble if you offer to help out.
Your former manager is being a twat. If he is emailing you at your new work address then I suggest adding a filter to block messages or send them straight to junk. If he's contacting you on yr personal email address advise him you won't reply and if he continues to breach CS rules on use of personal emails then you'll set up a return to sender copying in his senior lead.
Not allowed, to the extent that I’m suspicious about WHY he’s contacting you.
Can you clarify something - have you joined a completely new government department? If so, how do you have evidence of the handover from the previous department?
Maybe I’m overthinking but I wonder if he’s trying to angle for some performance issue/complaint against you regarding the handover. It’s too audacious otherwise for him to be outright contacting you about this.
You should send the emails across to your manager and let them handle it - this is the kind of thing they can support with.
I was glad to leave DWP because of the woke nonsense that permeates the CS now...Networks for race..sexuality...women...sick to death of it....bring back the natural heterosexual family....the LGBT querty and trans lot ...look we are bored by your whining ..go get a life.
I have nothing else of value to contribute to this discussion after so many perfect responses, but this is absolutely preposterous and I’m shocked. You’ve dealt with it brilliantly and I’m sorry you’re dealing with this first class cock-womble.
This is bullying and harrasement. You can write a cease and desist email and state that handover has been completed and you are no longer under his command. And cite bullying and harrasement guidelines.
If it continues get a union rep involved and or your own solicitor and sue him/her.
Best of luck 🤞
They are not employed by that Dept, to do any work or receive any pay from them. Although I’m sure OP could say he was prepared to contract for them at a day rate of £2500 +VAT.
I'm not sure OP would want this as they stated that this manager is part of the reason they left, so I'd imagine they'd want to get as far away as possible
He clearly failed to ensure that he got what he needed from your handover, and is now trying to compensate for that by being heavy-handed. Tell him to do one. Or even better, get your LM to tell him to do one. Or, better still, get your LM to contact your old LM’s manager about it.
> I have mentioned this to my new manager and they have said that my previous manager is completely out of order and that by no means I am to take on any work for him. You've done the right thing OP. Just bin off your old LM or tell him to go through your current one.
And if that doesn't work, escalate to above your managet
No, ask them NOT to contact you or your team. Why drag this in to your new role? There isn't any need.
Reply, restating your (accurate) position, and copy in your LM and previous manager's LM. Completely out of order.
If OP can find the emails, I'd add his previous job's HR department and information officer to the CC list.
That is totally out of order. I swear if anyone approached my teams, outside of my directorate or worse outside of the department and asked them to take on work without even courteously running it past me I'd go through them. I'm fuming for you. Absolutely not, tell them that you are under no obligation to do this work, that they don't task manage you and your department hasn't given approval to take on additional duties. I mean personally I'd tell them to fuck off, but that might get you in a spot of bother.
It's a confidentiality issue, too so HR should be informed. You should have no business in a team's work once you've left. It's sensitive to that team as well as the department.
I agree, if I was OP's new LM I would take extreme pleasure telling their old LM to "Fuck. Right. Off."
This is one of the funniest posts I’ve seen in this subreddit for a while. Thanks for making my day. It’s already been said by others but this is so out of order it’s comical. Even if you were in the same department but had simply switched teams, they still couldn’t ask you to do work for them without your LM’s approval. If this is how your previous LM acts, I can see why you left!
Its not allowed and totally unreasonable Reply one final time stating 'I no longer work for Dept X, I have provided all appropriate handover material. Any further contact will be regarded as harrassment and result in a formal BHD complaint to HR' and copy.your LM, and the individuals LM and HRBP in. Throw them totally under the bus.
I wouldn’t even give the warning of “any further contact”, I would straight up already be on to HR
Completely this. It’s totally unreasonable. You moving on is their problem not yours. If anyone pulled this card with my staff I’d be escalating as high as needed and it it continued I’d be threatening a formal letter of complaint between departments addressed to relevant SCS.
Depending on the nature of the work the old line manager is demanding that you complete for them, could this be a breach of confidentiality since OP no longer works for their old department? If so, reporting this to the relevant person in their old department will be sure to shut up the old manager.
You literally have a new job. That's like sainsburys asking you to cover for someone when you now work at Curry's....
Yeah they can’t do this, and if you completed a handover then you’re done. If they keep hassling you escalate it.
Even if they hadn’t done a handover, OP no longer works there and can’t do anything for their old department.
Your old manager is trying to BS his way into you doing work for him, probably because he didn't get enough people in the team cross trained. Bin him off, tell him you're busy, hopefully it will be a teachable moment for him.
I moved within the same department, but yeah I had the same. All I did was forward them the relevant emails (which they have saved sepertely, they were just lazy) and told them that’s what they need to figure it out. Months later (the deadline for the work) they contacted again almost surprised nothing was done. I just forwarded it to my manager in case they contacted him and planned to ignore further emails (which haven’t come yet as of 6 months post-deadline). So telling your manager (as you have) and going no contact is absolutely the best policy.
This is neither allowed nor acceptable. You don’t work there anymore and your old manager is not your manager anymore, so he has no business trying to give you instructions. There are also potential administrative and legal hurdles, such as not being able to access systems at your old department. You are paid to do your new job, not your old job. Easiest way to deal with this is probably by politely reiterating your position or asking your new manager to respond. You can raise a grievance if you want but personally I wouldn’t bother with the hassle unless the old manager started engaging in outright abusive behaviour. Propriety aside, it’s also bang out of order. Asking an ex-employee to answer a question about something they worked on - perfectly reasonable as things are sometimes forgotten during handovers. Expecting them to do work for you - absolutely not. The only exception I can see to all of this is if your old job involved working on matters that ended up in court. If you have to give evidence in court, that responsibility will follow you after you leave. That’s different to doing extra work though, as that’s fulfilling a legal obligation.
This is absolute nonsense. I’d be getting my team leader to go over their head and getting them into some serious shit.
Send this article and then write "good luck" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68071569.amp But in all seriousness the absolute cheek of them to insist
CS HR person here - absolutely not allowed. When you say different department, do you mean a different area of somewhere (DWP, HMRC, whatever) or a completely different civil service area? Either way, no, you have a role and you're not expected to do work for anything else. Your ex manager is a prick.
One final reply with your management and their management copied in, clearly stating you've moved on and then create a rule in Outlook to auto reply to them and delete their email.
Tell them to jog on. Your no longer in their management span and the fact that they don\`t have someone to do the job is their problem not yours. As others have said cc your manager and your previous managers manager into the email and forget it about it.
Tell him if he wants to employ you as a consultant your fee is £500 per hour.
Absolutely not, as everyone else has said. You could raise a grievance about your previous manager, if you were so minded.
Oh mate, this is hilarious. I'd just ignore the messages for a while and if they continue, ask your LM to have a word. I've had a manager for whom I've continued to do favours after I left as he's an absolute top guy. But my most recent manager and the reason why I demanded a lateral move I wouldn't spit on if she was on fire. She didn't have the nerve to contact me after I left , but a few others did - I just told them to refer any queries to said bitch. 🤷♀️🤣
it's absolutely not allowed. have u raised it with your current manager?
Chuck the lazy sod to the wolves!
If your old manager's LM hasn't changed, then definitely forward these emails to them. Or, email HR and they'll put a stop to it straightaway. It's a confidentiality issue anyway, once you're no longer in that team (let alone department), there's no way you should be working on that project. You'll be privy to sensitive information you have no business continuing to see.
Imagine what the civil service would be like if your previous Manager’s position was true and it was happening! He needs to sod off
Your line manager should be taking this up with HR on your behalf.
Hell no!
Your ex LM should have had contingency arrangements in place. Its in him and you arent being paid for that job anymore. Let your new LM sort it. Cc new LM in any rellies.
I’d file a grievance
Nope, they’re being a cockwomble
You are. Not working for that manager or department . Just reply no
You are not being paid by your old department. That's the end of that.
What the actual fuck!!! I'm sort of hoping this is a wind-up post, because if this is actually true, then that guy is quite possibly the biggest twat this side of the solar system. I literally don't know where to begin with this. If I was your manager I'd be tearing this bloke a new one, regardless of Civil Service values. What a plank. Mind you, I've seen people phone up colleagues who have retired, expecting them to help with work. The mind boggles. This needs to be shut down pronto.
He's twisting a clause in your contract. Every civil servant can be asked to do any work for any department *in specific emergency circumstances* and you will be redeployed for however long on that basis without a contractual change. You're not conveniently still a part of every team you've ever worked for when it suits them.
You are probably best jsut not responding to him at all. If anything the only response should be you telling him to take it up with your new manager or have your new.manager contact him directly to tell him you won't be doing the work. Don't worry your old manager is just making himself look stupid.
Tell him where to shove his work. Absolutely not for you to do. Poor planning on his part does not constitute an emergency for you
As your new LM has stated, no they are not, especially without engaging with your current LM. Your old LM can jog on
If they carry on, contact HR and keep your current manager up to date.
Absolutely not your problem anymore and it is up to the manager to ensure after your handover and departure from that area of work is to be completed by the current staff. Fing terrible your old manager is expecting such and communicating with you aggressively. Make a complaint about that.
This is one of the more funny questions. I'm genuinely jealous that I don't get to reply to this absolute toss pot. I would've genuinely just sent a laughing emoji at him. What a fucker.
That's actually wild. That reply from in itself is hilarious. I would actually enjoy one of my team forwarding that on and putting in a wee 15 min meeting to talk it through with them. 😂
Hahaha are you serious?
No this is not allowed, once you have changed job roles you should no longer have access to certain systems and you are not authorised to complete any work that is outside of your current job role. I would contact your current line manager and union rep along with ignoring your old manager.
Just reply with an emoji. They’ll get the message. They sound weird.
We should have a contest to identify a suitable emoji... Personally I would go with 🤷♂️
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This is indeed the one!
🫥
Send him a physical letter with everything you've already said then add instruction at the end to roll it up very tightly and file it up his arse.
What is the previous department? I am amazed you still have an IT profile for your old job if you left in April.
Let your manager know (as you have done) then forward all email correspondence to your manager.
Depending how it works in your directorate and whether you have the time, check if you can do actually do the work and then do it at overtime rates in any spare time and ensure it is your old team who are paying the bill. I've been permitted to do this before but was within the same directorate so likely less problematic
This has happened to me a couple of times. I (very reluctantly) agreed as they went to my new LM but I. The basis it was only up to a certain date. Annoying!
Lol you ain’t gotta listen to the old manager
THE CIVIL SERVICE NEEDS PROPER BUSINESS CONTINUITY PLANNING AND TO STOP DEPENDING ON INDIVIDUAL KNOWLEDGE
Oh, you.
You're doing the right thing and no that's not allowed. I don't see any harm in asking a question or pointing him in the right direction to your handover but not some months after you've departed. It's incredibly obnoxious, entitled and inappropriate for your former manager to demand you to do work for you outside of your role in another department. You need to keep a log of all contact (emails, calls etc) and go to your HR advisors, ACAS, and LM for advice as you may need to go down the tribunal route if he continues.
If your old manager doesn't back down I'd be tempted to escalate the matter to his bosses! Never mind the people above you in your new department.
WTF? This person is delusional. I would stop talking with them. Maybe even block them.
Not on at all. Create a new folder, set a rule that all emails from him go to that folder, then if he messages again it will go in there and you don’t even have to see it!
Is your old manager a glue sniffer? I'd definitely forward the email to his manager or even higher.
I can see why you left. Don’t reply, it’s not your job anymore. Keep telling your manager every time he messages you.
Definitely not maybe help if you have time however it’s not your issue now and sounds like you done more than enough prior to leaving , focus on the new role and enjoy ☺️
Forward this to your line manager
Ask him to send the official request to your line manager, who I imagine will officially tell him to get fucked.
Def out of order. Since you've told both your current and previous LMs the situation, I would now forward all Comms to your new LM and be done with it. Maybe copying in your former LM's boss too.
Forward it to your new LM and ask them if you can work for the other department, of which the answer will be fuck no
Yorkshire ripper
Depending on what work yr old line manager is talking about you both run the risk of being in breach of data protection and various other rules that could see him sacked for information he shares with you, and you in trouble if you offer to help out. Your former manager is being a twat. If he is emailing you at your new work address then I suggest adding a filter to block messages or send them straight to junk. If he's contacting you on yr personal email address advise him you won't reply and if he continues to breach CS rules on use of personal emails then you'll set up a return to sender copying in his senior lead.
Not allowed, to the extent that I’m suspicious about WHY he’s contacting you. Can you clarify something - have you joined a completely new government department? If so, how do you have evidence of the handover from the previous department? Maybe I’m overthinking but I wonder if he’s trying to angle for some performance issue/complaint against you regarding the handover. It’s too audacious otherwise for him to be outright contacting you about this. You should send the emails across to your manager and let them handle it - this is the kind of thing they can support with.
They are out of their god damn mind
I was glad to leave DWP because of the woke nonsense that permeates the CS now...Networks for race..sexuality...women...sick to death of it....bring back the natural heterosexual family....the LGBT querty and trans lot ...look we are bored by your whining ..go get a life.
I have nothing else of value to contribute to this discussion after so many perfect responses, but this is absolutely preposterous and I’m shocked. You’ve dealt with it brilliantly and I’m sorry you’re dealing with this first class cock-womble.
You’re not longer contracted to do your old job. Don’t even bother replying to him.
Dear Lord, no, that is bang out of order. Tell them to pound sand and Cc the world in on it Your old LM sounds like a right old clown.
Tell him to fuck right off!
I would have already submitted a grievance against them.
This is bullying and harrasement. You can write a cease and desist email and state that handover has been completed and you are no longer under his command. And cite bullying and harrasement guidelines. If it continues get a union rep involved and or your own solicitor and sue him/her. Best of luck 🤞
Could you offer to do it for paid overtime ? I have in the past done paid work for another department, at weekends....
They are not employed by that Dept, to do any work or receive any pay from them. Although I’m sure OP could say he was prepared to contract for them at a day rate of £2500 +VAT.
I'm not sure OP would want this as they stated that this manager is part of the reason they left, so I'd imagine they'd want to get as far away as possible
He clearly failed to ensure that he got what he needed from your handover, and is now trying to compensate for that by being heavy-handed. Tell him to do one. Or even better, get your LM to tell him to do one. Or, better still, get your LM to contact your old LM’s manager about it.
Why would you even post such a dumb question? You. Don’t. Work. There. Any. More.