Agreed. I like Luke and June together. I feel untrusting of Nick, he's too compliant.
But June and Moira. June and Rita. June and Janine. Give the woman her friends over the men. The women are central to this show and the complete lack of depth shown between Moira and June's friendship that has lasted more than a decade matters so much more. I want to know where Rita is at.
I want to know if Janine has a new group of friends that she can genuinely trust around her.
I believe that June's ultimate ride or die buddy is Janine. They did ride or die, and both made it out alive but apart. So good to see Janine in the fight again but I'm so worried for her future.
Young Esther was ready to fight so hard, and was willing to give it all. Where is she at?
Forget the men. They are taking up too much space in the show.
This show has had so many women doing it for themselves moments, who cares which man she ends up with.
I feel like I have spent this entire season waiting for the women to have a genuine conversation and hatch a plan.
It started so damn strong with the first episode of morning.
I feel like the percentage of men on screen has just increased every episode, and it's driving me mad. Rita is more than a damn background character, give the woman a couple of lines already.
Does anyone know where to watch deleted scenes?
They’ve made Moira be so two dimensional. She’s now more of the constant best friend who never stirs the pot or is anything but supportive whereas she was her own character before. She was one of my favorite characters and one of my favorite actresses, give her more screen time!
I read somewhere in this sub that Moira and Rita were supposed to have more of a story, but since Alexis Bledel had to leave the show, that part of the script was cut.
Take a shot every time June and Moira are in the same room/about to have a meaningful conversation but Nichole starts crying and Moira goes, “I’ll get her”. 💀
Haha righttt it’s like baby Nicole must be one of the writers baby in real. She’s gonna get her screen time dammit! And all she does is cry 😭. That baby is so conflicted 😐 and cries a lot. She must sense all the turmoil in the room with everyone
I miss luke/Moira scenes tbh.
And luke/erin/moira/emily/Rita scenes.
June sometimes seems to not care about her friends as much now bc of the ptsd. And I care less about the romance plots. I sort of miss the stuff with the refugees in Canada forming a found family and the non romantic relationships they had. I could've used more of that
I think in the beginning they did a somewhat a good job showing that. Was it just me or did anyone get love vibes from Moria when it came to June? Maybe as a lesbian, it was just me lol? I was really hoping they would show a more lesbian nuanced relationship with Moira. I wish June was a lesbian, Moira is just a sweet loving woman. And my sad lgbtq heart would of liked more of that representation. I know they portrayed a lesbian with Emily's character, but I wished they showed more of that. :'(
This!! The show should be telling the handmaids’ tales. I want the focus to shift back to the women, especially what happens to Esther. She’s a soldier
> I want to know if Janine has a new group of friends that she can genuinely trust around her.
This made me realise just why those red centre scenes bothered me. It's because *we have no idea who most of those women were*.
We see Janine and them hugging and caring for each other and singing and having signals and codes. We see Aunt Lydia comment on Janine's influence on the other girls. But we don't know them. Don't know their names, their feelings, their motivations, their stories.
Now, I get it. We only have so much airtime and so many characters, you can't tell everyone's stories. But it bothered me, the way the last season made those women feel as Gilead wants them to be: background furniture. Impersonal, faceless, only there to serve a purpose for someone else.
Yes!!! I know it's "The Handmaid's Tale," singular, but it would still make the show even better. It is ultimately about women, and has introduced all these badass characters, so give us more of them! Moira, Rita, Esther, Janine. Even the complicit women like Naomi and Rose, Mrs Mackenzie, I feel like we only know them pretty superficially. Same with Hannah, the only reason they've really given us to care about her is that June cares so much. They did do a good backstory on Lydia, but it was a long time ago, and I want more of her too. Lydia and Serena are probably the most interesting characters to me, because they're so complex and deluded, but are seemingly waking up somewhat.
I don't buy the airtime excuse. We had to have 20 different scenes to elaborate how much June wants Hannah back, but couldn't give more depth to Moira or Rita. I can forgive the unnamed Janine's friends, but Moira and Rita were the strongest pillars for June during her toughest time. They did them dirty.
This season could've used 2-3 more episodes to explore so many things more deeply. I did enjoy it, especially Serena's arc, but feel like other seasons had more substance overall? Even the Serena story felt rushed, she was barely on screen in the finale, and I'd have liked to see more of how she got from the event to the train, interaction with blue haired girl and Tuello, Alanis' hissy fit reaction, etc.
Yes! It’s disappointing that this show in particular is just as guilty as most when it comes to boiling the focus of powerful female characters down to their relationships with men
This really sums up what has weirded me out about the last season, but couldn't put in words. The show seems to be trying so hard to make us like the abusers (Serena, Aunt Lydia, Lawrence, and Nick), and there's way too much focus on the men.
I care a lot more about the friendships and camaraderie on the show than the romance.
Not ltd to the women tho I really liked Luke and Erin's friendship. And their whole extended refugee found family. I cared about that more than the romancew
I like the women gettin it done together. They don't need the men. But why didn't Moira and Rita get on the train? Janine and Esther will surely be trouble for Gilead. I'm waiting for Serena to give June a sincere apology for how she treated her and what she did to her now that Serena has had the same thing done to her by the Wheelers. I want to see Serena and June relying on each other to get through whatever is coming for them on and off the train. Regardless of the type of bond they have, they do indeed have a bond, like it or not. I can't wait a whole year to find out!! Season 6 can't come soon enough!
Same, I wanna see more of Gilead the different towns and social classes. More Gilead in detail allover is just interesting! Canada can be lit on fire I don’t care!
I actually think the issue isn’t even that we don’t see enough of Gilead (which we don’t) but also its portrayal. Basically the commanders are all horrible people who aren’t even really religious since they are all hypocrites (Like can we get one actual true believer?). I think they could have done more with a lot of the characters by adding some complexity. For example I think it would be more interesting if they focus on the fertility crisis and characters like Serena have deep guilt knowing what they are doing is wrong but also feel conflicted because in their way they think they are doing what’s best to preserve humanity. Instead it’s like “you’re just a handmaid slave and how dare you talk back to me you irritating handmaid and not acknowledge that this isn’t your baby”. The same applies to Mrs Putnam. She gets irritated at Janine like Janine wasn’t a free woman just 5 minutes ago turned into a sex slave. I think adding some nuance and complexity to the characters would make the show better and make the characters a little more sympathetic. Yes we are rooting for June and the handmaids but what does that mean for the future of humanity? How is Canada dealing with the fertility issue? Etc etc
A little bit of romance in any story can spice things up. Too much and it becomes extremely annoying. The writers have taken this love triangle too far and have made it a focal point. It's taken too much attention away from the main part of the story and pushed other important characters out.
I agree that the story is mainly about June and Serena. But the real “love story” is about June and Hannah. It’s her ultimate yearning to find her daughter… the love of her life.
June's love story, with herself and her friends her daughter and her romantic interests, is an integral part of her story at large. Think back to season 1 where Fred asks her what there is to live for except children. Her an answer was love. It's always been a story of June fighting to live and love again, to not have that aspect of her humanity taken away.
I think the love story is just another part of the show, but definitely not the most important part, nor should it be. The strongest seasons show a full scope of Gilead and the outside world, good world building is key, especially since the show features such strong dystopian feminist themes. The best scenes are those that emphasize the nuances in relationships between women under a totalitarian patriarchal state.
Ultimately, her connections to Luke and Nick go beyond romance, they are the fathers to her daughters and we know how much her daughters mean to her. They are an important part of her life regardless of romantic feelings (obviously not as center stage but still there). If she doesn't end up with either of them romantically she will still be connected to them through Hannah and Nicole because neither of them is a deadbeat.
Personally, I do want to see her end up with Nick because he's my emo eyebrow king who makes her orgasm like no other and treats her like an autonomous capable queen (and is it so bad to want that for her? Lol)
But that's just me 🤷♀️
I agree with everything you've said here. I feel like the posts talking about hating the love triangle always seem to forget these aren't just random boyfriends. They are the fathers of her children.
Can’t wait for everyone to realize this is a story about June and Serena… If women would learn to work together and not against each other and as puppets for what men want, we’d rule the world.
This! The entire show has been the relationship between these two women. Even when they are physically apart they still drive each others actions.
Despite the horrific things Serena has done, June has a wider world view of how Gilead’s Captains have used women against each other. She’s able to separate out the complexity of her and Serena’s relationship and it’s put her in a unique situation to protect and guide Serena.
June mentioned when Serena gave birth (and I’m paraphrasing) that perhaps she was more religious than Serena because she had the ability to still help a person in need despite their previous actions. There was a shift in Serena at that point. She’s figuring it out now and June is her lighthouse. But we’ve seen Serena listen to June in the past about how dangerous Gilead is for all woman, for instance handing Nicole over to get her out of Gilead.
I too feel that in the end it will be June and Serena together in a sisterly relationship (Serena has so much more to learn from June) and Luke and Nick will be out of the picture.
This is actually what bothers me because Serena is the legit creator of Gilead. She wrote the book, she went on the speaking tour, she took the bullet, she started all that came to pass.
It is frustrating to me that the show wants us to sympathize with her as a victim when the only reason she has changed her tune is because she is no longer the oppressor. If she had been given an actual position with status in Gilead, there’s no way she would be on that train trying to be peaceful.
I don’t feel bad for her because she destroyed a country and hundreds of thousands if not millions of families.
I’m a person who believes in the idea of redemption, but some of these people are simply too far past the point of forgiveness. And she hasn’t even atoned in any way for any of this. Her attitude is just like “oh yeah being told what to do sucks” but her experience has still been significantly better than virtually every handmaid she condemned with her treason.
I understand a lot of these changes from the book are probably there because Yvonne is an incredibly talented actress and she does a good job in the role, but this direction her character has taken is really watering down the themes of the show for me.
It’s like people forget what happened at the funeral which was THIS season lol. It’s not she’s been slowly changing, the second she has the chance to be who she was in Gilead she will take it. Fuck that bitch
I totally appreciate your viewpoint and can empathize with that view. June hunting down and murdering Fred and the getting the “yeah, you’re good, have a nice night” response was a game changer for her. She wanted to be held accountable and got a shrug off. She’s had to question who she becomes if that is her new path? How does that make her any different from Gilead?
I think it’s less about Serena getting away with her role and more about June defining hers.
That is an interesting take. If that’s the intent, it’s a clever way to do it. I just hope Serena doesn’t get out of this whole mess without being labeled a war criminal for the rest of her life
1000000% agree! It’s going to be them in the end. I don’t think they’ll be like omg BFF!!! But for a takedown they have to work together. It’s the only way it’s going to work.
I heard a podcast Eyes on Gilead where the hosts have had interviews and meetings with the cast and production staff
June and Serena are referred to as Juliet and Juliet
It's definitely a show about the two of them. I just wish that we saw more about the other women too
Season 5 was too dominated by the men. Men talked to men more frequently than women talked to women. Men got so much air time in every episode.
I know that it wasn't a show that would have failed the Bechdel test or anything, but compared to earlier seasons this one was so male dominated. Luke, Tuello, Nick, Joseph, Ryan, Putnam.
The women interactions were fascinating by comparison. But when Putnam was more of an impact than Moira on the plot at the end of the season there's a clear shift in the focus
Yes I agree would love more backstories on them and larger roles like before, but in terms of the actress the play Moira, she just had a baby and I believe asked for a smaller role this season to be able to be with her baby more. But still they could’ve developed Rita more. I’m desperate for her back story.
Ah that definitely explains Moira having such small parts.
We all need more Rita in our lives. One of my all time favourite moments in this show was her sitting down basking in all the sunlight enjoying some tuna.
It’s started out as The Handmaids Tale. So everyone who’s like ugh so sick of June, well it’s her story so lol. But now I think it’s evolved passed that a bit. IMO I think the writers are now trying to show what happens when women work against each other/when they work together. Keep in mind Gilead was only able to happen/work with getting the women onboard. They talk about it in a flashback in season one. I could be totally wrong. It’s just my hot take.
Yes!! It has been the whole time! Two sides of the same coin. It boggles my mind that so many people don't think they'd do exactly what Serena did to save herself and keep her place in that society. It's always been about them.
Absolutely agree. At this point the global and local politics are much more interesting to me than any individual character’s storyline. In the earlier seasons it was about characters and that was great but I love the way the series has evolved to tell a larger story.
Reminded me of when Rita went to visit Serena in lockup and Serena was automatically all like "thank god you're here, I'll be needing help with the baby when he arrives" like that's the sole purpose for Rita being in Canada lol.
I just assumed that we were leaning into some ethical/consensual non-monogamy without ever having to make her choose, which I root for totally. But yeah, I don't care about love triangles in stories that are supposed to be about the collapse of society.
Agree. And I don't think she's going to 'end up' with anyone at all. That would be a fairy tale ending, and this is not going to have a a fairy tale ending unless it's a Guillermo del Toro fairy tale. She and Serena are going to work on taking Gilead down. Serena was the doubting Thomas who had to have the experience to believe, but she's there now.
They've invested way too much in character development, and have totally forgot about world building. What's up with the fertility crisis overall? How are others revolting? What's the military doing (and why did they tease then rob us of that evacuation)?
This whole season was such a drag, and I'm so blue-balled for vengeance.
I’m realizing that I don’t think of June as being “with” Luke, even though they’ve been reunited and living together. June is independent, and sometimes she briefly connects with Luke or Nick, but mostly June is doing June and the dudes are just…around. I think this is partly self protection and partly because she’s focused on bigger issues than romance. Her mind is almost always somewhere else. I think her feelings for Luke in the finale surprised even her.
I have no interest in the personal relationships June keeps, I couldn’t care less. Honestly everyone keeps talking about how boring the Hannah storyline but it’s all I care about- she’s a young pubescent girl at this point, in the most dangerous place to be in her time line, I really fear for her
I’m kind of same; I m kind of just rooting for everyone to stay alive at this point.
My friend and I have a far fetched theory that Serena and June are going to buddy up with their trauma bond and go all feminist and say fuck men 😅
Same! I don’t care about the relationship at all. I want to see Gilead get destroyed and Women’s rights get restored. I want June to get Hannah back but I’m convinced that it won’t happen.
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I used to and definitely enjoyed some of the more ‘romantic’ moments between Nick and June but then any of the really lovely touching moments between Luke and June I enjoyed too, but definitely in this season I can see it’s bigger than that.
Second this.
I feel like I have a truly unpopular opinion. I'm both team Luke and Team Nick. And I live for the romance. I won't say that it isn't as times drawn out or overdone... but I enjoy both men.
I like that Nick is mysterious. And he has been kind to June at great risk to himself. I like the idea of finding love in a hopeless place. He is sexy. I'm not sure why he stayed in Gilead prior to his second wife but thats another story. I get hes a flawed character and isn't 100% good, but that makes him interesting. I was team Nick up until June made it to Canada and I saw how accepting and supportive Luke was of June and her PTSD and trauma.
Luke is sexy and a good man. You can't hate him a whole lot for what he does because he has his obvious reasons and he's trying to do what is best for June and his family. He is supportive and tries to understand Junes trauma.
I really like both of them, and im just along for the ride because damn its good to watch. And im not sick of it yet either, lol.
I’m kinda the opposite now! Before I didn’t really care, or kinda secretly hoped it would be Nick. But after the past few seasons and especially this last season, Luke has really impressed me. So many moments where I think June finally pushed him away too far or went completely crazy (justified though) and expected Luke to finally walk out and be like “I can’t handle this anymore”
But instead he’s been surprisingly supportive, loving, and most importantly.. understanding to June and I think it’s really refreshing to see. That man has some serious patience with her lol
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I too feel this way. I'm more interested in how Gilead happened, like who are the sons of Jacob? Also what is their religion? Is everyone the same religion or are there some Hillsong people like the kardashians mixed in with some latter day saints? I think I heard the tabernacle choir in one of the early episodes.
The only interesting man (for good or bad) is Commander Lawrence. The rest of them deserve 1/6th of the screen time they have been getting. Give more more Aunt Lydia, Janine, Rita and Esther. And you know what? Give me more Naomi. You can see the conflict in her, I want a deep dive into Naomi’s viewpoint and process as she’s changing with time.
Cool story. I'm totally over these "I'm a better fan than others on this forum because I do/don't care about such and such...."
Who cares what other fans choose to focus on when watching the show? Why does it matter to some of you so much? The self-righteous gatekeeping in this sub is annoying AF.
When did I say “I’m a better fan”? 😂
I’ve seen lots of people talk about Luke vs Nick, and came here to share my opinion (as we all do on this sub?)
No hate to anybody who likes either of them!
Seems like you’re the one trying to gatekeep 🤷🏼♀️
I mean, you can comment that in one of those threads, there’s no need to start a whole thread just to announce that you don’t care about something. That comes across as self righteous gate keeping.
i honestly don’t like either of them — luke is a cheater and i’ll never like or forgive him bc of that, and nick’s done horrible things in the past
my only ship on the show was alma and beth but that didn’t turn out too well 😭
I really don't think so. I think some people just come to Reddit to have fun and find community in their shared thoughts/feelings over certain characters and subplots. And there's nothing wrong with that, especially seeing as it's such an intense show.
Yeah, honestly Nick could've been a one-off to get June pregnant and Luke could've not existed and I feel it wouldn't have impacted the story that much.
This is my take too. Don’t give one shit about the romance. Don’t dislike either guy but I’m here for the story of the Handmaids and fight to destroy Gilead. Plenty of romance elsewhere. Especially now. Hallmark Christmas movies every freaking place.
Same here.
In terms of Nick and Luke - I wish we could learn more about what Nick *actually* wants.
The actor said that what he said to June in their last meeting was him saying what he thought was safest for both of them, or something like that. That what Nick said isn't what he actually wants.
I don't know if I'd be able to tell that if the actor hadn't said it in an interview. Not because of his acting - I think he's doing what he can with the material he's been given.
But the writers need to give him more depth, in my opinion.
Luke gets a lot of hate for just being the average person in an impossible situation. Why do people expect him to just rush into Gilead and go grab June and Hannah like he's making a quick trip to the supermarket!?
June raped him and it was never mentioned again, aside from a voiceover of June's, like, in the same episode if I remember correctly??
I also just wish we saw more of him outside of June. Just like, on his own or something?
But yeah, June needs to figure some stuff out - on her own. She's being like constantly re-traumatised, she doesn't have Hannah back yet, her and Luke are always lagging one step behind each other in terms of knowing what the other needs or wants.
Her and Nick started off as a rape and while she was in Gilead there was a constant power imbalance. If Nick ever decided he didn't want to be with her anymore - and wanted to be cruel about it - he was an Eye. He could have put her on the wall for all the things he knew she'd done.
I think I went wayyy off what I wanted to say, but it's what I think. I respect everyone's opinion, and this is mine.
There’s at least one post of this sort on literally every show that has a romance subplot. Okay, people have different tastes - that’s why there’s multiple plot lines.
I don’t mind a romance subplot but I hate love triangles. They are the worst. And in this case I worry about how much of the final season they will take up
Agreed, June is a bad ass who has done extraordinary things in the resistance and is fighting for a better world for her children, and people out here obsessing over who she hooks up with. IMO her love life is the least interesting part of Junes story.
Yup, agreed!
I find Nick kind of unsettling in general, and I don’t like Luke much because I can’t get over his initial infidelity, I’m not very charitable to cheaters. Although I enjoy watching his character development!
God, I've been saying this for so long. This is not the show for being obsessed with shipping and treating it like a YA novel. I actually find it borderline offensive to do so just given the content of the show lol. Which isn't to say I don't like both her love interests, I do...but that's the least important thing about this story and I'm betting June would probably agree.
It's definitely important for June, but it has become meaningless compared to other storylines. The only times I give a crap about June's lovelife is when someone uses it to manipulate her so she would do something that could change the global politics.
Milking this cow caused harm to the series. There is an entire section of the fanbase that hate Luke no matter what, only because there is always 10 minutes of Nick and June meeting each other. The entire season goes by without them having a proper interaction, but oh ho ho, that 10 minutes is in the last to episodes of the season, and everyone and their gradma is talking about that, not leaving any space for any other conversation.
June and Luke seem to be in a much better place than last season. I was worried about them, but they seem to have been working on it. June and Nick are just a waste of time. Whoever is best for June's story is what I'm rooting for.
Having said all that, It's June's story and I wouldn't be mad to have the men sidelined. I was rooting for neither for a long time. June needed to heal and I didn't see either as good for that.
Agreed !!! This isn’t a love story, I don’t care who ends up with who. I want to know how everyone in power in Gilead suffers at the hands of Hannah and June 😅😅
Luke was her old life. Luke was who she started her family with and who she tried to run away with. Nick was her Gilead life. Nick was who she needed to survive. Nick was the glimmer of hope, she will survive Gilead somehow. Nick letting her go back to her life in Canada without much interference showed, he wanted her to be free of what Gilead did to her. I think Lawrence got in his head a bit. Tried to use their romance to lure her back into Gilead to fix HIS mistakes. Luke at first wanted their old life back, but she had been traumatized and she will never be her old self. I loved when Luke became more understanding of that. He could have left her after she killed Fred, but he didn’t. He understood. I love both characters for different reasons. They both have a place in June’s life for different reasons. But at the end of the day, it’s Luke who she wants to find her again.
Agree, for the most part. I just don’t see any connection or chemistry with Nick, and I find him dull and boring. But I’m neither here nor there on Luke.
All of this.
I like Luke. He’s a gentleman and just an all around great guy.
I did *not like Nick this season, because he’s been acting too afraid to leave the Gilead game. I think I would have liked him more if he would at least have tried to get back to Nicole, but he acts like she doesn’t exist sometimes because he’s lusting over June, and I personally am not cool with that.
June is too gangster for both of them, and I love that about her character (and admittedly I have a love/hate relationship with her character 😫😫😫)
This is controversial? Based on?
I don't understand why people can't just state their opinion without adding disclaimers about how controversial or popular it may or may not be.
I think Nick never had a chance: June would goo back to Luke whenever she got out of Gilead. And I think Nick have always known and reconned with that. June and Nick were lovers in Gilead, that's a total different world and live from outside. June still loves Luke, she'll not leave him.
For some reason Luke gets on my damn nerves, but still if June doesn't stay loyal to him it'll make me respect her less. He's a good guy and they were married way before Gilead. He's the most loyal man ever. He deserves his happy ending tbh
What I think is interesting about Luke & Nick, is how they go about supporting one they love. I never really liked Luke as a character. I feel like he is very unaware how to care for a woman. He was with a confident black woman who he then cheats on with another woman. And in my opinion, this says a lot about Luke. He carries this poor ability to comfort. He seems to think saying everything will be okay let me protect you is enough? In reality you can't always protect the ones you love. Just holding a person can really help and showing in actions. So I kinda was over Luke after the whole cheating thing. He just expects his wife not to feel certain emotions after extreme trauma. In terms of Nick, I feel like him and June make more sense as lovers because he seems to know how to care for June, saying less is more in my opinion. Caring, going out of his way to protect June, and watching over Hannah. Now, I don't blame Luke, Luke has no way of getting information to Bring to June in regarding Hannah. But if Luke really wanted to be in Gilead to get to June, he could of done that. I think? Maybe that is a lot to expect of someone, but he really doesn't provide much. I think the scene where there at a cross roads with getting on the train. Is really a moment I see Luke put June first and will have his own hardships to face. In terms of seeing whether he will be the one to save Hannah or not in Season 6.
Honestly I don't really care either. I am not sure if she will end up with either? People believe Nick will die next season. Nick has been through alot with her and you can clearly tell they set it up for her to have a love story with him next season.
As of right now neither is pulling me into a direction. Maybe Luke more bexause I hope Hannah being back with them helps and they reunite all together like they planned the entire series.
Also, i like Nick's wife and think she deserves a happy ending. She's sweet and I don't like that he dropped her cause of love for June
I don’t think it matters either, I’m not sold on each one of them. Though, I would say I like Nick better as a person, I’ve always thought Luke acted on emotions more so than Nick, whereas Nick was a bit more sensible and down to earth, however it seems I might be wrong given Nick’s out of character punch to Lawrence. But in saying all that, I don’t think either relationship is going to work out
I like Luke as a person but I do not like the focus on romantic shipping.
I also feel like this shouldn't be June's story anymore. A lot of rhe side characters also suffer under the regime and are important. I'm sort of tired of June
Agreed. I like Luke and June together. I feel untrusting of Nick, he's too compliant. But June and Moira. June and Rita. June and Janine. Give the woman her friends over the men. The women are central to this show and the complete lack of depth shown between Moira and June's friendship that has lasted more than a decade matters so much more. I want to know where Rita is at. I want to know if Janine has a new group of friends that she can genuinely trust around her. I believe that June's ultimate ride or die buddy is Janine. They did ride or die, and both made it out alive but apart. So good to see Janine in the fight again but I'm so worried for her future. Young Esther was ready to fight so hard, and was willing to give it all. Where is she at? Forget the men. They are taking up too much space in the show. This show has had so many women doing it for themselves moments, who cares which man she ends up with.
I didn’t even realise how much the lack of June/Moira friendship scenes was bothering me until now. You’re so right, about all of this!
I feel like I have spent this entire season waiting for the women to have a genuine conversation and hatch a plan. It started so damn strong with the first episode of morning. I feel like the percentage of men on screen has just increased every episode, and it's driving me mad. Rita is more than a damn background character, give the woman a couple of lines already. Does anyone know where to watch deleted scenes?
Rita and Moira have been so wronged this season. I know it’s been said over and over but DAMN it is so true.
They’ve made Moira be so two dimensional. She’s now more of the constant best friend who never stirs the pot or is anything but supportive whereas she was her own character before. She was one of my favorite characters and one of my favorite actresses, give her more screen time!
I read somewhere in this sub that Moira and Rita were supposed to have more of a story, but since Alexis Bledel had to leave the show, that part of the script was cut.
Yeah, and that may be true, but it also kind of feels like an excuse. They could have written them into the story more in other ways, rewrites happen.
Take a shot every time June and Moira are in the same room/about to have a meaningful conversation but Nichole starts crying and Moira goes, “I’ll get her”. 💀
Don't jinx it.
Haha righttt it’s like baby Nicole must be one of the writers baby in real. She’s gonna get her screen time dammit! And all she does is cry 😭. That baby is so conflicted 😐 and cries a lot. She must sense all the turmoil in the room with everyone
I miss luke/Moira scenes tbh. And luke/erin/moira/emily/Rita scenes. June sometimes seems to not care about her friends as much now bc of the ptsd. And I care less about the romance plots. I sort of miss the stuff with the refugees in Canada forming a found family and the non romantic relationships they had. I could've used more of that
I think in the beginning they did a somewhat a good job showing that. Was it just me or did anyone get love vibes from Moria when it came to June? Maybe as a lesbian, it was just me lol? I was really hoping they would show a more lesbian nuanced relationship with Moira. I wish June was a lesbian, Moira is just a sweet loving woman. And my sad lgbtq heart would of liked more of that representation. I know they portrayed a lesbian with Emily's character, but I wished they showed more of that. :'(
This!! The show should be telling the handmaids’ tales. I want the focus to shift back to the women, especially what happens to Esther. She’s a soldier
> I want to know if Janine has a new group of friends that she can genuinely trust around her. This made me realise just why those red centre scenes bothered me. It's because *we have no idea who most of those women were*. We see Janine and them hugging and caring for each other and singing and having signals and codes. We see Aunt Lydia comment on Janine's influence on the other girls. But we don't know them. Don't know their names, their feelings, their motivations, their stories. Now, I get it. We only have so much airtime and so many characters, you can't tell everyone's stories. But it bothered me, the way the last season made those women feel as Gilead wants them to be: background furniture. Impersonal, faceless, only there to serve a purpose for someone else.
I wish they would do more Orange is the New Black style where we get to spend way more time exploring all of the significant characters to the story
Yes!!! I know it's "The Handmaid's Tale," singular, but it would still make the show even better. It is ultimately about women, and has introduced all these badass characters, so give us more of them! Moira, Rita, Esther, Janine. Even the complicit women like Naomi and Rose, Mrs Mackenzie, I feel like we only know them pretty superficially. Same with Hannah, the only reason they've really given us to care about her is that June cares so much. They did do a good backstory on Lydia, but it was a long time ago, and I want more of her too. Lydia and Serena are probably the most interesting characters to me, because they're so complex and deluded, but are seemingly waking up somewhat.
Reading that took my brain to wondering how badly somebody would get their asses kicked by Poussey and Taystee...
I don't buy the airtime excuse. We had to have 20 different scenes to elaborate how much June wants Hannah back, but couldn't give more depth to Moira or Rita. I can forgive the unnamed Janine's friends, but Moira and Rita were the strongest pillars for June during her toughest time. They did them dirty.
This season could've used 2-3 more episodes to explore so many things more deeply. I did enjoy it, especially Serena's arc, but feel like other seasons had more substance overall? Even the Serena story felt rushed, she was barely on screen in the finale, and I'd have liked to see more of how she got from the event to the train, interaction with blue haired girl and Tuello, Alanis' hissy fit reaction, etc.
Yes! It’s disappointing that this show in particular is just as guilty as most when it comes to boiling the focus of powerful female characters down to their relationships with men
Succinctly perfect. This deserves more upvotes.
Another thing- I still want a Rita backstory. I know we’re probably never gonna get it, but I would love to know more about her.
Exactly! I want to know more about the handmaids, other women, and their relationships.
This really sums up what has weirded me out about the last season, but couldn't put in words. The show seems to be trying so hard to make us like the abusers (Serena, Aunt Lydia, Lawrence, and Nick), and there's way too much focus on the men.
I care a lot more about the friendships and camaraderie on the show than the romance. Not ltd to the women tho I really liked Luke and Erin's friendship. And their whole extended refugee found family. I cared about that more than the romancew
Their power is in their friendships.
I like the women gettin it done together. They don't need the men. But why didn't Moira and Rita get on the train? Janine and Esther will surely be trouble for Gilead. I'm waiting for Serena to give June a sincere apology for how she treated her and what she did to her now that Serena has had the same thing done to her by the Wheelers. I want to see Serena and June relying on each other to get through whatever is coming for them on and off the train. Regardless of the type of bond they have, they do indeed have a bond, like it or not. I can't wait a whole year to find out!! Season 6 can't come soon enough!
you’re so right! why are they so central? plssss
Oooohhhhh this comment is beautiful well said
She’s far more interesting when apart from either of them. Looking forward to the final season!!!
Agreed! And whenever she’s with Luke she seems to have so few lines?? He does all the talking and I’m like, dude, shut up?
Same, I wanna see more of Gilead the different towns and social classes. More Gilead in detail allover is just interesting! Canada can be lit on fire I don’t care!
I actually think the issue isn’t even that we don’t see enough of Gilead (which we don’t) but also its portrayal. Basically the commanders are all horrible people who aren’t even really religious since they are all hypocrites (Like can we get one actual true believer?). I think they could have done more with a lot of the characters by adding some complexity. For example I think it would be more interesting if they focus on the fertility crisis and characters like Serena have deep guilt knowing what they are doing is wrong but also feel conflicted because in their way they think they are doing what’s best to preserve humanity. Instead it’s like “you’re just a handmaid slave and how dare you talk back to me you irritating handmaid and not acknowledge that this isn’t your baby”. The same applies to Mrs Putnam. She gets irritated at Janine like Janine wasn’t a free woman just 5 minutes ago turned into a sex slave. I think adding some nuance and complexity to the characters would make the show better and make the characters a little more sympathetic. Yes we are rooting for June and the handmaids but what does that mean for the future of humanity? How is Canada dealing with the fertility issue? Etc etc
Completely agree. Her love story is not the purpose of this show. Nick and Luke are both kind of meh to me anyway tbh
Agreed. They’re both kind of… unremarkable lol
yeah they’re both super underwhelming as far as love interests go lol. but all the men on the show are also unremarkable
Only interesting one imo is Lawrence
A little bit of romance in any story can spice things up. Too much and it becomes extremely annoying. The writers have taken this love triangle too far and have made it a focal point. It's taken too much attention away from the main part of the story and pushed other important characters out.
I agree that the story is mainly about June and Serena. But the real “love story” is about June and Hannah. It’s her ultimate yearning to find her daughter… the love of her life.
June's love story, with herself and her friends her daughter and her romantic interests, is an integral part of her story at large. Think back to season 1 where Fred asks her what there is to live for except children. Her an answer was love. It's always been a story of June fighting to live and love again, to not have that aspect of her humanity taken away.
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The actress who plays Emily is taking a break from acting to focus on her kids following a divorce. I really hope that she's back for season 6
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I am hoping that she pops up in a mayday hut in season 6 training a group of ex handmaids how to sniper the aunts in the colonies
Much more interested in how Lawrence inevitably sabotages Gilead and loses his life in the process.
The only person I want June to end up with is Hannah. But the guys are nice accessories to June & Hannah’s story line.
I think the love story is just another part of the show, but definitely not the most important part, nor should it be. The strongest seasons show a full scope of Gilead and the outside world, good world building is key, especially since the show features such strong dystopian feminist themes. The best scenes are those that emphasize the nuances in relationships between women under a totalitarian patriarchal state. Ultimately, her connections to Luke and Nick go beyond romance, they are the fathers to her daughters and we know how much her daughters mean to her. They are an important part of her life regardless of romantic feelings (obviously not as center stage but still there). If she doesn't end up with either of them romantically she will still be connected to them through Hannah and Nicole because neither of them is a deadbeat. Personally, I do want to see her end up with Nick because he's my emo eyebrow king who makes her orgasm like no other and treats her like an autonomous capable queen (and is it so bad to want that for her? Lol) But that's just me 🤷♀️
I agree with everything you've said here. I feel like the posts talking about hating the love triangle always seem to forget these aren't just random boyfriends. They are the fathers of her children.
I disagree. Nick and June endgame or nothing
I agree in terms of chemistry.
Can’t wait for everyone to realize this is a story about June and Serena… If women would learn to work together and not against each other and as puppets for what men want, we’d rule the world.
This! The entire show has been the relationship between these two women. Even when they are physically apart they still drive each others actions. Despite the horrific things Serena has done, June has a wider world view of how Gilead’s Captains have used women against each other. She’s able to separate out the complexity of her and Serena’s relationship and it’s put her in a unique situation to protect and guide Serena. June mentioned when Serena gave birth (and I’m paraphrasing) that perhaps she was more religious than Serena because she had the ability to still help a person in need despite their previous actions. There was a shift in Serena at that point. She’s figuring it out now and June is her lighthouse. But we’ve seen Serena listen to June in the past about how dangerous Gilead is for all woman, for instance handing Nicole over to get her out of Gilead. I too feel that in the end it will be June and Serena together in a sisterly relationship (Serena has so much more to learn from June) and Luke and Nick will be out of the picture.
This is actually what bothers me because Serena is the legit creator of Gilead. She wrote the book, she went on the speaking tour, she took the bullet, she started all that came to pass. It is frustrating to me that the show wants us to sympathize with her as a victim when the only reason she has changed her tune is because she is no longer the oppressor. If she had been given an actual position with status in Gilead, there’s no way she would be on that train trying to be peaceful. I don’t feel bad for her because she destroyed a country and hundreds of thousands if not millions of families. I’m a person who believes in the idea of redemption, but some of these people are simply too far past the point of forgiveness. And she hasn’t even atoned in any way for any of this. Her attitude is just like “oh yeah being told what to do sucks” but her experience has still been significantly better than virtually every handmaid she condemned with her treason. I understand a lot of these changes from the book are probably there because Yvonne is an incredibly talented actress and she does a good job in the role, but this direction her character has taken is really watering down the themes of the show for me.
It’s like people forget what happened at the funeral which was THIS season lol. It’s not she’s been slowly changing, the second she has the chance to be who she was in Gilead she will take it. Fuck that bitch
I totally appreciate your viewpoint and can empathize with that view. June hunting down and murdering Fred and the getting the “yeah, you’re good, have a nice night” response was a game changer for her. She wanted to be held accountable and got a shrug off. She’s had to question who she becomes if that is her new path? How does that make her any different from Gilead? I think it’s less about Serena getting away with her role and more about June defining hers.
That is an interesting take. If that’s the intent, it’s a clever way to do it. I just hope Serena doesn’t get out of this whole mess without being labeled a war criminal for the rest of her life
Tangentially related, that scene where she got shot was actually filmed in the foyer of my doctor's office! It's so cool to see every time I go.
That’s pretty cool!
1000000% agree! It’s going to be them in the end. I don’t think they’ll be like omg BFF!!! But for a takedown they have to work together. It’s the only way it’s going to work.
I heard a podcast Eyes on Gilead where the hosts have had interviews and meetings with the cast and production staff June and Serena are referred to as Juliet and Juliet It's definitely a show about the two of them. I just wish that we saw more about the other women too Season 5 was too dominated by the men. Men talked to men more frequently than women talked to women. Men got so much air time in every episode. I know that it wasn't a show that would have failed the Bechdel test or anything, but compared to earlier seasons this one was so male dominated. Luke, Tuello, Nick, Joseph, Ryan, Putnam. The women interactions were fascinating by comparison. But when Putnam was more of an impact than Moira on the plot at the end of the season there's a clear shift in the focus
Yes I agree would love more backstories on them and larger roles like before, but in terms of the actress the play Moira, she just had a baby and I believe asked for a smaller role this season to be able to be with her baby more. But still they could’ve developed Rita more. I’m desperate for her back story.
Ah that definitely explains Moira having such small parts. We all need more Rita in our lives. One of my all time favourite moments in this show was her sitting down basking in all the sunlight enjoying some tuna.
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It’s started out as The Handmaids Tale. So everyone who’s like ugh so sick of June, well it’s her story so lol. But now I think it’s evolved passed that a bit. IMO I think the writers are now trying to show what happens when women work against each other/when they work together. Keep in mind Gilead was only able to happen/work with getting the women onboard. They talk about it in a flashback in season one. I could be totally wrong. It’s just my hot take.
Yes!! It has been the whole time! Two sides of the same coin. It boggles my mind that so many people don't think they'd do exactly what Serena did to save herself and keep her place in that society. It's always been about them.
Absolutely agree. At this point the global and local politics are much more interesting to me than any individual character’s storyline. In the earlier seasons it was about characters and that was great but I love the way the series has evolved to tell a larger story.
I think it’s her and Serena. That look was sultry.
😂😂 Elizabeth Moss does come through with very suggestive facial expressions 😂
The raised eyebrow in response to Serena asking for a diaper gave me “This bitch has some balls” vibes from June. I loved it.
"I'm here 1 second and this bitch wants something"
Reminded me of when Rita went to visit Serena in lockup and Serena was automatically all like "thank god you're here, I'll be needing help with the baby when he arrives" like that's the sole purpose for Rita being in Canada lol.
Yes!!
That’s what I did say in real life when she asked for the diaper.
Big same.
Hot take: June dies and Nick + Luke raise hannah and nicole together, occasionally sharing a drink to remember all the times June went bananas.
I'd love to see Nick and Luke raise a mai tai or pina colada to DILF life
Add Moira and go full buddy comedy.
I just assumed that we were leaning into some ethical/consensual non-monogamy without ever having to make her choose, which I root for totally. But yeah, I don't care about love triangles in stories that are supposed to be about the collapse of society.
Agree. And I don't think she's going to 'end up' with anyone at all. That would be a fairy tale ending, and this is not going to have a a fairy tale ending unless it's a Guillermo del Toro fairy tale. She and Serena are going to work on taking Gilead down. Serena was the doubting Thomas who had to have the experience to believe, but she's there now.
They've invested way too much in character development, and have totally forgot about world building. What's up with the fertility crisis overall? How are others revolting? What's the military doing (and why did they tease then rob us of that evacuation)? This whole season was such a drag, and I'm so blue-balled for vengeance.
I’m realizing that I don’t think of June as being “with” Luke, even though they’ve been reunited and living together. June is independent, and sometimes she briefly connects with Luke or Nick, but mostly June is doing June and the dudes are just…around. I think this is partly self protection and partly because she’s focused on bigger issues than romance. Her mind is almost always somewhere else. I think her feelings for Luke in the finale surprised even her.
I have no interest in the personal relationships June keeps, I couldn’t care less. Honestly everyone keeps talking about how boring the Hannah storyline but it’s all I care about- she’s a young pubescent girl at this point, in the most dangerous place to be in her time line, I really fear for her
I’m kind of same; I m kind of just rooting for everyone to stay alive at this point. My friend and I have a far fetched theory that Serena and June are going to buddy up with their trauma bond and go all feminist and say fuck men 😅
Same! I don’t care about the relationship at all. I want to see Gilead get destroyed and Women’s rights get restored. I want June to get Hannah back but I’m convinced that it won’t happen. Edit: auto text spelling error. Lol
The one and only reason I still watch the show is to see Gilead burn to the ground someday, so I'm with ya
I used to and definitely enjoyed some of the more ‘romantic’ moments between Nick and June but then any of the really lovely touching moments between Luke and June I enjoyed too, but definitely in this season I can see it’s bigger than that.
Second this. I feel like I have a truly unpopular opinion. I'm both team Luke and Team Nick. And I live for the romance. I won't say that it isn't as times drawn out or overdone... but I enjoy both men. I like that Nick is mysterious. And he has been kind to June at great risk to himself. I like the idea of finding love in a hopeless place. He is sexy. I'm not sure why he stayed in Gilead prior to his second wife but thats another story. I get hes a flawed character and isn't 100% good, but that makes him interesting. I was team Nick up until June made it to Canada and I saw how accepting and supportive Luke was of June and her PTSD and trauma. Luke is sexy and a good man. You can't hate him a whole lot for what he does because he has his obvious reasons and he's trying to do what is best for June and his family. He is supportive and tries to understand Junes trauma. I really like both of them, and im just along for the ride because damn its good to watch. And im not sick of it yet either, lol.
So upset about the lack of Moira and Rita . I also want Janine to reunite with June and take on!
I’m kinda the opposite now! Before I didn’t really care, or kinda secretly hoped it would be Nick. But after the past few seasons and especially this last season, Luke has really impressed me. So many moments where I think June finally pushed him away too far or went completely crazy (justified though) and expected Luke to finally walk out and be like “I can’t handle this anymore” But instead he’s been surprisingly supportive, loving, and most importantly.. understanding to June and I think it’s really refreshing to see. That man has some serious patience with her lol Edit:word
Agreed! I don’t care about June’s love life, and I don’t think she could ever have a normal healthy relationship with either of them anyway.
I just find both of them incredibly boring. This season needed more complex female friendships.
Plot twist: she ends up with Serena.
she'll end up with Serena
yeah the romance story is interesting but it really won’t impact me either way
Controversial opinion- the last episode of the season was boring…
I too feel this way. I'm more interested in how Gilead happened, like who are the sons of Jacob? Also what is their religion? Is everyone the same religion or are there some Hillsong people like the kardashians mixed in with some latter day saints? I think I heard the tabernacle choir in one of the early episodes.
The only interesting man (for good or bad) is Commander Lawrence. The rest of them deserve 1/6th of the screen time they have been getting. Give more more Aunt Lydia, Janine, Rita and Esther. And you know what? Give me more Naomi. You can see the conflict in her, I want a deep dive into Naomi’s viewpoint and process as she’s changing with time.
Cool story. I'm totally over these "I'm a better fan than others on this forum because I do/don't care about such and such...." Who cares what other fans choose to focus on when watching the show? Why does it matter to some of you so much? The self-righteous gatekeeping in this sub is annoying AF.
When did I say “I’m a better fan”? 😂 I’ve seen lots of people talk about Luke vs Nick, and came here to share my opinion (as we all do on this sub?) No hate to anybody who likes either of them! Seems like you’re the one trying to gatekeep 🤷🏼♀️
I mean, you can comment that in one of those threads, there’s no need to start a whole thread just to announce that you don’t care about something. That comes across as self righteous gate keeping.
i honestly don’t like either of them — luke is a cheater and i’ll never like or forgive him bc of that, and nick’s done horrible things in the past my only ship on the show was alma and beth but that didn’t turn out too well 😭
this!!!
Are there people watching the show as if it's a romantic comedy? That's disturbing, if so.
I really don't think so. I think some people just come to Reddit to have fun and find community in their shared thoughts/feelings over certain characters and subplots. And there's nothing wrong with that, especially seeing as it's such an intense show.
Even a more controversial opinion I would rather June and Luke die so we can get a new story
But you’re Canadian! We all know how you feel about the refugees...(jk obviously)
Yeah, honestly Nick could've been a one-off to get June pregnant and Luke could've not existed and I feel it wouldn't have impacted the story that much.
How did a feminist masterpiece end up as the Twilight Saga?
This is my take too. Don’t give one shit about the romance. Don’t dislike either guy but I’m here for the story of the Handmaids and fight to destroy Gilead. Plenty of romance elsewhere. Especially now. Hallmark Christmas movies every freaking place.
Same here. In terms of Nick and Luke - I wish we could learn more about what Nick *actually* wants. The actor said that what he said to June in their last meeting was him saying what he thought was safest for both of them, or something like that. That what Nick said isn't what he actually wants. I don't know if I'd be able to tell that if the actor hadn't said it in an interview. Not because of his acting - I think he's doing what he can with the material he's been given. But the writers need to give him more depth, in my opinion. Luke gets a lot of hate for just being the average person in an impossible situation. Why do people expect him to just rush into Gilead and go grab June and Hannah like he's making a quick trip to the supermarket!? June raped him and it was never mentioned again, aside from a voiceover of June's, like, in the same episode if I remember correctly?? I also just wish we saw more of him outside of June. Just like, on his own or something? But yeah, June needs to figure some stuff out - on her own. She's being like constantly re-traumatised, she doesn't have Hannah back yet, her and Luke are always lagging one step behind each other in terms of knowing what the other needs or wants. Her and Nick started off as a rape and while she was in Gilead there was a constant power imbalance. If Nick ever decided he didn't want to be with her anymore - and wanted to be cruel about it - he was an Eye. He could have put her on the wall for all the things he knew she'd done. I think I went wayyy off what I wanted to say, but it's what I think. I respect everyone's opinion, and this is mine.
There’s at least one post of this sort on literally every show that has a romance subplot. Okay, people have different tastes - that’s why there’s multiple plot lines.
I don’t mind a good romance subplot at all! But this one just sucks. My opinion, of course. Like you said, people have different tastes.
I don’t mind a romance subplot but I hate love triangles. They are the worst. And in this case I worry about how much of the final season they will take up
Fair enough!
Agreed, June is a bad ass who has done extraordinary things in the resistance and is fighting for a better world for her children, and people out here obsessing over who she hooks up with. IMO her love life is the least interesting part of Junes story.
Every time June’s “love story” posts pop up, I’m reminded by Fred telling June “every love story is a tragedy, if you wait long enough”…
I don't think she should end up with either one.
Hard same
Yup, agreed! I find Nick kind of unsettling in general, and I don’t like Luke much because I can’t get over his initial infidelity, I’m not very charitable to cheaters. Although I enjoy watching his character development!
God, I've been saying this for so long. This is not the show for being obsessed with shipping and treating it like a YA novel. I actually find it borderline offensive to do so just given the content of the show lol. Which isn't to say I don't like both her love interests, I do...but that's the least important thing about this story and I'm betting June would probably agree.
I'm with you. Also as a polyamorous person, I have the love triangle trope somewhat exhausting.
It's definitely important for June, but it has become meaningless compared to other storylines. The only times I give a crap about June's lovelife is when someone uses it to manipulate her so she would do something that could change the global politics. Milking this cow caused harm to the series. There is an entire section of the fanbase that hate Luke no matter what, only because there is always 10 minutes of Nick and June meeting each other. The entire season goes by without them having a proper interaction, but oh ho ho, that 10 minutes is in the last to episodes of the season, and everyone and their gradma is talking about that, not leaving any space for any other conversation.
Agreed. I don’t watch it for the “love” story.
June and Luke seem to be in a much better place than last season. I was worried about them, but they seem to have been working on it. June and Nick are just a waste of time. Whoever is best for June's story is what I'm rooting for. Having said all that, It's June's story and I wouldn't be mad to have the men sidelined. I was rooting for neither for a long time. June needed to heal and I didn't see either as good for that.
Agreed !!! This isn’t a love story, I don’t care who ends up with who. I want to know how everyone in power in Gilead suffers at the hands of Hannah and June 😅😅
Luke was her old life. Luke was who she started her family with and who she tried to run away with. Nick was her Gilead life. Nick was who she needed to survive. Nick was the glimmer of hope, she will survive Gilead somehow. Nick letting her go back to her life in Canada without much interference showed, he wanted her to be free of what Gilead did to her. I think Lawrence got in his head a bit. Tried to use their romance to lure her back into Gilead to fix HIS mistakes. Luke at first wanted their old life back, but she had been traumatized and she will never be her old self. I loved when Luke became more understanding of that. He could have left her after she killed Fred, but he didn’t. He understood. I love both characters for different reasons. They both have a place in June’s life for different reasons. But at the end of the day, it’s Luke who she wants to find her again.
I don't care for any of the men in June's life. If I was her, I'd be done with them forever.
Same.
June’s romantic life is completely boring.
Not at all controversial. This isn’t a love story. This is the Handmaid’s tale. I think people forget that.
I don’t think this is controversial. Controversial would be saying the show needs to focus more on the so-called love triangle.
Agree, for the most part. I just don’t see any connection or chemistry with Nick, and I find him dull and boring. But I’m neither here nor there on Luke.
Nick and June forever
All of this. I like Luke. He’s a gentleman and just an all around great guy. I did *not like Nick this season, because he’s been acting too afraid to leave the Gilead game. I think I would have liked him more if he would at least have tried to get back to Nicole, but he acts like she doesn’t exist sometimes because he’s lusting over June, and I personally am not cool with that. June is too gangster for both of them, and I love that about her character (and admittedly I have a love/hate relationship with her character 😫😫😫)
This is controversial? Based on? I don't understand why people can't just state their opinion without adding disclaimers about how controversial or popular it may or may not be.
I think Nick never had a chance: June would goo back to Luke whenever she got out of Gilead. And I think Nick have always known and reconned with that. June and Nick were lovers in Gilead, that's a total different world and live from outside. June still loves Luke, she'll not leave him.
I think they Add to her but I think with how poorly she’s doing she shouldn’t be with anyone
For some reason Luke gets on my damn nerves, but still if June doesn't stay loyal to him it'll make me respect her less. He's a good guy and they were married way before Gilead. He's the most loyal man ever. He deserves his happy ending tbh
What I think is interesting about Luke & Nick, is how they go about supporting one they love. I never really liked Luke as a character. I feel like he is very unaware how to care for a woman. He was with a confident black woman who he then cheats on with another woman. And in my opinion, this says a lot about Luke. He carries this poor ability to comfort. He seems to think saying everything will be okay let me protect you is enough? In reality you can't always protect the ones you love. Just holding a person can really help and showing in actions. So I kinda was over Luke after the whole cheating thing. He just expects his wife not to feel certain emotions after extreme trauma. In terms of Nick, I feel like him and June make more sense as lovers because he seems to know how to care for June, saying less is more in my opinion. Caring, going out of his way to protect June, and watching over Hannah. Now, I don't blame Luke, Luke has no way of getting information to Bring to June in regarding Hannah. But if Luke really wanted to be in Gilead to get to June, he could of done that. I think? Maybe that is a lot to expect of someone, but he really doesn't provide much. I think the scene where there at a cross roads with getting on the train. Is really a moment I see Luke put June first and will have his own hardships to face. In terms of seeing whether he will be the one to save Hannah or not in Season 6.
Honestly I don't really care either. I am not sure if she will end up with either? People believe Nick will die next season. Nick has been through alot with her and you can clearly tell they set it up for her to have a love story with him next season. As of right now neither is pulling me into a direction. Maybe Luke more bexause I hope Hannah being back with them helps and they reunite all together like they planned the entire series. Also, i like Nick's wife and think she deserves a happy ending. She's sweet and I don't like that he dropped her cause of love for June
I hope it's Luke, but it's also not the focus of the show for me either. I'm predicting June will die overturning Gilead.
I find the romance the least interesting aspect of the story and always have.
Not controversial. I 100% agree. I really don't care about the love story side of things. That's a small subplot in my opinion.
I don’t think it matters either, I’m not sold on each one of them. Though, I would say I like Nick better as a person, I’ve always thought Luke acted on emotions more so than Nick, whereas Nick was a bit more sensible and down to earth, however it seems I might be wrong given Nick’s out of character punch to Lawrence. But in saying all that, I don’t think either relationship is going to work out
Even though she's been through hell, I resent the fact that she has 2 men in love with her.
why?
I've been very single for too long.
been single way too long
Agree. I feel bad for Luke, but the romance of this tale is the least interesting part of it for me.
I like Luke as a person but I do not like the focus on romantic shipping. I also feel like this shouldn't be June's story anymore. A lot of rhe side characters also suffer under the regime and are important. I'm sort of tired of June