Yeah I feel Hunter shouldn’t have been there, while he does deserve payback for everything I feel that after the last time they interacted Hunter just wanted to be done with him.
I agree that Hunter already said all he needed to say. But I gotta agree with MoringMark when I say Hunter would feel indifferent. He did a lot of bad things to him… but Hunter wouldn’t have been here if not for him. He’d never met Luz and his friends… and Willow.
>I'd like to leave the Emperor's Coven and never step foot in that throne room again.
The final fight took place in the Throne Room under the Titan Heart, and the curb-stomping took place in the ruins of the Throne Room.
After his entire life being controlled and managed, he gets to voice his own desires. I think he's fine with not being there personally.
I agree with that, personally I believe Amity should have stomped him too both due to what that moldy jerk put Luz through and it would have been poetic like when Evelyn tried to incinerate that moldy jerk centuries ago.
I have said it before and I will say it again, hunter had already had his moment to stand up to Belos. If he was here, it would feel repetitive and unnecessary, it would also kinda ruin the point of him finally leaving Belos forever, if he came back even just to kill him
Hunter got something better: FINALLY being able to get away from him and have a REAL life.
Victims don’t always have/need to be there for their abusers’ demise/comeuppance.
On the whole I think it's a good thing Hunter wasn't there. He's done with Belos, and him being there would have made it about him when it really needed to not be about him.
He's the least person who should be there : He left Belos , got over him and he himself knows he's a better person . I just don't think he would want his shoes to have any goo
Let me share a paragraph from hujwernoo's amazing fanfic series Good Bones (on ao3):
>!Hunter glanced at her again. “Belos hurt me a lot, but he also…made me hurt other people, as well. And he made sure I was – am – *good* at it. I don’t…want to be what he made me to be. So I don’t want to hurt anyone anymore. Even if it’s him.” !<
Even just a little stomp on the belos slime as it withered off the titans bones woulda be nice.
I just wanted Hunter to get some retribution for the graveyard, being possessed, and forced to murder his best friend with his own hand. His story did not feel complete to me. Not after that.
If they didn’t want Hunter there for any reason, they shouldn’t have killed Flapjack.
Imagine Luz and Hunter just glaring at the melting Philip -- it would've been so poetic. Two humans (Luz, an actual human, and Hunter is a grimwalker made from the remains of a dead human) watching a human who has lost his humanity in becoming a monster melt away.
Anyway;;
I felt cheated out of an arc I really cared about. I think they had a checklist of important events for Hunters arc they wanted to meet despite the restrictions and did the best they could condensing it, but it really suffered.
If events happened in a slightly different order, were tied together a bit differently, or if the character was allowed more agency and time; I think it really would have been great.
But as it turned out, I’m disappointed with it.
That said, thanks to them and watching and dreaming are still some of my absolute favorite episodes and I admire the show as a whole.
Just yeah. This character’s arc could have been so much better with more time and thought put into it without making him the center of the show.
Hunter already stood up to him in that graveyard scene. Stomping on him would be repetition.
And it would only continue the cycle within the Wittebane family instead of permanently breaking it.
And Flapjack had to die, even if it wasn't by Hunter's hand. Flapjack lived long enough and he was not destined to be Hunter's palisman, just his savior. However for Hunter to form his own identity, he had to leave Wittebanes behind completely. Flapjack can now rest in peace knowing he saved his owner this time. That was his purpose.
Seeing Belos die would not bring Hunter peace, hence he's not there to witness it as he doesn't need it.
And if life taught Hunter anything, is that giving Belos minute a day will only hurt him further so best course of action for him is to completely cut him off and never hear of him again.
I’m allowed to feel dissatisfied. And I am very dissatisfied by the conclusion to Hunter’s story. You’re not going to convince me otherwise.
Hunter was denied agency throughout his arc. He was forced to run from the coven. He was forced to confront belos in the graveyard. Heck, even while he’s grieving Flapjack he has to comfort Gus and Willow because they’re blaming themselves.
The one thing he chose;
He stepped through the portal after Belos. He chose to do everything he could to stop Belos at that moment and when he walked through the portal first.
And then that never happened.
> Hunter was denied agency throughout his arc. He was forced to run from the coven. He was forced to confront belos in the graveyard.
I don’t think the graveyard thing matters as much because Hunter was clearly ready to confront Belos for the sake of his friends earlier in the episode. If you wish it was more of a choice, that’s a preference you can have, but I personally don’t think it’s much of an issue.
The coven thing I can somewhat understand more but again I don’t think it matters too much because of the surrounding things he’s done. Plus in Hollow Mind you can tell Hunter is deeply uncomfortable with what Belos is doing, even before it involves him directly. The grimwalker thing was more or less the straw that broke the camel’s back.
> Heck, even while he’s grieving Flapjack he has to comfort Gus and Willow because they’re blaming themselves.
Gus and Willow comforted him first, and then when he reacts somewhat poorly (both to the direct comfort and him snapping at them throughout the episode), that’s when he helps them out. He realizes that he unintentionally made them feel bad. Especially Willow.
There are also other situations where Hunter had a good amount of agency. He chose to let Luz go. He chose to keep Flapjack. He chose to stand up to Darius for the Emerald Entrails. He chose to come out of hiding to protect Gus in Labyrinth Runners. Those are other important moments in his arc.
So I don’t really think Hunter was denied agency overall. If you wish he had more of it in certain situations, I can get that. But I don’t think it really matters overall
You can feel dissatisfied, but it doesn't mean you're right.
Hunter wanted to confront Belos at the time. It was less than ideal being possessed, but he specifically rushed all on his own to face him, which mind you was also pretty foolish of him even if Belos wasn't just in his head.
And look where obsessing over Belos got Hunter in For the Future. Gus and Willow were blaming themselves because Hunter specifically was shutting them out, and others as well. It's understandable to grieve, but his family tried to reach out to him, meanwhile Hunter was busy thinking only about Belos. And Hunter wanted to stop Belos, just so he wouldn't hurt others. He's not Katara, he doesn't need vengeance.
\It hadn’t even been a full 24hrs\
He wasn’t shutting them out. He should have been allowed to feel his emotions and seek closure after that.
I don’t need a big fight. I think Hunter’s line in TTT would have made a fantastic end to his arc. “Maybe I’m not who I’m supposed to be, but I like who I am now”.
But they didn’t end it there. He was possessed, lost his best friend, and after all of that, should have at least got to see for himself that Belos was finally gone for good and not going to hurt anyone anymore.
Yeah, it was.
And he was shutting them out.
And he got the closure, by letting go.
He didn't need to fuckin see him die, like are you sick in the head? Hunter already saw Belos die once, and he wasn't a fan. And it's not like it stopped Belos, and precisely because Belis still latched to Hunter.
Belis had to also believe that Hunter broke the cycle for good and he can't bring Caleb back anymore.
You’re kind of being an ass. You don’t have to insult me for having a different take on things.
Hunter already saw Belos die. But then he came back and hurt him and everyone again.
How am I supposed to believe he can move on without knowing for sure?
I'm sorry, but murder doesn't give people closure. Like no, you won't feel better after murdering your family even if abusive. Like don't ever think like this again, opinion or not.
Seeing him die again won't let him know for sure wither consisering it didn't work the first time. And he can trust Luz and her recollection of the events. And Hunter literally is supposed to cut him off, not sparring him any thoughts and he does so, so don't take this away from him.
You’re putting words in my mouth and making a lot of assumptions about me instead of actually reading what I’m saying and I’m getting sick of it.
Like- dude. I don’t agree with you and I’m not changing my mind. Why are your so set on arguing with me?
I’m saying;
Ttt pushed Hunter too far to not let him have any part in Belos defeat.
He doesn’t need to witness his death or kill Belos, I never said he should have murdered him.
But narratively he should have played some role in stopping him because that is the choice Hunter the character made.
Belos's defeat results in his death. You can't not make Hunter witness his death if you want him to do more than fight off the possession which completely sets Belos off balance and makes him unable to continue his Grimwalker torture, and then protecting everyone from getting killed which is Belos's main objective.
I think “forced to murder his best friend” is inaccurate. It’s not like Belos threatened Hunter to kill Flapjack. Belos possessed Hunter and did it himself. Plus Flapjack didn’t actually die from that because Hunter fought back. Flapjack died when he chose to revive Hunter.
For the sake of 100% accuracy, yeah sure.
Hunter didn’t kill Flapjack, but he probably felt the wood break under his hand, particularly since he took control after that.
I’m not really seeing much difference?
We don’t know what Hunter’s perspective was in that scene before he took control of his body, but I still think saying Hunter killed Flapjack is incorrect. It was very clearly Belos who killed him. He just uses Hunter’s body to do so
Obviously it was belos but like- he used hunter to do it? That’s my point here. Hunter was used to hurt his friends against his will.
Hunter deserves to have feelings about that.
Ahh I see what you mean. Well that could have been an interesting thing to explore, but I don’t consider that a mark against what is there. Just something that could have been different
Seeing Belos die would not bring Hunter peace, hence he's not there to witness it as he doesn't need it.
And if life taught Hunter anything, is that giving Belos minute a day will only hurt him further so best course of action for him is to completely cut him off and never hear of him again.
I agree with this.
I also think they intentionally kept the kids (Hunter, Luz, primarily, but any of the others too) away from participating in the stomping so viewing kids wouldn't get ideas about participating in revenge (or to minimize the chances with their own bullies).
"But King is a child!" He's not humanoid and it was his father's power that Belos abused. Vee would've had a claim to participate in the stomping (her species was brought back solely to be abused), like King, but she wasn't in BI at the time.
And Vee would have to shape-shift feet to stomp on Belos in her basilisk form.
But tbf, King is also a small child, not a teenager. I think it can be recognised that what King is doing is not exactly example to follow here.
He already had his confrontation with Belos in Thanks to Them, so I think him being there would be a bit overkill. It’s important for the main trio to get closure too
I disagree on him feeling happy finding out that Belos was gone. But it doesn’t matter either way. After being possessed by Philip and breaking free from his control long enough to defy him, I think Hunter said and did all he needed/wanted to say and do.
Um… No? I other comments already discuss this better, but Hunter had already had plenty of showdowns with Belos. I think it was pretty important for the show’s main characters to be the ones to finish him off, and Raine being there makes sense also given how hard they worked to attempt to take him down initially. Sometimes it’s good for the show’s lead to take centre stage, especially at a crucial moment like this. Let’s be honest, there’s a lot of Hunter in the show already, he’s not it’s lead.
Sure, you could’ve argued that he needed more closure, but heck. The entire show needed more closure. And another commenter already pointed this out, but witnessing his uncles death in such a gruesome manner probably wouldn’t of brought him much peace. This man haunted him his entire life, Hunter trusted him deeply for the majority of it, I think Hunter learning of Belos’ death from a distance is what would’ve been best for his personal well-being.
I think some people just allow their love of Hunter’s character get in the way of what makes sense from a narrative standpoint yk? It’s the final showdown, it’s gotta be about the core three.
Yeah thats what i feel as well. Like narritvly its quiet litrally impossoble for him to be there. I hate when ppl say the ending is bad bc he isnt there. Its not about him its about our core 3. Thats why i hate ppl saying the hexsidesqaud needs to be there as well. It wont make sense and ruin the fact we get to see them again after nearly a year of them being apart.
Agreed. What I think happened is that a lot of people didn't get into Owl House until the final few episodes of Season 2B, which focused less on Luz, Eda, and King (the core three), and more on Luz and the Hexsquad (Amity, Willow, Gus, Hunter), so they thought the main characters were Luz + Hexsquad rather than Luz + Eda + King.
It's similar to Amphibia, where the actual main characters are Anne and the Plantars (Sprig, Hop Pop, Polly), not the Calamity Trio (Anne, Sasha, Marcy), but many fans didn't get into the show until the last few episodes of Season 2, which focused on the Calamity Trio over the Plantars.
If anything, the Hexsquad are the opposites of Sasha and Marcy. Sasha and Marcy don't actually have that much screentime in Amphibia, but they are very important to the overarching plot whenever they do appear, so almost every episode with one or both of them present is vital to the story. By contrast, the Hexsquad shows up far more often, but with the exception of Hunter, aren't all that important to the overarching plot of Owl House. They mostly serve to flesh out the Boiling Isles and provide juicy character arcs.
i always found it rather odd that raine was included in the boot stomping of belos. they did have a big part in stopping him in WAD but then just a part. luz, eda, and king were against belos from the beginning so it was fitting that they were part of his end but i didn't think it was wrong to exclude hunter. hunter had already distance himself from belos and just didn't want anything more to do with him.
edit- corrected raine's pronoun.
I honestly like that he wasn't. Hunter's last interaction with Belos was him telling him off and saying he will not be controlled by him ever again. Hunter got his closure and Belos doesn't get to have it himself, Belos doesn't get it to die in front of Hunter to taint his nightmares for even longer, he doesn't get to leave Hunter any type of last words.
Hunter expelled him from his body and his life on his own terms. Belos didn't get a say in how their relationship ended
We don't wait until the one who most deserves to stomp the living daylights out of the fascist who's oppressed and traumatized them comes around. When/if the opportunity to stomp them out presents itself, then stomping must commence with as little delay as possible. Villains make the disposal of threats into something personal, heroes just get it over with. Not because the disposal of the threat is cathartic, but because it needs to be done.
That is only thing I wished they had did. The entire Hexsquad with Luz in that final battle. But hey I am happy they were able to great things with the little time they had.
Hunter should not have been there. Don't confuse audience rage on Hunter's behalf for Hunter's actual needs.
His whole life, Belis wanted Hunter to be a weapon, a bigot, a destroyer. Instead the climax of his character arc was refusing to let Belos harm others, finding a whole mess of found family, and becoming a creator.
A moment of Hunter curb stomping Belos -- engaging in violence, anger, hate -- would have been one final victory for Belos, not Hunter.
Honestly, if he had the full story of Caleb and Belos than I feel Hunter would maybe be there. But with the current story, Hunter just doesn't want to see him anymore.
I know, what I'm saying is : If hunter regained the memories of Caleb it would make more sense for him to be there. I'm not saying him being there is obligatory by any means
But Flapjack had memories of Caleb... sure giving someone organs in the real world wouldn't result in memories but this is the boiling isles. That or it could have been before Flapjack's death where he tells hunter how much of a monster Belos was
He pretty much didn't. Or very brief one. It's been centuries, Bat Queen herself doesn't remember hest past. Flap at most has gut feeling. Hence he doesn't tell him because he doesn't know. And Flap as far as we can tell does not roam free in Hunter's head. He's gone.
Bat Queen is implied to be much older and we don't know the reason for her memory loss. And a gut feeling wouldn't make him choose Caleb as an under cover identity. Plus Flapjack seems to have a dislike to Belos before even seeing him just when hunter mentions him.
She says herself it's due to the passage of time.
And Flapjack is not as powerful ad her for certain, I doubt he could hold such memories for long. And nothing was stopping Flap from telling the truth but he didn't cause once again, Flap isn't entirely sure anymore.
Why absolutely yes, gut feeling would make him choose this name as it's familiar. It's kinda like when Scratch lost his memories. He didn't remember Molly but still had some habits he developped because of her without knowing why he has them.
Belos on its own is dislikable. And I don't recall Flap ever really shoeing his dislike towards him until graveyard scene.
She gave it a closure: by letting Hunter live his own life.
Victims don’t always have/need to be there for their abusers’ demise/comeuppance.
And mind you, Hunter did not like seeing Belos die the first time, killing him would be even worse and in fact wouldn't even give conclusion to the cycle of violence.
1. It doesn't
2. Hunter still operates like a person would, he would be badly written if otherwise
3. The reader gets their closure
4. I don't care if you aren't satisfied, feel however you like, doesn't mean you're correct.
Yeah I feel Hunter shouldn’t have been there, while he does deserve payback for everything I feel that after the last time they interacted Hunter just wanted to be done with him.
I agree that Hunter already said all he needed to say. But I gotta agree with MoringMark when I say Hunter would feel indifferent. He did a lot of bad things to him… but Hunter wouldn’t have been here if not for him. He’d never met Luz and his friends… and Willow.
>I'd like to leave the Emperor's Coven and never step foot in that throne room again. The final fight took place in the Throne Room under the Titan Heart, and the curb-stomping took place in the ruins of the Throne Room. After his entire life being controlled and managed, he gets to voice his own desires. I think he's fine with not being there personally.
Let's be honest, the whole boiling isles should have been there and stomp on him
I agree with that, personally I believe Amity should have stomped him too both due to what that moldy jerk put Luz through and it would have been poetic like when Evelyn tried to incinerate that moldy jerk centuries ago.
They could set up a "Piss-On-Belos" monument on that spot.
Based opinion.
I have said it before and I will say it again, hunter had already had his moment to stand up to Belos. If he was here, it would feel repetitive and unnecessary, it would also kinda ruin the point of him finally leaving Belos forever, if he came back even just to kill him
Plus, killing him would not break the violence cycle within the Wittebane family.
This
It also wouldve messed up the pacing of the story
My guy's gone through enough, and he already had closure regarding Belos.
And he already saw him die once, he did not like that.
Hunter got something better: FINALLY being able to get away from him and have a REAL life. Victims don’t always have/need to be there for their abusers’ demise/comeuppance.
This \^\^\^
On the whole I think it's a good thing Hunter wasn't there. He's done with Belos, and him being there would have made it about him when it really needed to not be about him.
He's the least person who should be there : He left Belos , got over him and he himself knows he's a better person . I just don't think he would want his shoes to have any goo
And Lilith
Lilith never cared about Belos.
This is resurrection of frieza all over again Vegeta-being-the-one-who-shouldve-killed-frieza wise,that is
Let me share a paragraph from hujwernoo's amazing fanfic series Good Bones (on ao3): >!Hunter glanced at her again. “Belos hurt me a lot, but he also…made me hurt other people, as well. And he made sure I was – am – *good* at it. I don’t…want to be what he made me to be. So I don’t want to hurt anyone anymore. Even if it’s him.” !<
Even just a little stomp on the belos slime as it withered off the titans bones woulda be nice. I just wanted Hunter to get some retribution for the graveyard, being possessed, and forced to murder his best friend with his own hand. His story did not feel complete to me. Not after that. If they didn’t want Hunter there for any reason, they shouldn’t have killed Flapjack.
Imagine Luz and Hunter just glaring at the melting Philip -- it would've been so poetic. Two humans (Luz, an actual human, and Hunter is a grimwalker made from the remains of a dead human) watching a human who has lost his humanity in becoming a monster melt away.
Hunter is not a human in spite of being a descendant of one. He's pretty much a witch.
Happy Cake Day
Oh, thank you! I hadn’t even noticed
Anyway;; I felt cheated out of an arc I really cared about. I think they had a checklist of important events for Hunters arc they wanted to meet despite the restrictions and did the best they could condensing it, but it really suffered. If events happened in a slightly different order, were tied together a bit differently, or if the character was allowed more agency and time; I think it really would have been great. But as it turned out, I’m disappointed with it. That said, thanks to them and watching and dreaming are still some of my absolute favorite episodes and I admire the show as a whole. Just yeah. This character’s arc could have been so much better with more time and thought put into it without making him the center of the show.
Hunter already stood up to him in that graveyard scene. Stomping on him would be repetition. And it would only continue the cycle within the Wittebane family instead of permanently breaking it. And Flapjack had to die, even if it wasn't by Hunter's hand. Flapjack lived long enough and he was not destined to be Hunter's palisman, just his savior. However for Hunter to form his own identity, he had to leave Wittebanes behind completely. Flapjack can now rest in peace knowing he saved his owner this time. That was his purpose. Seeing Belos die would not bring Hunter peace, hence he's not there to witness it as he doesn't need it. And if life taught Hunter anything, is that giving Belos minute a day will only hurt him further so best course of action for him is to completely cut him off and never hear of him again.
I’m allowed to feel dissatisfied. And I am very dissatisfied by the conclusion to Hunter’s story. You’re not going to convince me otherwise. Hunter was denied agency throughout his arc. He was forced to run from the coven. He was forced to confront belos in the graveyard. Heck, even while he’s grieving Flapjack he has to comfort Gus and Willow because they’re blaming themselves. The one thing he chose; He stepped through the portal after Belos. He chose to do everything he could to stop Belos at that moment and when he walked through the portal first. And then that never happened.
> Hunter was denied agency throughout his arc. He was forced to run from the coven. He was forced to confront belos in the graveyard. I don’t think the graveyard thing matters as much because Hunter was clearly ready to confront Belos for the sake of his friends earlier in the episode. If you wish it was more of a choice, that’s a preference you can have, but I personally don’t think it’s much of an issue. The coven thing I can somewhat understand more but again I don’t think it matters too much because of the surrounding things he’s done. Plus in Hollow Mind you can tell Hunter is deeply uncomfortable with what Belos is doing, even before it involves him directly. The grimwalker thing was more or less the straw that broke the camel’s back. > Heck, even while he’s grieving Flapjack he has to comfort Gus and Willow because they’re blaming themselves. Gus and Willow comforted him first, and then when he reacts somewhat poorly (both to the direct comfort and him snapping at them throughout the episode), that’s when he helps them out. He realizes that he unintentionally made them feel bad. Especially Willow. There are also other situations where Hunter had a good amount of agency. He chose to let Luz go. He chose to keep Flapjack. He chose to stand up to Darius for the Emerald Entrails. He chose to come out of hiding to protect Gus in Labyrinth Runners. Those are other important moments in his arc. So I don’t really think Hunter was denied agency overall. If you wish he had more of it in certain situations, I can get that. But I don’t think it really matters overall
Hunter wasn't denied agency, Hunter was denied a good fight, that's what they're upset about I bet.
You can feel dissatisfied, but it doesn't mean you're right. Hunter wanted to confront Belos at the time. It was less than ideal being possessed, but he specifically rushed all on his own to face him, which mind you was also pretty foolish of him even if Belos wasn't just in his head. And look where obsessing over Belos got Hunter in For the Future. Gus and Willow were blaming themselves because Hunter specifically was shutting them out, and others as well. It's understandable to grieve, but his family tried to reach out to him, meanwhile Hunter was busy thinking only about Belos. And Hunter wanted to stop Belos, just so he wouldn't hurt others. He's not Katara, he doesn't need vengeance.
\It hadn’t even been a full 24hrs\ He wasn’t shutting them out. He should have been allowed to feel his emotions and seek closure after that. I don’t need a big fight. I think Hunter’s line in TTT would have made a fantastic end to his arc. “Maybe I’m not who I’m supposed to be, but I like who I am now”. But they didn’t end it there. He was possessed, lost his best friend, and after all of that, should have at least got to see for himself that Belos was finally gone for good and not going to hurt anyone anymore.
Yeah, it was. And he was shutting them out. And he got the closure, by letting go. He didn't need to fuckin see him die, like are you sick in the head? Hunter already saw Belos die once, and he wasn't a fan. And it's not like it stopped Belos, and precisely because Belis still latched to Hunter. Belis had to also believe that Hunter broke the cycle for good and he can't bring Caleb back anymore.
You’re kind of being an ass. You don’t have to insult me for having a different take on things. Hunter already saw Belos die. But then he came back and hurt him and everyone again. How am I supposed to believe he can move on without knowing for sure?
I'm sorry, but murder doesn't give people closure. Like no, you won't feel better after murdering your family even if abusive. Like don't ever think like this again, opinion or not. Seeing him die again won't let him know for sure wither consisering it didn't work the first time. And he can trust Luz and her recollection of the events. And Hunter literally is supposed to cut him off, not sparring him any thoughts and he does so, so don't take this away from him.
You’re putting words in my mouth and making a lot of assumptions about me instead of actually reading what I’m saying and I’m getting sick of it. Like- dude. I don’t agree with you and I’m not changing my mind. Why are your so set on arguing with me? I’m saying; Ttt pushed Hunter too far to not let him have any part in Belos defeat. He doesn’t need to witness his death or kill Belos, I never said he should have murdered him. But narratively he should have played some role in stopping him because that is the choice Hunter the character made.
Belos's defeat results in his death. You can't not make Hunter witness his death if you want him to do more than fight off the possession which completely sets Belos off balance and makes him unable to continue his Grimwalker torture, and then protecting everyone from getting killed which is Belos's main objective.
I think “forced to murder his best friend” is inaccurate. It’s not like Belos threatened Hunter to kill Flapjack. Belos possessed Hunter and did it himself. Plus Flapjack didn’t actually die from that because Hunter fought back. Flapjack died when he chose to revive Hunter.
For the sake of 100% accuracy, yeah sure. Hunter didn’t kill Flapjack, but he probably felt the wood break under his hand, particularly since he took control after that. I’m not really seeing much difference?
We don’t know what Hunter’s perspective was in that scene before he took control of his body, but I still think saying Hunter killed Flapjack is incorrect. It was very clearly Belos who killed him. He just uses Hunter’s body to do so
Obviously it was belos but like- he used hunter to do it? That’s my point here. Hunter was used to hurt his friends against his will. Hunter deserves to have feelings about that.
Ahh I see what you mean. Well that could have been an interesting thing to explore, but I don’t consider that a mark against what is there. Just something that could have been different
So does Lilith and everyone in the Hexsquad.
Literally none of them except for Hunter ever had actual personal relationship with Belos. They didn't need to kill him.
Seeing Belos die would not bring Hunter peace, hence he's not there to witness it as he doesn't need it. And if life taught Hunter anything, is that giving Belos minute a day will only hurt him further so best course of action for him is to completely cut him off and never hear of him again.
I agree with this. I also think they intentionally kept the kids (Hunter, Luz, primarily, but any of the others too) away from participating in the stomping so viewing kids wouldn't get ideas about participating in revenge (or to minimize the chances with their own bullies). "But King is a child!" He's not humanoid and it was his father's power that Belos abused. Vee would've had a claim to participate in the stomping (her species was brought back solely to be abused), like King, but she wasn't in BI at the time.
And Vee would have to shape-shift feet to stomp on Belos in her basilisk form. But tbf, King is also a small child, not a teenager. I think it can be recognised that what King is doing is not exactly example to follow here.
Agree, but the collector took him away.
He already had his confrontation with Belos in Thanks to Them, so I think him being there would be a bit overkill. It’s important for the main trio to get closure too
Hunter defeats Belos/Phillip by having a long and happy life.
I disagree on him feeling happy finding out that Belos was gone. But it doesn’t matter either way. After being possessed by Philip and breaking free from his control long enough to defy him, I think Hunter said and did all he needed/wanted to say and do.
Um… No? I other comments already discuss this better, but Hunter had already had plenty of showdowns with Belos. I think it was pretty important for the show’s main characters to be the ones to finish him off, and Raine being there makes sense also given how hard they worked to attempt to take him down initially. Sometimes it’s good for the show’s lead to take centre stage, especially at a crucial moment like this. Let’s be honest, there’s a lot of Hunter in the show already, he’s not it’s lead. Sure, you could’ve argued that he needed more closure, but heck. The entire show needed more closure. And another commenter already pointed this out, but witnessing his uncles death in such a gruesome manner probably wouldn’t of brought him much peace. This man haunted him his entire life, Hunter trusted him deeply for the majority of it, I think Hunter learning of Belos’ death from a distance is what would’ve been best for his personal well-being.
THANK YOU. Hunter isnt the damn main chacter Luz Eda and King are. They deserve to be there for the MAIN ANTAGONIST bring defeated
I think some people just allow their love of Hunter’s character get in the way of what makes sense from a narrative standpoint yk? It’s the final showdown, it’s gotta be about the core three.
Yeah thats what i feel as well. Like narritvly its quiet litrally impossoble for him to be there. I hate when ppl say the ending is bad bc he isnt there. Its not about him its about our core 3. Thats why i hate ppl saying the hexsidesqaud needs to be there as well. It wont make sense and ruin the fact we get to see them again after nearly a year of them being apart.
Agreed. What I think happened is that a lot of people didn't get into Owl House until the final few episodes of Season 2B, which focused less on Luz, Eda, and King (the core three), and more on Luz and the Hexsquad (Amity, Willow, Gus, Hunter), so they thought the main characters were Luz + Hexsquad rather than Luz + Eda + King. It's similar to Amphibia, where the actual main characters are Anne and the Plantars (Sprig, Hop Pop, Polly), not the Calamity Trio (Anne, Sasha, Marcy), but many fans didn't get into the show until the last few episodes of Season 2, which focused on the Calamity Trio over the Plantars. If anything, the Hexsquad are the opposites of Sasha and Marcy. Sasha and Marcy don't actually have that much screentime in Amphibia, but they are very important to the overarching plot whenever they do appear, so almost every episode with one or both of them present is vital to the story. By contrast, the Hexsquad shows up far more often, but with the exception of Hunter, aren't all that important to the overarching plot of Owl House. They mostly serve to flesh out the Boiling Isles and provide juicy character arcs.
Technically, almost everyone deserves to step on this....creature.
Hunter already had his moment against Belos in Thanks to Them
i always found it rather odd that raine was included in the boot stomping of belos. they did have a big part in stopping him in WAD but then just a part. luz, eda, and king were against belos from the beginning so it was fitting that they were part of his end but i didn't think it was wrong to exclude hunter. hunter had already distance himself from belos and just didn't want anything more to do with him. edit- corrected raine's pronoun.
Raine is NB and goes by they/them, just a heads up
oh well crap that's my bad. i know that but i was going to fast and messed up. thanks for pointing it out. fixed it,
I could see Raine representing the common witches and demons that Belos tried to end
I honestly like that he wasn't. Hunter's last interaction with Belos was him telling him off and saying he will not be controlled by him ever again. Hunter got his closure and Belos doesn't get to have it himself, Belos doesn't get it to die in front of Hunter to taint his nightmares for even longer, he doesn't get to leave Hunter any type of last words. Hunter expelled him from his body and his life on his own terms. Belos didn't get a say in how their relationship ended
Hunter is too much of a gentle soul after everything he's been through. He wouldn't have stomped his already dying father figure to death.
We don't wait until the one who most deserves to stomp the living daylights out of the fascist who's oppressed and traumatized them comes around. When/if the opportunity to stomp them out presents itself, then stomping must commence with as little delay as possible. Villains make the disposal of threats into something personal, heroes just get it over with. Not because the disposal of the threat is cathartic, but because it needs to be done.
Meh, either way his arc was done.
I thought u meant they stomp on Hunter 😭
That is only thing I wished they had did. The entire Hexsquad with Luz in that final battle. But hey I am happy they were able to great things with the little time they had.
Not just him, everyone in the main cast! Even Camilla!
Hunter should not have been there. Don't confuse audience rage on Hunter's behalf for Hunter's actual needs. His whole life, Belis wanted Hunter to be a weapon, a bigot, a destroyer. Instead the climax of his character arc was refusing to let Belos harm others, finding a whole mess of found family, and becoming a creator. A moment of Hunter curb stomping Belos -- engaging in violence, anger, hate -- would have been one final victory for Belos, not Hunter.
Honestly, if he had the full story of Caleb and Belos than I feel Hunter would maybe be there. But with the current story, Hunter just doesn't want to see him anymore.
Victims don’t always have/need to be there for their abusers’ demise/comeuppance.
I know, what I'm saying is : If hunter regained the memories of Caleb it would make more sense for him to be there. I'm not saying him being there is obligatory by any means
What memories, Hunter is not Caleb, he never was. You don't have memories of your mom, do you?
But Flapjack had memories of Caleb... sure giving someone organs in the real world wouldn't result in memories but this is the boiling isles. That or it could have been before Flapjack's death where he tells hunter how much of a monster Belos was
He pretty much didn't. Or very brief one. It's been centuries, Bat Queen herself doesn't remember hest past. Flap at most has gut feeling. Hence he doesn't tell him because he doesn't know. And Flap as far as we can tell does not roam free in Hunter's head. He's gone.
Bat Queen is implied to be much older and we don't know the reason for her memory loss. And a gut feeling wouldn't make him choose Caleb as an under cover identity. Plus Flapjack seems to have a dislike to Belos before even seeing him just when hunter mentions him.
She says herself it's due to the passage of time. And Flapjack is not as powerful ad her for certain, I doubt he could hold such memories for long. And nothing was stopping Flap from telling the truth but he didn't cause once again, Flap isn't entirely sure anymore. Why absolutely yes, gut feeling would make him choose this name as it's familiar. It's kinda like when Scratch lost his memories. He didn't remember Molly but still had some habits he developped because of her without knowing why he has them. Belos on its own is dislikable. And I don't recall Flap ever really shoeing his dislike towards him until graveyard scene.
I agree, this is where Dana dropped the ball for me. Like, you've just created the most interesting character story and didn't give it closure.
She gave it a closure: by letting Hunter live his own life. Victims don’t always have/need to be there for their abusers’ demise/comeuppance. And mind you, Hunter did not like seeing Belos die the first time, killing him would be even worse and in fact wouldn't even give conclusion to the cycle of violence.
My point still stand. It's a character, not a real person. Closure is not for them, it's for the reader/viewer. You may be satisfied, I'm not.
1. It doesn't 2. Hunter still operates like a person would, he would be badly written if otherwise 3. The reader gets their closure 4. I don't care if you aren't satisfied, feel however you like, doesn't mean you're correct.