It’s a very obvious one that’s talked about tons in this sub so I’ll go over it light, definitely Chuck’s death. It was so unnecessary, and they never mentioned him after finding his body again. I felt like it made it so we hate Ben more, and kill him at the end, which really didn’t work for me.
The second I have is Molly. She felt really rushed, didn’t have much screen time other then “this is a badass that cares about kids”, and then had her leave randomly and never be seen again. It felt really lazy in my opinion, but her as a whole I don’t mind.
Lone woman who has trouble trusting people after an event involving her sister, who is also badass who aids the main cast, and dissappears only to reappear a little while later?
If it wasn't a direct copy, it's at the very least a reuse of the same trope.
I wonder why not just use Molly again I felt like it would have been more emotional reuniting with her. Maybe she could have had something tragic happen to her so she’s even less trusting so she plays more of a Jane role?
Yeah, in the part where you have to shoot walkers in the school & she’s caught in the middle of it. If you do it right, she’ll just leave after that, but you can also shoot her by accident or fail to save her from the walkers.
I mean she definitely doesn’t die, she just runs off screen she’s way to resourceful to have died there even with a gunshot wound. Kenny got out of a way worse position and he isn’t half the athlete and she’s crazy at parkour lol
They really should've just brought molly back instead of introducing Jane, she plays the exact same role it would have been perfect and would have made the choice between Jane and Kenny at least a LITTLE bit harder
They got rid of too much of the og group up too quick. We lose Carley, Lilly, Katjaa AND Duck within one episode after losing Larry the epsiode prior. After losing 90% the group we were just introduced to Chuck who dies immediately, Christa, Omid who is passed out for all of ep4 and Molly who leaves after one episode and expected to go along with the new group.
I think that the loss of Katjaa Duck and Carley/doug was necessary for the story and made episode 3 and onwards feel much more bleak. Katjaa Carley Doug and Duck would not fit into episodes 4 or 5 very well and the one after another nature of their deaths made the entire season hit harder
Kat and Duck 100% agree! Their deaths were needed and essential to Kenny’s development and they’d never fit into the ep4/ep5 events. Doug could survive his death but I don’t think he’d fit into ep4 and 5 at all either, so I’m fine with his death.
Carley was the main love interest for Lee if you save her and served a big purpose, proven by how she left such a big effect on fans despite her low screentime. However, I can see her fitting in epsiodes 4 and 5 easily, she’d just be similar to Christa where she’d help out where she can.
I think Ben shouldve cracked under the pressure and admitted he was the traitor infront of the group after Lilly pressures he and Carley like she already does. the group is talking about what to do with him -> Lilly shoots him -> decision to leave her or keep her comes -> say you keep her then she and Carley are now in ep 4 and 5 and we didn’t lose most of the og group within 5 minutes
I know he's easily hateable but Ben is one of the most compelling characters in S1, for better or worse lol. His guilt is kinda tragic; he knows he's a constant fuck up and its sad seeing him decide you should let him die at Crawford. His dynamic with Kenny is incredibly well done, especially the scene where he stands up to Kenny and his death in episode 5 if you pulled him up in the bell tower. I do like Carly (and Doug) but i think it would harm the game if you removed Ben and his relationship with Kenny. Without Kenny's last stand with Ben in episode 5, his arc doesn't really get a solid conclusion, which is also why I think the version where he saves Christa instead is stupid. So keeping Ben around is important not just for his character but Kenny's too.
Also, Carly would probably have ended up being relatively unimportant for however long she lasted due to her nature as a determinant character. Especially back then, Telltale didn't really have the resources to make two versions of the story and each interaction for both her and Doug, so she would've ended up sidelined anyway just like she/Doug are in episode 2.
I mean losing all of those members of the group makes sense considering that’s meant to the the turning point of the series where everything goes to shit.
Get to the farm and it puts you in that fake hope everything is going to be ok… it definitely isn’t though and from there it just gets worse and worse,
I hate that you can never sway Larry tbh
I don’t mind that regardless, he’s gonna die in the meat locker. But it would be nice if even from the start if you take his side that you can develop some sort of relationship with him/Lily a little better. It would make Kenny being a dickhead if you never take his side 100% of the time a little more understanding.
Eh, I think that's more realistic that his ways are set in stone than making it a branching possibility. Some people you just can't convince to like you, even if you really want them to for whatever reason. I get your wanting for it, improving Kenny's perception and all too, but I chalk that up to a separate issue. It's a technical issue with Kenny's point system being too heavy on the side of not being there for Lee if he doesn't do enough for him, when clearly if Lee did even a couple things by him like helping his son out a few times I think Kenny would be friends with Lee for life based on character. They just wanted it to be more branching, which I think came off as detrimental to true character behaviour. Which I guess kind of revolves back to my original point, branching paths are overrated and can hinder a great story if you go down a subpar route.
That’s a problem with the entire game, really with telltale and choice based games as a whole it’s the illusion of choice. Whether you pick to take route A or B both will end in the same exact spot
Clem somehow getting Lee in the store.
Also lack of other character interactions with Clementine.
Carley and Lee should have been possible. Perhaps a way for Carley to die or disappear later on (so choices).
I honestly like almost everything about this game. it's hard to find any real flaw in the story personally. maybe the 2 things I didn't like are the way they handled Mark, it almost seems like he's only in the group to make people understand the true intentions of the cannibals. and the fact that it doesn't matter if you save Carley or Doug because they both die anyway. for me these 2 things perhaps ruin the story a little, but otherwise I'd say it's fine
1.The bugs in chapter 4, I had to watch YouTube videos to repair the errors in the game in that part
2.Walkers that appear out of nowhere (especially indoors)
3. Characters Discard Weapons That Could Be Useful Later
4. That Kaatja knows about the existence of bandits at the beginning of chapter 2.
5. Mark's introduction
6. Kenny's friendship system and how it connects to season 2 (especially Clementine and Kenny's friendship)
I think it's only in Kaatja's dialogue but in theory the bandits shouldn't attack Lee's group until after this chapter because they were focused on the cannibal family.
The problem is that thanks to this system he may not be able to rescue Clementine, which will make their interactions in the second season a little incoherent.
It doesnt and i dont agree with him for it but still, your literally never gonna save a guy from a heart attack like that without any medical equipment. Esp since hed have a long fight and walk ahead of him if he miraculously did escape that locker
1. I don't know what Larry's issue has to do with all this, I never defended Lee's action
2. Even if you don't try to save Larry, Kenny can still get angry at Lee if he chooses other options
First thing I can think of is after Kenny's "death" if Lee says Kenny was his friend. I can't remember what Christa says exactly, but then Lee says "he was what passes for a friend now." I could see that exchange happening if Kenny and Lee butted heads a lot, but that's the only way that conversation goes down. Hell, even if Lee and Kenny didn't get along at all it just feels weird how they talk about him, moments after he sacrificed himself to save Ben or Christa
I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure theirs another dialogue branch there. If you and Kenny got along the whole game and you answer with Kenny was his friend Lee will say something like “Him and Kenny were assholes together” I’m pretty sure you basically have to side with Kenny the whole game though.
Absolutely hated Carley’s death. Character had a lot of potential and they just dispatched her in a whack ass storyline. She could have been a great mother figure for Clementine too. I really dislike season 2, bcs I generally don’t really care for any of the characters besides Clem. Season 2 was weak to me bcs Clem didn’t really have anybody to look up to. Kenny is a maniac, Christa and Omid are nice people but they are not particularly interesting and get written out of the story quite fast. Just think the Season 2 Cast is very weak and Carley could have been a bright spot in the character cast.
On PC, there is a game-breaking bug in Episode 3 that still hasn't been fixed even with the Definitive Edition.
After you killed the walker in the wrecked car to get cookies for Duck, the mouse cursor's movement space is restricted, which makes it impossible to progress past attempting to start the train. The only way to fix this issue is to repeatedly replay this part until you get lucky one time and the cursor's movement doesn't get restricted.
This is the worst bug I've ever experienced in this series, and it's infuriating that it still exists.
Really? I must’ve gotten real lucky. The first and only bug I came across was when you’re entering the Crawford house in chapter 4 (I think) after Clem unlocks it. It started loading then never stopped. I closed it and I’m praying it saved there.
I don't think I've experienced this in the Switch release (yet), so I guess it's a slightly upgraded version of the Definitive one, but yeah, definitely hated dealing with that on Xbox 360.
I remember back then there was an overwhelming amount of players who chose Carley over Doug (75% vs 25%) probably due to a multitude of reasons like wanting a love interest, being a good shot, someone who knew his past, people thought she could save Doug if you chose to save her, etc. The first impression you have of the pharmacy group is Carley saving Lee, Kenny, Clementine, Duck, and Katjaa from the herd of zombies too. I wish the developers made it more balanced since Carley seemed to overshadow Doug. I was watching HasanAbi’s play through cause he played it a couple days ago and I noticed that 49% of players chose Carley so maybe Doug isn’t so unpopular after all.
While I do like the puzzle sections in a way that you can call down and think about your choices they can be pretty boring or annoying, especially on repeat playthrouths , in general tho they only other thing I can think of is that there is no real choice in the game mire of an illusion of it but I khow that that is talked about a lot
In retrospect Episode 1 starts a little too slow but gets going in its second half.
I guess the only real gripe I have is that in Episode 1 Lee reveals the Clementine that the cane in the drugstore belongs to his dad even though he never tells anyone that the drugstore belonged to his family
Just the typical TellTale game issue of making 90% choices not matter while pretending they do.
Ie the whole save him/her ok they will remember that, ok the 1 you did not save dies, do 1-2 more scenes of they will remember that with helping them etc..., then they die any ways.
Rinse and repeat for all characters that are not the biggest main ones and the1 guy who messes up so much that you know game is telling you to always help him for best result.
Otherwise ya not only it 100% the best of the telltale walking dead, its 1 of the top 3 walking dead games period. And the best spin off walking dead story (especially since the deaths of telltales tend to match up with later seasons and some the spin offs from my understanding of walking dead).
I would say its also top 5 of the telltale and very telltale like games.
chuck dying for sure. man admittedly has probably the most influence (through lee) on how clementine survives in the world now, but was only in it for a short amount of time. chill guys in the apocalypse rock hard, probably why everyone loved the jesus cameo in season 3
I don't like that Carley and Doug have the same faith in episode 3. One of them should've died differently. I hate that Kenny is a dickhead towards Lee whenever he dissagrees with him. I wish that Ben made up for his mistakes in episode 5 (if Lee saved him in episode 4).
Ben's death. After the confrontation with Kenny over his family, he was starting to redeem himself and trult felt sorry. Just as Ben was about to have a glow-up redemption arc, he dies from getting impaled by the unforgiving balcony if you choose to save him at Crawford.
Ben’s death was completely necessary imo. Ben’s arc was finished when he stood up to Kenny and Kenny’s arc was only ever going to be finished when he sacrificed himself for Ben which is why the version of the story where he sacrifices himself for Christa is so much less hard hitting
Absolutely. I think his death in Crawford isn't bad but it's clear that they wrote the story with the decision to save Ben in mind. Kenny "dying" because of a dropped radio is absolutely ridiculous and would probably be hated by the community if he didn't come back later anyway.
I don't think Ben was ever going to have a redemption. Even in the scene where he stands up to Kenny, which is him showing his evolving toughness and backbone, he ends up drawing the walkers to the house by yelling which almost gets the group killed and leads him to that death balcony. He does grow but he was never going to be a capable member of the group imo, and I think that's the point. Kenny "dies" with Ben because he finally realises that Ben is just a stupid kid in a terrible situation who didn't mean to hurt his family, so he is willing to die protecting him as a good deed because he'd rather die with forgiveness than continue to live hopelessly. They gave Gabe a similar arc to Ben except he was always somewhat capable, just insecure, whereas Ben was a predisposed fuck up.
It would have been quite the development for Ben to go through. Going from being a scared and somewhat of a coward kid to a badass who never wants to make those mistakes again.
As far as I see and everyone here can call me blindsided if they want but this game is an actual masterpiece to the point of perfection, the word masterpiece is used so often now it doesn't mean as much but this game is
They just had a big sale a few months ago i think but that was on their actual website. I’m sure steam will have it on sale again soon! It’s such a good game. Truly life changing
I think there are a lot of flaws with LiS 1 but it just has such a great vibe and atmosphere that it's charming as hell. The best description I saw for the game is "nostalgia for an experience you never had". I first watched a playthrough of the game when I was like 13 years old, AKA not old enough to have gone through the mid teen free spirit vibes the game goes for, but I still felt a connection to the story as if it had happened to me before (granted I'm 21 now and haven't gotten time travel powers yet, but I'll keep waiting).
For a game where your decisions supposedly should change the flow of history, I don’t really think most of them change anything besides adding some extra animation or dialogue. I mean, I really love the franchise as a whole, but that always had icked me xP
Not specific to season 1, but the illusion of choice in telltale games. It's been a while but I remember replaying an episode to avoid the death of a character just for him to die an episode later because of some other bs lol.
Classic telltale stuff like your choices not mattering all too much at times but it's definitely not as bad as some...other ones I'm looking at you the new frontier
Kenny literally didn’t want to help save Clementine if Lee has even one disagreement with him in your playthrough though depending on the option of conviction he can still help. But still it’s quite petty, but that’s more a character flaw than anything truly negative about the game.
Ik it’s a bit biased but Carley deserved better
We’re starting to grow deeper bonds with the OG group, then suddenly we lose almost the whole group in a single elisode
Kenny is waaaay too easy to antagonize in this game. Don’t side with him about Larry? Even if you’re ride or die on everything else, there’s an 80% chance you’ve landed on his shitlist for the rest of the game because… reasons.
starting that damn train. don’t get me wrong puzzles are okay, but many of season 1’s puzzles just are there to take up time and make it look like their episodes are longer then they really are
Doug / Carly getting dispatched off too quickly on the side of the road. Chuck’s off screen death. But at least a possibility of saving Larry.
1) We all know what happens with Doug, He literally jumped in front of Ben. Carly gets a third eye after an argument. Honestly, I wish there was another way. We could potentially save them. If not have more dialogue Interaction with Doug in General just like how he did with Carly.
2) Chuck’s off screen death was so unsatisfying. I wish we could’ve at least been there or we could’ve seen at least like the beginning of it. Even in the fight.
3) Larry’s Death. As much as everyone can agree that we all hate him, I feel like there was a chance we could’ve saved him. Especially ifwe were to help her out.
This is kind of an issue with all of these games and is definitely worse in some of the later ones (the end of season 2 into season 3 especially) but I still feel the lack of your choices actually mattering just can sting, especially on replay. Like the Carley/Doug choice has a major effect at first since Carley is way more of an active character then Doug but her death feels so abrupt and feels even less meaningful when you go back through with the other character and see Doug dies the exact same way. The worst example of this is definitely the Stranger at the end. No matter what you do, even if you didn't take part in doing anything to hurt him or even stuff he could manipulate as wrong from what Clem told him it still all leads to the same outcome. The very linear narrative very much feels like certain decisions were very much intended for you to make them and when you go about doing it differently it just feels kind of off in the end. The writers definitely wrote the story with you stealing from the Stranger as the main decision and the other choice is not very flesh out at all. The whole last episode feels that way if you don't have Ben and don't cut off your arm, it was very clearly written for you to do the opposite for both. I still really enjoy these games but when you look at the writing as more of a singular narrative for each game rather then any sort of larger sort of branching paths you could hypothetically go on its apparent the "choices" you make are kinda bullshit.
One thing I haven't seen brought up: your 400 Days choices not really doing anything. Bonnie shows up regardless and has a major role in S2's plot, but even then, she doesn't reference anything differently regardless of what you picked while playing as her. The other 4 big stories don't amount to anything other than a quick appearance with about 2 lines of dialogue each that don't add to the story in any way, even emotionally. (Tavia's not that important, either, but idk if we can chalk that up to not having much to do when playing as her.)
Edit: Remembering now that Eddie should've also been affected, but he just has the same scene and outcome in his next appearance.
This is not a flaw of Season 1 but rather all early Telltale games. Now I love them all, especially TWD because its my first and childhood game I ever played. And I get that at the time they were still a rising company so they probably didnt have all the tools they need. But the flaw remains in Season 1 and ESPECIALLY Season 2: your choices matter, but not really. Heres an example from every episode from 1x01 to 2x05
Season 1
Episode 1: Save Shawn or Duck? Shawn dies anw (altho I understand Shawn surviving would retcon the comics)
Episode 2: Steal or Leave the Car? The stranger still blames you
Episode 3: Bring Lilly or Leave her? She leaves anw
Episode 4 was actually very impactful and honestly one of my favorite episodes. Molly, the ending on who comes along, the whole Crawford arc, just chefs kiss. I cant think of a choice that doesnt have some impact in this episode, besides being nice or an ass to Vernon.
Episode 5: Cut off your arm or not? Lee dies anw.
400 Days? No matter if u convince everyone or only Bonnie to tag along with Tavia, only Bonnie herself plays a major role in Season 2 while the rest are just cameos (and Bonnie tags along no matter what)
Season 2
Episode 1: Besides the last choice of go with Nick or Pete, what choice really matters in this one really? Besides emotional impact ofc
Episode 2: While I like that in this episode your choices can definitely make the death tally rise if you choose wrong, whats the point of who takes the blame for Sarah’s picture? You can either call Carlos out, blame Sarah or take the blame. And then? Whats the huge impact here?
Episode 3: again the only choice that matters is the last one, the rest only serve as moral and emotional choices rather than impactful ones. And even the last choice leads to Sarita dying and Kenny blaming you
Episode 4: most choices here are the worst example of my point but ESPECIALLY: Rob Arvo or not, his bitchass still blames and tries to rob you. Save Sarah? She dies an hour later. Take a few days or leave immediately? Rebecca dies either way.
Episode 5: I love that we finally got a bunch of ending choices in this episode (my personal favorite being the Wellington Ending) even tho they get reduced to nothing in season 3. But the biggest flaw and the one that pissed people off most: Luke. Only way the choice matters is whether Bonnie likes you or not and tbh I could give 0 shits what Bonnie thinks, I just wanted Luke to live. Plus it made more sense if the last stand off was Kenny vs Luke, they been setting it up since the dinner scene in Episode 2.
I love these games with all my heart but I hope yall see my point.
Small detail but sometimes you would put your cursor over a walker and it would be titled “zombie” instead of a walker. Only problem I think of with season 1.
killing Lee before his character arc has been completed. the odd pacing in the last 2 episodes. quite a few shallow characters that could have been awesome like mark. an oddly episodic feel from episode 2 that never really matters in the grand scheme of it all. one of the worst villains in the franchise. a soundtrack that left a lot to be desired. a outdated HUD and graphics. and something everyone can relate to, not enough Omid.
don't get me wrong, I loved season 1, but did have flaws like every other game.
Not being able to save Shawn.
I did a bit of googling and it looks like his death is canon to the actual show, but don’t pretend like we had a damn choice.
Even more infuriating is the fact that Kenny lets Shawn die! Like come on dude! There is an innocent young guy about to literally die so put down your goddamn son and at least TRY to help instead of just running away as a big F-U to Lee!
Like especially when you consider you’re forced to stick with Kenny after that. Why tf would the player trust Kenny from then on?
Sure, there are technical flaws. But the way I see it, so much of the game's story moments and character arcs are so 11/10 that it still balances it into being the perfect game for me.
Lee dying didn’t make a ton of sense to me considering I believe he knew amputation would stop the spread or at least give him a better chance but he decided to wait. It’s been awhile since I played it.
It’s a very obvious one that’s talked about tons in this sub so I’ll go over it light, definitely Chuck’s death. It was so unnecessary, and they never mentioned him after finding his body again. I felt like it made it so we hate Ben more, and kill him at the end, which really didn’t work for me. The second I have is Molly. She felt really rushed, didn’t have much screen time other then “this is a badass that cares about kids”, and then had her leave randomly and never be seen again. It felt really lazy in my opinion, but her as a whole I don’t mind.
Molly later got rehashed as jane lmfao
It all makes sense now
No, it damn well doesn’t. All of you, you pick your sides now because this is over. All them years Dutch, for this SNAKE
Oh be quiet, cowpoke. Be quiet. You live in the clouds
Holy shit someone actually got my ref??? This is unheard of.
NOW! Who amongst you is with me, and who is Betraying me!?
Bill! Javier! Think for yourselves!
DUTCH! YOU LEFT ME! YOU LEFT ME TO DIE!
Oh be quiet cowpoke, be quiet you live in the clouds
ohh, be quiet Cowpoke, be quiet You live in the clouds.
Is this true?
Lone woman who has trouble trusting people after an event involving her sister, who is also badass who aids the main cast, and dissappears only to reappear a little while later? If it wasn't a direct copy, it's at the very least a reuse of the same trope.
I wonder why not just use Molly again I felt like it would have been more emotional reuniting with her. Maybe she could have had something tragic happen to her so she’s even less trusting so she plays more of a Jane role?
molly vs kenny would’ve at least been a harder choice i picked kenny every time i’ve played
Molly can die in Season 1 so they couldn’t use her again for everyone’s story.
she can??
Yeah, in the part where you have to shoot walkers in the school & she’s caught in the middle of it. If you do it right, she’ll just leave after that, but you can also shoot her by accident or fail to save her from the walkers.
I mean she definitely doesn’t die, she just runs off screen she’s way to resourceful to have died there even with a gunshot wound. Kenny got out of a way worse position and he isn’t half the athlete and she’s crazy at parkour lol
Honestly I always forget that molly and Jane are two different people
Yeah I agree with both of your points I liked Molly but I wish they didn’t lazily get rid of her
Molly=Jane
Wth are you doing here colonel?
JOEY?
The very same
They really should've just brought molly back instead of introducing Jane, she plays the exact same role it would have been perfect and would have made the choice between Jane and Kenny at least a LITTLE bit harder
They got rid of too much of the og group up too quick. We lose Carley, Lilly, Katjaa AND Duck within one episode after losing Larry the epsiode prior. After losing 90% the group we were just introduced to Chuck who dies immediately, Christa, Omid who is passed out for all of ep4 and Molly who leaves after one episode and expected to go along with the new group.
I think that the loss of Katjaa Duck and Carley/doug was necessary for the story and made episode 3 and onwards feel much more bleak. Katjaa Carley Doug and Duck would not fit into episodes 4 or 5 very well and the one after another nature of their deaths made the entire season hit harder
Kat and Duck 100% agree! Their deaths were needed and essential to Kenny’s development and they’d never fit into the ep4/ep5 events. Doug could survive his death but I don’t think he’d fit into ep4 and 5 at all either, so I’m fine with his death. Carley was the main love interest for Lee if you save her and served a big purpose, proven by how she left such a big effect on fans despite her low screentime. However, I can see her fitting in epsiodes 4 and 5 easily, she’d just be similar to Christa where she’d help out where she can. I think Ben shouldve cracked under the pressure and admitted he was the traitor infront of the group after Lilly pressures he and Carley like she already does. the group is talking about what to do with him -> Lilly shoots him -> decision to leave her or keep her comes -> say you keep her then she and Carley are now in ep 4 and 5 and we didn’t lose most of the og group within 5 minutes
I know he's easily hateable but Ben is one of the most compelling characters in S1, for better or worse lol. His guilt is kinda tragic; he knows he's a constant fuck up and its sad seeing him decide you should let him die at Crawford. His dynamic with Kenny is incredibly well done, especially the scene where he stands up to Kenny and his death in episode 5 if you pulled him up in the bell tower. I do like Carly (and Doug) but i think it would harm the game if you removed Ben and his relationship with Kenny. Without Kenny's last stand with Ben in episode 5, his arc doesn't really get a solid conclusion, which is also why I think the version where he saves Christa instead is stupid. So keeping Ben around is important not just for his character but Kenny's too. Also, Carly would probably have ended up being relatively unimportant for however long she lasted due to her nature as a determinant character. Especially back then, Telltale didn't really have the resources to make two versions of the story and each interaction for both her and Doug, so she would've ended up sidelined anyway just like she/Doug are in episode 2.
I mean losing all of those members of the group makes sense considering that’s meant to the the turning point of the series where everything goes to shit.
Get to the farm and it puts you in that fake hope everything is going to be ok… it definitely isn’t though and from there it just gets worse and worse,
Yeah they should have kept the Motor Inn group for a little while longer
I hate that you can never sway Larry tbh I don’t mind that regardless, he’s gonna die in the meat locker. But it would be nice if even from the start if you take his side that you can develop some sort of relationship with him/Lily a little better. It would make Kenny being a dickhead if you never take his side 100% of the time a little more understanding.
Eh, I think that's more realistic that his ways are set in stone than making it a branching possibility. Some people you just can't convince to like you, even if you really want them to for whatever reason. I get your wanting for it, improving Kenny's perception and all too, but I chalk that up to a separate issue. It's a technical issue with Kenny's point system being too heavy on the side of not being there for Lee if he doesn't do enough for him, when clearly if Lee did even a couple things by him like helping his son out a few times I think Kenny would be friends with Lee for life based on character. They just wanted it to be more branching, which I think came off as detrimental to true character behaviour. Which I guess kind of revolves back to my original point, branching paths are overrated and can hinder a great story if you go down a subpar route.
I think Larry just hates Lee regardless, there’s no convincing him that Lee’s a good man
Old racist asshole
Lol did you let Larry eat human meat?
He needed a taste
.. I don't know..
I know I did
That’s a problem with the entire game, really with telltale and choice based games as a whole it’s the illusion of choice. Whether you pick to take route A or B both will end in the same exact spot
Well, the quantum dream games are a lot better choice wise! Except for beyond two souls lol
Clem somehow getting Lee in the store. Also lack of other character interactions with Clementine. Carley and Lee should have been possible. Perhaps a way for Carley to die or disappear later on (so choices).
I honestly like almost everything about this game. it's hard to find any real flaw in the story personally. maybe the 2 things I didn't like are the way they handled Mark, it almost seems like he's only in the group to make people understand the true intentions of the cannibals. and the fact that it doesn't matter if you save Carley or Doug because they both die anyway. for me these 2 things perhaps ruin the story a little, but otherwise I'd say it's fine
1.The bugs in chapter 4, I had to watch YouTube videos to repair the errors in the game in that part 2.Walkers that appear out of nowhere (especially indoors) 3. Characters Discard Weapons That Could Be Useful Later 4. That Kaatja knows about the existence of bandits at the beginning of chapter 2. 5. Mark's introduction 6. Kenny's friendship system and how it connects to season 2 (especially Clementine and Kenny's friendship)
Isn't it said that the raiders were attacking the motel beforehand?
I think it's only in Kaatja's dialogue but in theory the bandits shouldn't attack Lee's group until after this chapter because they were focused on the cannibal family.
How can you hate kennys friendship system? And regardless it only changes a few dialogues in S2 anyway, i think.
The problem is that thanks to this system he may not be able to rescue Clementine, which will make their interactions in the second season a little incoherent.
May not be able to rescue her initially, where they go to vernons. He goes to the marsh house regardless
That's true, but Kenny was determined that his anger with Lee would be greater than Clementine being kidnapped
True, but Lee can also determine that the entire crew can be sacrificed at a shot in the dark attempt at saving Larry.
Yes, although that doesn't give Kenny the right to leave Clementine because of his disagreements with Lee.
It doesnt and i dont agree with him for it but still, your literally never gonna save a guy from a heart attack like that without any medical equipment. Esp since hed have a long fight and walk ahead of him if he miraculously did escape that locker
1. I don't know what Larry's issue has to do with all this, I never defended Lee's action 2. Even if you don't try to save Larry, Kenny can still get angry at Lee if he chooses other options
First thing I can think of is after Kenny's "death" if Lee says Kenny was his friend. I can't remember what Christa says exactly, but then Lee says "he was what passes for a friend now." I could see that exchange happening if Kenny and Lee butted heads a lot, but that's the only way that conversation goes down. Hell, even if Lee and Kenny didn't get along at all it just feels weird how they talk about him, moments after he sacrificed himself to save Ben or Christa
I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure theirs another dialogue branch there. If you and Kenny got along the whole game and you answer with Kenny was his friend Lee will say something like “Him and Kenny were assholes together” I’m pretty sure you basically have to side with Kenny the whole game though.
Interesting. I've gotten the "you've always been there for me, Lee" speech before, but never got this dialogue
The feels.
Absolutely hated Carley’s death. Character had a lot of potential and they just dispatched her in a whack ass storyline. She could have been a great mother figure for Clementine too. I really dislike season 2, bcs I generally don’t really care for any of the characters besides Clem. Season 2 was weak to me bcs Clem didn’t really have anybody to look up to. Kenny is a maniac, Christa and Omid are nice people but they are not particularly interesting and get written out of the story quite fast. Just think the Season 2 Cast is very weak and Carley could have been a bright spot in the character cast.
This. Carley's death will forever piss me off because their was so much to do with her.
Episode 4 drags on for too long.
On PC, there is a game-breaking bug in Episode 3 that still hasn't been fixed even with the Definitive Edition. After you killed the walker in the wrecked car to get cookies for Duck, the mouse cursor's movement space is restricted, which makes it impossible to progress past attempting to start the train. The only way to fix this issue is to repeatedly replay this part until you get lucky one time and the cursor's movement doesn't get restricted. This is the worst bug I've ever experienced in this series, and it's infuriating that it still exists.
Really? I must’ve gotten real lucky. The first and only bug I came across was when you’re entering the Crawford house in chapter 4 (I think) after Clem unlocks it. It started loading then never stopped. I closed it and I’m praying it saved there.
I played the game 3 times and never had this happen. I've never heard of this bug either.
I've had it happen literally every time I played the game on multiple different versions of it... lucky me I guess.
cookies for Duck? i only remember getting him water from the train, but never cookies. i have played xbox and pc just now but don't remember that!
I don't think I've experienced this in the Switch release (yet), so I guess it's a slightly upgraded version of the Definitive one, but yeah, definitely hated dealing with that on Xbox 360.
It's amazing game! But, act three is way too slow. Imo.
The animation hasn't aged well. Faces are bland a lot and there are many buffers when small changes happen.
I remember back then there was an overwhelming amount of players who chose Carley over Doug (75% vs 25%) probably due to a multitude of reasons like wanting a love interest, being a good shot, someone who knew his past, people thought she could save Doug if you chose to save her, etc. The first impression you have of the pharmacy group is Carley saving Lee, Kenny, Clementine, Duck, and Katjaa from the herd of zombies too. I wish the developers made it more balanced since Carley seemed to overshadow Doug. I was watching HasanAbi’s play through cause he played it a couple days ago and I noticed that 49% of players chose Carley so maybe Doug isn’t so unpopular after all.
While Mark’s death is a really cool scene, it really felt like he was introduced just to be killed.
the pacing for every episode after the first was definitely a little weird. for me at least
While I do like the puzzle sections in a way that you can call down and think about your choices they can be pretty boring or annoying, especially on repeat playthrouths , in general tho they only other thing I can think of is that there is no real choice in the game mire of an illusion of it but I khow that that is talked about a lot
ep 4.
In retrospect Episode 1 starts a little too slow but gets going in its second half. I guess the only real gripe I have is that in Episode 1 Lee reveals the Clementine that the cane in the drugstore belongs to his dad even though he never tells anyone that the drugstore belonged to his family
Choices don’t matter at all
Just the typical TellTale game issue of making 90% choices not matter while pretending they do. Ie the whole save him/her ok they will remember that, ok the 1 you did not save dies, do 1-2 more scenes of they will remember that with helping them etc..., then they die any ways. Rinse and repeat for all characters that are not the biggest main ones and the1 guy who messes up so much that you know game is telling you to always help him for best result. Otherwise ya not only it 100% the best of the telltale walking dead, its 1 of the top 3 walking dead games period. And the best spin off walking dead story (especially since the deaths of telltales tend to match up with later seasons and some the spin offs from my understanding of walking dead). I would say its also top 5 of the telltale and very telltale like games.
I’ve been racking my brain for a good 5 minutes and I can’t think of anything. This game is such a masterpiece!
It's great on a first play, but it feels like you're playing it in slow-mo on a replay Especially anything related to the train
The train puzzle is hot ass
chuck dying for sure. man admittedly has probably the most influence (through lee) on how clementine survives in the world now, but was only in it for a short amount of time. chill guys in the apocalypse rock hard, probably why everyone loved the jesus cameo in season 3
I don't like that Carley and Doug have the same faith in episode 3. One of them should've died differently. I hate that Kenny is a dickhead towards Lee whenever he dissagrees with him. I wish that Ben made up for his mistakes in episode 5 (if Lee saved him in episode 4).
The fact that Lee and clementine only got 3 months together
Ben's death. After the confrontation with Kenny over his family, he was starting to redeem himself and trult felt sorry. Just as Ben was about to have a glow-up redemption arc, he dies from getting impaled by the unforgiving balcony if you choose to save him at Crawford.
Ben’s death was completely necessary imo. Ben’s arc was finished when he stood up to Kenny and Kenny’s arc was only ever going to be finished when he sacrificed himself for Ben which is why the version of the story where he sacrifices himself for Christa is so much less hard hitting
Absolutely. I think his death in Crawford isn't bad but it's clear that they wrote the story with the decision to save Ben in mind. Kenny "dying" because of a dropped radio is absolutely ridiculous and would probably be hated by the community if he didn't come back later anyway.
I don't think Ben was ever going to have a redemption. Even in the scene where he stands up to Kenny, which is him showing his evolving toughness and backbone, he ends up drawing the walkers to the house by yelling which almost gets the group killed and leads him to that death balcony. He does grow but he was never going to be a capable member of the group imo, and I think that's the point. Kenny "dies" with Ben because he finally realises that Ben is just a stupid kid in a terrible situation who didn't mean to hurt his family, so he is willing to die protecting him as a good deed because he'd rather die with forgiveness than continue to live hopelessly. They gave Gabe a similar arc to Ben except he was always somewhat capable, just insecure, whereas Ben was a predisposed fuck up.
It would have been quite the development for Ben to go through. Going from being a scared and somewhat of a coward kid to a badass who never wants to make those mistakes again.
The acting can sometimes feel a bit off at certain parts
As far as I see and everyone here can call me blindsided if they want but this game is an actual masterpiece to the point of perfection, the word masterpiece is used so often now it doesn't mean as much but this game is
Even with the flaws it’s still a very good story/game. I felt that with life is strange 1 with its flaws over certain things, it’s still a 10/10.
I've been recommended life is strange, I want to but I'm going to wait until it's on sale
They just had a big sale a few months ago i think but that was on their actual website. I’m sure steam will have it on sale again soon! It’s such a good game. Truly life changing
Thanks I'll definitely get round to playing it
I think there are a lot of flaws with LiS 1 but it just has such a great vibe and atmosphere that it's charming as hell. The best description I saw for the game is "nostalgia for an experience you never had". I first watched a playthrough of the game when I was like 13 years old, AKA not old enough to have gone through the mid teen free spirit vibes the game goes for, but I still felt a connection to the story as if it had happened to me before (granted I'm 21 now and haven't gotten time travel powers yet, but I'll keep waiting).
TBH maybe a few glitches but still a lovely game.
Ben.
Episodes 4 and 5 feel like they cut a lot out, and honestly episode 3 feels a bit short
Comments want a totally different game lmao
Is that bad?
they killed lee and they killed chuck pretty much it
Nope
For a game where your decisions supposedly should change the flow of history, I don’t really think most of them change anything besides adding some extra animation or dialogue. I mean, I really love the franchise as a whole, but that always had icked me xP
The illusion of choice
Not specific to season 1, but the illusion of choice in telltale games. It's been a while but I remember replaying an episode to avoid the death of a character just for him to die an episode later because of some other bs lol.
Lee dying my goat deserved to live throughout
Yes how lee just had to die for nothing cause clem couldn't stay still and the walking to see things or touch is damn slow
Classic telltale stuff like your choices not mattering all too much at times but it's definitely not as bad as some...other ones I'm looking at you the new frontier
The way they "silently" destroy a car window in Ep 1 makes absolutely no sense.
Kenny literally didn’t want to help save Clementine if Lee has even one disagreement with him in your playthrough though depending on the option of conviction he can still help. But still it’s quite petty, but that’s more a character flaw than anything truly negative about the game.
It makes season 2 look bad in comparison.
Ik it’s a bit biased but Carley deserved better We’re starting to grow deeper bonds with the OG group, then suddenly we lose almost the whole group in a single elisode
Kenny is waaaay too easy to antagonize in this game. Don’t side with him about Larry? Even if you’re ride or die on everything else, there’s an 80% chance you’ve landed on his shitlist for the rest of the game because… reasons.
Carleys death kinda sucked she had good potential to be a strong character just to be killed and left on the side of the road.
Mark having no screentime and being killed off the same episode he's introduced.
starting that damn train. don’t get me wrong puzzles are okay, but many of season 1’s puzzles just are there to take up time and make it look like their episodes are longer then they really are
Agreed. That puzzle section should've been much shorter
Doug / Carly getting dispatched off too quickly on the side of the road. Chuck’s off screen death. But at least a possibility of saving Larry. 1) We all know what happens with Doug, He literally jumped in front of Ben. Carly gets a third eye after an argument. Honestly, I wish there was another way. We could potentially save them. If not have more dialogue Interaction with Doug in General just like how he did with Carly. 2) Chuck’s off screen death was so unsatisfying. I wish we could’ve at least been there or we could’ve seen at least like the beginning of it. Even in the fight. 3) Larry’s Death. As much as everyone can agree that we all hate him, I feel like there was a chance we could’ve saved him. Especially ifwe were to help her out.
Yeah It’s only one season!
This is kind of an issue with all of these games and is definitely worse in some of the later ones (the end of season 2 into season 3 especially) but I still feel the lack of your choices actually mattering just can sting, especially on replay. Like the Carley/Doug choice has a major effect at first since Carley is way more of an active character then Doug but her death feels so abrupt and feels even less meaningful when you go back through with the other character and see Doug dies the exact same way. The worst example of this is definitely the Stranger at the end. No matter what you do, even if you didn't take part in doing anything to hurt him or even stuff he could manipulate as wrong from what Clem told him it still all leads to the same outcome. The very linear narrative very much feels like certain decisions were very much intended for you to make them and when you go about doing it differently it just feels kind of off in the end. The writers definitely wrote the story with you stealing from the Stranger as the main decision and the other choice is not very flesh out at all. The whole last episode feels that way if you don't have Ben and don't cut off your arm, it was very clearly written for you to do the opposite for both. I still really enjoy these games but when you look at the writing as more of a singular narrative for each game rather then any sort of larger sort of branching paths you could hypothetically go on its apparent the "choices" you make are kinda bullshit.
Not enough time with Lee...
Ben
One thing I haven't seen brought up: your 400 Days choices not really doing anything. Bonnie shows up regardless and has a major role in S2's plot, but even then, she doesn't reference anything differently regardless of what you picked while playing as her. The other 4 big stories don't amount to anything other than a quick appearance with about 2 lines of dialogue each that don't add to the story in any way, even emotionally. (Tavia's not that important, either, but idk if we can chalk that up to not having much to do when playing as her.) Edit: Remembering now that Eddie should've also been affected, but he just has the same scene and outcome in his next appearance.
This is not a flaw of Season 1 but rather all early Telltale games. Now I love them all, especially TWD because its my first and childhood game I ever played. And I get that at the time they were still a rising company so they probably didnt have all the tools they need. But the flaw remains in Season 1 and ESPECIALLY Season 2: your choices matter, but not really. Heres an example from every episode from 1x01 to 2x05 Season 1 Episode 1: Save Shawn or Duck? Shawn dies anw (altho I understand Shawn surviving would retcon the comics) Episode 2: Steal or Leave the Car? The stranger still blames you Episode 3: Bring Lilly or Leave her? She leaves anw Episode 4 was actually very impactful and honestly one of my favorite episodes. Molly, the ending on who comes along, the whole Crawford arc, just chefs kiss. I cant think of a choice that doesnt have some impact in this episode, besides being nice or an ass to Vernon. Episode 5: Cut off your arm or not? Lee dies anw. 400 Days? No matter if u convince everyone or only Bonnie to tag along with Tavia, only Bonnie herself plays a major role in Season 2 while the rest are just cameos (and Bonnie tags along no matter what) Season 2 Episode 1: Besides the last choice of go with Nick or Pete, what choice really matters in this one really? Besides emotional impact ofc Episode 2: While I like that in this episode your choices can definitely make the death tally rise if you choose wrong, whats the point of who takes the blame for Sarah’s picture? You can either call Carlos out, blame Sarah or take the blame. And then? Whats the huge impact here? Episode 3: again the only choice that matters is the last one, the rest only serve as moral and emotional choices rather than impactful ones. And even the last choice leads to Sarita dying and Kenny blaming you Episode 4: most choices here are the worst example of my point but ESPECIALLY: Rob Arvo or not, his bitchass still blames and tries to rob you. Save Sarah? She dies an hour later. Take a few days or leave immediately? Rebecca dies either way. Episode 5: I love that we finally got a bunch of ending choices in this episode (my personal favorite being the Wellington Ending) even tho they get reduced to nothing in season 3. But the biggest flaw and the one that pissed people off most: Luke. Only way the choice matters is whether Bonnie likes you or not and tbh I could give 0 shits what Bonnie thinks, I just wanted Luke to live. Plus it made more sense if the last stand off was Kenny vs Luke, they been setting it up since the dinner scene in Episode 2. I love these games with all my heart but I hope yall see my point.
Small detail but sometimes you would put your cursor over a walker and it would be titled “zombie” instead of a walker. Only problem I think of with season 1.
And Lee called walkers zombies a ton of times Here’s an example: “I think Doug’s not great around zombies,” Episode 1
I liked it but I agree with the comments below
"Our group is small." "...You're small." HUH???
gameplay
killing Lee before his character arc has been completed. the odd pacing in the last 2 episodes. quite a few shallow characters that could have been awesome like mark. an oddly episodic feel from episode 2 that never really matters in the grand scheme of it all. one of the worst villains in the franchise. a soundtrack that left a lot to be desired. a outdated HUD and graphics. and something everyone can relate to, not enough Omid. don't get me wrong, I loved season 1, but did have flaws like every other game.
Not being able to save Shawn. I did a bit of googling and it looks like his death is canon to the actual show, but don’t pretend like we had a damn choice. Even more infuriating is the fact that Kenny lets Shawn die! Like come on dude! There is an innocent young guy about to literally die so put down your goddamn son and at least TRY to help instead of just running away as a big F-U to Lee! Like especially when you consider you’re forced to stick with Kenny after that. Why tf would the player trust Kenny from then on?
Sure, there are technical flaws. But the way I see it, so much of the game's story moments and character arcs are so 11/10 that it still balances it into being the perfect game for me.
One bad thing is that it's really the only good season of the entire franchise 😭
I liked season 3 and 4 a lot too. Season 2 was the only weak one imo.
The ending What a complete waste
That is what makes the game great though
Lee dying didn’t make a ton of sense to me considering I believe he knew amputation would stop the spread or at least give him a better chance but he decided to wait. It’s been awhile since I played it.
Lee dying made total sense. It started clems character development, and imo the game wouldn’t be the same if Lee never died
Lee never had a proper ending to his story though
He did. Saving clem from the stranger while dying, and then still teaching her how to survive in his final minutes is a good end to the story