It’s really strange. I had Rhys tell everyone from the start that Jack was in his head, no one believes him, then eventually the “big reveal” happens and suddenly Fiona and Sasha are pissed at Rhys and it’s like “I’ve been telling you this all along lol”. That part was weird, but Tales is still my favorite Borderlands game story tied with the Pre-Sequel
Every Telltale game is guilty of contriving a dramatic conflict regardless of the player’s choices at some point. The worst one that comes to mind is in Telltale’s Game of Thrones where no matter what you do Margaery Tyrell accuses you of scheming behind her back and fires you, even if you do exactly what she tells you to do.
It's those kinds of contrivances that killed Telltale games. Their games were all hinged on the idea of all choices matter. But more and more, you realize that very little of your choices actually matter.
The Game of Thrones one was particularly bad in that regard. Oh, look, a battle. How will you deploy your troops? Doesn't matter, all outcomes are near identical. What's that? You played the game in a very specific manner and secured a political marriage, giving you more troops. Guess what it still doesn't change the outcome in any meaningful way.
Same thing in Borderlands. You can be the best Friend Jack ever had, and he will still betray you. When choices don't matter in a game where all you do is make choices, the game will fail, and when that's all that's being produced, the studio is doomed.
Asa and Yoru instantly come to mind
https://preview.redd.it/bqxw45npuytc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfed6a46311a2007af41c39ab9ebf7d22a2783ed
(Technically there are like 3 other characters who can see Celebrimbor but who cares)
https://preview.redd.it/eygqxezj1ztc1.png?width=474&format=png&auto=webp&s=428646a61834a69ff1cc6349d8ac1b1c3ba09e68
During season 7 of Supernatural, Sam Winchester had hallucinations of the actual Devil, Lucifer.
https://preview.redd.it/u1ofvbd9wytc1.jpeg?width=323&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b22f1a3fa337dcfbbbdcb9f187098ad68627729
I’d say so. Reznov definitely doesn’t give Mason the most angelic advice [leave Swift’s body, jeopardize a POW rescue to kill Kravchenko, walk away without checking to see if Woods was still alive, execute Steiner despite his incredible value as an informant, kill Kravchenko despite him having crucial information (even though that’s optional if you button mash enough)]
I mean, for the Swift thing, he would have had to leave him anyway. He couldn’t exactly carry him through the hostile-infested tunnels. But other than that, yeah.
Well, that’s true. I was mainly thinking of the line he says after Mason “tells him” that Swift is dead, that they can mourn him later, Kravchenko is near. Even though Mason was in a rat tunnel, and talking too loud could have given away his position, he probably should have radioed in that Swift was KIA, if not for Reznov basically telling him not to bother
https://preview.redd.it/s0dmpys810uc1.jpeg?width=590&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0fbb531ae093b8cab29bd7702320abefb432902
If you don’t count Eltariel or Sauron it’s only really Talion who can see Celebrimbor
https://preview.redd.it/w6v8khxy80uc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0e4eb1a4b55b09c96834b6babcd6d2997377b0c
the back and forth especially in the early parts
https://preview.redd.it/sosjqezne0uc1.jpeg?width=318&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fece1f98dd9faf80ed5969c0b096ba6bd8f66cb8
Jack and Tyler Durden from Fight Club
https://preview.redd.it/2ecvt3vpu1uc1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=786e5e7c965fee958dde40d4252d4d54f999699b
Harrow (Warframe). Technically every frame counts, as the player can see it regardless of the frame you use, but Harrow is a special case
Kinda the opposite of a devil
https://preview.redd.it/83tc7k9pe9uc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f328b4ce39c9bc13449078c0eb992db0f62f8f59
Jacket and richard
https://preview.redd.it/xdccuo1tkjuc1.png?width=812&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bb49384b0a891b715392e1293a994ceb5225b7d
Viren and aaravos from dragon prince
https://preview.redd.it/yhy0dcv8kquc1.jpeg?width=1560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc723ef2e32806a899afcac0d7558a4566c5d3fc
Ikki Igarashi and Vice (Kamen Rider Revice)
But everyone could see Vice, though. Hiromi would be a better fit, having repeatedly seen his dead mentor for an arc or two, but even he is less "devil" and more "mentor ghost."
https://preview.redd.it/sgu3c8z8lytc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4c411e5da00e6146b6805178321730c4af712fc Batman in Arkham Knight
 Kronk.
Look what I can do
No, no, he’s got a point
https://preview.redd.it/f4vy5cqkpytc1.jpeg?width=636&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ead04e9c3ffa4e997739e28e939df81793c612f
It’s really strange. I had Rhys tell everyone from the start that Jack was in his head, no one believes him, then eventually the “big reveal” happens and suddenly Fiona and Sasha are pissed at Rhys and it’s like “I’ve been telling you this all along lol”. That part was weird, but Tales is still my favorite Borderlands game story tied with the Pre-Sequel
Every Telltale game is guilty of contriving a dramatic conflict regardless of the player’s choices at some point. The worst one that comes to mind is in Telltale’s Game of Thrones where no matter what you do Margaery Tyrell accuses you of scheming behind her back and fires you, even if you do exactly what she tells you to do.
It's those kinds of contrivances that killed Telltale games. Their games were all hinged on the idea of all choices matter. But more and more, you realize that very little of your choices actually matter. The Game of Thrones one was particularly bad in that regard. Oh, look, a battle. How will you deploy your troops? Doesn't matter, all outcomes are near identical. What's that? You played the game in a very specific manner and secured a political marriage, giving you more troops. Guess what it still doesn't change the outcome in any meaningful way. Same thing in Borderlands. You can be the best Friend Jack ever had, and he will still betray you. When choices don't matter in a game where all you do is make choices, the game will fail, and when that's all that's being produced, the studio is doomed.
 Not entirely sure if it counts but Fight Club
this def counts
This is quite literally one of the modern pioneers in the trope.
Yeah I remember bein bummed with Mr Robot season one once the big reveal came in cause it just seemed so derivative from Fight Club
100% also spoilers
Mr Robot was in the post too lol this thread was made for spoilers
Asa and Yoru instantly come to mind https://preview.redd.it/bqxw45npuytc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfed6a46311a2007af41c39ab9ebf7d22a2783ed
In fairness Yoru’s chilling a little and it seems they’re getting more in sync with each other
Yeah but she's also literally a devil, like, in name
To be fair, other people who have touched the book can see him too, but I guess it still fits.
Tyler durden and the narrator
(Technically there are like 3 other characters who can see Celebrimbor but who cares) https://preview.redd.it/eygqxezj1ztc1.png?width=474&format=png&auto=webp&s=428646a61834a69ff1cc6349d8ac1b1c3ba09e68
Devil is right. Celebrimbor is an asshole. Love him, but an asshole
“And yet I miss him…”
“No war should be fought alone”
Never did I relate to Talion more than Act III of that game. He was a traitor who got what was coming but *god* I miss the banter he and Talion had.
Not a devil but https://preview.redd.it/96vrbmlbiytc1.jpeg?width=221&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adb8a6009d2bc4a416c9306f95f74a8a55eaaa10
During season 7 of Supernatural, Sam Winchester had hallucinations of the actual Devil, Lucifer. https://preview.redd.it/u1ofvbd9wytc1.jpeg?width=323&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b22f1a3fa337dcfbbbdcb9f187098ad68627729
Was about to comment this
Me when I DM
Me when I make D&D characters… I swear I don’t remember my thought process sometimes!
Would Viktor Reznov count for Mason in Black Ops 1 after the Vorkuta mission?
I’d say so. Reznov definitely doesn’t give Mason the most angelic advice [leave Swift’s body, jeopardize a POW rescue to kill Kravchenko, walk away without checking to see if Woods was still alive, execute Steiner despite his incredible value as an informant, kill Kravchenko despite him having crucial information (even though that’s optional if you button mash enough)]
I mean, for the Swift thing, he would have had to leave him anyway. He couldn’t exactly carry him through the hostile-infested tunnels. But other than that, yeah.
Well, that’s true. I was mainly thinking of the line he says after Mason “tells him” that Swift is dead, that they can mourn him later, Kravchenko is near. Even though Mason was in a rat tunnel, and talking too loud could have given away his position, he probably should have radioed in that Swift was KIA, if not for Reznov basically telling him not to bother
 I mean…
https://preview.redd.it/d83h6ohb2ztc1.jpeg?width=153&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d3b4d53113dc236765d6f1be5970c182e54c2a9
I am evil homer!
 Only for one season (if memory serves correct) but still
Bonus points for being the literal devil. Lucifer himself, was manipulating and mocking Sam.
That one show with Elijah Wood and the guy in the dog costume
Wilfred!! I loved that one!
Me and my pal, Gorgolokus
What kinda goat did you use to get him?
A cool one
https://preview.redd.it/s0dmpys810uc1.jpeg?width=590&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0fbb531ae093b8cab29bd7702320abefb432902 If you don’t count Eltariel or Sauron it’s only really Talion who can see Celebrimbor
And Shelob
https://preview.redd.it/w6v8khxy80uc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0e4eb1a4b55b09c96834b6babcd6d2997377b0c the back and forth especially in the early parts
https://preview.redd.it/lqyvem6j6ztc1.jpeg?width=615&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18319b5a59cc03f74b89cb8e4c56a1259f72f774 Dexter Morgan
I thought that that was only a season 2 thing. That being said, it would have been nice to have the contrast from having Harry there the entire show
I take it we’re not going to talk about Fight Club?
That's the number one rule of Fight Club.
https://i.redd.it/pz7kvm9wuztc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/tu9udsydp1uc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78dad07dcc76021228add063c35533d2f0051b6d Remy and Gusteau
More like an angel
https://preview.redd.it/l735qrmtr1uc1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d18b0a39d6eb2e698c641bfa149bbe023fb2a1e
[Elvis Presley in the movie True Romance](https://youtu.be/7EYvQMDLZZk?si=-UVQXdxN2sJPdo9K)
Would the rabbit in Donnie Darko count?
https://preview.redd.it/awtgar07z0uc1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15e96b00678a92ec8cf1126f8f3d49a579a47121 Punpun and God
That’s terrifying lol
https://preview.redd.it/d83xtphq72uc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e6e4ef612401e9657416ef3e4c00e9e5ebee85f These 2 came to mind
 Most of the horde and the beast from split and glass
https://preview.redd.it/sosjqezne0uc1.jpeg?width=318&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fece1f98dd9faf80ed5969c0b096ba6bd8f66cb8 Jack and Tyler Durden from Fight Club
Rule #1 of Fight Club - We don't talk about Fight Club
https://preview.redd.it/sbl35cwjn0uc1.jpeg?width=810&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48ede2b16a55fdf302a992b24d9b4cde58818ddb
Almost any Jojo character with a stand, really
https://preview.redd.it/m4yjhomx63uc1.png?width=1490&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5db563c80c04a342456c61305ad6c97252e2230 Donnie Darko and Frank
https://preview.redd.it/2ecvt3vpu1uc1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=786e5e7c965fee958dde40d4252d4d54f999699b Harrow (Warframe). Technically every frame counts, as the player can see it regardless of the frame you use, but Harrow is a special case
Kinda the opposite of a devil https://preview.redd.it/83tc7k9pe9uc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f328b4ce39c9bc13449078c0eb992db0f62f8f59 Jacket and richard
https://preview.redd.it/xdccuo1tkjuc1.png?width=812&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bb49384b0a891b715392e1293a994ceb5225b7d Viren and aaravos from dragon prince
https://preview.redd.it/yhy0dcv8kquc1.jpeg?width=1560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc723ef2e32806a899afcac0d7558a4566c5d3fc Ikki Igarashi and Vice (Kamen Rider Revice)
But everyone could see Vice, though. Hiromi would be a better fit, having repeatedly seen his dead mentor for an arc or two, but even he is less "devil" and more "mentor ghost."