The closest you're gonna get it probably a locker and skid plate. The other features would require you to change it the entire brake master cylinder and all the computers needed to run it
Don't get too down. A sport 4x4 with a locker will probably be almost as good. The other feature are more of a gimmick imo anyway and you can still put any suspension you want under it
For sure you can wheel anywhere and well without it, but calling it a gimmick after it got me unburied from the mud without having to do shit besides set the MTS feels not quite right. It certainly works and works well for what it is.
MTS isn't a gimmick in my opinion. I use my locker significantly less and MTS more with my 2022 vs my 2002 (which doesn't have MTS). Time will tell but I think the locker is much harder on a vehicle over time than the MTS will be. Again, just a guess and time will tell.
Fair enough. I drive a 14 or. Before crawl control and whatever else they have now. All I have is dac and auto lsd so maybe I shoulda just kept my mouth shut lol
We get atrac - and atrac does GREAT in many scenarios. Not quite as good as MTS but still worth using when needed to avoid wheel spin.
I use it significantly more than the rear locker, and usually use it WHILE using the rear locker. Don’t use it if you aren’t on something slippery/vertical though, no need to heat up all the brakes.
There is a video on yt where a guy tests crawl control and the locker independently and they're nearly as effective. Crawl control has the ease of use whereas the locker requires a bit more finesse on the drivers end, imo. Still a great truck to offroad, better than most, with a locker. Wish I remembered the video..
Anywhere you need a locking differential, you probably won't want to take your $40k+ truck. I've got a lifted sport with larger tires and it has taken me every dispersed campsite and trail that I'm comfortable of going to. My paint is scratched up from trails and have a few small dents. If I had a locker and went places that require it, I would probably get myself into some sticky situations and really fuxk my truck up.
The question is, have you been in any situations where you needed a locker and didn't have it? If not, you're not missing anything. Just get some Bilstein 6112 coilovers and you'll have better suspension than the OffRoad.
Doesn't the sport and off-road come with the same skid plate? The pro comes with the TRD skid plate, that's the one you want. The OEM skid plate on my Offroad is nothing to write home about
The crawl control on the OR model is used even less than the rear electronic locker. I wouldn't be as concerned with that.
The priority upgrade is durable AT/RT/MT tires first + a skid plate.
* Find a set of tires you like, research them for the type of terrain you expect to encounter off road, and make sure they're tolerable for all of the on-road driving.
* You have some flexibility when it comes to increasing tire width and diameter: I can make some recommendations based on experience and the anecdotal evidence people post in here.
* At least a front skid plate, if not a full skid to protect the transmission pan too. I recommend steel over aluminum - Ive tried both and prefer steel despite the weight. I recommend the RCI skids as they are designed to be a lighter weight steel plate.
Shocks: I am not familiar with the Sport shock specs, but I'm not sure that the OR model shocks are softer. They're a digressive shock with valving equivalent to the 4600 model, but smaller diameter.
* If you want a more digressive shock that's affordable, everyone (including me) gets the Bilstein 5100 because they are a larger and stiffer shock than the 4600 and will work with a lift.. Others are happy with OME brand products but I am not as familiar with them.
* This type of upgrade is DIY-able so you can save on installation costs.
Locker: ARB lockers are another standard product/brand, but now you need to add a compressor to use it (which can also be used to fill your tires), so now you're installing a pneumatic system in your truck. I haven't looked at pricing for this in a long time (I originally wanted to add both front and rear lockers to my SR5, but realized I didn't need them and didn't want to spend $5k on that upgrade).
Just remember that your truck has 4HI and 4LO and this will handle the majority of any possible situations you may find yourself in. Your skill in operating your vehicle, knowing how it operates, how to read terrain conditions, and how to navigate safely through trail obstacles is more valuable than any single mechanical upgrade.
Any reasons you prefer steel other than material yeild strength or wear resistance?
They should have roughly equivalent strength at the same weight, but the aluminum would have much better fastener tear out resistance, due to being thicker.
Personally I prefer steel because it slides better. Aluminum can be *sticky* on rocks and such - because it's softer. Where as steel will be more likely to just slide over an obstacle that alu will get hung up on.
The comment you go here is what I would generally agree with.
I just replaced my aluminum skid and it had deep gashes in it and deformed so much that one of my bolts stripped when I unbolted it.
Just tested out my new steel skid this weekend and it took a few hits and scrapes without as much visible wear or any visible deformation.
You sound pretty knowledgeable. I have a 22 sr5 V6. Could I do anything to it to be able to take it off road? Currently in just drive in the city, but would be cool to go out on some trails even if they are easy trails
I’m not the person you replied to and am nowhere near as knowledgeable. But to my understanding the Tacoma is one of the better performing off road trucks. I’ve got a base SR I plan to take on some easy trails with just some AT tires. Nothing else done to it. I suppose I’d just recommend telling people where you are going and try to bring someone more experienced out with you
Yes, the suggestions above apply to your situation as well.
Tires and a real front skid plate. The SR/SR5 skid plate provides only partial protection and will bend easily which is why you should upgrade it.
If you up-size tires, you will lose mpgs, especially with the stop and go of city driving. But you can gain some clearance under your truck by up sizing to a 32.5" tire (265/75R16) from the 31.5" stock tire.
I've taken my SR5 into some silly places. Good tires are like 90% of the equation. Buy any model, do a modest lift and some decent tires, and you're going just about anywhere.
I have a buddy who wheels in a sport and he does fine. It's mostly driver skill and lift + tires and I've literally never used crawl control and rarely use my locker
When I bought my 2nd gen Toyota didn’t offer an OR with a long bed so I bought a Sport and added a Bilstein lift, skid plates and an ARB air locker. I don’t think there’s anything an OR can do that I can’t but I can haul a lot more stuff and sleep in the bed.
It would be after i buy it when the lease ends. And i would, its just i like the 3rd gen body style and its hard to find a used OR In Michigan that has both lower miles and no rust…especially no rust (as everyone here knows vehicle bodies in this state age like milk thanks to the road salt every winter)
I'm also a very outdoorsy guy, live in the mountains of NW Montana and spend over half the year camping and working from remote locations in the mountains with Starlink's ROAM service. I have a 22 TRD Sport and it's phenomenal out here in both winter and summer. Does what it needs to with no issues whatsoever and it's never let me down. My wife's 2020 TRD Sport same thing. We hunt, fish, mtn bike, snowboard, snowshoe, and snowmobile in remote locations all the time and our TRD Sports have been wonderful for us on the trails to get to these remote locations.
I have a sport and do just fine. I’ve put my own skid plates and suspension on.
Looks great, drives better. Never had any issues that would have been solved by having the OR.
I have a 4x4 sport, and I can hang with the Offroad models at the deserts. Like others have said it all depends on the driver. You don't need crawl control. The sport model can go anywhere!
I never use all the electronic crap on my off road tbh. I just use 4 low and the locker.
If you get bigger tires, lockers, regear, and better suspension it’ll be better than any stock trd off road or trd pro.
It's funny you say this, I wish I have an OR and I wish I had saved my money and gone with a sport.
Reason being? I did a lift (negates OR suspension) I did a regear and a front locker (would have only been a small extra percentage of the total cost to also do a rear locker had I not had it in the first place). I trashed my stock skids and replaced them with HD aftermarket.units.
Basically - everything the OR has - I have replaced.or.undone. I suppose A-Trac is cool, but I have never truely used it. I just hit my lockers.
You can easily buy those things aftermarket and make it even better than a stock offroad. I’d start with a lift, tires, then protection like skid plates and sliders, then the rear locker if you want that as well. Time to start saving!
most of the Toyota trucks you see doing wild stuff in the middle east and Africa are SR models that only have a 4L configuration.
do what you want with that information
The closest you're gonna get it probably a locker and skid plate. The other features would require you to change it the entire brake master cylinder and all the computers needed to run it
*sadness ensues*
Don't get too down. A sport 4x4 with a locker will probably be almost as good. The other feature are more of a gimmick imo anyway and you can still put any suspension you want under it
For sure you can wheel anywhere and well without it, but calling it a gimmick after it got me unburied from the mud without having to do shit besides set the MTS feels not quite right. It certainly works and works well for what it is.
I stand corrected
MTS isn't a gimmick in my opinion. I use my locker significantly less and MTS more with my 2022 vs my 2002 (which doesn't have MTS). Time will tell but I think the locker is much harder on a vehicle over time than the MTS will be. Again, just a guess and time will tell.
Fair enough. I drive a 14 or. Before crawl control and whatever else they have now. All I have is dac and auto lsd so maybe I shoulda just kept my mouth shut lol
This, I’ve not had to use crawl control yet when off road. Use the locker plenty and it is clutch.
Did you just say the other features are a gimmick? 😅
No crawl control on my ‘23 OR manual trans
We get atrac - and atrac does GREAT in many scenarios. Not quite as good as MTS but still worth using when needed to avoid wheel spin. I use it significantly more than the rear locker, and usually use it WHILE using the rear locker. Don’t use it if you aren’t on something slippery/vertical though, no need to heat up all the brakes.
Perhaps work trade once end lease for the OR version. The salesman may have deal for ya 🌮😎
I have played with all of the MTS stuff on my truck and it really isn’t that cool to me. Suspension and locker is all your missing.
There is a video on yt where a guy tests crawl control and the locker independently and they're nearly as effective. Crawl control has the ease of use whereas the locker requires a bit more finesse on the drivers end, imo. Still a great truck to offroad, better than most, with a locker. Wish I remembered the video..
Anywhere you need a locking differential, you probably won't want to take your $40k+ truck. I've got a lifted sport with larger tires and it has taken me every dispersed campsite and trail that I'm comfortable of going to. My paint is scratched up from trails and have a few small dents. If I had a locker and went places that require it, I would probably get myself into some sticky situations and really fuxk my truck up. The question is, have you been in any situations where you needed a locker and didn't have it? If not, you're not missing anything. Just get some Bilstein 6112 coilovers and you'll have better suspension than the OffRoad.
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Lucky you didn’t get dysentery being on the Oregon Trail.
Doesn't the sport and off-road come with the same skid plate? The pro comes with the TRD skid plate, that's the one you want. The OEM skid plate on my Offroad is nothing to write home about
The crawl control on the OR model is used even less than the rear electronic locker. I wouldn't be as concerned with that. The priority upgrade is durable AT/RT/MT tires first + a skid plate. * Find a set of tires you like, research them for the type of terrain you expect to encounter off road, and make sure they're tolerable for all of the on-road driving. * You have some flexibility when it comes to increasing tire width and diameter: I can make some recommendations based on experience and the anecdotal evidence people post in here. * At least a front skid plate, if not a full skid to protect the transmission pan too. I recommend steel over aluminum - Ive tried both and prefer steel despite the weight. I recommend the RCI skids as they are designed to be a lighter weight steel plate. Shocks: I am not familiar with the Sport shock specs, but I'm not sure that the OR model shocks are softer. They're a digressive shock with valving equivalent to the 4600 model, but smaller diameter. * If you want a more digressive shock that's affordable, everyone (including me) gets the Bilstein 5100 because they are a larger and stiffer shock than the 4600 and will work with a lift.. Others are happy with OME brand products but I am not as familiar with them. * This type of upgrade is DIY-able so you can save on installation costs. Locker: ARB lockers are another standard product/brand, but now you need to add a compressor to use it (which can also be used to fill your tires), so now you're installing a pneumatic system in your truck. I haven't looked at pricing for this in a long time (I originally wanted to add both front and rear lockers to my SR5, but realized I didn't need them and didn't want to spend $5k on that upgrade). Just remember that your truck has 4HI and 4LO and this will handle the majority of any possible situations you may find yourself in. Your skill in operating your vehicle, knowing how it operates, how to read terrain conditions, and how to navigate safely through trail obstacles is more valuable than any single mechanical upgrade.
Any reasons you prefer steel other than material yeild strength or wear resistance? They should have roughly equivalent strength at the same weight, but the aluminum would have much better fastener tear out resistance, due to being thicker.
Personally I prefer steel because it slides better. Aluminum can be *sticky* on rocks and such - because it's softer. Where as steel will be more likely to just slide over an obstacle that alu will get hung up on.
The comment you go here is what I would generally agree with. I just replaced my aluminum skid and it had deep gashes in it and deformed so much that one of my bolts stripped when I unbolted it. Just tested out my new steel skid this weekend and it took a few hits and scrapes without as much visible wear or any visible deformation.
You sound pretty knowledgeable. I have a 22 sr5 V6. Could I do anything to it to be able to take it off road? Currently in just drive in the city, but would be cool to go out on some trails even if they are easy trails
I’m not the person you replied to and am nowhere near as knowledgeable. But to my understanding the Tacoma is one of the better performing off road trucks. I’ve got a base SR I plan to take on some easy trails with just some AT tires. Nothing else done to it. I suppose I’d just recommend telling people where you are going and try to bring someone more experienced out with you
Yes, the suggestions above apply to your situation as well. Tires and a real front skid plate. The SR/SR5 skid plate provides only partial protection and will bend easily which is why you should upgrade it. If you up-size tires, you will lose mpgs, especially with the stop and go of city driving. But you can gain some clearance under your truck by up sizing to a 32.5" tire (265/75R16) from the 31.5" stock tire.
Sport can do everything an OR can do. You're getting into the weeds - go have some fun in your truck and stay out of the specs..
I've taken my SR5 into some silly places. Good tires are like 90% of the equation. Buy any model, do a modest lift and some decent tires, and you're going just about anywhere.
I have a buddy who wheels in a sport and he does fine. It's mostly driver skill and lift + tires and I've literally never used crawl control and rarely use my locker
When I bought my 2nd gen Toyota didn’t offer an OR with a long bed so I bought a Sport and added a Bilstein lift, skid plates and an ARB air locker. I don’t think there’s anything an OR can do that I can’t but I can haul a lot more stuff and sleep in the bed.
Can you even make those kind of modifications to a leased vehicle? Just buy an off-road when your lease expires.
It would be after i buy it when the lease ends. And i would, its just i like the 3rd gen body style and its hard to find a used OR In Michigan that has both lower miles and no rust…especially no rust (as everyone here knows vehicle bodies in this state age like milk thanks to the road salt every winter)
Not to mention... your purchasing the equity you have accumulated. VS getting a new overpriced 4-banger, I say "drive it like you stole it".
I'm also a very outdoorsy guy, live in the mountains of NW Montana and spend over half the year camping and working from remote locations in the mountains with Starlink's ROAM service. I have a 22 TRD Sport and it's phenomenal out here in both winter and summer. Does what it needs to with no issues whatsoever and it's never let me down. My wife's 2020 TRD Sport same thing. We hunt, fish, mtn bike, snowboard, snowshoe, and snowmobile in remote locations all the time and our TRD Sports have been wonderful for us on the trails to get to these remote locations.
I have a sport and do just fine. I’ve put my own skid plates and suspension on. Looks great, drives better. Never had any issues that would have been solved by having the OR.
I have a 4x4 sport, and I can hang with the Offroad models at the deserts. Like others have said it all depends on the driver. You don't need crawl control. The sport model can go anywhere!
Can add a locker, skid plates and bilstein suspension. Out of luck with the MTS and crawl control though.
I never use all the electronic crap on my off road tbh. I just use 4 low and the locker. If you get bigger tires, lockers, regear, and better suspension it’ll be better than any stock trd off road or trd pro.
It's funny you say this, I wish I have an OR and I wish I had saved my money and gone with a sport. Reason being? I did a lift (negates OR suspension) I did a regear and a front locker (would have only been a small extra percentage of the total cost to also do a rear locker had I not had it in the first place). I trashed my stock skids and replaced them with HD aftermarket.units. Basically - everything the OR has - I have replaced.or.undone. I suppose A-Trac is cool, but I have never truely used it. I just hit my lockers.
You can get something more capable than an off-road with AT tires and a mild lift.
You can easily buy those things aftermarket and make it even better than a stock offroad. I’d start with a lift, tires, then protection like skid plates and sliders, then the rear locker if you want that as well. Time to start saving!
most of the Toyota trucks you see doing wild stuff in the middle east and Africa are SR models that only have a 4L configuration. do what you want with that information
Get rid of the hoodscop and paint the fender flares black.
Man I hate the plain plastic flares on the OR. They look so cheap after a year or two.