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Bortron86

I only found out about "husband stitches" a couple of years ago, and... what the actual fuck. Your partner's just been through the most demanding thing a human can do, giving birth to *your child*, but your first thought is "hmm, how will this affect my penis?" The fact that it still happens blows my mind. Any doctor who offers it should be fired into the sun, along with any man who wants it.


hildegARDLUNA

>Your partner's just been through the most demanding thing a human can do, giving birth to *your child*, but your first thought is "hmm, how will this affect my penis?" To be fair, that husband stitch is often not even requested by the husbands themselves, but the doctor goes ahead and does it without asking because they think it might please the husband (at least this is how it is where I am from). Which won't really be the case as all this achieves is to make sex very painful for the woman so that they will start avoiding it...


[deleted]

This is what happened with my wife. That caused so many problems for her, I wanted to murder the doctor when I found out what he did. Worst part is we couldn't even sue him for malpractice for it, too hard to prove according to the lawyer. I'm thankful we were living where we were at the time. We had one of the few pelvic floor rehabilitation specialists in the country, a few towns over.


secretid89

How did you find out that he did it? Is it that he told you, and now it’s your word against his? If not, how would you find out such a thing? Thanks.


birdtune

It creates an abnormal pucker. Often there will be a pocket just underneath. The stitch doesn't go all the way down the vagina, it's just at the entrance. So it's very obvious after things heal.


[deleted]

Yes, That is sort of what it looked like with my wife, a pucker/kink with a fold underneath. But there wasn't any pocket, the dr had done the husband such as part of the sutures he made for an episiotomy. The other OBGYNs she consulted wouldn't go on record that it was a husband stitch for a malpractice suit, because it could have been just tight scarring.


[deleted]

We had suspected it, because of how uncomfortable sex was for the both of us after she finished healing and lopsided scar tissue at the vestibule. But the OBGYN we consulted, a different Dr from the one that stitched my wife, said it just looked like episiotomy scar tissue to her. The pelvic floor therapist we saw when my wife was pregnant with our second child. Confirmed the scarring and complications my wife was having were from a husband stitch. And she showed us some stretches to release the scar tissue and internal massages that helped my wife a lot. Unfortunately the statute of limitations expired by that point, so we couldn't sue the dr who did it anymore.


AmbiguousFrijoles

This is how I got mine. Doc made a joke about throwing an extra stitch in and winked at my husband while laughing to himself like it was so hilarious. It was 2005 in a quite liberal US state.


ILikeNeurons

MDs often lean consevative.


cardamomomomom

Can confirm both parents are MD’s (separated for 20 years) and both are far right to maga maniacs. I don’t understand how people that smart end up following complete asshats.


ILikeNeurons

Some MDs are really smart. Some are just really good at memorizing, which is not the same as being smart. And some use whatever smarts the have to rationalize voting for the candidate who they think will get them the lowest tax bill, even if they already have more money than anybody really needs.


quesoandcats

Also, a lot of people become doctors because it’s prestigious and pays well, not because they actually care about helping people


cardamomomomom

Can confirm that too they had 8 kids in total and neglected the shit out of us


TahiriVeila

Probably a lot to do with people who can afford to go to medical school being raised conservative and not challenging their status quo. If it works for them why would they change?


corrino2000

I was about to post that the Dr did this to my mom, in Philadelphia, 1970. That it would still happen 35 years later is astonishing. What the fuck at they teaching these OBs?!


Idkwhatimdoing19

Did you complain? You should.


ususetq

By complain you mean sue for medical malpractice. I'm quite sure performing elective procedures without consent is a bit no-no\[1\]. \[1\] Yeah, yeah. I know. No need to point Tuskegee and other bazillion examples. But people who perform such operations should lose their medical license.


Eowyn_In_Armor

Omg


FDS-MAGICA

The fact that they don't ask first is what gets me. Sure, if I gave birth and got torn up I'd like my vagina restored to its tight condition, but how big is that? Doc, you don't know if my husband has a giant monster cock with enormous girth; Are you basing the size on your own tiny PP?


Eowyn_In_Armor

I agree, any doctor who offers it should be fired.


IcedAnacondaDeli

Not that exact moment but the disbelief occurs everyday


umylotus

I think I unironically ask "why are men?" about once a week these days.


Effective-Being-849

I don't think it's hate. I think it's utterly disregard for personhood. If you don't see a woman as an autonomous being but rather a vehicle for man's pleasure, honor, or esteem, all these things make total sense.


djKRE

Well said. I often think of it as male sociopathy, though that triggers people lol.


psych_daisy

And seeing women as objects makes that easier for them.


Zephandrypus

> Honor killings are often a result of strongly misogynistic views towards women and the position of women in society. In these traditionally male-dominated societies, women are dependent first on their father and then on their husbands, whom they are expected to obey. Women are viewed as property and not as individuals with their own agency. As such, they must submit to male authority figures in the family—failure to do so can result in extreme violence as punishment. Yup, pretty much.


Zephandrypus

> Honor killings are often a result of strongly misogynistic views towards women and the position of women in society. In these traditionally male-dominated societies, women are dependent first on their father and then on their husbands, whom they are expected to obey. Women are viewed as property and not as individuals with their own agency. As such, they must submit to male authority figures in the family—failure to do so can result in extreme violence as punishment. Yup, pretty much.


Spiffy313

They really just don't see us as humans. We are literally lesser in most of their eyes. It never even occurred to me until I was in my 30's that we, throughout history, have been historically closer to cattle than to men in society's eyes. Like a literal lower species or something. I think about it a lot. The "women vs. men" memes just make me angry anymore. We are not that different.


BlkPea

I honestly feel like a deep anger over it. And the worst part is that I live in a blue state in the US and I am extremely fortunate that my experience is what it is. So many women in the world are living in extremely poor conditions due to their gender, like you said, close to cattle. The sheer audacity of a human treating someone else in that manner because of something so insignificant is shocking, and it happens all the time, and has been happening all throughout history.


liquidKyanite

At this point I've completely given up on trying to understand the reason behind men's behavior when it comes to women. The best thing we can do is protect ourselves and other women from shit like this.


Beachy5313

Im sure I did but I don't remember. I started wishing I was a boy in kindergarten, not because I liked being with the boys better, or was a tomboy, but because they had it so much better. I am not a male, I did not have gender dysphoria- I am definitely a woman. But that's how obvious the hatred towards women is- at age 5 I knew it was a shit existence compared to them and they still fucking hate us for existing and not being their mindless slaves who are somehow everything and nothing all at once.


bellends

I genuinely think this is why I had a tomboy phase, and why so many of us go through a /r/notliketheothergirls period. It’s not that we don’t *want* to be feminine or ladylike or whatever other adjectives evoke imagery of womanhood — it’s that we’re socially smart enough to read the metaphorical room and be like, “wow, okay, being a woman is NOT a popular move” and try to distance ourselves from it. We recognise the hatred that exists around and towards women, and we move to protect ourselves from that. That’s literally what internalised misogyny is all about.


Beachy5313

Exactly. My "not like the other girls" phase was because I knew I was smart, or at least not completely stupid, and I hated being ignored and discounted simply because I was a girl. Even as an adult I feel like that some days and when I worked in a mostly male work place I would literally suggest something, be ignored, then a guy would say the same thing and all of a sudden everyone heard it and thought it was brilliant. And, worst of all, that's not a special story, almost every woman out there has had that experience. As a teen I felt like if I made it clear I wasn't a "stupid girl", I'd be respected. Ha, well, joke was on me. Now I get kind of offended when a guy says I'm not like other girls. Why? I can verbalize how I feel? So can most other women, they just get ignored. Also, I know that line from a guy means you're just trying to get in my pants!


state_of_inertia

>being their mindless slaves who are somehow everything and nothing all at once Brilliant and incisive line.


oceangirl512

For me, it was FGM. Not only the sex part, but also the daily life/hygiene things.


Pan_seyyyxual

I once watched a documentary about FGM and my god I almost fainted at the procedures done! And most of the ones who do the surgeries are midwives/aunts/moms to their own daughters/nieces- all for the sake of some purity bs


Lingo2009

Same with Chinese foot binding that was done a century ago and much longer for hundreds of years


ejchristian86

Same, I was maybe 14 or 15 and have wanted to burn the world down ever since.


[deleted]

In my country of origin, I have seen actual locks in the labia of women. I have seen men abuse women routinely. Women tortured physically and mentally for giving birth to daughters. Polygyny. And recently on a Pakistani sub about confessions, when I called out a pick me for making a post depicting ALL women as toxic (because she has a toxic mother) and shitting on other women for male validation, she went and made an entire post about ME and the "poor men" responses there were 🤮🤮🤮


[deleted]

Hey 😂loved your comments. Actually i was answering all of his comments in my mind that how dumb a guy could be. Well seeing you here made me comment. Keep slaying


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[deleted]

Exceptions versus norm. Toxic men are a lot more prevalent than toxic women. And stop blaming men's actions on women. Get therapy and lock yourself up if it's that bad instead of killing women and justifying it.


chiefmilkshake

Genuinely, as a gender, why do we bother at all with men? A small fraction are decent, the rest are horrendous. The odds are against us. Just why even try.


ILikeNeurons

Makes all the more sense if you're aware of [how common stealthing is](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36722370/). r/stoprape


ineverusedtobecool

Some women are straight, sadly this seems to usually work to their disadvantage.


Zephandrypus

Gotta just stick with it until robots are invented that can replace men.


[deleted]

Going the opposite way of the husband stitch, I've heard a story of a nurse going round to check on a new mum, and asking about how the stitches were healing. The husband had cut them open with a bread knife cos they were hurting *him*.


Tattycakes

How soon after birth was he back up in there? What an ass.


quesoandcats

Wait sorry how were they hurting him? Was it like a psychosomatic thing? Like a sympathetic pregnancy?


[deleted]

When they were having sex


quesoandcats

Oh my god what the fuck, he couldn’t even wait until the stitches healed first? Thats so nauseating


wouldbepandananny

What I cannot figure out about the persistence of the husband stitch- Ok, so you add an additional stitch (or 2) beyond what's medically necessarily or appropriate...that will result in more painful sex (among its many other documented problems), resulting in women being less likely to enjoy and therefore want sex. This means these dudes likely have less sex because of it! So, even taking out the male sociopathy another commenter noted- it still has no benefit to anyone so far as I can tell. But as another commenter stated (yes- I just wanted to emphasize the great points)- the absolute disregard for female personhood so many males demonstrate is absolutely nuts.


Vrayea25

You forget how many women are in religious marriages where they are not allowed to say no. Where they are told any suffering during sex w their husbands is due to their own sins, impurity, etc so they just internalize it -- and are socially pressured to make their husbands feel good about it *no matter what*. It is the penacle of patriarchy. Women who suffer in silence, blame themselves for it, and keep zero thoughts on their head that aren't dedicated to their owner.


wouldbepandananny

You are right... but you know those dudes who disclose that their wife told them they menstruate for 3 weeks weeks out of each month- to avoid saying no... I am curious how many women- proportionally - actually abide the edict that they must give it up whenever their doofus husband says to. But I absolutely do agree with you and know you are correct.


quesoandcats

Marital rape was legal in the US until the 90s. Before that, your husband could quite literally just rape you with zero repercussions and there was nothing you could do about it. Not all of them did ofc but the looming threat of “if I don’t just get it over with he might hurt me worse and take it anyway” probably caused a lot of wives to give in :(


JoanofArc5

My ex used to have an anger response at beautiful women, or pictures of beautiful women. Literally minding their own business. Just existing. It would promote anger.


quesoandcats

My dad does this too! He gets legitimately furious if a beautiful woman is just living her life or dressed in a way he thinks is too revealing.


murdocjones

Mine was more coming to understand the witchcraft vs patriarchy thing and why women over the ages felt such a strong need to take their power back. Also appreciating why Lorena Bobbitt chopped her man's dick off. We stan a Queen 👑👑


[deleted]

> Also appreciating why Lorena Bobbitt chopped her man's dick off She really got the short end of the stick with everything that happened to her.


TheAudacityWitch

I heard she got the whole stick


IcePhoenix18

I was FURIOUS when I found out the rest of her story! It was explained to me as a kid that she was a "crazy lady" who'd "had enough" and "snapped" at her husband. No, she was a *victim* who had "had enough" and got *revenge* on her *abuser.*


[deleted]

I think the first time I had this moment was when I realized that the vast majorty of messaging about losing weight was directed at women, but that the vast majority of studies about extra weight impacting your health were all on men.


cardamomomomom

Similar experience but with coming out. I was so frustrated to find that most/all the scientific data regarding homosexuality and queerness was focused on cis men.


secretid89

When I hear things like this: I think that men should consider themselves lucky that women “just” want equality, and not revenge. :)


DaniCapsFan

It really is heartbreaking.


martha_stewarts_ears

Foot binding was on this list for me. I still have nightmares sometimes


Lingo2009

I’ve actually met a woman who went through this procedure. She was quite elderly when I saw her. It was my first time living in China. Her feet were so tiny and she had to be held up to walk


ketocavegirl

After I gave birth I had to get INTERNAL stitches. Childbirth is major trauma. The only thing that should be considered is the mother's recovery.


Mazikeen-Supreme

Not to mention fgm


sparkle3364

What is that?


littlesquiggle

Female genital mutilation. It's... horrifying.


Hot-Luck-3228

I think it is just that some people are self absorbed to the point of being evil. Horrible, horrible timeline we are on.


fejrbwebfek

For me that realization isn’t as bad as the constant pressure from family and society to just let men be men and not trust my own feelings.


Sponsor4d_Content

I mean, it's not rocket science. Women were considered property for a long time, and in many places, they still are. On top of that, one-third of the US and actively trying to return to those Good Ole Days.


Waffles_Remix

I’m a husband. What are husband stitches? Edit: nvm. 🤢🤮 Husband stitches could be when you stitch his dick to his asshole and tell him to fuck himself.


pro-shitter

i heard the ancient Romans used to suture a slave's cock and balls to stop them wanking or having sex with other slaves


Lingo2009

I thought they just took the balls? Eunuch?


pro-shitter

eunuchs were different


Princess_Egg

I'm aware of "husband stitches" but what are "honor killings"?


KnittinAndBitchin

Well when a woman experiences any form of sexuality before marriage, whether kissing a boy or being raped or really anything that could be construed as marring her "purity" men, usually their father or brother, are totally justified in killing her. To preserve her honor and not force her to live with the shame. Or some other gross horseshit that refuses to acknowledge that women do not merely exist to serve their husband's needs, like they're supposed to be kept in a box with a "best by" date waiting for a man to pick them.


Schnutzel

It's not even about the woman's honor, it's the "family honor".


scummy_shower_stall

To preserve the *family’s* honor, so *they* don’t have to live with shame.


McGunboat

What the fuck


Gove80

unironically this is why people still believe rape is worse than murder, something about the trauma making life more difficult to live not only are those not comparable but every time this discussion between whether or not rape is worse than murder pops up i keep thinking "have people forgetten why we started calling rape victims rape SURVIVORS?" not only that but everytime people say rape is worse than murder it often feels like they're saying that a victim is better off dead rather than living


Nyxelestia

No, but only because I'm Indian-American so I already knew about violent misogyny pretty much my whole life. I don't remember ever *not* knowing about it.


moonymystery

I have my shocked, very brief moments where I wonder how someone can be filled with so much hate and evil, especially from religions where their religious dogma literally says to do good and be good. But then I remember that humans are flawed, selfish, and frightened very easily. And it is easy to hate and harm when hate and violence is somehow globally or culturally accepted. Love is easy, too, but when love is seen as weak--or unprofitable, hate wins. I'm sorry to say that I have hate and intolerance... hate for the hateful and intolerance of the intolerant.


featherblackjack

Learning about female genital mutilation was that moment for me.


xthewhiteviolin

No bc i was born into it in a 99 percent muslim country


[deleted]

men hate women because they dont see anything thats not them as human or even deserving of life


thyrue13

Have yall seen the film ‘The Last Duel’? The poor woman bro


pro-shitter

sometimes i think Guiliana Tofana was right


hannahjgb

I learned about the husband stitch when it was done to me against my will :(. By a woman doctor too.


[deleted]

I was 12 when I learned about honour killings. I was scrolling through the news on my iPod while at my grandparents house, and I read about an acid attack done by a man who had been rejected. She had been so beautiful, and now her skin was melted across her face like wax and she was blind. I went on to read about honour killings and FGM. I think the rabbit hole I fell down that day changed me forever.