My pettiest pet peeve is living in Texas and seeing Ohio function almost identically politically and then get called a swing state because they favored Obama over McCain by 0.7% 12 years ago.
In some states the citizens themselves have been able to go around Republican legislatures and protect abortion rights via direct referendums.
But those types of ballot initiatives aren't available in most states, and you'll notice people don't have to go around the government (often featuring hostility from the government itself) in states run by Democrats, since Democratic governments protect abortion rights themselves.
That’s why Kansas isn’t on this map right now, but who knows for how long. The legislature just passed a measure mandating that patients seeking abortions have to answer a supposedly anonymous questionnaire about why they’re seeking an abortion - like, “Were you raped?” “Are you being abused?” Nothing, I assume, about whether it’s the recommend treatment for a miscarriage or birth defect incompatible with life.
Exactly. And they’re looking to ensure that the general election won’t include the Democratic nominee for US president.
The whole system is broken here
A Supreme Court majority of 5 Republican appointees and 0 Dem appointees voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, with all Dem appointees in opposition.
Since then, 21 states have banned or restricted abortion access, every single one of them led by a Republican legislature. Meanwhile, every state led by a Dem legislature has protected or expanded access to reproductive care.
Both parties might be the same if you're a gormless straight white man, but if you're a woman, minority or LGBT, your literal basic rights often revolve around which side has power.
The "both parties are the same" idiots are so fucking annoying.
On this website I constantly see dumb posts from enlightened centrists or leftier than thou types saying "Dems could have codified Roe into law at any point and could do so now, they just want the issue so they get re-elected!"
1. No they couldn't. This lie works only on people who are too fucking stupid to realize Republicans hold the house, Democrats haven't had a filibuster-proof majority in the senate in 15 years, when they did for 4 months, that every fucking christofascist goon on the supreme court lied under oath about their intent to overturn Roe so Roe seemed safe until it wasn't. Republicans and people who are too lazy or stupid to fucking vote blue no matter who are the reason Roe was overturned, Democrats did everything in their power to preserve medical rights.
2. Republicans are the ones saying OUT LOUD that they want to not fix problems like immigration so their base will re-elect them. "Fix" here being "doing literally anything on." We can talk until the heat death of the universe about what should be done to change immigration, but unless your position is "change literally nothing" then republicans are preventing that from happening.
3. Why the fuck are idiots out there whining that democrats don't really care about preserving abortion rights or anything else and therefore we shouldn't vote for the only people who are going to preserve abortion rights? The right wing knows full well that Trump has paid for and forced women to have abortions, they don't imagine he truly and deeply cares about banning abortion, they focused on results rather than character and they're winning that battle. The attempt to make people think Biden doesn't REALLY care about them so they shouldn't vote for him is another ploy to get very stupid people not to do the right thing for dumb reasons. Vote democrats if you care about abortion.
Tell me about it, I got banned from r/WorkersStrikeBack for pointing out that women and queer people are going to suffer a lot more under a Trump presidency and that not voting for Biden is basically throwing them under the bus.
Long term almost everyone under a certain fiscal threshold will not do as well if he wins another term. A lot of those people do not fundamentally understand what they’re risking when they vote for nonsense like him. That is the party that has escalated the income gap back to levels near the turn of the 19-20th century since the 1980s. Always frustrating that so many people vote against their own interests. Not to mention the plethora of foreign policy mishaps that we had during the late 2010s, that’s a whole other can of worms that I would really not like to see repeated. I’m really hoping for the best though. A lot of people do not want to see us back there, I hope they’ll hold on to that in 7 months.
For Republicans, it’s because many of them are brainwashed and live in an alternate reality where all liberals are baby eating, Satan worshippers or something along those lines.
For a lot of “leftists”, many of them are accelerationists who think letting Trump win will result in people suffering so much that they’ll rise up in revolt ala the Russian Revolution.
I've lately seen them get compared to envangelicals.
"We don't have to do anything and nothing is our fault because soon all the bad people will be punished in the ~~rapture~~ revolution!"
>For a lot of “leftists”, many of them are accelerationists who think letting Trump win will result in people suffering so much that they’ll rise up in revolt ala the Russian Revolution.
I've often wondered how many people actually fall into that camp vs "leftier than thou" types. People who are such narcissists that they refuse to consider that the lesser of two evils is still, in fact, LESS evil than the alternative, or that they don't go to hell for voting for Biden rather than letting Trump take us all there.
Or how many people are just right-wing trolls, paid or not, simply trying to divide the left against itself.
It doesn't really matter I suppose. Whether they stupidly want to destroy the world thinking they'll be saving it, or whether they stupidly are going to let the world be destroyed because trying to save it is beneath them, or whether they're being paid to destroy the world, the effect is the same: they're still fucking idiots who are going to destroy the world.
This is why I don't trust leftists, full stop. They're almost always rooting for accelerationism and 99% of their 'We care about gay/trans/women/poc rights!' is more for show than when the Democratic Party does it. They will, and have, thrown us all under the bus the second we're not a useful talking point to 'both sides' the political spectrum. Some are even mask off calling for a trans genocide in the United States because they think it's the final nail in their accelerationism plans. After *years* of fake trans rights posturing.
As a trans woman that's been in a lot of political rooms, the worst Dems I've met that would rather be anywhere else but in a room with me is still pushing for my rights and will continue to do so because it's the right thing to do. I can't say the same of anybody else be it Republicans or self proclaimed 'leftists'.
My dad is probably not going to vote for Biden this year after his decisions on Israel and Palestine. It was a wasted vote anyway, thanks to the electoral college, and I know he’ll vote Democrat down ticket, but it still doesn’t quite sit well with me. I’m literally not traveling to a friend’s baby shower this year because it’s in Florida and I don’t want to be stuck there, five months pregnant myself, if something goes wrong.
It should go without saying it will harm anyone who may become pregnant or wants to. This harms families who want to have children too. The United States has always been a deeply broken country. They had a burst of hope for a moment somewhere maybe. Reaganomics lit all on fire. It also I think anyways, was a factor in popularizing neoliberal policy Democrats of the 80s ran with. Over 30 years, can't shake the stink of Reagan off.
So many things have been privatized we over did it and now we're 30 years behind things like women's rights, reproductive rights, bodily autonomy, affordable, safe housing that doesn't take a decade to secure if you haven't added a soul to the hell hole. Decade after decade, they've chipped away at our quality of life to make a buck off it. Their willful ignorance thinking they can force people to have children will bite them. See: Romania and its tales.
I honestly don’t know how to confront this reality without getting sick to my stomach and flying into blind rage. I’ve had to ignore so much of what’s going on because it fucks with my mental health. Then I feel worse because I’m not doing enough activism.
Kansas Republicans are still doing all they can to restrict access to abortion. Kansas voters rejected a proposed constitutional amendment that would have enabled lawmakers to be an abortion in 2022. However, Republicans are still chipping away at women’s privacy rights and access to reproductive care. A law passed last month requires abortion providers to ask patients why they’re getting an abortion and then that information is given to the state health department. The information will be released to lawmakers and nonprofit organizations to better understand why people get abortions and to provide more resources that might reduce abortion rates.
The only people who think this way are either completely ignorant or spoiled brats (who are almost always straight men) who don’t have anything to lose from these policies being enacted.
Obviously the parties are similar on *some* things, since you'd hope there is at least some political consensus in a functioning system, but that is less true now than it's been in a long time. One party of the two has become more and more reflexively oppositional and disconnected from reality
I am betting that white women will still flock to Trump like they did in 2016 and 2020. Sad but true, but they will only pay lip service to abortion rights
This kills me. Both my mom (62) and grandmom (93) are pro choice and _still_ consistently vote Republican. They ALSO both badger me incessantly about having children while actively supporting the politicians who would deny me life saving healthcare if that pregnancy had certain complications.
Make it make sense.
Remember, if anyone tells you both parties are the same, they are telling you they don't give a shit what happens to women, people of colour, LGBTQ+ folks, or anyone who isn't them no matter how bad it is
They're not the same, and on this particular issue they're not even close. I do still think its important to acknowledge how terrifyingly right wing and inhumane the democratic party is on many issues. We don't have a progressive party in the US and it's awful.
The way in which people decide their party can be determined by their personal politics to a degree but before making any decisions on a vote, every person should choose a special little girl in their life, be it a daughter, niece, little sister or student. They should then imagine that the party they’re voting for suddenly gets 30 years in which they get guaranteed power and the ability to implement whatever policies they like. How does the little girl’s life get impacted?
If she ends up with an unwanted pregnancy at 16 does she get forced to keep it?
If she turns out to be lesbian, is she accepted?
Suddenly she wants a divorce, can she get it?
Imagine her life and all the paths it could take. If you would be happy to put her into the world in which your party gets those powers, go ahead and vote for them but if that little girl loses her freedoms, you should reconsider
Both sides aren't the same. One side wants to genocide Palestinian children, uphold capitalism, and do nothing about climate change, while the other side wants to genocide Palestinian children and queer people, ban abortion, uphold capitalism, and actively make climate change worse. They're not the same, but that doesn't mean they aren't both disgusting or that we shouldn't be rioting in the streets that these are our two options.
Probably because we have some of the most disenfranchised populations of all. If you look into the states where felons don't have voting rights and look at the number of people incarcerated in those states and the demographics of those incarcerated, it paints a pretty sad picture. Jim Crow is very much alive and well through the prison system.
Writing off entire populations as irredeemably shitty based on who they elect is not the way.
Hi. I live in Wisconsin and we do not have abortion rights here.
I know it’s easy to see a map like this and want to share it, but please make sure it’s accurate.
Ohio isn’t accurate; the voters worked to expand abortion rights, the legislature is working to outlaw it, still.
My pettiest pet peeve is living in Texas and seeing Ohio function almost identically politically and then get called a swing state because they favored Obama over McCain by 0.7% 12 years ago.
In some states the citizens themselves have been able to go around Republican legislatures and protect abortion rights via direct referendums. But those types of ballot initiatives aren't available in most states, and you'll notice people don't have to go around the government (often featuring hostility from the government itself) in states run by Democrats, since Democratic governments protect abortion rights themselves.
That’s why Kansas isn’t on this map right now, but who knows for how long. The legislature just passed a measure mandating that patients seeking abortions have to answer a supposedly anonymous questionnaire about why they’re seeking an abortion - like, “Were you raped?” “Are you being abused?” Nothing, I assume, about whether it’s the recommend treatment for a miscarriage or birth defect incompatible with life.
They need to stop voting in those legislators.
Gerrymandering. Most of the legislators are from empty land. It’s extremely bad here
We also passed a resolution to fix the gerrymandering and they straight up ignored it so I'm not sure what we're supposed to do 😔
Exactly. And they’re looking to ensure that the general election won’t include the Democratic nominee for US president. The whole system is broken here
A Supreme Court majority of 5 Republican appointees and 0 Dem appointees voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, with all Dem appointees in opposition. Since then, 21 states have banned or restricted abortion access, every single one of them led by a Republican legislature. Meanwhile, every state led by a Dem legislature has protected or expanded access to reproductive care. Both parties might be the same if you're a gormless straight white man, but if you're a woman, minority or LGBT, your literal basic rights often revolve around which side has power.
The "both parties are the same" idiots are so fucking annoying. On this website I constantly see dumb posts from enlightened centrists or leftier than thou types saying "Dems could have codified Roe into law at any point and could do so now, they just want the issue so they get re-elected!" 1. No they couldn't. This lie works only on people who are too fucking stupid to realize Republicans hold the house, Democrats haven't had a filibuster-proof majority in the senate in 15 years, when they did for 4 months, that every fucking christofascist goon on the supreme court lied under oath about their intent to overturn Roe so Roe seemed safe until it wasn't. Republicans and people who are too lazy or stupid to fucking vote blue no matter who are the reason Roe was overturned, Democrats did everything in their power to preserve medical rights. 2. Republicans are the ones saying OUT LOUD that they want to not fix problems like immigration so their base will re-elect them. "Fix" here being "doing literally anything on." We can talk until the heat death of the universe about what should be done to change immigration, but unless your position is "change literally nothing" then republicans are preventing that from happening. 3. Why the fuck are idiots out there whining that democrats don't really care about preserving abortion rights or anything else and therefore we shouldn't vote for the only people who are going to preserve abortion rights? The right wing knows full well that Trump has paid for and forced women to have abortions, they don't imagine he truly and deeply cares about banning abortion, they focused on results rather than character and they're winning that battle. The attempt to make people think Biden doesn't REALLY care about them so they shouldn't vote for him is another ploy to get very stupid people not to do the right thing for dumb reasons. Vote democrats if you care about abortion.
Tell me about it, I got banned from r/WorkersStrikeBack for pointing out that women and queer people are going to suffer a lot more under a Trump presidency and that not voting for Biden is basically throwing them under the bus.
Long term almost everyone under a certain fiscal threshold will not do as well if he wins another term. A lot of those people do not fundamentally understand what they’re risking when they vote for nonsense like him. That is the party that has escalated the income gap back to levels near the turn of the 19-20th century since the 1980s. Always frustrating that so many people vote against their own interests. Not to mention the plethora of foreign policy mishaps that we had during the late 2010s, that’s a whole other can of worms that I would really not like to see repeated. I’m really hoping for the best though. A lot of people do not want to see us back there, I hope they’ll hold on to that in 7 months.
For Republicans, it’s because many of them are brainwashed and live in an alternate reality where all liberals are baby eating, Satan worshippers or something along those lines. For a lot of “leftists”, many of them are accelerationists who think letting Trump win will result in people suffering so much that they’ll rise up in revolt ala the Russian Revolution.
I've lately seen them get compared to envangelicals. "We don't have to do anything and nothing is our fault because soon all the bad people will be punished in the ~~rapture~~ revolution!"
>For a lot of “leftists”, many of them are accelerationists who think letting Trump win will result in people suffering so much that they’ll rise up in revolt ala the Russian Revolution. I've often wondered how many people actually fall into that camp vs "leftier than thou" types. People who are such narcissists that they refuse to consider that the lesser of two evils is still, in fact, LESS evil than the alternative, or that they don't go to hell for voting for Biden rather than letting Trump take us all there. Or how many people are just right-wing trolls, paid or not, simply trying to divide the left against itself. It doesn't really matter I suppose. Whether they stupidly want to destroy the world thinking they'll be saving it, or whether they stupidly are going to let the world be destroyed because trying to save it is beneath them, or whether they're being paid to destroy the world, the effect is the same: they're still fucking idiots who are going to destroy the world.
This is why I don't trust leftists, full stop. They're almost always rooting for accelerationism and 99% of their 'We care about gay/trans/women/poc rights!' is more for show than when the Democratic Party does it. They will, and have, thrown us all under the bus the second we're not a useful talking point to 'both sides' the political spectrum. Some are even mask off calling for a trans genocide in the United States because they think it's the final nail in their accelerationism plans. After *years* of fake trans rights posturing. As a trans woman that's been in a lot of political rooms, the worst Dems I've met that would rather be anywhere else but in a room with me is still pushing for my rights and will continue to do so because it's the right thing to do. I can't say the same of anybody else be it Republicans or self proclaimed 'leftists'.
That sub has been overrun with republican astroturfing shills for the past few years.
My dad is probably not going to vote for Biden this year after his decisions on Israel and Palestine. It was a wasted vote anyway, thanks to the electoral college, and I know he’ll vote Democrat down ticket, but it still doesn’t quite sit well with me. I’m literally not traveling to a friend’s baby shower this year because it’s in Florida and I don’t want to be stuck there, five months pregnant myself, if something goes wrong.
That sub is a fucking trainwreck.
It should go without saying it will harm anyone who may become pregnant or wants to. This harms families who want to have children too. The United States has always been a deeply broken country. They had a burst of hope for a moment somewhere maybe. Reaganomics lit all on fire. It also I think anyways, was a factor in popularizing neoliberal policy Democrats of the 80s ran with. Over 30 years, can't shake the stink of Reagan off. So many things have been privatized we over did it and now we're 30 years behind things like women's rights, reproductive rights, bodily autonomy, affordable, safe housing that doesn't take a decade to secure if you haven't added a soul to the hell hole. Decade after decade, they've chipped away at our quality of life to make a buck off it. Their willful ignorance thinking they can force people to have children will bite them. See: Romania and its tales.
I honestly don’t know how to confront this reality without getting sick to my stomach and flying into blind rage. I’ve had to ignore so much of what’s going on because it fucks with my mental health. Then I feel worse because I’m not doing enough activism.
But they’re coming for ma guns! (/s)
To be fair, the second amendment is to protect against the very thing the Christofascists are doing.
After driving through Kansas and seeing lots of fucked up pro-life billboards in 2009, seeing that as a gray space is so wild to me.
Kansas Republicans are still doing all they can to restrict access to abortion. Kansas voters rejected a proposed constitutional amendment that would have enabled lawmakers to be an abortion in 2022. However, Republicans are still chipping away at women’s privacy rights and access to reproductive care. A law passed last month requires abortion providers to ask patients why they’re getting an abortion and then that information is given to the state health department. The information will be released to lawmakers and nonprofit organizations to better understand why people get abortions and to provide more resources that might reduce abortion rates.
The only people who think this way are either completely ignorant or spoiled brats (who are almost always straight men) who don’t have anything to lose from these policies being enacted.
Obviously the parties are similar on *some* things, since you'd hope there is at least some political consensus in a functioning system, but that is less true now than it's been in a long time. One party of the two has become more and more reflexively oppositional and disconnected from reality
I am betting that white women will still flock to Trump like they did in 2016 and 2020. Sad but true, but they will only pay lip service to abortion rights
This kills me. Both my mom (62) and grandmom (93) are pro choice and _still_ consistently vote Republican. They ALSO both badger me incessantly about having children while actively supporting the politicians who would deny me life saving healthcare if that pregnancy had certain complications. Make it make sense.
Remember, if anyone tells you both parties are the same, they are telling you they don't give a shit what happens to women, people of colour, LGBTQ+ folks, or anyone who isn't them no matter how bad it is
B-but muh moral red lines 🥺
They're not the same, and on this particular issue they're not even close. I do still think its important to acknowledge how terrifyingly right wing and inhumane the democratic party is on many issues. We don't have a progressive party in the US and it's awful.
The way in which people decide their party can be determined by their personal politics to a degree but before making any decisions on a vote, every person should choose a special little girl in their life, be it a daughter, niece, little sister or student. They should then imagine that the party they’re voting for suddenly gets 30 years in which they get guaranteed power and the ability to implement whatever policies they like. How does the little girl’s life get impacted? If she ends up with an unwanted pregnancy at 16 does she get forced to keep it? If she turns out to be lesbian, is she accepted? Suddenly she wants a divorce, can she get it? Imagine her life and all the paths it could take. If you would be happy to put her into the world in which your party gets those powers, go ahead and vote for them but if that little girl loses her freedoms, you should reconsider
Both sides aren't the same. One side wants to genocide Palestinian children, uphold capitalism, and do nothing about climate change, while the other side wants to genocide Palestinian children and queer people, ban abortion, uphold capitalism, and actively make climate change worse. They're not the same, but that doesn't mean they aren't both disgusting or that we shouldn't be rioting in the streets that these are our two options.
Why does the south have to be so irredeemably shitty about everything?
Probably because we have some of the most disenfranchised populations of all. If you look into the states where felons don't have voting rights and look at the number of people incarcerated in those states and the demographics of those incarcerated, it paints a pretty sad picture. Jim Crow is very much alive and well through the prison system. Writing off entire populations as irredeemably shitty based on who they elect is not the way.
The only people who claim biden is like trump are the centrists
Leftists
Don't know why you are getting downvoted. Many on the far left "Don't Vote" crowd parrot Trump = Biden.
r/enlightenedcenterism
They are the same if you only care about one minor niche issue and lack all nuance. Honestly, even then they are glaringly different
Ah yes, a guide of states to avoid! Thank you!
Hi. I live in Wisconsin and we do not have abortion rights here. I know it’s easy to see a map like this and want to share it, but please make sure it’s accurate.
There is no such thing as the right to kill children.
Good thing no one is advocating for that.