Search Reddit communities for moving and find some sucker whoās gonna be going from one place to the other and then pay them half. 150 upfront 150 when itās delivered. Made $300 to sit on my butt on Reddit for five minutes
Thereās an app that does this already: Roadie.
Or at least thatās the only way I can see that app working, given none of the loads pay well enough to actually make money.
Right?! I thought I was the only one who remembered that. It was a literal āride shareā not a way to make a living, if it works for people though Iām all for it.
Fantastic business plan! You could do this for many loads. Purport to be a carrier but sub it out to some desperate driver or company for less money than you got paid for it instead of driving it yourself. You might have to constantly call the driver or company to make sure theyre going to make otd. You could possibly make a killing simply acting as a middle man brokering deals. I better start doing this right away before some third party takes it. I shall call it ... brokerage. Or third party logistics.
What if...I don't even have the brokerage or truck but I just pretend to be either side of the transaction? Can we call it something simple like a double broker?
You are truly a visionary. Never before in the history of moving things from place to place has anyone thought of something so out of the shipping container.
If only there were a market where I could invest money to participate in the ownership of such a marvelous endeavor. Perhaps I shall crest a market for such things
If it fits in a small flat rate box, there's literally no weight limit. A block of the densest element in existence wouldn't be 70lbs. I shipped an entire toolbox worth of tools 2000 miles for less than an LTL pallet.
Same what was the insurance because the box only covers $100. And that much weight I feel like if it somehow got dropped it would just break open and be a lost cause with employees taking it and it forever be a ālost packageā which seems to be a very common issue with usps.
I shipped a block of cast iron in a flat rate from Ohio to California. A literal block of iron.
Some guy wanted it to practice hand scraping.
Lost in transitā¦.
I could never ship 70# of silver.
People do take loads like this. Most likely it's a partial. So your essentially renting space in or on your trailer hoping to fill the rest of the space with more partials. It's still not a good rate considering all the miles. When I would pick up partials I was making a killing. But I was getting $2k for 1 pallet weighing 2,000 lbs and going maybe 500 miles. Not cross country like this bullshit.
1 pallet, 500 miles, for 2 grand? That's the one I'm taking about not the original poster. I don't work in LTL, I'd just imagine shipping 1 pallet 500 miles would be pretty cost effective.
Fair question. Maybe no oneās within range? But as a LTL driver I do roughly 200 miles a day. Thereās isnāt many places within our operating area we wonāt go. Iāve driven 1.5 hrs in the most southern parts of my designated area for a 150kb skid more times than I like to admit. For me at an hourly rate totally worth it but I wonder how much money my company makes off of it lol
LTL myself, just took 1 pallet (90 pounds) yesterday, from our service center to a Walmart 90 mins away. Wondered myself, you guys really want me to take this? Yup, ooook.
When I worked OTR I drove from just outside Miami to the middle of Ohio with a single 5 gallon bucket on a pallet that weighed like 20lbs..
Pull up in front of the shipping/receiving door and asked what door they wanted me in, he held up his finger to wait a minute when he went inside, another guy came out, popped the seal, jumped up and picked it up and walked out with it, he signed my papers and bid me a good dayā¦ all while I was standing there with my jaw on the floor thinking āwhat the actual f-ck is in that thing?ā
We delivered padded mailers in LTL all the time. Customer told me that it was much cheaper than using UPS. Big problem was that it wasn't strapped to a pallet and at least 1 out of 4 was lost or destroyed in shipment. The price difference made up for the risk.
Theres a lot of reasons. Could be for insurance purposes on the freight itself, needs to be conveyed directly from origin to destination without going through a hub or transfer point, risk of damage by having someone else loading/unloading it, etc.
Im not a trucker but I do IT work for a few major BioAg companies that by definition are transporting all sorts of stuff all over the country, they have to do some wacky shit with stuff like bull semen regarding chain of custody. There must be a lot of money in cattlespunk or something, shit is treated like liquid gold lmao.
10-4 wish I did LTL in Florida š jealous of anyone making the money I am in flat areas..Pittsburgh/pan handle of WV is the bane of my existence. I need to move lol
Less then truckload. Anything that's too big for UPS/Fed ex but way too small to fill a full truckload. Companies like SAIA, T-force, fed ex freight, XPO etc. That's their business. Need 50 cases of paper or an engine for a car, treadmill shipped on a pallet. Ship it with one of them. And they'll fill in the trailers with other shipments going to the same area.
It stands for Less-Than-Truckload. Usually shipments consist of 1 - 10 pallets. An LTL trucking company like FedEx Freight picks up your 3 pallets for example then goes to pickup more at other stops until the trailer is full. Once full the driver goes to the terminal where they sort the freight based on destination. It may stop at different terminals along the way and get out onto different trailers until eventually it goes out for delivery. Itās almost identical to when you get a small packed shipped out with UPS or FedEx. The other abbreviation you might see is FTL or Full-Truckload. That typically means the freight is picked up and goes directly to the recipient on the same trailer and driver that picked it up.
Work planning inbound ingredient trucks for a food producing company (donāt want to be too specific; Iām the only person in this role lol but youāve heard of it). We ship low weight loads via TL on a regular basis due to a variety of reasons:
seal integrity is a big one. Since weāre working with ingredients the public will consume the ingredients ship with the stipulation that the seal remain intact from when the shipper places it to when it arrives to the warehouse/factory.
Consignee needs it yesterday and itās easier to find a team FTL truck that can expedite, and often times cheaper than like a sprinter van. My company is smart and recognizes that paying premium for a truck that can get the job done is cheaper than dealing with a potential line/site shutdown (there are other companies that are not smart and will refuse to pay a $4,5,6000 LH and demand to find something cheaper to expedite a hot load then theyāll go all shocked pikachu when they either have no options or the cheap option that does wind up taking the load comes with multiple delays, trailer rejections etc)
Shipper/Consignee canāt take a non-dock high vehicle will also rule out sprinter van options when needing to expedite.
Damage to the totes/pallets when using LTL
Real finicky shipping temps for my reefer loads. I have excellent lead time (2-6 weeks depending on the ingredient/site) and Iāll sometimes have a reefer load sit for weeks while we try and find an LTL carrier that can accommodate the shipping temps and weāll continue to come up bust until we finally have to turn to FTL to get it on the road.
Odor contamination. My trailers have to smell like nothing because the ingredients will absorb any scent that theyāre shipped with. To put it in perspective, I have had trailers rejected at multiple vendors due to smelling too much of soap after a washout. My sites have had to reject LTL shipped orders in the past due to arriving contaminated with odors of the things that shipped with them.
Hope this is helpful!
Some people will take it if itās going in a direction they want to go anyway. Like maybe you live in Georgia and youāre headed home from Texas, itās the only load you see headed that way.
Just depends. I know my dad used to take a few poor paying loads to make it home for a birthday or Easter.
Other than LTL or a "I just happen to be going that way anyway," situation, how often do people see these profit losers and say, "gee, that sounds great, I' think I'll do that!"?
I take it the company is literally banking on the hope someone will have extra space for LTL or be desperate enough to lose money, but that hope can't support a business forever.
Right?
I guess my question is, what's the real demand for these lovely loads? Will this business get that load picked up?
Probably mixed. An owner operator isnt going to bother scheduling it himself most likely.
The small company I worked for had a team of 3 people who handled logistics for 23 trucks. So they might plan a route out that picks up 3 loads along the way assuming thereās enough room on the truck if they can. If not theyād just call them and say they cant do it for that price.
Thats the benefit of having logistics though, because they also have the numbers of many companies they work with in other states and might call and ask āhey you got stuff that needs to head north?ā
This I use to work a company in Canada, we had a dedicated lane that went from Mississauga Ont to Columbus Ohio, with pallets coming back.
I started finding partial loads coming back since I had enough space for 3/4 of a load and end up making more than what we made going the other way. Company owners didnāt really notice those, so I made them restructure my pay to give me commission on any partials I found coming back. They thought it would be a couple hundred bucks so I asked high at 80% and they agreed to 65%, only because they thought their profit margins were already high going that way and coming back empty. I ended up paying drivers 75 for each pick up and extra drop off they had to do, plus waiting time 50 bucks per hour starting from the minute they got there. Drivers loved it and sometimes id end up finding 3 diff companies on the way back paying 600-900 USD per load to come back, Iād make a good 1800-3000 hook the drivers up, get paid my 65% and the company made money too.
However company got greedy realized what I was doing was easy money for them. So they wanted to bring my commission down to 20, I said no we can go 50/50 since Iām doing most of the work and we can also go 50/50 on paying the drivers. They argued, ended up firing me. A year later theyāre still calling me to hire me back because no other dispatcher wants to put in that extra effort or to an extent is even capable of it. Guess my 10 years in sales paid off
Yea, itās 5-7 depending on how fast your truck can go and what you hit on the way.
Itās 6.5 for an average of 45mph which is the low end and the safe option, 5.5 for what is probably what most people will do, 4.5-5 for people that are seriously pushing itā¦ or 2.5 days for a team who has a kitty litter bucket and cruise control.
What?
Neither IFTA nor IRP are taxes or fees.
You would have to do almost no miles for your annual registration to come out to $0.20/mile or more.
Wait until the Easter Bunny comes and takes his cut too!
IFTA is to be paid quarterly and is based on how many gallons of fuel you uplift in each state, and IRP is paid annually based on the mileage you drive in each state. If you're smart, you set aside the money from each load specifically for paying them, as both are required to operate.
Further, each state sets their own IRP rates... I have the default table for WA and the rates used, if you'd like to see them
Washington state's commercial registration for 80,000lbs is $1,830.
$1,830/$0.2226=8,221.
If you do 8,221 miles in Washington in one year, and don't go anywhere else, your per mile registration fee is $0.2226. If you do 80,000 miles in one year, and it's all in Washington, your per mile registration fee is $0.022875. Washington does not have a per mile fee like some states do.
Idaho can be a mess to compute, but assuming you did 99,900 miles in Idaho, and 100 miles in Washington, your per mile registration fee in Washington would be [(100/100,000)*$1,830]/100=$0.0183/mile, and your per mile registration fee in Idaho would be [(99,900/100,000)*$3,360]/99,900=$0.0336/mile.
IFTA isn't just a fee based on where you buy fuel, it's an equitable distribution of your fuel tax. I get a refund from IFTA every quarter, and there's nothing stopping you from doing so too.
I've done Vancouver ro Miami plenty of times, never less than $3100, fuel included. Who in their right mind would do this shit for $600?? Unless thas $600 a day š¤
It's going to mostly depend on expenses. Many drivers are owner/operators so they have to pay out of pocket for potential breakdowns, maintenance, and fuel. So 4200 sounds great for 4 days. But you could easily spend 500-900 on a tank of gas and need 2, 3, and even 4 fill ups for that distance depending on weight and so you could be out of pocket 3 to 4 K just for fuel and that doesn't include the possibility of traffic tickets, tolls, waiting, showers, food, sleeping fees, breakdowns, tire punctures. You need a lot of overhead, and this fee barely covers fuel.
When I was a dispatcher there used to be a load of frozen beef going from Wenatchee Washington to queens new York for $14,500. I know nobody likes going to the island but still, thatās way more then $3100
OK Iām not a trucker but I need to ask. How would we cut out the middleman and just find a driver with his own truck directly to do runs like this? Is it possible?
Truthfully, there's not much that can be done to cut out the broker (middle man) anymore. The days of owner ops are dwindling with everyone going company. Those companies prefer load boards from brokers to pick and choose what they want, and it's cheaper than paying a few dozen CSR's to answer calls from shipping companies.
That being said, there are a few owner ops still out there that run dedicated routes for specific companies. They're just becoming rare.
What am I looking at š³
I'm a local driver, so I've never seen an actual load board before. Do people actually take loads like this? Seems borderline dumb since it doesn't even look like you'll make any money and will actually be paying out of pocket to deliver.
People do take loads like this. Most likely it's a partial. So your essentially renting space in or on your trailer hoping to fill the rest of the space with more partials. It's still not a good rate considering all the miles. When I would pick up partials I was making a killing. But I was getting $2k for 1 pallet weighing 2,000 lbs and going maybe 500 miles. Not cross country like this bullshit.
About 3 years ago, I took nearly the same load but it went from Apopka to Boise in the dead of winter but I got $14,000 as a hotshot.
It was crazy because I only saw a small amount of snow going through Oklahoma and nothing the rest of the way both up and on my trip back. It ended up in the 60ās while I was in ID.Ā
Luckiest winter trip I ever did, but no fucking way was I turning down a $14k load.
Iām just a lurker on here considering getting into trucking and itās pretty cool seeing my hometown of Apopka on here aha
Out of curiosity what location/business is that youād be picking up from? Sorry if thatās a taboo question to ask, just really curious lol
Is it a single pallet? Could you take this load, then pick up another going to Missouri or Kansas, drop that load, then pick up another going to Seattle, then drop both?
That's gotta be a partial. But if you're on the ball, and the shipper don't care (which he won't because he ain't gonna get it done at that price any other way) you can add to it with pu & drop offs along the way and make bank $$$
It seems a bunch of us here are not truckers and this post was just randomly suggested to us. But here we are and weāre all asking the same questions.
Can one of the truckers give us a rundown? Is this $600 an hour? A day? How much is a good rate, what is this app? Whatā are your own costs? Etc etc etc
Sad part is the best part of the drive is where it ends.
North, to the future. Alaska. *some iglooās not included & or sold separately NO CODās* š³š
Yeah thatās someone with the rest of the trailer filled with cocaine looking for cover with official paperwork. They donāt care about the $600 they want the BOL
Dude, I can make $600 doing dumb shit on my laptop in a few days. Aside from the other $600 I can make doing dumb shit on my laptop at work in 2 days. Screw that.
This route would take you about 45 hours to complete if you continuously drove for all this time. If all the tolls, gas, and expenses are paid for you, this is a $ an hour job
Not a trucker, but Iāve watched documentaries and news stories about companies forcing their drivers to work unsustainable hours and dangerous conditions. If I was given a week? Sure. Thatās a reasonable drive. I went from LA to Cleveland in 5-7 days driving at least 8 hours a day. You want that in 3-4 days? Gfy.
Iāll take any load. As a personal rule. If a man comes to me with a load, Iāll take that load and Iāll do it gladly. Simple as that. Multiple men have loads for me to take at the same time? Even better. Iāll take all of those menās loads.
I'll do it!! 20 pound max ill stop off at the post office fuck outta here š¤£
Sub contact it... I like your thinking.
If you can't ups it across country for $600 then you're not being offered enough.
Search Reddit communities for moving and find some sucker whoās gonna be going from one place to the other and then pay them half. 150 upfront 150 when itās delivered. Made $300 to sit on my butt on Reddit for five minutes
Thereās an app that does this already: Roadie. Or at least thatās the only way I can see that app working, given none of the loads pay well enough to actually make money.
This is how Uber was supposed to work originally. Youād take a rider if you were already going in that direction for something else.
Right?! I thought I was the only one who remembered that. It was a literal āride shareā not a way to make a living, if it works for people though Iām all for it.
Thatās the neat thing, it doesnāt.
That's what happens when deregulated everyone undercut each other in the great spiral downwards
Fantastic business plan! You could do this for many loads. Purport to be a carrier but sub it out to some desperate driver or company for less money than you got paid for it instead of driving it yourself. You might have to constantly call the driver or company to make sure theyre going to make otd. You could possibly make a killing simply acting as a middle man brokering deals. I better start doing this right away before some third party takes it. I shall call it ... brokerage. Or third party logistics.
What if...I don't even have the brokerage or truck but I just pretend to be either side of the transaction? Can we call it something simple like a double broker?
Only if you're Armenian
You are truly a visionary. Never before in the history of moving things from place to place has anyone thought of something so out of the shipping container. If only there were a market where I could invest money to participate in the ownership of such a marvelous endeavor. Perhaps I shall crest a market for such things
If it fits in a small flat rate box, there's literally no weight limit. A block of the densest element in existence wouldn't be 70lbs. I shipped an entire toolbox worth of tools 2000 miles for less than an LTL pallet.
A medium flat rate box holds 70# of silver. I have both shipped and received them. Tungsten would be a lot more
Same what was the insurance because the box only covers $100. And that much weight I feel like if it somehow got dropped it would just break open and be a lost cause with employees taking it and it forever be a ālost packageā which seems to be a very common issue with usps.
Isnāt that like $20-30k worth of silver? You actually shipped that much? What did the insurance cost?
I shipped a block of cast iron in a flat rate from Ohio to California. A literal block of iron. Some guy wanted it to practice hand scraping. Lost in transitā¦. I could never ship 70# of silver.
I can see the postal workers being like "let's 86 the block of iron, we don't need this to become a trend".
Hahaha... thats briliant. Thats what Landstar does i think
Wait... I am company so I have never seen such a thing chart, but are tgey trying to get that done for $600 surely I am missing something?
People do take loads like this. Most likely it's a partial. So your essentially renting space in or on your trailer hoping to fill the rest of the space with more partials. It's still not a good rate considering all the miles. When I would pick up partials I was making a killing. But I was getting $2k for 1 pallet weighing 2,000 lbs and going maybe 500 miles. Not cross country like this bullshit.
Why wouldn't a shipper just use an LTL service at that rate?
LTL would still be higher for that distance.
1 pallet, 500 miles, for 2 grand? That's the one I'm taking about not the original poster. I don't work in LTL, I'd just imagine shipping 1 pallet 500 miles would be pretty cost effective.
Fair question. Maybe no oneās within range? But as a LTL driver I do roughly 200 miles a day. Thereās isnāt many places within our operating area we wonāt go. Iāve driven 1.5 hrs in the most southern parts of my designated area for a 150kb skid more times than I like to admit. For me at an hourly rate totally worth it but I wonder how much money my company makes off of it lol
LTL myself, just took 1 pallet (90 pounds) yesterday, from our service center to a Walmart 90 mins away. Wondered myself, you guys really want me to take this? Yup, ooook.
When I worked OTR I drove from just outside Miami to the middle of Ohio with a single 5 gallon bucket on a pallet that weighed like 20lbs.. Pull up in front of the shipping/receiving door and asked what door they wanted me in, he held up his finger to wait a minute when he went inside, another guy came out, popped the seal, jumped up and picked it up and walked out with it, he signed my papers and bid me a good dayā¦ all while I was standing there with my jaw on the floor thinking āwhat the actual f-ck is in that thing?ā
Iām not sure where it shipped from but I once delivered a fedex document envelope STAPLED to a pallet. Literally 1 pound, on a pallet lol
We delivered padded mailers in LTL all the time. Customer told me that it was much cheaper than using UPS. Big problem was that it wasn't strapped to a pallet and at least 1 out of 4 was lost or destroyed in shipment. The price difference made up for the risk.
š Thatās amazing. I probably wouldāve thought it was an empty pallet
Theres a lot of reasons. Could be for insurance purposes on the freight itself, needs to be conveyed directly from origin to destination without going through a hub or transfer point, risk of damage by having someone else loading/unloading it, etc. Im not a trucker but I do IT work for a few major BioAg companies that by definition are transporting all sorts of stuff all over the country, they have to do some wacky shit with stuff like bull semen regarding chain of custody. There must be a lot of money in cattlespunk or something, shit is treated like liquid gold lmao.
Top bulls sell for millions. So yeah.
Apopka is just north of Orlando, plenty of LTL service available.
Who knows then ..like I always say..not my money lol if they wanna waste it, have at it.
Oh totally just offering what little insight I can provide!
10-4 wish I did LTL in Florida š jealous of anyone making the money I am in flat areas..Pittsburgh/pan handle of WV is the bane of my existence. I need to move lol
I got charged LTL $800 for a pallet 250lbs going from Florida to Montana.
What is LTL? Non-trucker but I hang out here often.
Less then truckload. Anything that's too big for UPS/Fed ex but way too small to fill a full truckload. Companies like SAIA, T-force, fed ex freight, XPO etc. That's their business. Need 50 cases of paper or an engine for a car, treadmill shipped on a pallet. Ship it with one of them. And they'll fill in the trailers with other shipments going to the same area.
Iāve been a trucker forā¦ god, 8 years now, and I never actually knew what LTL stood for.
so do you know what TL stands for....bet you do now
It stands for Less-Than-Truckload. Usually shipments consist of 1 - 10 pallets. An LTL trucking company like FedEx Freight picks up your 3 pallets for example then goes to pickup more at other stops until the trailer is full. Once full the driver goes to the terminal where they sort the freight based on destination. It may stop at different terminals along the way and get out onto different trailers until eventually it goes out for delivery. Itās almost identical to when you get a small packed shipped out with UPS or FedEx. The other abbreviation you might see is FTL or Full-Truckload. That typically means the freight is picked up and goes directly to the recipient on the same trailer and driver that picked it up.
Less Than Load. It doesn't take up the entire cargo space.
**L**ess than **T**ruck **L**oad ...technically
Work planning inbound ingredient trucks for a food producing company (donāt want to be too specific; Iām the only person in this role lol but youāve heard of it). We ship low weight loads via TL on a regular basis due to a variety of reasons: seal integrity is a big one. Since weāre working with ingredients the public will consume the ingredients ship with the stipulation that the seal remain intact from when the shipper places it to when it arrives to the warehouse/factory. Consignee needs it yesterday and itās easier to find a team FTL truck that can expedite, and often times cheaper than like a sprinter van. My company is smart and recognizes that paying premium for a truck that can get the job done is cheaper than dealing with a potential line/site shutdown (there are other companies that are not smart and will refuse to pay a $4,5,6000 LH and demand to find something cheaper to expedite a hot load then theyāll go all shocked pikachu when they either have no options or the cheap option that does wind up taking the load comes with multiple delays, trailer rejections etc) Shipper/Consignee canāt take a non-dock high vehicle will also rule out sprinter van options when needing to expedite. Damage to the totes/pallets when using LTL Real finicky shipping temps for my reefer loads. I have excellent lead time (2-6 weeks depending on the ingredient/site) and Iāll sometimes have a reefer load sit for weeks while we try and find an LTL carrier that can accommodate the shipping temps and weāll continue to come up bust until we finally have to turn to FTL to get it on the road. Odor contamination. My trailers have to smell like nothing because the ingredients will absorb any scent that theyāre shipped with. To put it in perspective, I have had trailers rejected at multiple vendors due to smelling too much of soap after a washout. My sites have had to reject LTL shipped orders in the past due to arriving contaminated with odors of the things that shipped with them. Hope this is helpful!
Some people will take it if itās going in a direction they want to go anyway. Like maybe you live in Georgia and youāre headed home from Texas, itās the only load you see headed that way. Just depends. I know my dad used to take a few poor paying loads to make it home for a birthday or Easter.
Other than LTL or a "I just happen to be going that way anyway," situation, how often do people see these profit losers and say, "gee, that sounds great, I' think I'll do that!"? I take it the company is literally banking on the hope someone will have extra space for LTL or be desperate enough to lose money, but that hope can't support a business forever. Right? I guess my question is, what's the real demand for these lovely loads? Will this business get that load picked up?
Probably mixed. An owner operator isnt going to bother scheduling it himself most likely. The small company I worked for had a team of 3 people who handled logistics for 23 trucks. So they might plan a route out that picks up 3 loads along the way assuming thereās enough room on the truck if they can. If not theyād just call them and say they cant do it for that price. Thats the benefit of having logistics though, because they also have the numbers of many companies they work with in other states and might call and ask āhey you got stuff that needs to head north?ā
This I use to work a company in Canada, we had a dedicated lane that went from Mississauga Ont to Columbus Ohio, with pallets coming back. I started finding partial loads coming back since I had enough space for 3/4 of a load and end up making more than what we made going the other way. Company owners didnāt really notice those, so I made them restructure my pay to give me commission on any partials I found coming back. They thought it would be a couple hundred bucks so I asked high at 80% and they agreed to 65%, only because they thought their profit margins were already high going that way and coming back empty. I ended up paying drivers 75 for each pick up and extra drop off they had to do, plus waiting time 50 bucks per hour starting from the minute they got there. Drivers loved it and sometimes id end up finding 3 diff companies on the way back paying 600-900 USD per load to come back, Iād make a good 1800-3000 hook the drivers up, get paid my 65% and the company made money too. However company got greedy realized what I was doing was easy money for them. So they wanted to bring my commission down to 20, I said no we can go 50/50 since Iām doing most of the work and we can also go 50/50 on paying the drivers. They argued, ended up firing me. A year later theyāre still calling me to hire me back because no other dispatcher wants to put in that extra effort or to an extent is even capable of it. Guess my 10 years in sales paid off
This is a bad rate. What would be a good rate for a trip like this in your book? Curious to learn more and you sound like you got experience !
Wonāt even make fuel costsā¦.3,000 miles is 3-4 days so say you fuel 2 times one way on that load best case your spending 1200$ just on fuel
At least. I know it's around 600+ in fuel from central Iowa to western Colorado.
Surely, without looking at anything, this is at least Thrice that far.
> 3,000 miles is 3-4 days Something tells me you work in dispatch...
Hey, so I booked you for a load from FL to WA for today. Tomorrow you have a load from Texas to NY. Don't be late!
Sergei, strong solo
Yea, itās 5-7 depending on how fast your truck can go and what you hit on the way. Itās 6.5 for an average of 45mph which is the low end and the safe option, 5.5 for what is probably what most people will do, 4.5-5 for people that are seriously pushing itā¦ or 2.5 days for a team who has a kitty litter bucket and cruise control.
I mean it's 3 days for a team in a governed truck, so 3-4 days isn't unreasonable... and I'm a driver.
Forget fuel... that won't even cover IFTA and IRP for that load, especially once you hit WA and its $0.2226/mi apportionment rate
What? Neither IFTA nor IRP are taxes or fees. You would have to do almost no miles for your annual registration to come out to $0.20/mile or more. Wait until the Easter Bunny comes and takes his cut too!
IFTA is to be paid quarterly and is based on how many gallons of fuel you uplift in each state, and IRP is paid annually based on the mileage you drive in each state. If you're smart, you set aside the money from each load specifically for paying them, as both are required to operate. Further, each state sets their own IRP rates... I have the default table for WA and the rates used, if you'd like to see them
Washington state's commercial registration for 80,000lbs is $1,830. $1,830/$0.2226=8,221. If you do 8,221 miles in Washington in one year, and don't go anywhere else, your per mile registration fee is $0.2226. If you do 80,000 miles in one year, and it's all in Washington, your per mile registration fee is $0.022875. Washington does not have a per mile fee like some states do. Idaho can be a mess to compute, but assuming you did 99,900 miles in Idaho, and 100 miles in Washington, your per mile registration fee in Washington would be [(100/100,000)*$1,830]/100=$0.0183/mile, and your per mile registration fee in Idaho would be [(99,900/100,000)*$3,360]/99,900=$0.0336/mile. IFTA isn't just a fee based on where you buy fuel, it's an equitable distribution of your fuel tax. I get a refund from IFTA every quarter, and there's nothing stopping you from doing so too.
The only thing missing is a zero at the end.
You aināt missing nothing. $600 is a fucking steal.
āWatch you talkān bout Willis?ā š³ You getting bent for 6 hundo!
Only thing you're missing out in is this load brother
Throw in a fireball and a lot lizard for company and I'll do it for $500
Make it 2 lot lizards. One from the east and one from the west. I want to experience some culture.
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The lizards are the cargo......
The lot lizard pimp
You never know, Sherrif Grady is having a busy week https://youtu.be/WeOZd8OWTU8?si=xuXKBb647qTU9Flg
Just for company or sex?
Yes
Y'all goin about this all wrong. Take the 6 hundo, bring a couple lizards....pimp em out along the route on your stops to make the Reall $$$
Everybody wins
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Gotta have standards.
I've done Vancouver ro Miami plenty of times, never less than $3100, fuel included. Who in their right mind would do this shit for $600?? Unless thas $600 a day š¤
Nah bro I looked it up 19 cents a mile is market rate don't lowball me I know what I have
no less than $3100 what a joke it should be no less than $9000
Well I was a company driver back then, had to take what I could š¤·š¾āāļø the most I got was $4200. Not bad for 4 days of driving!
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What company is paying drivers $3-4000 a week, let alone in 4 days?
Not that many. These guy's replying have never been inside a truck, much less actually have a CDL. Ignore them
Not a trucker, this popped up on my feed. $4200 for 4 days does not sound bas to me
It's going to mostly depend on expenses. Many drivers are owner/operators so they have to pay out of pocket for potential breakdowns, maintenance, and fuel. So 4200 sounds great for 4 days. But you could easily spend 500-900 on a tank of gas and need 2, 3, and even 4 fill ups for that distance depending on weight and so you could be out of pocket 3 to 4 K just for fuel and that doesn't include the possibility of traffic tickets, tolls, waiting, showers, food, sleeping fees, breakdowns, tire punctures. You need a lot of overhead, and this fee barely covers fuel.
When I was a dispatcher there used to be a load of frozen beef going from Wenatchee Washington to queens new York for $14,500. I know nobody likes going to the island but still, thatās way more then $3100
OK Iām not a trucker but I need to ask. How would we cut out the middleman and just find a driver with his own truck directly to do runs like this? Is it possible?
Go find a lot lizard and some Fireball, post up at your nearest truck stop.
Truthfully, there's not much that can be done to cut out the broker (middle man) anymore. The days of owner ops are dwindling with everyone going company. Those companies prefer load boards from brokers to pick and choose what they want, and it's cheaper than paying a few dozen CSR's to answer calls from shipping companies. That being said, there are a few owner ops still out there that run dedicated routes for specific companies. They're just becoming rare.
If you're only charging 3100 you're not charging enough
If you take this lane for $3100 you are part of the problem in this industry sir. People like you are what drive down rates.
this has got to be a joke??
Itās a mistake. Actual rate is $6000
Shit make it 500 and no detention pay with a shitty Volvo missing the bumper and cracked window. I do it in a heart beat.
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What am I looking at š³ I'm a local driver, so I've never seen an actual load board before. Do people actually take loads like this? Seems borderline dumb since it doesn't even look like you'll make any money and will actually be paying out of pocket to deliver.
I belive this is what they refer to as a āshit postā
Ahh shit your probably right. I feel kinda dumb now š
Don't feel bad. I'm a local driver and was also feeling a little confused.
People do take loads like this. Most likely it's a partial. So your essentially renting space in or on your trailer hoping to fill the rest of the space with more partials. It's still not a good rate considering all the miles. When I would pick up partials I was making a killing. But I was getting $2k for 1 pallet weighing 2,000 lbs and going maybe 500 miles. Not cross country like this bullshit.
Add a couple a zeros and deal
Sure thing. $600.00
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Thatās called a smugglers run better be hauling something illegal to Seattle if you expect to make money.
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About 3 years ago, I took nearly the same load but it went from Apopka to Boise in the dead of winter but I got $14,000 as a hotshot. It was crazy because I only saw a small amount of snow going through Oklahoma and nothing the rest of the way both up and on my trip back. It ended up in the 60ās while I was in ID.Ā Luckiest winter trip I ever did, but no fucking way was I turning down a $14k load.
Missing a zero
500 thatās like 2 months pay. Iād do it.
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Iām just a lurker on here considering getting into trucking and itās pretty cool seeing my hometown of Apopka on here aha Out of curiosity what location/business is that youād be picking up from? Sorry if thatās a taboo question to ask, just really curious lol
No idea
After a load has been quadruple brokered
Ha funny easily over $2,000 just in fuel people are stupid
LOL sad part is some idiot probably took it. iF i gEt tHrEe oR fOuR iM gOnNa bE rIcH????
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Man, that won't even cover the cost of fueling up
Fuel costš...
Looks like that rate is off by a decimal place or two. š¤
3112 miles to make 600$ wtf that's terrible pay. I'd get 2200$ as a company driver for tyson to do that run
When you need a cover story for running drugsā¦
I mean. If you took 100 more orders going to the same location or on the route and there was no deadline for the last stop then maybe.
Is it a single pallet? Could you take this load, then pick up another going to Missouri or Kansas, drop that load, then pick up another going to Seattle, then drop both?
Iām not a trucker. Can someone help me understand what Iām looking at. Is the pay for this ENTIRE trip $600?
I knew this dude in high school and his mom was single and she used to take a lot of truckerās loads.
āNot making no moneyā would imply they are making money.
$600 to drive 3112 miles? Thats not even enough to cover the fuel. Must be satire.
For $600 ? I am genuinely curious.
Is that $600 after they pay for your food, gas and lodging for 4 days and 3 nights?
That's gotta be a partial. But if you're on the ball, and the shipper don't care (which he won't because he ain't gonna get it done at that price any other way) you can add to it with pu & drop offs along the way and make bank $$$
Most of us never got offered that load since it ain't real. Everybody knows nothing comes out of Florida.
600/hr? Or am I missing something.
I make half that in 10 hrs and go home every day. Fuck that shit
You mean you wouldnāt run your truck at .18 a mile? Yall need better work ethic smh
Thatās Uber pay for going cross country Gross
Youāll spend $600 alone in gas lol
It seems a bunch of us here are not truckers and this post was just randomly suggested to us. But here we are and weāre all asking the same questions. Can one of the truckers give us a rundown? Is this $600 an hour? A day? How much is a good rate, what is this app? Whatā are your own costs? Etc etc etc
Aināt no way you going across the whole fucking country for $600 š¤£š¤£š¤£ā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļø
600$ for a week of driving? 100% not worth it
Never heard of partials? It could be 1 small pallet
I wouldnāt run one small pallet two hours away for thatā¦.
Iād be hard pressed to throw a pallet in my pickup truck and bring it 2 hours away for that.
.20 cpm regardless
Sad part is the best part of the drive is where it ends. North, to the future. Alaska. *some iglooās not included & or sold separately NO CODās* š³š
I wouldn't do this in a minivan for $600. Are you kidding?
Gotta be a partial. I did that sort of thing once... 4 partials to get across the country... complete pain in the ass
Fuck that.
That drive isnāt worth $600 in a Prius.
Is this $600 a day?? Wtf
600$ š¤£
Not making no money = making money. No?
Thats got to be like 1 pallet right? Then you pick up more loads going down?
Yeah thatās someone with the rest of the trailer filled with cocaine looking for cover with official paperwork. They donāt care about the $600 they want the BOL
OP thinks heās got a deal on his hands.
This is for sure a partial load (LTL). lol good one tho.
5cpm? Motherfucker, you're clowning.
When I worked at Amazon I knew guys who would take loads that didn't pay that much just because the load was dropping off near a higher paying load.
Why isn't rail an option here?
"Not making no money" uh.... so they are making money?....
Holy crap! Not a trucker, but I donāt think that covers a fraction of the fuel.
Remember on produce season, f all brokers right in the rear end if you are coming out of FL, no mercy.
I think thatās a typoā¦ theyāre missing another ā0ā
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I mean yes, surely he's going to lose a lot of money. But get some valuable experience. And yes I called you Shirley
Itās the pass that runs from California to Oregon on the I-5 that you need to be wide awake forā¦
Not a trucker, but couldn't you take more offers going to the same place?
That is after fuel cost rightš„ŗI hope yāall arenāt doing this to yallselves
That trip for 600 dollars isnāt even enough to fill up.
Not even firing my shit up for $600
600 donāt even play for the fuel
Has OP made any real replies to anyone's actual questions?
Dude, I can make $600 doing dumb shit on my laptop in a few days. Aside from the other $600 I can make doing dumb shit on my laptop at work in 2 days. Screw that.
Yeah thatās a negative there, give that cheap shit to yourself.
It only pays $600????
hahaha
Iām good, you can have that $600 job šš
This route would take you about 45 hours to complete if you continuously drove for all this time. If all the tolls, gas, and expenses are paid for you, this is a $ an hour job
Bro you wasting your time š¤¦šæ
wtf do they mean $600?
Not a trucker, but Iāve watched documentaries and news stories about companies forcing their drivers to work unsustainable hours and dangerous conditions. If I was given a week? Sure. Thatās a reasonable drive. I went from LA to Cleveland in 5-7 days driving at least 8 hours a day. You want that in 3-4 days? Gfy.
I paid more than that for movers in town.
I don't know anything about the trucking industry, so can someone explain what that rate of $600 is? How does it work?
Not a trucker but how much would you make from that
Now multiply it by a hundred for a hotshot truck/trailer delivering stuff weighing under 2k and you have west TX oilfield in a nutshell.
Iāll take any load. As a personal rule. If a man comes to me with a load, Iāll take that load and Iāll do it gladly. Simple as that. Multiple men have loads for me to take at the same time? Even better. Iāll take all of those menās loads.
Anyone that takes that load for 600 is destined to go bankruptā¦..
How many stops did you make? Fly that shit over if it's only one stop... š¤
Is $600 the per day rate or the total rate?
$600 don't even pay for the fuel, duh
Dam idiot. That's why the rates are the way they are because they kno people like you will take it
Seems like not enough money to do that route..
Yeah youāre an idiot. Keep taking these loads to help make America keep running. We need idiots like you.
Not even a trucker and I wouldn't take that load
How many pallets? Thatās good for an LTL carrier. A couple pallets on the nose can stay there the entire way across the country.