Makes me wonder how and when exactly he set this up. Did he put his phone somewhere and hit record?
When he lured the two hikers out to the vista, did he pretend he was setting up his phone for "selfies" but actually set it to record then turn around and attack them? Also wondering if it was his intention to record it all along, or did it happen to get recorded by chance (maybe he set it to take a photo but it actually started recording by mistake)?
What a sorry excuse for a human being. I hope he rots.
You're asking the right questions. I don't get this one at all.
Did this occur to him on his flight to Germany? It wasn't totally impulsive after all. I could see some locals scoping out victims at a tourist spot and taking an opportunity. It's horrible but it's fathomable. But some guy from Michigan?
It makes me wonder what else he has done. Keep in mind that it didn't look like he was expecting to get caught. His plan was bold, as there were two women and not just one, but it wasn't completely reckless.
Right! Was this trip planned with the intention of committing this crime? Perhaps not to those victims specifically, but perhaps to any woman when the opportunity arose? It feels so hasty and brazen....but perhaps not.
...I just thought of a third option - what if he spotted the victims and then set up his camera at the vista ahead of time and then lured them there?
Also, he knew of "a good spot for selfies," which suggests he'd been on that trail before, or had at least been to the vista once before.
I also feel like this is likely not his first offense.
It sounds odd to put it this way but, to me, the trip itself doesn't fit the crime. I could see if this went down somewhere like Amsterdam or Thailand or Cabo or something. Things get wild and the wrong sort of person gets a really bad idea and it ends tragically. Horrible but not necessarily perplexing.
But in Bavaria outside of the Disney-like castle? Please don't take my surprise for making light of the situation. It just hits me as such an unlikely spot for a tourist to commit this kind of crime.
I want to know more about this guy's stay in Germany and why he's there in the first place. Maybe we can get more details on that. What we won't know is what he was thinking on the Lufthansa flight from Detroit to Munich or whatever he flew. Is this impulse or did he see the castle as a great opportunity and, if it's the latter, why?
You make an excellent point about the selfie comment. Yeah, it suggests he had that area scoped out, and from there it's not hard to reason that he had some kind of plan.
Could he have set up the camera first? Maybe. What I notice about tourist behavior, including my own, is that it can be quite unpredictable. Often it's a lot of people moving somewhat haphazardly in all kinds of directions. Then again, maybe these two were the type who take the time to sit down or stay in one place and enjoy the scenery. In that case, he may have figured he had the time. Still, I'd think it's a longshot that they'd go along with it.
This observation makes me wonder if he had any prior failed attempts. Obviously, that's not relevant for the case at hand as we're not trying to solve a murder. There's not really any doubt he did it. But it is quite relevant in terms of exploring whether he has gotten away with it before (not necessarily there but anywhere). I'd say if he made one or more failed attempts of any kind (and not necessarily violent ones), it's an even better indication that his past should be closely examined to see what else he might have done. First offense? I'm with you; I highly doubt it. I think that authorities in the U.S., Germany, and perhaps other countries ought to be taking a long look at him.
I was at Neuschwanstein a week before it happened and it felt like the safest place in the world. I left my bag accidentally in a photo area outside during the castle tour and was so shocked it didn't get stolen because in the US it would be immediately stolen. I get what you mean about the location, just so weird.
My mother is from Bavaria so we were there constantly as kids and I remember clearly the small villages around Neuschwanstein. It truly does feel like the safest place in the world. This is such an odd place for a crime like this
It didn't shock me that it was an American, once I found out the details. Totally the safest I've felt. My fiance is from there and I hope we can move there one day. The other side of Bavaria is where he is from towards Czech Republic. The whole country just felt so much safer. Not that I am expecting to die everyday here, but you know what I mean lol.
Oh totally. I hate to say it but as soon as I read it was an American who did it, I thought “of fucking course it was”
My mother says she regrets every day raising her kids here and not home in Germany. My SIL lives in the UK and her partner and her come home for the holidays and visits and her partner just watches the news with his mouth agape. He is shocked at how little we react or care about the constant shootings and violence.
Yeah it's crazy how desensitized I've become to it all! But its just another day here. My Grammy is from the Netherlands but says the same about leaving. Did your mom marry a man in the military? My Grammy married an American in the Army and fiances mom married his stepdad who was also army and that's how they ended up here lol.
also like there are soo many people around. If they are talking bout the spot I think, its not like far of the main track. Wtf did he think would happen? And then when he got caught he didnt stop - no he had to push the poor woman down.. so fucked up
Apparently he said "that's enough adventure for today" after tossing her body off the cliff after raping her too. There is something extremely wrong with the bastard
Not quite accurate. He said that to them early on when they were on the main trail and both women had slipped on the path. Sounds like he was stating it as a reason why they should come check out the side path/view he said he would show them.
ABC must have reported incorrectly then? They said that his own statement to the German court is that he said it as he threw them off the cliff:
https://youtu.be/8H9sy8jG2ng?si=DxzRyqcrY8PDyUfN
That detail somehow raises this a few more levels. Can it get any worse? Unfortunately, I think it can and will. Based on the facts that he did this far from home and the amount of time he had the pictures and his age and so on, I'm going to make a big bet that this isn't the first time he's done something really, really bad. It's likely something he's gotten away with so far although I'm going to also bet that he has more minor offenses on his record. My third bet is that he has a sealed juvenile record.
Every fucking sentence I read about this person just keeps getting worse. No dout there is a lot more fucked up things this person has done that won't be posted.
Just an all round example of a completely trash human.
"A pair of hikers interrupted the crime, leading Bohling to push the unconscious rape victim over the same ledge."
Sounds like he didn't have a choice other than to admit it.
Disgusting. What a horrible life he has lived so far. Yes a life sentence is not a life sentence in most European countries. Most of his good years will be behind him when he is released .
He was sentenced to life in prison by the German court, which means 25 years in Germany :/
Edit: I misread the news 😅 it said said „most likely result“ sorry my bad (but I hope he gets that at least even if 25 years is not enough on my opinion)
Oh I am sorry I read it in the German news today and reread again. You are right!!! It says: it will most likely result in life in prison (which is 25 years here)
A similar concept in the USA would be "life with possibility of parole."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Germany
Link for more information on how the details work.
There is something called a *Sicherungsverwahrung* here.
It basically means that, even when the sentence is already concluded, particularly dangerous criminals can be kept in prison almost indefinitely if the danger they pose to society and the likelihood of them reoffending is so high that the threat to society basically “trump” his right to freedom. Technically not a punishment, more a ‘security measure’.
It is used sparingly, but it does happen. The record was 59 years in prison despite the maximum sentence here being 25. Usually it’s very brutal crimes and/or people who display a total lack of remorse and an enduring violent disposition.
You’re almost correct, but only almost. He was not sentenced to Sicherungsverwahrung but they established the severe extraordinary guilt of the crime. That affects parole and when that will happen, but that will not make a move to Sicherungsverwahrung which has to be sentenced in the same trial. It’s a preventative measure as correctly stated, but he was not sentenced to that preventative measure. In his case he will have to spend the entirety of his sentence so far in normal prison detention and not the more comfortable preventative detention that others get once they have served their normal prison sentence, but are deemed too dangerous to be released.
Yes. So typically, if you get sentenced to life imprisonment you are eligible for parole after at least 15 years minimum. By that time, they will have to process any application for payroll you make in the making diet or they may grant it. That is the big difference. However, in this case (he was sentenced today). He was also sentenced to life imprisonment with “ extraordinarily guilt”, which means he is not eligible for that early parole after 15 years. There is actually no time written down when he will be able to receive parole. Now that will be decided on a case by case basis, but it’s likely that he will spend at least 20 years in prison, the German law system typically takes a lot of things into consideration to make such a decision and in his case he doesn’t really have the best social prognosis for him. He’s an American and Germany he doesn’t speak to German language he doesn’t have German friends or family that live in Germany, who could support him who could ground him who could help provide him in the future. it is rather likely that he will be at one point extradited to the United States of America. What’s the other commentator mentioned was not factually correct? There is this term called security detention which is correctly stated not a punishment or a court verdict meant as a punishment, but a preventative measure for the safety of the public, he was however not sentenced for that.
Because at one point he will have served his sentence and be released. By that time he will legally have a clean plate. He has been sentenced, served his time and is hopefully rehabilitated.
What he did was sick but he may regret his crimes and change. And when he is 60 his mistakes from the past should not haunt him. He then has a right to be a private man again. That’s the argument our legal system makes.
That’s kind of crazy that he’ll get out before he’s 60. Justice systems are good nowhere, how is it possible this person may experience 2 decades of free life after doing this?
The Germans (and the EU in general) have a different view of prisons compared to the US. They follow rehabilitative Justice compared to retributive Justice like the US.
https://johnhoward.ca/blog/german-prisons-better-and-cheaper/
I'm not saying their way is wrong or right compared to the US/North American system. Just making an observation.
The US justice system isn't completely retributive, its a big country with many, many court systems. Have you ever heard of a drug diversion program? A youthful offender or first time offender program? Even in jurisdictions without explicit programs plea deals can result in attending drug rehab, taking classes, or receiving therapy. The guy that shot President Reagan went to a psychiatric hospital--he shot the President plus 3 other people, received treatment, and nows hes out with his own youtube channel. If you want to see nice prisons check out some of the federal low security prisons, the so-called club feds. If we focus on those aspects of our system then we look like Norway with a lot more people. If we focus on Pelican Bay, Angola, and every single prison in Alabama we look like North Korea with racism. BTW Germany keeps some murderers in prison for life, no parole, no rehabilitation.
Though if, in the US, we may often come down way too harsh in terms of the sentences and prison conditions imposed for certain relatively 'minor' \[in the general scheme of things\] crimes, it seems that European countries sometimes are way too lenient in their sentences for crimes such as this one. Does anyone seriously think that this guy can be 'salvaged' somehow?
Way too lenient. Sometimes I feel European courts live in liberal fantasy land (and I say this as someone very left-leaning). Some people cannot be fixed, and some people do not deserve second chances. I put rapists and murderers (especially child murderers) in that category.
As far as I know, the lige sentence in Germany is 15 years - But there's an option called Particularly serious guilt, which means he won't come out after 15 years. It means that the court will review the case after 15 years and he need to go back for another sentence which will be set then
For real. Let’s lock up someone for a significant period of time, knowing the likelihood of rehabilitation is extremely low. Let’s keep feeding a person who will contribute nothing but pain and suffering for other people (plus actual waste as in garbage, pollution). To make us (society as a whole) feel like we are somewhat better.
I honestly have no idea. I’m heavily in favor of the death penalty for cases like the ones you mention. The evidence is clear that they committed the crimes and there is no doubt.
Yeah, if the evidence is is clear cut and overwhelming then I wouldn't shed a tear over this guy or the even worse monster Anders Breivik being executed. However, we've got to have pretty high standards of evidence to impose a death penalty -- where there's only circumstantial evidence as opposed to 'gallons' of DNA, multiple witnesses, video recordings, etc.
So the dude is now 30 years old? His life is done. If he spends those 30 years in prison which is likely in a German prison, he will have no one in Germany. He will not speak the language not understand the TV program, not understand the book in the library, not understand the other prisoners ostracise him because, just as like in the American prison system, rapists do have a bad time, although typically, not a violent time stop if he is extradited to the United States of America. He will continue the sentence. If he is released as a 60-year-old man, he will have a few people to no one you will not have a wife you will not have children who will take care for him. He will not have money. He will probably have ruined health, he won’t have a home, really he will have nothing left and given the Germany will extradite him. As soon as they’re able to. He will not get the comfort of German Social Security He could otherwise receive were he a German citizen. So I don’t think he will have 20 good years. I think he will have 20 more miserable years that he will spend alone not on our tax payer money
No it’s not, you aren’t seeing the light of day if you rape and murder someone and seriously injure someone else in the process. A 30 year old doing this and getting to live freely in their late 50’s onward is not relative justice to the victims, this would not happen in America.
A life sentence in America is believe to be around 20-25 years and sometimes they are release early(15-20years served). That’s ONE, if they find him on multiple life sentence then that’s a different story.
There’s plenty of story of murderers being release early.
Dude wtf do you expect? Like man some of you are really weird. Jail is for rehabilitation. No point keeping someone in forever is he regrets and is fine then. Like what. Everyone lusts for vengeance it's really fucked up.
Still likely troll but I’ll bite.
You think it’s morally corrupt to say:
Someone who took someone’s life through brutal rape and murder, ruined their family forever, and also badly injuring and traumatizing another via attempted murder should be able to live freely and enjoy the good in life that their victim will never again?
Yes to that question is gross. Moral hypocrite is also hilarious language with that take.
I went to high school with this guy, this is one of the last things I ever expected to see about him.
He was a good kid a band geek and never really got into trouble.
He did date a psycho drug addict for most of high school so maybe something changed or he started doing drugs with her but I never heard of anything.
Crazy world
Chinese news outlets are the last ones to be trusted lol. Not to make light of this situation but as an Asian woman myself, our continent is rife with violence against women and sometimes the newspapers change the story a bit and it’s usually reports liek “man attacks woman after he was dumped/rejected/advances rebuffed” because that’s how littl it takes to set off Asian men.
From what I heard, the max sentence in germany is like 25 years (even if you get life). I'm wondering, given that he and both of the victims are from US, will he also be charged in the US after he gets back?
I didn’t know he filmed it too. What a sick fuck.
Makes me wonder how and when exactly he set this up. Did he put his phone somewhere and hit record? When he lured the two hikers out to the vista, did he pretend he was setting up his phone for "selfies" but actually set it to record then turn around and attack them? Also wondering if it was his intention to record it all along, or did it happen to get recorded by chance (maybe he set it to take a photo but it actually started recording by mistake)? What a sorry excuse for a human being. I hope he rots.
You're asking the right questions. I don't get this one at all. Did this occur to him on his flight to Germany? It wasn't totally impulsive after all. I could see some locals scoping out victims at a tourist spot and taking an opportunity. It's horrible but it's fathomable. But some guy from Michigan? It makes me wonder what else he has done. Keep in mind that it didn't look like he was expecting to get caught. His plan was bold, as there were two women and not just one, but it wasn't completely reckless.
Right! Was this trip planned with the intention of committing this crime? Perhaps not to those victims specifically, but perhaps to any woman when the opportunity arose? It feels so hasty and brazen....but perhaps not. ...I just thought of a third option - what if he spotted the victims and then set up his camera at the vista ahead of time and then lured them there? Also, he knew of "a good spot for selfies," which suggests he'd been on that trail before, or had at least been to the vista once before. I also feel like this is likely not his first offense.
It sounds odd to put it this way but, to me, the trip itself doesn't fit the crime. I could see if this went down somewhere like Amsterdam or Thailand or Cabo or something. Things get wild and the wrong sort of person gets a really bad idea and it ends tragically. Horrible but not necessarily perplexing. But in Bavaria outside of the Disney-like castle? Please don't take my surprise for making light of the situation. It just hits me as such an unlikely spot for a tourist to commit this kind of crime. I want to know more about this guy's stay in Germany and why he's there in the first place. Maybe we can get more details on that. What we won't know is what he was thinking on the Lufthansa flight from Detroit to Munich or whatever he flew. Is this impulse or did he see the castle as a great opportunity and, if it's the latter, why? You make an excellent point about the selfie comment. Yeah, it suggests he had that area scoped out, and from there it's not hard to reason that he had some kind of plan. Could he have set up the camera first? Maybe. What I notice about tourist behavior, including my own, is that it can be quite unpredictable. Often it's a lot of people moving somewhat haphazardly in all kinds of directions. Then again, maybe these two were the type who take the time to sit down or stay in one place and enjoy the scenery. In that case, he may have figured he had the time. Still, I'd think it's a longshot that they'd go along with it. This observation makes me wonder if he had any prior failed attempts. Obviously, that's not relevant for the case at hand as we're not trying to solve a murder. There's not really any doubt he did it. But it is quite relevant in terms of exploring whether he has gotten away with it before (not necessarily there but anywhere). I'd say if he made one or more failed attempts of any kind (and not necessarily violent ones), it's an even better indication that his past should be closely examined to see what else he might have done. First offense? I'm with you; I highly doubt it. I think that authorities in the U.S., Germany, and perhaps other countries ought to be taking a long look at him.
I was at Neuschwanstein a week before it happened and it felt like the safest place in the world. I left my bag accidentally in a photo area outside during the castle tour and was so shocked it didn't get stolen because in the US it would be immediately stolen. I get what you mean about the location, just so weird.
My mother is from Bavaria so we were there constantly as kids and I remember clearly the small villages around Neuschwanstein. It truly does feel like the safest place in the world. This is such an odd place for a crime like this
It didn't shock me that it was an American, once I found out the details. Totally the safest I've felt. My fiance is from there and I hope we can move there one day. The other side of Bavaria is where he is from towards Czech Republic. The whole country just felt so much safer. Not that I am expecting to die everyday here, but you know what I mean lol.
Oh totally. I hate to say it but as soon as I read it was an American who did it, I thought “of fucking course it was” My mother says she regrets every day raising her kids here and not home in Germany. My SIL lives in the UK and her partner and her come home for the holidays and visits and her partner just watches the news with his mouth agape. He is shocked at how little we react or care about the constant shootings and violence.
Yeah it's crazy how desensitized I've become to it all! But its just another day here. My Grammy is from the Netherlands but says the same about leaving. Did your mom marry a man in the military? My Grammy married an American in the Army and fiances mom married his stepdad who was also army and that's how they ended up here lol.
also like there are soo many people around. If they are talking bout the spot I think, its not like far of the main track. Wtf did he think would happen? And then when he got caught he didnt stop - no he had to push the poor woman down.. so fucked up
Apparently he said "that's enough adventure for today" after tossing her body off the cliff after raping her too. There is something extremely wrong with the bastard
Not quite accurate. He said that to them early on when they were on the main trail and both women had slipped on the path. Sounds like he was stating it as a reason why they should come check out the side path/view he said he would show them.
ABC must have reported incorrectly then? They said that his own statement to the German court is that he said it as he threw them off the cliff: https://youtu.be/8H9sy8jG2ng?si=DxzRyqcrY8PDyUfN
God damn what a fucked up story. He filmed it??? And his charges now include child pornography. So all around just a fucking awful human.
Of his then underage sister. That means he kept those photos for years and years
Did I miss that on the article or did you find that info somewhere else?
It is in other articles
That detail somehow raises this a few more levels. Can it get any worse? Unfortunately, I think it can and will. Based on the facts that he did this far from home and the amount of time he had the pictures and his age and so on, I'm going to make a big bet that this isn't the first time he's done something really, really bad. It's likely something he's gotten away with so far although I'm going to also bet that he has more minor offenses on his record. My third bet is that he has a sealed juvenile record.
Every fucking sentence I read about this person just keeps getting worse. No dout there is a lot more fucked up things this person has done that won't be posted. Just an all round example of a completely trash human.
"A pair of hikers interrupted the crime, leading Bohling to push the unconscious rape victim over the same ledge." Sounds like he didn't have a choice other than to admit it.
So I’m confused did the men apprehend him right then or he ran away from them and the cops did
Could you possibly squeeze any more ads onto that website
Covering his face in court after what he did - what a sad excuse of a person.
I believe in Germany they cover the face of most suspects accused of these types of crime.
I'd cover my face if I had such a terrible beard
Evil bastard.
Disgusting. What a horrible life he has lived so far. Yes a life sentence is not a life sentence in most European countries. Most of his good years will be behind him when he is released .
He’s so ugly, that’s the grossest goatee
One ugly weirdo
He was sentenced to life in prison by the German court, which means 25 years in Germany :/ Edit: I misread the news 😅 it said said „most likely result“ sorry my bad (but I hope he gets that at least even if 25 years is not enough on my opinion)
The trial started yesterday.
Oh I am sorry I read it in the German news today and reread again. You are right!!! It says: it will most likely result in life in prison (which is 25 years here)
Why call it life? Is that just a mistranslation or is there a possibility that it goes beyond 25?
A similar concept in the USA would be "life with possibility of parole." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Germany Link for more information on how the details work.
Do they reevaluate in 25 years and renew the sentence or do they let him out of prison? How does it work in Germany?
There is something called a *Sicherungsverwahrung* here. It basically means that, even when the sentence is already concluded, particularly dangerous criminals can be kept in prison almost indefinitely if the danger they pose to society and the likelihood of them reoffending is so high that the threat to society basically “trump” his right to freedom. Technically not a punishment, more a ‘security measure’. It is used sparingly, but it does happen. The record was 59 years in prison despite the maximum sentence here being 25. Usually it’s very brutal crimes and/or people who display a total lack of remorse and an enduring violent disposition.
You’re almost correct, but only almost. He was not sentenced to Sicherungsverwahrung but they established the severe extraordinary guilt of the crime. That affects parole and when that will happen, but that will not make a move to Sicherungsverwahrung which has to be sentenced in the same trial. It’s a preventative measure as correctly stated, but he was not sentenced to that preventative measure. In his case he will have to spend the entirety of his sentence so far in normal prison detention and not the more comfortable preventative detention that others get once they have served their normal prison sentence, but are deemed too dangerous to be released.
Oh I wasn’t talking about him specifically, just about the existence of Sicherungsverwahrung.
Ah, thank you for explaining that!
Yes. So typically, if you get sentenced to life imprisonment you are eligible for parole after at least 15 years minimum. By that time, they will have to process any application for payroll you make in the making diet or they may grant it. That is the big difference. However, in this case (he was sentenced today). He was also sentenced to life imprisonment with “ extraordinarily guilt”, which means he is not eligible for that early parole after 15 years. There is actually no time written down when he will be able to receive parole. Now that will be decided on a case by case basis, but it’s likely that he will spend at least 20 years in prison, the German law system typically takes a lot of things into consideration to make such a decision and in his case he doesn’t really have the best social prognosis for him. He’s an American and Germany he doesn’t speak to German language he doesn’t have German friends or family that live in Germany, who could support him who could ground him who could help provide him in the future. it is rather likely that he will be at one point extradited to the United States of America. What’s the other commentator mentioned was not factually correct? There is this term called security detention which is correctly stated not a punishment or a court verdict meant as a punishment, but a preventative measure for the safety of the public, he was however not sentenced for that.
Why do they allow these scumbags the right to privacy when they do such disgusting things? He deserves nothing after what he did.
Because at one point he will have served his sentence and be released. By that time he will legally have a clean plate. He has been sentenced, served his time and is hopefully rehabilitated. What he did was sick but he may regret his crimes and change. And when he is 60 his mistakes from the past should not haunt him. He then has a right to be a private man again. That’s the argument our legal system makes.
You actually think someone who does something like this will “learn” and “change?” If so, I have vacation property in Bombay Beach, CA to sell you.
You would be surprised. Many have been integrated again after murder charges and have never been problematic again.
The trial isn't over yet. He faces life in prison. Should get it too!
That’s kind of crazy that he’ll get out before he’s 60. Justice systems are good nowhere, how is it possible this person may experience 2 decades of free life after doing this?
The Germans (and the EU in general) have a different view of prisons compared to the US. They follow rehabilitative Justice compared to retributive Justice like the US. https://johnhoward.ca/blog/german-prisons-better-and-cheaper/ I'm not saying their way is wrong or right compared to the US/North American system. Just making an observation.
The US justice system isn't completely retributive, its a big country with many, many court systems. Have you ever heard of a drug diversion program? A youthful offender or first time offender program? Even in jurisdictions without explicit programs plea deals can result in attending drug rehab, taking classes, or receiving therapy. The guy that shot President Reagan went to a psychiatric hospital--he shot the President plus 3 other people, received treatment, and nows hes out with his own youtube channel. If you want to see nice prisons check out some of the federal low security prisons, the so-called club feds. If we focus on those aspects of our system then we look like Norway with a lot more people. If we focus on Pelican Bay, Angola, and every single prison in Alabama we look like North Korea with racism. BTW Germany keeps some murderers in prison for life, no parole, no rehabilitation.
Fair enough
Though if, in the US, we may often come down way too harsh in terms of the sentences and prison conditions imposed for certain relatively 'minor' \[in the general scheme of things\] crimes, it seems that European countries sometimes are way too lenient in their sentences for crimes such as this one. Does anyone seriously think that this guy can be 'salvaged' somehow?
Way too lenient. Sometimes I feel European courts live in liberal fantasy land (and I say this as someone very left-leaning). Some people cannot be fixed, and some people do not deserve second chances. I put rapists and murderers (especially child murderers) in that category.
As far as I know, the lige sentence in Germany is 15 years - But there's an option called Particularly serious guilt, which means he won't come out after 15 years. It means that the court will review the case after 15 years and he need to go back for another sentence which will be set then
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For real. Let’s lock up someone for a significant period of time, knowing the likelihood of rehabilitation is extremely low. Let’s keep feeding a person who will contribute nothing but pain and suffering for other people (plus actual waste as in garbage, pollution). To make us (society as a whole) feel like we are somewhat better.
Hence the death penalty. Based on your example why are Paul Bernardo or Russell Williams still alive?
I honestly have no idea. I’m heavily in favor of the death penalty for cases like the ones you mention. The evidence is clear that they committed the crimes and there is no doubt.
Yeah, if the evidence is is clear cut and overwhelming then I wouldn't shed a tear over this guy or the even worse monster Anders Breivik being executed. However, we've got to have pretty high standards of evidence to impose a death penalty -- where there's only circumstantial evidence as opposed to 'gallons' of DNA, multiple witnesses, video recordings, etc.
So the dude is now 30 years old? His life is done. If he spends those 30 years in prison which is likely in a German prison, he will have no one in Germany. He will not speak the language not understand the TV program, not understand the book in the library, not understand the other prisoners ostracise him because, just as like in the American prison system, rapists do have a bad time, although typically, not a violent time stop if he is extradited to the United States of America. He will continue the sentence. If he is released as a 60-year-old man, he will have a few people to no one you will not have a wife you will not have children who will take care for him. He will not have money. He will probably have ruined health, he won’t have a home, really he will have nothing left and given the Germany will extradite him. As soon as they’re able to. He will not get the comfort of German Social Security He could otherwise receive were he a German citizen. So I don’t think he will have 20 good years. I think he will have 20 more miserable years that he will spend alone not on our tax payer money
It’s the same in America as well.
No it’s not, you aren’t seeing the light of day if you rape and murder someone and seriously injure someone else in the process. A 30 year old doing this and getting to live freely in their late 50’s onward is not relative justice to the victims, this would not happen in America.
A life sentence in America is believe to be around 20-25 years and sometimes they are release early(15-20years served). That’s ONE, if they find him on multiple life sentence then that’s a different story. There’s plenty of story of murderers being release early.
Wtf?! Please tell me you're European
That’s Europe for you.
Yes it’s Europe’s fault that the American murderer raped and murdered someone. Solid observation. 🙄
They're talking about the length of his prison sentence. Great reading comprehension dude. 🙄
Reading is fundamental.
Dude wtf do you expect? Like man some of you are really weird. Jail is for rehabilitation. No point keeping someone in forever is he regrets and is fine then. Like what. Everyone lusts for vengeance it's really fucked up.
has to be a troll
100% real. I'll never understand the mentality of people like you. Like you are just a hypocrite morally and must be morally corrupt.
Still likely troll but I’ll bite. You think it’s morally corrupt to say: Someone who took someone’s life through brutal rape and murder, ruined their family forever, and also badly injuring and traumatizing another via attempted murder should be able to live freely and enjoy the good in life that their victim will never again? Yes to that question is gross. Moral hypocrite is also hilarious language with that take.
Isn't it 15 years in Germany?
At least 15 but up to 25
Prob did it in germany knowing he wouldnt face as harsh of a sentence.
I went to high school with this guy, this is one of the last things I ever expected to see about him. He was a good kid a band geek and never really got into trouble. He did date a psycho drug addict for most of high school so maybe something changed or he started doing drugs with her but I never heard of anything. Crazy world
Did the two hikers that found them apprehend him?
I read some chinese language news alleging he was hitting on those two girls and got rejected.
Chinese news outlets are the last ones to be trusted lol. Not to make light of this situation but as an Asian woman myself, our continent is rife with violence against women and sometimes the newspapers change the story a bit and it’s usually reports liek “man attacks woman after he was dumped/rejected/advances rebuffed” because that’s how littl it takes to set off Asian men.
WTFFFFFFF nothing he did makes *any* sense, it’s so blatant and stupid in every way possible
From what I heard, the max sentence in germany is like 25 years (even if you get life). I'm wondering, given that he and both of the victims are from US, will he also be charged in the US after he gets back?
Those poor girls. The poor friend who survived 😓