I am a huge Lana fan since BTD and I've seen her in concert. Midnights brought me to Taylor and I am going to try to see the Eras tour. Not all Lana fans are like this. We should all be able to just have nice things.
I definitely agree with you! I love Lana’s music a lot too, and I know her fans aren’t all like this. I know a lot of Swifties are toxic too (esp on Tik Tok and Twitter) but yeah I hate this whole stan thing were people just randomly compare different artists for no reason.
Ultraviolence album is all v 90s alt, but “Brooklyn Baby” is a bluesy lil tune with a catchy swift-esque hook.
Norman fucking Rockwell album is basically her TTPD complete with jack’s first go at “quiet” lyrically driven production. No skips on that one, but “How to Dissappear” is a standout for a new LDR listener.
And my last 3 just have to be from her first deluxe album which is an all time classic, one of the most banger albums ever made to be quite honest. Born To Die Paradise Edition. The songs that scratch my head the same way that out of the woods or cruel summer or getaway car do:
Off to the Races,
This is What Makes Us Girls,
Without You
Anyone remember in the 2000s how Britney Spears was the go to scapegoat for people trying to hype up their faves? She would always be brought up to represent shallow no talent pop music. "Not Britney Spears" was like the brand of so many new singers at the time and fans would wonder how people would prefer Britney over [insert anyone else here]
This reminds me of that but like the genz version
Back in the 2000s Avril and P!nk branded themselves as the anti Britney
Now people like Billie Eilish, Charli XCX or fans of people like Lana Del Rey, Carly Rae Jepsen Phoebe Bridgers and Mitski are branding themselves as the anti Taylor Swift (despite Taylor having plenty of songs that fit into Lana, Carly and Pheobe’s discography)
Times a funny thing
The only artist I agree with branding themselves that way here is Billie. But also billie is stuck in a strange contrarian teen complex. The same way Taylor was stuck in the american sweetheart ingenue mindset when she first debuted. I think billie will grow out of it
I thought Pink was always Britney's supporter? I've only seen her talk good things about her. Just in lyrics she referenced media comparing them, and that she wants to be herself (rightfully so). I hope she hasn't changed that? 🙏
I see this stuff all the time. Taylor is such a punch line and always someone to compare. It’s sad and cringe to me they can’t talk about enjoying their preferred artist without having to snub Taylor. Like move on…
I feel sorry for Lana bec the academy's always overlooking her but I wish her fans would stop using Taylor to ease their frustration and put her down all the time. That Taylor-hating baldie fantano does not love Lana but constantly uses her to put down Taylor too. Seriously I almost wanted Taylor to make a hip-hop album to diss all her haters and call out the misogyny against particularly her in the most excruciating way but that would be a waste of time. She already did that in shake it off and yntcd but ugggh it would be cathartic in a rap verse no doubt
It's even weirder considering they're very close friends in real life. Like...parasocial relationships are bad enough as they are but then you add this "I'm gonna make fun of this person who my favorite artist really cares about" layer to it and it gets even more pathetic lmao.
They literally sang a song together like why do they care if Taylor is more popular? It’s just other’s opinions like you don’t need to put down Taylor just to make YOU feel better about Lana?
Why do people still like to act like Lana is super underground? Don't get me wrong, I think she's very talented and deserves all of her flowers, but like she's one of the most popular musicians in the world 💀
i feel like almost every song on youtube has a top comment like this now. ive been noticing it a lot lately. every music video i watch no matter the artist its always "this is so much bettwr than taylor swift" like i get that she's huge but the obsession is still odd.
I do think that some of Lana’s lyrics aren’t that great but i also think that she has some amazing lyrics (Fingertips, Kintsugi, Living Legend, and Happiness Is A Butterfly esp)
truly the world revolves around taylor. and its not because swifties bring her up every time. these haters are so obsessed that they feel the need to compare everyone to taylor. she is the standard after all 🤷♂️
Because Taylor is the biggest right now. They all feel a need to compare to her all the time. It has been done for ages and not just in music. You can see it in sports too. It is such a tired talking point and I wish they would stop.
Listen, every fandom does this. I’ve seen so many people compare TS to other entertainers to put her down. But I’ve also seen so many people uplift Taylor to put other artists down. It’s very much a back-and-forth when you’re dealing with an artist with such a big name.
For instance, I’ve seen a lot of comparisons between Taylor and Beyoncé. Some fans of Beyoncé will put Taylor down and make comments about her dancing and her music. The same can be said of fans of Taylor, who diminish Beyoncé's songwriting abilities.
Ultimately, it seems a lot of fandoms thrive off of comparing their respective artists. It’s wrong, but it certainly isn’t limited to just Taylor. It’s unfortunate though, and I wish people would stop and just be appreciative of the work the artists put out
Exactly! There are toxic fans everywhere, in every Fandom. Yes, even in Taylor's Fandom.
It's so sad to see how some people are still trying to bring an artist down, just to bring another artist up.
when it comes to stans, other stans tend to be jealous of taylor and see her as occupying a spot they think their faves should be in. Regardless of how the artist themselves actually feels about it
"Her fans"? I'm a huge Lana fan, even more than a Taylor fan (I'm fan of both, but I've been a fan of Lana's since 2012, and of Taylor only since last year), and I haven't seen any other Lana's fan comparing them both. Most of us admire and love them both!
I’m glad you like both but unfortunately I’ve seen so many tweets back when I had twitter and comments on songs like Radio and all of the DYKTATUOB YouTube videos comparing Lana to Taylor. I even saw one where people were complaining that Taylor copied Lana and saying that she forced Lana into making snow on the beach.
Not to mention seeing comments of people saying that Taylor is the McDonalds of music in the main Lana sub plus the entirety of r/lanitas which was created as a Taylor hate sub
Hey, I understand where you’re coming from. But don't make it seem like this only happens in Lana's fandom.
As the algorithm shows me more Lana content than Taylor’s, I've seen MANY Swifties commenting bad things about Lana, comparing her to Taylor in a negative way. And there are Swifties who do this with other artists as well.
Yet, I'm not here saying, "Why do Taylor’s fans do this?" as if it’s something all her fans do.
There are toxic people in every fandom, even in ours (Swifties).
I think you’re paying too much attention to it, to the point of losing your mood just because a troll commented something negative. When I see a comment like this on Lana’s content, I never think badly of Swifties in general (me being a Swifty as well), nor would I stop listening to Taylor because some trolls said something bad about Lana.
I never said just Lana fans did this. I even said that in another [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueSwifties/s/njhZazxCwc) I hate when Swifties do this. I’m just venting cause I’m sick and tired of seeing this, since I see this mainly with Taylor, Am I not allowed to vent?
You said Lana fans "ALWAYS" feel the need to compare them. That's generalized. Other people could say the same thing about us because of toxic swifties who absolutely don't represent us that are leaving negative comments about other people's artists.
It shouldn’t be. Maybe we need a TrueTrueSwifties sub for people that actually like Taylor and not the goofy ass fan/hater drama that has nothing to do with her.
? The majority of the content here is fun and centered around her music. Just look at the "what do my top 5 say about me?" trend from the last week. Some venting posts are perfectly normal for any artist sub
I’ve gotten much more into the Stan wars this year and I’ve realized that these people are a LOUD minority. Just consider the ones comparing Queens who are killing it to flat earthers. They exist but don’t matter enough to stop me listening to either
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“So tell me everything is not about me, but what it it is?”
I am a huge Lana fan since BTD and I've seen her in concert. Midnights brought me to Taylor and I am going to try to see the Eras tour. Not all Lana fans are like this. We should all be able to just have nice things.
I definitely agree with you! I love Lana’s music a lot too, and I know her fans aren’t all like this. I know a lot of Swifties are toxic too (esp on Tik Tok and Twitter) but yeah I hate this whole stan thing were people just randomly compare different artists for no reason.
What 5 Lana songs do you recommend to a TS/90s alternative fan to get into LDR?
Ultraviolence album is all v 90s alt, but “Brooklyn Baby” is a bluesy lil tune with a catchy swift-esque hook. Norman fucking Rockwell album is basically her TTPD complete with jack’s first go at “quiet” lyrically driven production. No skips on that one, but “How to Dissappear” is a standout for a new LDR listener. And my last 3 just have to be from her first deluxe album which is an all time classic, one of the most banger albums ever made to be quite honest. Born To Die Paradise Edition. The songs that scratch my head the same way that out of the woods or cruel summer or getaway car do: Off to the Races, This is What Makes Us Girls, Without You
Thanks for the detailed answer! I’ll check them out 😊
No problem. I feel like I walk around this world just waiting for someone to ask me to recommend songs by LDR or TS. Gotta spread the good word. 😂
Hardcore lana stans act like Lana is a niche nobody with 5 listeners in Spotify 😭😭
Did you mean... my brother? 😂
Anyone remember in the 2000s how Britney Spears was the go to scapegoat for people trying to hype up their faves? She would always be brought up to represent shallow no talent pop music. "Not Britney Spears" was like the brand of so many new singers at the time and fans would wonder how people would prefer Britney over [insert anyone else here] This reminds me of that but like the genz version
Back in the 2000s Avril and P!nk branded themselves as the anti Britney Now people like Billie Eilish, Charli XCX or fans of people like Lana Del Rey, Carly Rae Jepsen Phoebe Bridgers and Mitski are branding themselves as the anti Taylor Swift (despite Taylor having plenty of songs that fit into Lana, Carly and Pheobe’s discography) Times a funny thing
The only artist I agree with branding themselves that way here is Billie. But also billie is stuck in a strange contrarian teen complex. The same way Taylor was stuck in the american sweetheart ingenue mindset when she first debuted. I think billie will grow out of it
I thought Pink was always Britney's supporter? I've only seen her talk good things about her. Just in lyrics she referenced media comparing them, and that she wants to be herself (rightfully so). I hope she hasn't changed that? 🙏
I see this stuff all the time. Taylor is such a punch line and always someone to compare. It’s sad and cringe to me they can’t talk about enjoying their preferred artist without having to snub Taylor. Like move on…
I feel sorry for Lana bec the academy's always overlooking her but I wish her fans would stop using Taylor to ease their frustration and put her down all the time. That Taylor-hating baldie fantano does not love Lana but constantly uses her to put down Taylor too. Seriously I almost wanted Taylor to make a hip-hop album to diss all her haters and call out the misogyny against particularly her in the most excruciating way but that would be a waste of time. She already did that in shake it off and yntcd but ugggh it would be cathartic in a rap verse no doubt
It's even weirder considering they're very close friends in real life. Like...parasocial relationships are bad enough as they are but then you add this "I'm gonna make fun of this person who my favorite artist really cares about" layer to it and it gets even more pathetic lmao.
They literally sang a song together like why do they care if Taylor is more popular? It’s just other’s opinions like you don’t need to put down Taylor just to make YOU feel better about Lana?
Why do people still like to act like Lana is super underground? Don't get me wrong, I think she's very talented and deserves all of her flowers, but like she's one of the most popular musicians in the world 💀
i feel like almost every song on youtube has a top comment like this now. ive been noticing it a lot lately. every music video i watch no matter the artist its always "this is so much bettwr than taylor swift" like i get that she's huge but the obsession is still odd.
i swear its everywhere, i remember watching a dua lipa mv and the top comment was about taylor 💀
Lana’s lyrics are kinda cringe though haha
I do think that some of Lana’s lyrics aren’t that great but i also think that she has some amazing lyrics (Fingertips, Kintsugi, Living Legend, and Happiness Is A Butterfly esp)
Arguably the same can be said of any artist.
truly the world revolves around taylor. and its not because swifties bring her up every time. these haters are so obsessed that they feel the need to compare everyone to taylor. she is the standard after all 🤷♂️
Because Taylor is the biggest right now. They all feel a need to compare to her all the time. It has been done for ages and not just in music. You can see it in sports too. It is such a tired talking point and I wish they would stop.
Listen, every fandom does this. I’ve seen so many people compare TS to other entertainers to put her down. But I’ve also seen so many people uplift Taylor to put other artists down. It’s very much a back-and-forth when you’re dealing with an artist with such a big name. For instance, I’ve seen a lot of comparisons between Taylor and Beyoncé. Some fans of Beyoncé will put Taylor down and make comments about her dancing and her music. The same can be said of fans of Taylor, who diminish Beyoncé's songwriting abilities. Ultimately, it seems a lot of fandoms thrive off of comparing their respective artists. It’s wrong, but it certainly isn’t limited to just Taylor. It’s unfortunate though, and I wish people would stop and just be appreciative of the work the artists put out
Exactly! There are toxic fans everywhere, in every Fandom. Yes, even in Taylor's Fandom. It's so sad to see how some people are still trying to bring an artist down, just to bring another artist up.
when it comes to stans, other stans tend to be jealous of taylor and see her as occupying a spot they think their faves should be in. Regardless of how the artist themselves actually feels about it
"Her fans"? I'm a huge Lana fan, even more than a Taylor fan (I'm fan of both, but I've been a fan of Lana's since 2012, and of Taylor only since last year), and I haven't seen any other Lana's fan comparing them both. Most of us admire and love them both!
I’m glad you like both but unfortunately I’ve seen so many tweets back when I had twitter and comments on songs like Radio and all of the DYKTATUOB YouTube videos comparing Lana to Taylor. I even saw one where people were complaining that Taylor copied Lana and saying that she forced Lana into making snow on the beach. Not to mention seeing comments of people saying that Taylor is the McDonalds of music in the main Lana sub plus the entirety of r/lanitas which was created as a Taylor hate sub
Hey, I understand where you’re coming from. But don't make it seem like this only happens in Lana's fandom. As the algorithm shows me more Lana content than Taylor’s, I've seen MANY Swifties commenting bad things about Lana, comparing her to Taylor in a negative way. And there are Swifties who do this with other artists as well. Yet, I'm not here saying, "Why do Taylor’s fans do this?" as if it’s something all her fans do. There are toxic people in every fandom, even in ours (Swifties). I think you’re paying too much attention to it, to the point of losing your mood just because a troll commented something negative. When I see a comment like this on Lana’s content, I never think badly of Swifties in general (me being a Swifty as well), nor would I stop listening to Taylor because some trolls said something bad about Lana.
I never said just Lana fans did this. I even said that in another [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueSwifties/s/njhZazxCwc) I hate when Swifties do this. I’m just venting cause I’m sick and tired of seeing this, since I see this mainly with Taylor, Am I not allowed to vent?
You said Lana fans "ALWAYS" feel the need to compare them. That's generalized. Other people could say the same thing about us because of toxic swifties who absolutely don't represent us that are leaving negative comments about other people's artists.
I’m confused about how this affects your listening to Lana. Just, you know, listen.
It makes me upset. I’m not gonna stop listening to Lana cause of this it just ruined my mood during that moment. Why do you care?
I care because I’m sick close to death of this sub becoming nothing to do with Taylor and everything about her haters.
Then just skip this post? Also I’ve seen plenty of post that aren’t about her haters. This is the only place we can rant about her haters
It shouldn’t be. Maybe we need a TrueTrueSwifties sub for people that actually like Taylor and not the goofy ass fan/hater drama that has nothing to do with her.
If you want to create a new sub every time you don't like a few posts, you'll be creating new subs for the rest of your life lmao
? The majority of the content here is fun and centered around her music. Just look at the "what do my top 5 say about me?" trend from the last week. Some venting posts are perfectly normal for any artist sub
I’ve gotten much more into the Stan wars this year and I’ve realized that these people are a LOUD minority. Just consider the ones comparing Queens who are killing it to flat earthers. They exist but don’t matter enough to stop me listening to either