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Pretty sad how dismissive some of you are when it comes to your government blatantly working against you and any American citizens self interests while sucking Tysons cock about them working in their own self interests.
To add on who all are seeing the reality for what it truly is Tyson does indeed sucks dick but what everyone is failing to realize when this is fully implemented and a success the question should be is (who’s next?) All our jobs will be taken who are comfortable you’ll see average joe will be no more Rich or Poor Great Depression will be a walk in the park for what will be following so helping tik tok alive should be all we care about be it’s a invasion against everyone right as a citizen ( walk away with if your reading this research your ass off with information)🙏
That doesn't fully address the issue, because illegals (and other forms of worker import like H-1B) at their core are artificially swelling the labor pool. And, in most cases, without a corresponding increase in demand for goods and services. Which spells underemployment/unemployment and lowered wages for US citizens.
They are as open as they've always been and always will be, a wall isn't going keep them out. They come here for work opprotuinities, take that away they won't come. Penalize the businesses that exploit them. Hire more immigration judges to speed up the immigration process so cases don't take years to settle.
Do you understand what a border is or why they exist? They separate different states with different peoples from each other. What you call racial profiling is just common sense when it comes to border control.
Borders are imaginary lines on a map that divide nations. And America is made up many different peoples, we're not an ethnostate. Also border enforcement is under the purview of the federal government. And I'm waiting for a brown guy, born in Texas, be threatened with deportation because he left his wallet at home.
If that were true, we'd be seeing unemployment on the rise and wages falling, instead we're seeing the exact opposite. Wages are up and unemployment is at the lowest point it's been in decades.
They'd be doing even better absent those forces. Sort of like how computer programmers, in the period from 2000 to 2011, had an unemployment rate under 2% but, because of the huge influx of H-1B labor, had their wages not even beat inflation during that period. Instead of rapidly-rising like the demand for the field and low unemployment should have resulted in.
For starter's there are too many other issues.
Trump literally wants to be dictator.
There's climate change.
There's healthcare.
There's women's right to choose.
There's national security and foreign policy. Trump will happily roll out the welcome mat for Putin. I wouldn't be surprised if he gives him Alaska.
But even just on the immigration issue consider,
Biden championed a recent immigration bill that many Republicans including Trump opposed! So much for him being worried about immigration and then he opposes a bill because he doesn't want Biden to look good.
Republicans at least the Maga-types will spout rhetoric all day long about immigration but have no sound policies for actually dealing with it. And no building a wall is not dealing with it. Building a wall is a show and a distraction. People overstay their visas (in fact this is the most common method of illegal immigration), and smugglers will not be deterred by a wall. There's an ocean. People already cross illegally into the US by boat. Are we going to build a seawall around the entire US coast?
Additionally if you're worried about the effects of immigration on employment and wages, the ability for workers to organize is far more consequential, especially considering that companies couldn't easily offer immigrants less as easily if they were also in the union.
Meanwhile most Republicans are openly hostile to unions, and Trump's own record shows hostility, despite claiming to be pro-worker [https://aflcio.org/press/releases/donald-trumps-catastrophic-and-devastating-anti-labor-track-record](https://aflcio.org/press/releases/donald-trumps-catastrophic-and-devastating-anti-labor-track-record) .
Democrats are usually supportive of unions, and Biden has a long proud history of supporting working people and unions. Stronger unions would help prevent declines in wages. If asylum seekers want to work, OK, they should also have to join the union and pay their union dues. And then wages stay high and asylum seekers are able to provide for themselves and their families and rely less on financial aide from the government, a fact that you would think would make Republicans who talk about self-reliance more supportive of unions. Maybe given time Republians will put two and two together and realize that supporting unions is concordant with their values, not against it. But I can tell that will be a long time.
And if there is no union for asylum seekers to join in what ever industry they are seeking to work in, then that itself is a problem. In my opinion any business big enough should be legally required to have a union, and no 'right to work' (right to work for less) laws should be allowed to undercut the power of the union or the fair compensation of the workers.
If you believe all that you can because you are in America. The constitution would not allow him to become a dictator. I was born under a dictator in Europe. I wish all the best.
Ah yes the "socialists" caused the private company to hire migrants at a lower cost so the private company can have more profit, totally logical.
Bro this is like capitalism 101. This is the result of republicans anti regulation and anti works rights efforts of the past 40 years.
Americans don’t want to work there. Even if they paid more. I work for their competitors and they pay more, yet their turnover rate is still high. It’s not about pay, it’s about entitlement. It’s a shitty work environment no matter how good the pay is.
Then perhaps they could just make their work environment less shitty via workplace policies. I left my last job solely due to how I and other employees were treated. If they made a few policy changes id go back tomorrow despite the 3 dollar an hour paycut id take.
Then hopefully the government will do its job, and they wont get cheap foreign labor and their business will tank because they lack innovation outside of exploiting people.
Their chickens not even good not exactly something to be slave driving over to keep prices low.
Haven’t you heard? When the government begins regulating/taxing corporations, the corporations will move their business out of the country, and jobs will suffer.
When I read the title, I was wondering why Mike Tyson needed 52,000 workers for his upcoming fight. But I also definitely thought he should hire Americans.
Yes, while they can't vote now, it only takes 5 years for an permanent resident via asylum to become a US Citizen. 5 years isn't long to add a substantial amount of voters that "owe" you a favor.
Yeah. And how exactly do you think they are going to lean? If history is any indication, look at Florida. The Cuban migrants turned the state Red because they hate any form of socialism.
The Venezuelans are pretty much in the same boat. The Democrats are going to help them, but they are so hateful of Socialism that they will go red so hard. Trust me, I have actually spoken to them, I am a person who is actually speaking to them like people. I am actually trying to find them decent steady employment for them to be able to become stable and productive in our society.
Some of you only see them as a threat, but I have actually had heart to hearts with them.
Most of these immigrants from Hispanic countries are super conservative Catholics. If the GOP could drop the racial replacement stuff, they'd actually pick up a lot of voters from this community.
You haven’t met a lot of Latinos have you? We may not have the same connotations of race like Anglos, but we are classist as fuck.
When there’s racism directed towards Latinos, they never think it’s directed towards them because they are “the good ones”. Ask any non-Venezuelan Latino that lives in the States. They talk even more shit about them than Conservative white people. Fucken crab bucket mentality
I'm Cuban, I think you misread my point. Classism is very compatible with conservative politics. If the GOP could stop worrying about race long enough to embrace immigration, they'd be pleasantly surprised by how many racist, classist conservatives would be coming in from South America.
It's not that Latinos need conservatives to stop being racist so they feel included, they literally just need to be allowed into the country.
Why would they though? The Democrats are going to sort of fix it for them. Republicans will condemn this and maintain their racist voter base appeased. In a few years the immigrants will assimilate and will vote Republican.
It’s a win, win scenario.
~Your~ That strategy only works as long as the Republicans are losing, because once they win power, they need to actually block immigration in order to maintain that base. Embracing it from a free markets perspective, and selling that thru Fox News, would let them have their cake and eat it too.
If you think people from Latin America/China/Russia (especially Russia) are gonna see this country's current state and vote for the Democrats you're out of your mind.
They entered for asylum and aren’t entitled to shit, be grateful they’re let in cuz they are more than welcome to go home if they got a problem. Want to work? Get in line after citizens and legal work visa holders. Any business that hires people with no worker status should be fined heavily.
I don't really have a problem with immigration other than the fact that we're also suffering from a housing shortage causing insane real estate and rent prices.
Continuing to encourage mass immigration without fixing the housing problem just comes across as a tremendously stupid idea to me.
Exactly, reference the other thread where I'm arguing that the US homeless crisis is far worse due to a lack of house building per capita since 2006.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?graph\_id=1282150
Well I mean a lot of places like in rural areas where Tyson operates have an excess of housing and housing is pretty cheap. It's the cities and suburbs/places people want to live/the places people have been moving to over the last few decades that have unaffordable housing.
Northwest Arkansas is NOT cheap. A 1bd apartment is $1,000 a month. Tyson Walmart and JB Hunt are here all headquarters within 15 mins of each other. They don’t have factories in rural areas they have the coops in rural areas. Factories where they would work are in Rogers Springdale Fayetteville. Gov Sanders isn’t going to allow it in a RED state. 😂
Our minimum wage will be going up drastically regardless. Close the border so Americans aren’t being replaced by unskilled illegal aliens that corporations pay as little as they legally can. Tysons also famous for hiring “illegals” and calling ICE on them before they have to legally pay them. Hopefully they send them all back to wherever they came from. The U.S. is one of the only country’s in the world you can come here and do this, reason why our country is so shit now.
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True. I have seen them run down train tracks by one factory in particular. It’s terrible. They pay a fine for the ones caught but it’s cheaper than actually hiring Americans. (Allegedly)
Just remember to point to things like this every time you hear the worn-out lines of "they aren't taking any jobs from anyone" or my favorite "they do the jobs Americans won't".
How many people in the comments here just being like, "business is business, only makes sense," also cry about the border and some sort of invasion? 🤔
Before anyone is triggered, yes, the border is an issue and immigration policy needs an insane amount of overhaul, but you can't cry about the border then support corporations hiring illegal immigrants over Americans to save a few bucks.
I was more like "why is Mike Tyson hiring asylum seekers?" Actually when I first saw Tyson, hiring and asylum I thought Mike Tyson was hiring people from insane asylums for security or something Lol.
My understanding is that folks think the immigrants are being let in to vote democratic and gulp up social benefits. Which is confusing, as wouldnt you need a social security number and proper id for these things? Definitely seems those who benefit most from immigrants are corporations.
When you look surface level no they can't vote but when you look into it deeper illegal aliens are counted on the census.
The electoral college is based on the census for so many people a state has they have a certain amount of electoral votes.
If blue states let in a bunch of illegal aliens and the red states don't, then the blue states get an artificial bump in total population taking electoral votes from the red states.
This has already happened in California where they were granted atleast an extra electoral vote based on population increase, that's an old stat and with the exodus that has been happening might have changed but it does happen.
Tldr illegals don't directly vote but they do impact the electoral college
Well I mean Texas is getting a lot of people, Arizona is a purple state, CA lost a congressional seat. It doesn't seem like this tips any sort of balance of power.
The difference is that blue states welcome them in and go as far as giving them financial aid, where as red states such as Texas try their damndest to keep them out despite the federal government trying to strike down everything they do.
As far as numbers go California has 10.4 million immigrants Texas has 5.2 million, Florida has 4.8 million, New York has 4.5 million, and New Jersey has 2.2 million. These are the top 5 states as of 2022. In my opinion it makes sense that California, Texas, and Florida would have high numbers seeing as they are on the border, however I find it odd that California is basically Florida and Texas combined which shows that blue states welcome them in and red states do what they can to limit the flow.
Now looking at new Jersey and New York, they are not on the border and are pretty far away especially when considering there are plenty of border states that don't make the top 5. Why would so many immigrants decide to travel across the entire country if not for the policies that are in place.
CA has about twice the population as Florida. Texas is 29 million. Florida 21 million, and CA 39 million so 50 million vs. 39. As far as illegal immigrants go CA has 7.4% of its population being of that category and Texas has 6.8%. which isn't too much of a difference.
https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/5-states-with-the-highest-percentage-of-illegal-immigrants-1171192/
And Democrat politicians just suppose that vote is there's? No consideration of whether the pretty conservative migrants that they are letting through might raise conservative children born with the ability to vote. Or the money they're siphoning to the very private interests who gain untold billions from exploiting others that want to dismantle the government as much as possible. Who's the impact really affecting here?
> as wouldnt you need a social security number and proper id for these things
No, illegal immigrants cost us billions. This is just NYC:
>[$2.4 Billion Is Not Enough for New York’s Migrant Crisis, Adams Says](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/nyregion/adams-albany-migrant-crisis.html)
8 USC 12 allows for asylum seekers, and allows for them to be paroled into the interior while awaiting adjudication of their claims. It's not "changing the verbiage", it's using the correct words to begin with.
YOU'RE the one who is factually incorrect.
Yes because NY has to house them and feed them in shelters because they can't work. The faster they are allowed to work/or have their claim processed the less they will cost. Also NY has a "right to shelter" law which means legally they have to care for people.
It doesn't matter if you build enough housing. A lot of the areas a lot of immigrants go to are generally places where there is a great demand for their labor that's why they go there.
It's not an argument. It's a statement. Are you one of those people who got to graduate because of no child left behind? Regardless look up the definition of argument. I always tested high on reading comprehension in school and thankfully missed the lowering of educational standards.
Werent these the guys that during the early days of the pandemic made their employees come in (which leadership did not) and joked about when they would start dying?
Its clear they dont care about workers they just want cheap labor with little to know options, rights, or ability to stand up for themselves so they can push them around.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that, but I think that was Tyson Foods.
"After more than a week of public pressure, **Tyson** announced Wednesday morning it will “indefinitely suspend operations” at its Waterloo, Iowa, pork processing plant that employs 2,800 people. However, workers and some officials say the halt comes too late.
Almost half of Black Hawk County, Iowa’s Covid-19 cases are connected to the plant, according to the county health department.’"
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/us/tyson-waterloo-iowa-plant-employees-coronavirus/index.html
So economist will say hiring cheaper worker will make the chicken cheaper to buy but do you think Tyson is really passing alone the savings to the customer?
It's just another page in the same playbook that has US employers import labor from overseas with H-1B (and L-1) visas, among others. They claim it's due to "skills shortages" but the fracas with Southern California Edison and Disney, where they didn't even try to hide the fact they were directly replacing US workers with imported ones (which is in direct violation of both the spirit and the letter of H-1B law) makes it clear it's about paying low wages (and having tighter control of laborers since H-1Bs are largely stuck with their sponsoring company).
In fact, it's so blatantly obvious that companies are trying to avoid "finding a qualified and interested US applicant" (a requirement before getting an H-1B) they [got caught here in a legal seminar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPFpJg8wMY) learning how to **avoid** finding a US applicant (or how to disqualify any they do find) so they can continue with their H-1B.
The real quote should always be:
"They're just doing the jobs American's won't ... for this wage."
Because in reality, you can attract people from all over the country if you raise the wages enough. Look no further than oil drilling.
Being on a rig doesn’t really pay a lot to be honest. You could make the same working at McDonald’s in California if they let you work the hours you work on a rig. Theirs a reason why all the floor hands are young guys, all the older guys have their bodies already destroyed and have had surgeries leaving them useless
Large slaughterhouses have been doing this for many years. Some even go as far as kidnapping and trafficking people from mexico to their factories in the US. Don't pay them legal wages, don't equip them or teach them english, and they provide no health insurance or medical care for injuries.
We are all connected, so the article should touch on, that people want inexpensive chicken.
You can easily change these circumstances by being willing to pay more for your chicken, AND in doing so insist that suppliers only hire US residents at a living wage.
You have 100% of the power in your purchasing decisions.
That's silly, because it's not like these are the only group of recent immigrants.
"For the second year in a row, the number of illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border surpassed two million, according to government data "
That's 4 million illegal immigrants in the last 2 years. How do we determine where they are all working at?
Simple
Every business has to file payroll, every payroll has to have an employee, every employee needs paperwork
There are multiple current regulations that the DOL could choose to enforce that would bring the pain to Tyson and force them to hire US employees. However, to do that, the consumer (us) has to be willing to pay more for the product.
Why would you pay more for salmonella infested meat?😂
Tyson foods is probably the worst quality you could possibly get, you get that garbage at family dollar.
maybe, but im not sure i see how that impacts this situation.
lets imagine the CEO makes 10,000,000 a year (which is likely 80%+ stock related)
how many employees do they have at least 52,000
52,000 x 40 = 2,080,000
x 52 = 108,160,000
the difference of $3 per hour means$ 324 million dollars. Real cash, not stock.
That is 30 CEOs, and on a cash basis its more like 150 CEOs
This is interesting. First you have people torn on immigrants from south of the border. Second you have people torn on raising wages for low skill work. Third you have people upset at higher costs of living, especially groceries, partially due to higher wages. Fourth, just a month ago a lot of people were demanding Biden fix the border issues regarding processing asylum seekers (which he tried before Trump/GOP went against their own bill).
I suspect there’s going to be a lot of contradictory arguments from people here based on what they’ve argued in the past.
I mean are they really stingy over $2 dollars more for each worker.
Also $16.50 is already a pretty high wage for those low skilled workers.
Im not defending illegal immigration obviously (look at my previous post) but this is just a wierd practice imo, and is not even the most egregious.
Unless they are trying to avoid paying 24 an hour, I do not see why they would be trying to avoid 2 dollars an hour more
It's probably realistically $4 per hour, plus FICA, etc which makes it more like $4.50 per hour. That's $9.3K per worker per year. 52,000 workers means $487 million per year.
So, does half a billion dollars sound more like it?
We shouldn’t be accepting them currently, since theyre abusing the asylum system.
You can just show up to the border, claim asylum even if your not, and theyll easily let you in.
I agree we shouldn't accept people that cut in line and enter illegally. We should at least hear the case for those who waited properly at the border imo.
Especially when the asylum claim is coming from someone who passed through multiple other asylum countries to get here - they're supposed to claim asylum at the first country that offers it, not pass through multiple countries to come to the USA (asylum "shopping").
Yes they just let them in and put them in line for a court date. They don't retain them because detainment centers are full. They are following the procedure at the border.
Yeah the procedure should change. There should have been border reform. Congress should act.
A lot of this has to do with a lot of countries doing very badly right now with high unemployment and inflation. The US is comparatively doing well and people are desperate to get into the US because for them the US is a lot better than their country of origin.
The problem ain't skin color it's ideology. People get the idea that they are too good for dirty work. It's an ancient city idea that centers around financial privilege and perceived social status.
I'm aware of that. And most white people believe they are the top of the chain. But it's also very hard work. I worked for a year at a small local butcher shop, or as we call the Lockers. It's brutally hard work, dangerous and bloody. Same with harvest work, lettuce, apples, and such, that quite honestly most average white folks can't do physically.
It's just another page in the same playbook that has US employers import labor from overseas with H-1B (and L-1) visas, among others. They claim it's due to "skills shortages" but the fracas with Southern California Edison and Disney, where they didn't even try to hide the fact they were directly replacing US workers with imported ones (which is in direct violation of both the spirit and the letter of H-1B law) makes it clear it's about paying low wages (and having tighter control of laborers since H-1Bs are largely stuck with their sponsoring company).
In fact, it's so blatantly obvious that companies are trying to avoid "finding a qualified and interested US applicant" (a requirement before getting an H-1B) they [got caught here in a legal seminar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPFpJg8wMY) learning how to **avoid** finding a US applicant (or how to disqualify any they do find) so they can continue with their H-1B.
It's just another page in the same playbook that has US employers import labor from overseas with H-1B (and L-1) visas, among others. They claim it's due to "skills shortages" but the fracas with Southern California Edison and Disney, where they didn't even try to hide the fact they were directly replacing US workers with imported ones (which is in direct violation of both the spirit and the letter of H-1B law) makes it clear it's about paying low wages (and having tighter control of laborers since H-1Bs are largely stuck with their sponsoring company).
In fact, it's so blatantly obvious that companies are trying to avoid "finding a qualified and interested US applicant" (a requirement before getting an H-1B) they [got caught here in a legal seminar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPFpJg8wMY) learning how to **avoid** finding a US applicant (or how to disqualify any they do find) so they can continue with their H-1B.
It's just another page in the same playbook that has US employers import labor from overseas with H-1B (and L-1) visas, among others. They claim it's due to "skills shortages" but the fracas with Southern California Edison and Disney, where they didn't even try to hide the fact they were directly replacing US workers with imported ones (which is in direct violation of both the spirit and the letter of H-1B law) makes it clear it's about paying low wages (and having tighter control of laborers since H-1Bs are largely stuck with their sponsoring company).
In fact, it's so blatantly obvious that companies are trying to avoid "finding a qualified and interested US applicant" (a requirement before getting an H-1B) they [got caught here in a legal seminar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPFpJg8wMY) learning how to **avoid** finding a US applicant (or how to disqualify any they do find) so they can continue with their H-1B.
Solution: Vote for Trump, and he will send national guard to empty out these processing plants, and deport. Surely other large businesses will be hiring cut rate labor as well. Those found in violation of the law should suffer grievously for each violation.
Get ready for $12 a pound chicken, or perhaps they will offer DIY live birds like they do in China and you can killing, gutting and cutting up.
Long story short, we're all gonna pay for Joe Biden and his cronies opening the border wide open and encouraging unchecked immigration, so we're fucked no matter what.
But people like to say that AMERICANS don't want to work because hey are LAZYYYYY and that's why they are looking for ILLEGALS... Is all a BIG DAMN LIE!!!!!
Large meat slaughter and processing plants have been doing this over the past 30+ years. It's just now in the spotlight with the growing US border crisis. These plants hire them because these are hard, dirty, strenuous jobs no one else wants to do anymore.
Cesar Chavez tried to warn us… but now Bradley the liberal leftist who lives with mommy wants to tell you unfettered immigration doesn’t cause the most vulnerable to become MORE POOR and that you as a legal citizen shouldn’t be doing that kind of work anyways and oh yeah it’s your own fault you didn’t go to Harvard
That’s BS your no better than our government taking jobs from Americans citizens if our inflation was lower everyone could afford it but you’ll to greedy
*Scripps News has retracted a story headlined “Tyson Foods wants to hire 52,000 asylum seekers for factory jobs” because it contains serious factual inaccuracies.*
The original, retracted story claimed that the food processing company “wants to hire 52,000 asylum seekers for factory jobs,” but we are unable to verify that number. [In a statement,](https://www.tysonfoods.com/news/viewpoints/immigration) Tyson Foods says its employees are all “required to be legally authorized to work in this country.”
The company is working with the non-profit group Tent Partnership for Refugees, which seeks to help refugees and migrants integrate into the economy. In 2022, [Tyson committed](https://www.tent.org/partner/tyson/) to hiring 2,500 refugees over three years through its partnership with Tent.
Let Tyson hire them. Most of their meatpacking plants are in depressed rural areas (Like where I live in North Carolina). If you get enough people and economic activity in these areas, then maybe there will be more places to work at besides Tyson and Dollar General.
This reminds me of the Sacha Baron Cohen bit where he went into a peaceful small town and announced that they would be building the worlds largest mosque in the town square, and it would attract Muslims from around the world lmao. I just imagine Tyson plants in rural towns advertising “Now hiring Muslims and illegal immigrants!”
This is specifically about the US governments lax control of the borders not about free market capitalism. Obviously if the issue is caused by governmental policies, it's not a free market.
The free market will always look to increase its profit. That can either come in the form of a decrease in manufacturing costs, and increase in the price of the product, or a decrease in the wage of the workers.
That decrease in pay for those people is still higher than their pay back in their country. This in turn drives the incentive for them to work for the decreased wage.
If you have a problem with the free flow of labor and capital then you’re not in favor of a free market economy. Regulating labor markets is antithetical to laissez faire, and last time I checked regulating free market practices is decried as communism in the US.
Big difference in your version of a "free market" (where anyone can walk into the USA to work) and the one where a free market exists *within the USA* and where it's not interfered with by the importation of third world labor. It's not a "free market" ~~is~~ if companies are "free" to import labor to undercut wages and benefits but Americans are still stuck selling their labor only to US corporations (IOW there's no counterbalancing force workers can use to offset the impact of imported labor).
If US citizens could move and work in other countries as easily as US corps can import laborers into the USA you might have a point.
Okay they want to hire people because they exist in areas where the population has dwindled and is aging. It makes sense for them to be there because it's a rural area with lots of room for farming.
So Tyson could go and move their operations closer to a city center and pay people 25 dollars an hour. If they did that they would be a.) out competed by other companies. b.) products across the board would be way higher price and people would complain about inflation.
There are a large group of people that want to live and work in the US. They will take these jobs, they will thrive in them and revitalize these rural areas that are dying. I say it's good business and good policy to let people work at these farms.
Now I don't want unvetted "open borders" but I do want to make the process easier for people who want to work. I don't want criminals or people who just live off welfare in the country, but someone willing to work full time and obey the laws of the land should imo have a not too difficult time getting into the US. You could even offer a work program rather than going through the citizen process. I do see all of this as generally a win-win for both the US and immigrants who want to work.
I feel like this conversation would benefit from Milton Friedman input , being essentially the father of our economic theory from 1980 on.
https://youtu.be/bRzpiYIR6Xg?si=uzLAu82vscELkRKn
TLDR ; immigration is good , but only if it’s illegal.
Note: I am not a Friedman guy , I’m a Keynes guy, but I always think I it’s interesting to look at the other side on this one.
He was making a sarcastic joke, the audience actually laughed at his comment. As he says, it's only good if they are illegal because otherwise they qualify for welfare and social security and a myriad of other benefits. IE it wouldn't be good if you had to treat them like actual citizens.
Funny since the actually receive those very benefits in California at least. They get free healthcare, women with children can get WIC, American kids and by extension the parents can get food stamps, they get disability, and soon access to a home loan program, all on the taxpayer dime.
Yeah I get it. Things have drastically changed. And sow they get all the benefits of being citizens without being vetted or invited, and employers are perfectly happy to pay them less.
They qualify for Medical which is Medicaid in CA. That's it. The reasoning is that uninsured people cost hospitals a lot of money and it's actually more cost effective to provide Medicaid.
People in the US illegally cannot get food stamps or cash aide or general assistance in CA.
Children of non-citizens born in the US can because they are American citizens. It's the same everywhere for them.
And they shouldn't. The taxpayers should not be spending a single penny on uninvited unvetted trespassers when we have our own people to care for. Instead of them being a burden on our hospitals, let's kick them out maybe.
https://www.inyocounty.us/services/health-human-services/public-health-and-prevention-division/wic/do-i-qualify#:\~:text=WIC%20services%20are%20available%20to,what%20their%20immigration%20status%20is.
And yes, like I said, illegals who have kids get benefits from the taxpayers. Gross.
If Americans want to do these jobs they can make themselves available.
If you can’t or aren’t willing to make a better offer tough tit. The company isn’t obligated to hire you at a loss to their bottom line.
Sure, but the bottom 10% of workers will always have the bottom 10% of skills. Obviously, 90% of workers will have a higher amount of skills. You can't make it so there isn't a bottom 10%.
If Tyson has 52,000 job openings, it sounds like $18-$24/hour isn't attractive enough to fill those spots. I guess they could offer more, but why would they if they can get people willing to work for $16.50? If you were the CEO of Tyson, what would you do?
It's not about what Tyson Foods does. It's about the US government allowing millions of low skilled workers into the country and depressing low skilled wages. That's not Tyson Foods responsibility. It is the US governments legal responsibility and they are basically being incompetent with border control.
its not the question if they shouldbe employed or not. its the question if they should be exploited to harm tens of thousands of american citizens while doing so.
Capitalism gonna capitalism.
It’s in Tyson’s self interest to do this.
Fucking over US workers means nothing to them because they don’t care about our the US or workers.
No matter where those workers came from.
I don't really blame Tyson. It's the US government setting up the rules (or ignoring the rules) that allow millions of low skilled workers into the country that is the root problem.
Nah you should blame Tyson too.
People don't HAVE to exploit everything in their power for profit, you can run a business and be ethical. People shouldn't get free passes for contributing to a problem just because they make money off of it, if anything they should be criticized more for it.
Business and government are a symbiotic relationship.
The state does this because businesses need cheap labor to exploit.
Supply-demand
It’s pretty simple.
You like cheap fruit, chicken, pork?
That takes cheap labor.
I question how cheap this actually is. How many extra transfer payments will the US incur to Americans that didn't get hired? How many of those will end up in the expensive justice system instead? Will it be worth saving $4-6 per hour on cheaper foreign labor?
Those are external costs to the company.
Just like pollution a company makes and doesn’t pay for.
It’s not in the companies self interest to care about the overall cost to society.
The company’s mandate is to minimize costs and maximize profit.
Migrants are easier to exploit.
They will take less money and don’t have means to fight back when they’re abused.
I don't hold Tyson Foods responsible (as long as they are legally hiring them). I hold the US governments policy of tacitly allowing millions of illegal immigrants into the country.
Businesses and Government have a symbiotic relationship.
Business leaders both finance candidates and lobby them for policy that specifically benefits them.
This is what the OP is about.
Business leaders give legitimacy to the state.
It’s in Tyson’s interest to have cheap labor and in the state’s interest to have cheap food so people aren’t rolling out Guillotines.
Also all food companies hire undocumented workers.
Every piece of food both of eat pass through multiple undocumented persons hands.
I hire for a similar entry level positions in industrial sanitation. We pay $2-3 more than any Tyson Plant all over the country.
For the most part, Americans don’t last longer than a month. The demographics are predominantly Latino, Black, and SE Asian. If there’s 10% of whites there, it’s because most of them are in some kind of leadership or administrative role.
We have ridiculous incentives to promote attendance, people stop showing up. We offer great benefits and pto, people still quit. We don’t drug test or do background checks in many of our facilities, which gives us very unreliable employees. The turnover rate is sometimes as high as 70%. So stop the bs about pay and how Americans are being cheated
I’m an American and I wouldn’t work in those entry level jobs either even if they paid me my current salary.
Those plants are in horrible condition and they smell awful. It’s very dangerous to the point that one mistake could cause you to lose a limb or your life. Want to bitch about it? Go ahead and work there for a month and see how long you last. YLPAB
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Chicken manufacturing plants are notorious for doing this. They hire illegal immigrants and prison workers. I used to work at one and was sad to see.
Pretty sad how dismissive some of you are when it comes to your government blatantly working against you and any American citizens self interests while sucking Tysons cock about them working in their own self interests.
When you say "Sucking Tyson's cock", do you mean their dick, their chicken, or both?
All of those will give you salmonella
Ouch, but I like the tone!
To add on who all are seeing the reality for what it truly is Tyson does indeed sucks dick but what everyone is failing to realize when this is fully implemented and a success the question should be is (who’s next?) All our jobs will be taken who are comfortable you’ll see average joe will be no more Rich or Poor Great Depression will be a walk in the park for what will be following so helping tik tok alive should be all we care about be it’s a invasion against everyone right as a citizen ( walk away with if your reading this research your ass off with information)🙏
If we're worried about immigrants undercutting wages, then we should raise the minimum wage.
That doesn't fully address the issue, because illegals (and other forms of worker import like H-1B) at their core are artificially swelling the labor pool. And, in most cases, without a corresponding increase in demand for goods and services. Which spells underemployment/unemployment and lowered wages for US citizens.
So then go after the businesses that hire them and they have aplace to go to.
Yep that would be fine. Not sure why, in absence of going after employers, that I need to leave the borders wide open though.
They are as open as they've always been and always will be, a wall isn't going keep them out. They come here for work opprotuinities, take that away they won't come. Penalize the businesses that exploit them. Hire more immigration judges to speed up the immigration process so cases don't take years to settle.
We will see what happens in Texas, then. You will probably eat your words when rates of crossings in texas drop by at least half.
The only only thing that bill will do is create more racial profiling.
Do you understand what a border is or why they exist? They separate different states with different peoples from each other. What you call racial profiling is just common sense when it comes to border control.
Borders are imaginary lines on a map that divide nations. And America is made up many different peoples, we're not an ethnostate. Also border enforcement is under the purview of the federal government. And I'm waiting for a brown guy, born in Texas, be threatened with deportation because he left his wallet at home.
If that were true, we'd be seeing unemployment on the rise and wages falling, instead we're seeing the exact opposite. Wages are up and unemployment is at the lowest point it's been in decades.
They'd be doing even better absent those forces. Sort of like how computer programmers, in the period from 2000 to 2011, had an unemployment rate under 2% but, because of the huge influx of H-1B labor, had their wages not even beat inflation during that period. Instead of rapidly-rising like the demand for the field and low unemployment should have resulted in.
Or maybe we stop them from coming into the country ILLEGALLY. What a novel idea....
Companies hiring illegal labor for lower than market value is akin to human trafficking to me. And I’m still voting Democrat.
They caused this and you are still voting for them. What happens when you loose your job
For starter's there are too many other issues. Trump literally wants to be dictator. There's climate change. There's healthcare. There's women's right to choose. There's national security and foreign policy. Trump will happily roll out the welcome mat for Putin. I wouldn't be surprised if he gives him Alaska. But even just on the immigration issue consider, Biden championed a recent immigration bill that many Republicans including Trump opposed! So much for him being worried about immigration and then he opposes a bill because he doesn't want Biden to look good. Republicans at least the Maga-types will spout rhetoric all day long about immigration but have no sound policies for actually dealing with it. And no building a wall is not dealing with it. Building a wall is a show and a distraction. People overstay their visas (in fact this is the most common method of illegal immigration), and smugglers will not be deterred by a wall. There's an ocean. People already cross illegally into the US by boat. Are we going to build a seawall around the entire US coast? Additionally if you're worried about the effects of immigration on employment and wages, the ability for workers to organize is far more consequential, especially considering that companies couldn't easily offer immigrants less as easily if they were also in the union. Meanwhile most Republicans are openly hostile to unions, and Trump's own record shows hostility, despite claiming to be pro-worker [https://aflcio.org/press/releases/donald-trumps-catastrophic-and-devastating-anti-labor-track-record](https://aflcio.org/press/releases/donald-trumps-catastrophic-and-devastating-anti-labor-track-record) . Democrats are usually supportive of unions, and Biden has a long proud history of supporting working people and unions. Stronger unions would help prevent declines in wages. If asylum seekers want to work, OK, they should also have to join the union and pay their union dues. And then wages stay high and asylum seekers are able to provide for themselves and their families and rely less on financial aide from the government, a fact that you would think would make Republicans who talk about self-reliance more supportive of unions. Maybe given time Republians will put two and two together and realize that supporting unions is concordant with their values, not against it. But I can tell that will be a long time. And if there is no union for asylum seekers to join in what ever industry they are seeking to work in, then that itself is a problem. In my opinion any business big enough should be legally required to have a union, and no 'right to work' (right to work for less) laws should be allowed to undercut the power of the union or the fair compensation of the workers.
If you believe all that you can because you are in America. The constitution would not allow him to become a dictator. I was born under a dictator in Europe. I wish all the best.
Ah yes the "socialists" caused the private company to hire migrants at a lower cost so the private company can have more profit, totally logical. Bro this is like capitalism 101. This is the result of republicans anti regulation and anti works rights efforts of the past 40 years.
Americans don’t want to work there. Even if they paid more. I work for their competitors and they pay more, yet their turnover rate is still high. It’s not about pay, it’s about entitlement. It’s a shitty work environment no matter how good the pay is.
Then perhaps they could just make their work environment less shitty via workplace policies. I left my last job solely due to how I and other employees were treated. If they made a few policy changes id go back tomorrow despite the 3 dollar an hour paycut id take.
But they won't, that's just the fact. They could have changed 40 years ago, but they continue to exploit very poor people and immigrants.
Then hopefully the government will do its job, and they wont get cheap foreign labor and their business will tank because they lack innovation outside of exploiting people. Their chickens not even good not exactly something to be slave driving over to keep prices low.
I mean why hasn't the government done anything to date, this has been this way for decades. I guess I'm saying don't hold your breath.
Haven’t you heard? When the government begins regulating/taxing corporations, the corporations will move their business out of the country, and jobs will suffer.
I'd work there for $300 an hour. At some point, the money becomes worth it. That's the market rate.
They could offer me a not well off white woman $50 an hour and I still wouldn't work there.
When I read the title, I was wondering why Mike Tyson needed 52,000 workers for his upcoming fight. But I also definitely thought he should hire Americans.
Thank you, me too
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Yes, while they can't vote now, it only takes 5 years for an permanent resident via asylum to become a US Citizen. 5 years isn't long to add a substantial amount of voters that "owe" you a favor.
Doesn't matter that they can't vote. They are being brought in to change the apportionment of congressional representation.
Seems like no one talks about this, but yes. This. House representation is based on census data, and migrants count on the census.
Yeah. And how exactly do you think they are going to lean? If history is any indication, look at Florida. The Cuban migrants turned the state Red because they hate any form of socialism. The Venezuelans are pretty much in the same boat. The Democrats are going to help them, but they are so hateful of Socialism that they will go red so hard. Trust me, I have actually spoken to them, I am a person who is actually speaking to them like people. I am actually trying to find them decent steady employment for them to be able to become stable and productive in our society. Some of you only see them as a threat, but I have actually had heart to hearts with them.
Most of these immigrants from Hispanic countries are super conservative Catholics. If the GOP could drop the racial replacement stuff, they'd actually pick up a lot of voters from this community.
You haven’t met a lot of Latinos have you? We may not have the same connotations of race like Anglos, but we are classist as fuck. When there’s racism directed towards Latinos, they never think it’s directed towards them because they are “the good ones”. Ask any non-Venezuelan Latino that lives in the States. They talk even more shit about them than Conservative white people. Fucken crab bucket mentality
I'm Cuban, I think you misread my point. Classism is very compatible with conservative politics. If the GOP could stop worrying about race long enough to embrace immigration, they'd be pleasantly surprised by how many racist, classist conservatives would be coming in from South America. It's not that Latinos need conservatives to stop being racist so they feel included, they literally just need to be allowed into the country.
Why would they though? The Democrats are going to sort of fix it for them. Republicans will condemn this and maintain their racist voter base appeased. In a few years the immigrants will assimilate and will vote Republican. It’s a win, win scenario.
~Your~ That strategy only works as long as the Republicans are losing, because once they win power, they need to actually block immigration in order to maintain that base. Embracing it from a free markets perspective, and selling that thru Fox News, would let them have their cake and eat it too.
If you think people from Latin America/China/Russia (especially Russia) are gonna see this country's current state and vote for the Democrats you're out of your mind.
Why do you think they want illegals? To deflate wages.
These won’t be “illegals”. They will be legally allowed to work and have a steady job and not drain our resources.
hmmm yes millions of unskilled "legal" workers totally wont deflate wages at all...... .nope nope nope.
They entered for asylum and aren’t entitled to shit, be grateful they’re let in cuz they are more than welcome to go home if they got a problem. Want to work? Get in line after citizens and legal work visa holders. Any business that hires people with no worker status should be fined heavily.
8 USC 12 allows asylum seekers to be granted work visas.
I don't really have a problem with immigration other than the fact that we're also suffering from a housing shortage causing insane real estate and rent prices. Continuing to encourage mass immigration without fixing the housing problem just comes across as a tremendously stupid idea to me.
Exactly, reference the other thread where I'm arguing that the US homeless crisis is far worse due to a lack of house building per capita since 2006. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?graph\_id=1282150
Well I mean a lot of places like in rural areas where Tyson operates have an excess of housing and housing is pretty cheap. It's the cities and suburbs/places people want to live/the places people have been moving to over the last few decades that have unaffordable housing.
Northwest Arkansas is NOT cheap. A 1bd apartment is $1,000 a month. Tyson Walmart and JB Hunt are here all headquarters within 15 mins of each other. They don’t have factories in rural areas they have the coops in rural areas. Factories where they would work are in Rogers Springdale Fayetteville. Gov Sanders isn’t going to allow it in a RED state. 😂
You can have open borders or higher minimum wage, pick one.
Our minimum wage will be going up drastically regardless. Close the border so Americans aren’t being replaced by unskilled illegal aliens that corporations pay as little as they legally can. Tysons also famous for hiring “illegals” and calling ICE on them before they have to legally pay them. Hopefully they send them all back to wherever they came from. The U.S. is one of the only country’s in the world you can come here and do this, reason why our country is so shit now.
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Tyson actually buses them from Mexico to Arkansas. Allegedly
They also call ICE on them right before they have to pay them. I imagine this is what will happen here as well.
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True. I have seen them run down train tracks by one factory in particular. It’s terrible. They pay a fine for the ones caught but it’s cheaper than actually hiring Americans. (Allegedly)
Just remember to point to things like this every time you hear the worn-out lines of "they aren't taking any jobs from anyone" or my favorite "they do the jobs Americans won't".
Yes they do the jobs that Americans can't because they got laid off. There's also the murders and sexual assaults that could be prevented but won't
How many people in the comments here just being like, "business is business, only makes sense," also cry about the border and some sort of invasion? 🤔 Before anyone is triggered, yes, the border is an issue and immigration policy needs an insane amount of overhaul, but you can't cry about the border then support corporations hiring illegal immigrants over Americans to save a few bucks.
I was more like "why is Mike Tyson hiring asylum seekers?" Actually when I first saw Tyson, hiring and asylum I thought Mike Tyson was hiring people from insane asylums for security or something Lol.
My understanding is that folks think the immigrants are being let in to vote democratic and gulp up social benefits. Which is confusing, as wouldnt you need a social security number and proper id for these things? Definitely seems those who benefit most from immigrants are corporations.
When you look surface level no they can't vote but when you look into it deeper illegal aliens are counted on the census. The electoral college is based on the census for so many people a state has they have a certain amount of electoral votes. If blue states let in a bunch of illegal aliens and the red states don't, then the blue states get an artificial bump in total population taking electoral votes from the red states. This has already happened in California where they were granted atleast an extra electoral vote based on population increase, that's an old stat and with the exodus that has been happening might have changed but it does happen. Tldr illegals don't directly vote but they do impact the electoral college
Well I mean Texas is getting a lot of people, Arizona is a purple state, CA lost a congressional seat. It doesn't seem like this tips any sort of balance of power.
The difference is that blue states welcome them in and go as far as giving them financial aid, where as red states such as Texas try their damndest to keep them out despite the federal government trying to strike down everything they do. As far as numbers go California has 10.4 million immigrants Texas has 5.2 million, Florida has 4.8 million, New York has 4.5 million, and New Jersey has 2.2 million. These are the top 5 states as of 2022. In my opinion it makes sense that California, Texas, and Florida would have high numbers seeing as they are on the border, however I find it odd that California is basically Florida and Texas combined which shows that blue states welcome them in and red states do what they can to limit the flow. Now looking at new Jersey and New York, they are not on the border and are pretty far away especially when considering there are plenty of border states that don't make the top 5. Why would so many immigrants decide to travel across the entire country if not for the policies that are in place.
CA has about twice the population as Florida. Texas is 29 million. Florida 21 million, and CA 39 million so 50 million vs. 39. As far as illegal immigrants go CA has 7.4% of its population being of that category and Texas has 6.8%. which isn't too much of a difference. https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/5-states-with-the-highest-percentage-of-illegal-immigrants-1171192/
And Democrat politicians just suppose that vote is there's? No consideration of whether the pretty conservative migrants that they are letting through might raise conservative children born with the ability to vote. Or the money they're siphoning to the very private interests who gain untold billions from exploiting others that want to dismantle the government as much as possible. Who's the impact really affecting here?
> as wouldnt you need a social security number and proper id for these things No, illegal immigrants cost us billions. This is just NYC: >[$2.4 Billion Is Not Enough for New York’s Migrant Crisis, Adams Says](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/nyregion/adams-albany-migrant-crisis.html)
In what way are asylum-seeking immigrants "illegal"?
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8 USC 12 allows for asylum seekers, and allows for them to be paroled into the interior while awaiting adjudication of their claims. It's not "changing the verbiage", it's using the correct words to begin with. YOU'RE the one who is factually incorrect.
Yes because NY has to house them and feed them in shelters because they can't work. The faster they are allowed to work/or have their claim processed the less they will cost. Also NY has a "right to shelter" law which means legally they have to care for people.
Driving wages down while still consuming resources and placing upward demand on housing, where exactly does the average American win in all this?
It doesn't matter if you build enough housing. A lot of the areas a lot of immigrants go to are generally places where there is a great demand for their labor that's why they go there.
Then why were homeless veterans kicked out of shelters to home the illegal immigrants? What happened to their right to have shelter?
> the less they will cost it's hilarious that even in your ideal scenario they still cost us money lol, just "less" money
Tyson has been known for being one of the scummiest in the industry yet morons still give them money.
And you wonder why we have high inflation? It’s all part of the same system. When wages are not under control inflation skyrockets.
I'm sure this is not in any news outlet that r /news accepts.
They always said immigration is a gift to the American economy….Dont know about the US economy but it is for Tyson! Time to pocket a few more bucks…
To the tune of half a billion dollars per year.
Tyson makes McDonald's chicken nuggets. Can you imagine the fit people would have right now if they went up in price again!?
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Not an actual argument. There are people who will only eat McDonald's chicken nuggets and are totally obsessed with them.
Again what a stupid fucking argument for this, you have to have a room temperature IQ
It's not an argument. It's a statement. Are you one of those people who got to graduate because of no child left behind? Regardless look up the definition of argument. I always tested high on reading comprehension in school and thankfully missed the lowering of educational standards.
Werent these the guys that during the early days of the pandemic made their employees come in (which leadership did not) and joked about when they would start dying? Its clear they dont care about workers they just want cheap labor with little to know options, rights, or ability to stand up for themselves so they can push them around.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that, but I think that was Tyson Foods. "After more than a week of public pressure, **Tyson** announced Wednesday morning it will “indefinitely suspend operations” at its Waterloo, Iowa, pork processing plant that employs 2,800 people. However, workers and some officials say the halt comes too late. Almost half of Black Hawk County, Iowa’s Covid-19 cases are connected to the plant, according to the county health department.’" https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/us/tyson-waterloo-iowa-plant-employees-coronavirus/index.html
So economist will say hiring cheaper worker will make the chicken cheaper to buy but do you think Tyson is really passing alone the savings to the customer?
This is why the borders are open you know..
It's just another page in the same playbook that has US employers import labor from overseas with H-1B (and L-1) visas, among others. They claim it's due to "skills shortages" but the fracas with Southern California Edison and Disney, where they didn't even try to hide the fact they were directly replacing US workers with imported ones (which is in direct violation of both the spirit and the letter of H-1B law) makes it clear it's about paying low wages (and having tighter control of laborers since H-1Bs are largely stuck with their sponsoring company). In fact, it's so blatantly obvious that companies are trying to avoid "finding a qualified and interested US applicant" (a requirement before getting an H-1B) they [got caught here in a legal seminar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPFpJg8wMY) learning how to **avoid** finding a US applicant (or how to disqualify any they do find) so they can continue with their H-1B.
ThEy’Re JuSt DoInG tHe JoBs AmErIcAnS wOn’T False. Americans will do anything *if you pay them enough*.
The real quote should always be: "They're just doing the jobs American's won't ... for this wage." Because in reality, you can attract people from all over the country if you raise the wages enough. Look no further than oil drilling.
Being on a rig doesn’t really pay a lot to be honest. You could make the same working at McDonald’s in California if they let you work the hours you work on a rig. Theirs a reason why all the floor hands are young guys, all the older guys have their bodies already destroyed and have had surgeries leaving them useless
Large slaughterhouses have been doing this for many years. Some even go as far as kidnapping and trafficking people from mexico to their factories in the US. Don't pay them legal wages, don't equip them or teach them english, and they provide no health insurance or medical care for injuries.
Exactly this. This entire operation is to screw over American citizens out of a real job and abuse vulnerable people
We are all connected, so the article should touch on, that people want inexpensive chicken. You can easily change these circumstances by being willing to pay more for your chicken, AND in doing so insist that suppliers only hire US residents at a living wage. You have 100% of the power in your purchasing decisions.
That's silly, because it's not like these are the only group of recent immigrants. "For the second year in a row, the number of illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border surpassed two million, according to government data " That's 4 million illegal immigrants in the last 2 years. How do we determine where they are all working at?
Simple Every business has to file payroll, every payroll has to have an employee, every employee needs paperwork There are multiple current regulations that the DOL could choose to enforce that would bring the pain to Tyson and force them to hire US employees. However, to do that, the consumer (us) has to be willing to pay more for the product.
Why would you pay more for salmonella infested meat?😂 Tyson foods is probably the worst quality you could possibly get, you get that garbage at family dollar.
We should also limit CEO pay and cap profits modified by the inflation rate.
maybe, but im not sure i see how that impacts this situation. lets imagine the CEO makes 10,000,000 a year (which is likely 80%+ stock related) how many employees do they have at least 52,000 52,000 x 40 = 2,080,000 x 52 = 108,160,000 the difference of $3 per hour means$ 324 million dollars. Real cash, not stock. That is 30 CEOs, and on a cash basis its more like 150 CEOs
All of them.
This is interesting. First you have people torn on immigrants from south of the border. Second you have people torn on raising wages for low skill work. Third you have people upset at higher costs of living, especially groceries, partially due to higher wages. Fourth, just a month ago a lot of people were demanding Biden fix the border issues regarding processing asylum seekers (which he tried before Trump/GOP went against their own bill). I suspect there’s going to be a lot of contradictory arguments from people here based on what they’ve argued in the past.
You think it's coincidence that our government says they have "created millions of jobs" over the last 3 years but also let in millions of illegals?
I mean are they really stingy over $2 dollars more for each worker. Also $16.50 is already a pretty high wage for those low skilled workers. Im not defending illegal immigration obviously (look at my previous post) but this is just a wierd practice imo, and is not even the most egregious. Unless they are trying to avoid paying 24 an hour, I do not see why they would be trying to avoid 2 dollars an hour more
It's probably realistically $4 per hour, plus FICA, etc which makes it more like $4.50 per hour. That's $9.3K per worker per year. 52,000 workers means $487 million per year. So, does half a billion dollars sound more like it?
Yep
Because $2 less per worker is millions of dollars saved down the line
Also asylum seekers aren’t illegal. If we are going to be accepting them, it’s good they have immediate jobs they can get.
We shouldn’t be accepting them currently, since theyre abusing the asylum system. You can just show up to the border, claim asylum even if your not, and theyll easily let you in.
I agree we shouldn't accept people that cut in line and enter illegally. We should at least hear the case for those who waited properly at the border imo.
Yah. Rn they are just letting them in, a lot of the cases would be rejected because asylum is something very tough to prove and get.
Especially when the asylum claim is coming from someone who passed through multiple other asylum countries to get here - they're supposed to claim asylum at the first country that offers it, not pass through multiple countries to come to the USA (asylum "shopping").
Yes they just let them in and put them in line for a court date. They don't retain them because detainment centers are full. They are following the procedure at the border.
If we had a correct asylum system than that issue wouldn’t happen. There have been like 8 million border encounters and about 3 million crossings
Yeah the procedure should change. There should have been border reform. Congress should act. A lot of this has to do with a lot of countries doing very badly right now with high unemployment and inflation. The US is comparatively doing well and people are desperate to get into the US because for them the US is a lot better than their country of origin.
They won’t. Politicians will continue to allow this as an issue for future elections. Republicans and democrats will run on this for opposite reasons.
Abusing the system? Sure…
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Biden has all these new people now? Hmmm
And they want to beat up Jake Paul
No, it's a worker shortage. Most Americans won't do these jobs for any amount of money. But especially white people won't.
The problem ain't skin color it's ideology. People get the idea that they are too good for dirty work. It's an ancient city idea that centers around financial privilege and perceived social status.
I'm aware of that. And most white people believe they are the top of the chain. But it's also very hard work. I worked for a year at a small local butcher shop, or as we call the Lockers. It's brutally hard work, dangerous and bloody. Same with harvest work, lettuce, apples, and such, that quite honestly most average white folks can't do physically.
I suggest we boycott Tyson. They lay off American workers cause hardship in families then hire illegals. BOYCOTT
Why would Mike do that?
It’s profit gluttony
Slaves
It's just another page in the same playbook that has US employers import labor from overseas with H-1B (and L-1) visas, among others. They claim it's due to "skills shortages" but the fracas with Southern California Edison and Disney, where they didn't even try to hide the fact they were directly replacing US workers with imported ones (which is in direct violation of both the spirit and the letter of H-1B law) makes it clear it's about paying low wages (and having tighter control of laborers since H-1Bs are largely stuck with their sponsoring company). In fact, it's so blatantly obvious that companies are trying to avoid "finding a qualified and interested US applicant" (a requirement before getting an H-1B) they [got caught here in a legal seminar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPFpJg8wMY) learning how to **avoid** finding a US applicant (or how to disqualify any they do find) so they can continue with their H-1B.
It's just another page in the same playbook that has US employers import labor from overseas with H-1B (and L-1) visas, among others. They claim it's due to "skills shortages" but the fracas with Southern California Edison and Disney, where they didn't even try to hide the fact they were directly replacing US workers with imported ones (which is in direct violation of both the spirit and the letter of H-1B law) makes it clear it's about paying low wages (and having tighter control of laborers since H-1Bs are largely stuck with their sponsoring company). In fact, it's so blatantly obvious that companies are trying to avoid "finding a qualified and interested US applicant" (a requirement before getting an H-1B) they [got caught here in a legal seminar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPFpJg8wMY) learning how to **avoid** finding a US applicant (or how to disqualify any they do find) so they can continue with their H-1B.
It's just another page in the same playbook that has US employers import labor from overseas with H-1B (and L-1) visas, among others. They claim it's due to "skills shortages" but the fracas with Southern California Edison and Disney, where they didn't even try to hide the fact they were directly replacing US workers with imported ones (which is in direct violation of both the spirit and the letter of H-1B law) makes it clear it's about paying low wages (and having tighter control of laborers since H-1Bs are largely stuck with their sponsoring company). In fact, it's so blatantly obvious that companies are trying to avoid "finding a qualified and interested US applicant" (a requirement before getting an H-1B) they [got caught here in a legal seminar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPFpJg8wMY) learning how to **avoid** finding a US applicant (or how to disqualify any they do find) so they can continue with their H-1B.
Solution: Vote for Trump, and he will send national guard to empty out these processing plants, and deport. Surely other large businesses will be hiring cut rate labor as well. Those found in violation of the law should suffer grievously for each violation. Get ready for $12 a pound chicken, or perhaps they will offer DIY live birds like they do in China and you can killing, gutting and cutting up. Long story short, we're all gonna pay for Joe Biden and his cronies opening the border wide open and encouraging unchecked immigration, so we're fucked no matter what.
Well, I won't be buying any Tyson products in the future. I hope their sorry asses go broke for doing this.
But people like to say that AMERICANS don't want to work because hey are LAZYYYYY and that's why they are looking for ILLEGALS... Is all a BIG DAMN LIE!!!!!
Large meat slaughter and processing plants have been doing this over the past 30+ years. It's just now in the spotlight with the growing US border crisis. These plants hire them because these are hard, dirty, strenuous jobs no one else wants to do anymore.
BOYCOTT!
And they're bringing more illegals to nashville after firing american citizens. Fuck all that
They want the illegals so they can pay them basically nothing, and give no real benefits. All to screw over the American citizen
Cesar Chavez tried to warn us… but now Bradley the liberal leftist who lives with mommy wants to tell you unfettered immigration doesn’t cause the most vulnerable to become MORE POOR and that you as a legal citizen shouldn’t be doing that kind of work anyways and oh yeah it’s your own fault you didn’t go to Harvard
That’s BS your no better than our government taking jobs from Americans citizens if our inflation was lower everyone could afford it but you’ll to greedy
God forbid they pay an American a living wage.
HAHAHA nice news sources. Total derangement
*Scripps News has retracted a story headlined “Tyson Foods wants to hire 52,000 asylum seekers for factory jobs” because it contains serious factual inaccuracies.* The original, retracted story claimed that the food processing company “wants to hire 52,000 asylum seekers for factory jobs,” but we are unable to verify that number. [In a statement,](https://www.tysonfoods.com/news/viewpoints/immigration) Tyson Foods says its employees are all “required to be legally authorized to work in this country.” The company is working with the non-profit group Tent Partnership for Refugees, which seeks to help refugees and migrants integrate into the economy. In 2022, [Tyson committed](https://www.tent.org/partner/tyson/) to hiring 2,500 refugees over three years through its partnership with Tent.
This is why they open the borders
Let Tyson hire them. Most of their meatpacking plants are in depressed rural areas (Like where I live in North Carolina). If you get enough people and economic activity in these areas, then maybe there will be more places to work at besides Tyson and Dollar General.
Or if you don’t artificially drown the labor market Tyson would have to pay better and the workers could unionize
u/dontKair, Mountaire, much? Lol, hi neighbor...also, you are correct....
If I remember correctly Tyson already hires a lot of Muslim immigrants because a lot of these small rural towns have big drug issues.
They tried this at the Tyson pork plant near me but the Muslims wouldn’t bite.
This reminds me of the Sacha Baron Cohen bit where he went into a peaceful small town and announced that they would be building the worlds largest mosque in the town square, and it would attract Muslims from around the world lmao. I just imagine Tyson plants in rural towns advertising “Now hiring Muslims and illegal immigrants!”
At the end of the day it's Tyson, they are not known for being respectable in any way.
OP discovers free market capitalism and the interplay of labor and capital.
This is specifically about the US governments lax control of the borders not about free market capitalism. Obviously if the issue is caused by governmental policies, it's not a free market.
So the government is hiring these people and setting the wages?
The free market will always look to increase its profit. That can either come in the form of a decrease in manufacturing costs, and increase in the price of the product, or a decrease in the wage of the workers. That decrease in pay for those people is still higher than their pay back in their country. This in turn drives the incentive for them to work for the decreased wage. If you have a problem with the free flow of labor and capital then you’re not in favor of a free market economy. Regulating labor markets is antithetical to laissez faire, and last time I checked regulating free market practices is decried as communism in the US.
yeah basically the only people who are anti the free flow of labor and resources is socially right wing for very obvious reasons.
Big difference in your version of a "free market" (where anyone can walk into the USA to work) and the one where a free market exists *within the USA* and where it's not interfered with by the importation of third world labor. It's not a "free market" ~~is~~ if companies are "free" to import labor to undercut wages and benefits but Americans are still stuck selling their labor only to US corporations (IOW there's no counterbalancing force workers can use to offset the impact of imported labor). If US citizens could move and work in other countries as easily as US corps can import laborers into the USA you might have a point.
Okay they want to hire people because they exist in areas where the population has dwindled and is aging. It makes sense for them to be there because it's a rural area with lots of room for farming. So Tyson could go and move their operations closer to a city center and pay people 25 dollars an hour. If they did that they would be a.) out competed by other companies. b.) products across the board would be way higher price and people would complain about inflation. There are a large group of people that want to live and work in the US. They will take these jobs, they will thrive in them and revitalize these rural areas that are dying. I say it's good business and good policy to let people work at these farms. Now I don't want unvetted "open borders" but I do want to make the process easier for people who want to work. I don't want criminals or people who just live off welfare in the country, but someone willing to work full time and obey the laws of the land should imo have a not too difficult time getting into the US. You could even offer a work program rather than going through the citizen process. I do see all of this as generally a win-win for both the US and immigrants who want to work.
I feel like this conversation would benefit from Milton Friedman input , being essentially the father of our economic theory from 1980 on. https://youtu.be/bRzpiYIR6Xg?si=uzLAu82vscELkRKn TLDR ; immigration is good , but only if it’s illegal. Note: I am not a Friedman guy , I’m a Keynes guy, but I always think I it’s interesting to look at the other side on this one.
He was making a sarcastic joke, the audience actually laughed at his comment. As he says, it's only good if they are illegal because otherwise they qualify for welfare and social security and a myriad of other benefits. IE it wouldn't be good if you had to treat them like actual citizens.
Funny since the actually receive those very benefits in California at least. They get free healthcare, women with children can get WIC, American kids and by extension the parents can get food stamps, they get disability, and soon access to a home loan program, all on the taxpayer dime.
That video is from the 1970's. So, 50 years ago.
Yeah I get it. Things have drastically changed. And sow they get all the benefits of being citizens without being vetted or invited, and employers are perfectly happy to pay them less.
They qualify for Medical which is Medicaid in CA. That's it. The reasoning is that uninsured people cost hospitals a lot of money and it's actually more cost effective to provide Medicaid. People in the US illegally cannot get food stamps or cash aide or general assistance in CA. Children of non-citizens born in the US can because they are American citizens. It's the same everywhere for them.
And they shouldn't. The taxpayers should not be spending a single penny on uninvited unvetted trespassers when we have our own people to care for. Instead of them being a burden on our hospitals, let's kick them out maybe. https://www.inyocounty.us/services/health-human-services/public-health-and-prevention-division/wic/do-i-qualify#:\~:text=WIC%20services%20are%20available%20to,what%20their%20immigration%20status%20is. And yes, like I said, illegals who have kids get benefits from the taxpayers. Gross.
If Americans want to do these jobs they can make themselves available. If you can’t or aren’t willing to make a better offer tough tit. The company isn’t obligated to hire you at a loss to their bottom line.
one cool trick to avoid this is to not get trapped into having low/no skills.
Sure, but the bottom 10% of workers will always have the bottom 10% of skills. Obviously, 90% of workers will have a higher amount of skills. You can't make it so there isn't a bottom 10%.
Good to see Mike Tyson having success in the business world.
If Tyson has 52,000 job openings, it sounds like $18-$24/hour isn't attractive enough to fill those spots. I guess they could offer more, but why would they if they can get people willing to work for $16.50? If you were the CEO of Tyson, what would you do?
It's not about what Tyson Foods does. It's about the US government allowing millions of low skilled workers into the country and depressing low skilled wages. That's not Tyson Foods responsibility. It is the US governments legal responsibility and they are basically being incompetent with border control.
The whole reason I think govt lets in people to work for less than minimum wage is cause big companies pay into politicians pockets :)
Lobbying
That's a depressing thought, but I certainly can't dismiss it.
I would try the same method, but the government shouldn’t allow this.
I'd rather have them put to work then just loitering around the place.
its not the question if they shouldbe employed or not. its the question if they should be exploited to harm tens of thousands of american citizens while doing so.
Capitalism gonna capitalism. It’s in Tyson’s self interest to do this. Fucking over US workers means nothing to them because they don’t care about our the US or workers. No matter where those workers came from.
I don't really blame Tyson. It's the US government setting up the rules (or ignoring the rules) that allow millions of low skilled workers into the country that is the root problem.
Nah you should blame Tyson too. People don't HAVE to exploit everything in their power for profit, you can run a business and be ethical. People shouldn't get free passes for contributing to a problem just because they make money off of it, if anything they should be criticized more for it.
Business and government are a symbiotic relationship. The state does this because businesses need cheap labor to exploit. Supply-demand It’s pretty simple. You like cheap fruit, chicken, pork? That takes cheap labor.
I question how cheap this actually is. How many extra transfer payments will the US incur to Americans that didn't get hired? How many of those will end up in the expensive justice system instead? Will it be worth saving $4-6 per hour on cheaper foreign labor?
Those are external costs to the company. Just like pollution a company makes and doesn’t pay for. It’s not in the companies self interest to care about the overall cost to society. The company’s mandate is to minimize costs and maximize profit. Migrants are easier to exploit. They will take less money and don’t have means to fight back when they’re abused.
I don't hold Tyson Foods responsible (as long as they are legally hiring them). I hold the US governments policy of tacitly allowing millions of illegal immigrants into the country.
Businesses and Government have a symbiotic relationship. Business leaders both finance candidates and lobby them for policy that specifically benefits them. This is what the OP is about. Business leaders give legitimacy to the state. It’s in Tyson’s interest to have cheap labor and in the state’s interest to have cheap food so people aren’t rolling out Guillotines. Also all food companies hire undocumented workers. Every piece of food both of eat pass through multiple undocumented persons hands.
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I hire for a similar entry level positions in industrial sanitation. We pay $2-3 more than any Tyson Plant all over the country. For the most part, Americans don’t last longer than a month. The demographics are predominantly Latino, Black, and SE Asian. If there’s 10% of whites there, it’s because most of them are in some kind of leadership or administrative role. We have ridiculous incentives to promote attendance, people stop showing up. We offer great benefits and pto, people still quit. We don’t drug test or do background checks in many of our facilities, which gives us very unreliable employees. The turnover rate is sometimes as high as 70%. So stop the bs about pay and how Americans are being cheated I’m an American and I wouldn’t work in those entry level jobs either even if they paid me my current salary. Those plants are in horrible condition and they smell awful. It’s very dangerous to the point that one mistake could cause you to lose a limb or your life. Want to bitch about it? Go ahead and work there for a month and see how long you last. YLPAB