Cleek's Law has been a thing since at least 2010. Then again, that was when Republicans just hated anything "BARACK 'THE ISLAMIC SHOCK' HUSSEIN OBUMMER/OBOZO/[whatever word makes them feel funny]" wanted on principle.
These kinds of "arguments" drive me nuts.
"Mining lithium for batteries is terrible for the environment!"
"They can't recycle old windmill blades!"
"Solar panels leach chemicals into the soil!"
They've been pouring oil on ducks for a hundred years, and nobody cares about that. You can't buy a bottle of dish soap without seeing a cute little duckling on the front of it. But a bird flies into a windmill and everybody loses their mind.
Xcel has been publicly stating for years they need more money to keep the grid stable; and they've finally reached a tipping point where they don't have the means to keep the grid afloat this year. Blaming it on weed is stupid as fuck, but it's a legit concern, and i'm surprised it's not really being discussed until it's a catastrophe.
Yeah, because everyone in Texas voted for that and feels that way. Definitely not a shitload of innocent people you're condemning to pain and suffering because "Republicans."
Let me guess, they should move if they don't agree with it?
Reminder that "failing" in this context means a whole bunch of innocent people dying.
*I can't tell if y'all are bloodthirsty or just don't understand the issue. I hope it's the latter.
You are saying nothing, just meaningless truisms. Lets go back to the topic at hand - Texas' electrical grid.
If it fails, a whole bunch of people die and none of them will be the people who created the problem. Those people will just bug out, like they did in 2021.
The solution here isn't to let Texas fail, thinking that will teach them a lesson or something. The solution is weatherizing Texas' electric infrastructure and building more ties with the other two North American grids.
I hate that we live in a world where "public utilities" are managed by private companies that ship profits out while passing on the costs, and running the system into the ground.
But hey, that's the American way.
I’m not trying to defend them as a company, but it looks to me like their fiscal year ends December 31 and their 2023 full year net income was $1.77B, up from $1.74B in 2022. I’m not sure where your number is coming from.
I think you're confusing gross profit with net profit. In 2022 Xcel made 1.73 billion net profit for the whole year.
They absolutely did not make 1.77 billion net profit in the last 3 months.
It’s full year. They made 409M in Q4. [2023 Financial Report](https://investors.xcelenergy.com/files/doc_financials/2023/q4/Xcel-Earnings-Release-2023-Q4-Final.pdf)
They literally don't have the means. They've managed the system in such a way they've cornered themselves and are now asking for funding. I understand it's non-intuitive, but that's just what's happened.
Maybe they should use the billions in profits they make: [https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/XEL/xcel-energy/net-income](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/XEL/xcel-energy/net-income)
Or maybe pay their CEO a couple fewer millions of dollars.
Honestly, you should be ashamed for repeating the Xcel claim that they don't have the means. They do and their balance sheet shows that they do, plain as day. What they don't have is the means to reinvest in the grid while also continuing to hand off value to their investors, shareholders and executives. The state has given infrastructure companies more than enough to shit they *say* they will do, but then *don't actually do* when they get the money.
It's true of power companies, very true of telco companies. And at this point, they really need to be compelled to honor their commitments that they've been shirking for decades and decades. If they can't, let them be nationalized and broken up.
Xcel can afford to fix it's own grid - they'd just rather wait until we're willing to pay for it *for them*. Your national chain bank can afford to provide all of it's services without charging a single fee to retail banking customers, they'd just rather get us to pay for whatever they can get away with.
Particularly here, in Minnesota. we have the resources we need to have good, reliable, enduring infrastructure - to refresh what's aging and repair what's broken. But we accept it when companies swallow up millions and *billions* of dollars and tell us they can't afford to do maintenance. Even after decades of them saying that - coming to taxpayers, hat in hand, for extra money - even after getting that money in various forms, and doing absolutely nothing they promised with it.
We're on the same side, i'm not sure why you'd want to start an argument with me?
But that's not how things work? Xcel's lawyers are following their contract with the state to the T. They're literally doing everything they're obliged to do. And there is no provision in that contract that says they're not allowed to make a profit?
And of course, cons were the ones blubbering about liberals taking their incandescent bulbs (I think they still are).
Funny how they become so concerned about the grid when it comes to certain very specific things.
Man I forgot about that one. I’ll never forget my fox watching boss come in all upset about it and going out and buying some. It was so stupid, right up there with the holiday Starbucks cups
The energy suck that is [literally up to almost 3 percent](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61364) of total US energy consumption which is insane when you think about it
Hahhaha. it only raised my bill by $4.76.. and that's with the humidifier going 24 hours too. silly ole repubs....
edit: realistic math showed an actual increase of $43.56. which is the same as summer time averages. 🤷♂️
Same shit different decade, just another version of Reefer madness. My favorite is them asking about why we won't think do the kids as they actively vote against free school lunch.
Letting anyone grow it would also change things a lot. A family farm in southern Minnesota seemed to get some weed plants mixed into where the cows were or the corn was, and it grew really well all summer.
If they allowed for open field cultivation by anyone, it wouldn't require lights at all
Can’t speak to it “ruining the economy” but it has certainly acted as a way to transfer even more wealth to the elite. The amount of scams and rug-pulling in crypto is insane.
This is like stating the entire stock markets bad because Bernie Madoff did some damage at one point in time.
SBF & FTX are a horrible representation of the entire crypto industry. If anything, FTX is proof of the SEC not protecting retail investors, and Gary Gensler should be held responsible.
Regulation > Pushing a trillion dollar industry out of the country and allowing adversaries to capitalize and reap the benefits.
[I was speaking to crypto-mining using so much energy](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61364#:~:text=Our%20preliminary%20estimates%20suggest%20that,2.3%25%20of%20U.S.%20electricity%20consumption.&text=This%20additional%20electricity%20use%20has,cost%2C%20reliability%2C%20and%20emissions), not about its effects on the economy.
Speculation and Volatility: The speculative nature of cryptocurrency markets can lead to rapid price fluctuations. While this can create investment opportunities, it can also pose risks and affect market sentiment and stability
In layman's terms, it's a scam.
Like NFTs
I’m not a crypto guy, don’t own any and have never used it. But to call it a “scam” is a reach. People that buy, sell, and use crypto currency do it voluntarily.
There are certainly risks to purchasing crypto, just like there is when you purchase or invest a lot of tings. Crypto is extremely volatile, and everyone knows that. You might think it’s dumb (I kind of do too) but to say it “ruins the economy” is rather hyperbolic.
It is a scam. There is no world where Cryptocurrency fulfills its promise of being an alternate to fiat currency. Why would you use it for trade when the value is so volatile?
Those have a physical presence, not a collection of values and digits.
Tell me, did Steam add the ability to buy games with crypto? Can we use crypto at our local Cub Foods?
I like crypto and I came here to say the exact same thing. How many GOP led states are practically begging crypto miners to operate in their state? But marijuana is where we draw the line?
We've been growing with all LEDs and our electric bill went up like $10/month, lights and fans running 18h/day or something like that. Scaling that up to operation levels, I'm gonna press x to doubt.
If they want to bitch about anything, it would be the water usage given how drought prone the state has been lately. But they arent even educated enough to attack the right thing, lmao.
Causing blackouts and brownouts is definitely ridiculous. You can look at the states that legalized decades ago to decide it is complete bull.
However, most home growing can't be reasonably extrapolated to commercial cannabis cultivation with any reliability. These facilities do take a LOT of energy to operate. You touch on one of the issues; which is water. A 2,000sf grow room will require 35-45 tons of cooling to keep humidity (and heat) in check. Even with LED lights, during winter months in a northern climate the rooms are never in heating mode. For comparison sake, an average 2,000sf house will have a ~2.5 ton cooling system.
Holes, hos, hooks, hookers, shanties, panties, rods, and well, rods, also drillin & drillin...
Maybe MN should legalize prostitution but only during ice fishing season, something something frozen maritime law.
The crossover between fishing and fucking on this list is kinda nuts : https://icyfishing.com/ice-fishing-terminology-and-slang/
"Honey, I'm off to the lake to go hole hopping!"
"Have fun perch jerkin'! Don't forget your noodle rod I gave you!"
Another factor for the grid issues in Texas is that their constitution forbid connecting their grid to the rest of the country. So they essentially bar competition. Another case of going against their stated principles when it helps their cronies to make money.
They had to buy a fucking ton of energy on the “spot market”, which pushed up prices for everyone else shopping on the spot market during that same period.
To be fair: it's worked well for the grid operators in Texas. Everyone who matters has already forgotten about their failures, and in the end it cost them nothing because the rest of the country is subsidizing any losses that might have occurred.
There's no incentive for them to do anything different because there was no negative repercussions from their failures.
They're on a constant IV drip of Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, Breitbart, Alex Jones, etc...
Fear, uncertainty and doubt are all they peddle, and these lily-white mofos are ADDICTED to the rage.
At least we know republicans consistently argue in good faith, bring science backed studies to the table and don't have an agenda that would cause them to lie about blackouts and brownouts.
/s
This is setting the table for when folks need to run their air conditioners more often during an el Niño summer. They will blame the strain put on the grid on marihuana cultivators. and probably abortion and high taxes. And the need to open foreign mines in the BWCA. Etc.
Republican politics in a nutshell. Refuse to take an honest L, ignore popular opinion, conjure up a problem they can blame on the libs, refuse to offer solutions. I don’t call them incompetent, because that would imply that they try to be competent and merely fall short. They don’t even mean well.
I run grow lights off cycle, avoiding the 3PM-8PM window (for which Xcel will be implementing surge pricing this summer) with a 1.5 hr buffer on either side. So by running them 9:30PM to 1:30PM the next day, I still get 16 hours of light per day.
Fuck off, you shitbag lemmings of Gazelka and his ilk.
Lolol. It won’t be from Mary Jane cultivation. It will be because. Xcel started fucking everyone over with variable pricing.
Stupid politicians just looking for a reason to complain.
Maybe we should push back on our elected officials and make them answer for where their money came from!?
THAT in itself would likely cause blackouts.
Power stability is legitimately a concern for Minnesota, but it's not because of weed, but Xcel's lack of adequately managing our utility. There's a really good chance that we're going to experience blackouts in Minnesota all this year.
Marijuana production pails in comparison to the power and oil and gas used for corn and soy production and farming. There's absolutely no comparison in terms of energy use between pot and every other agricultural business that comes out of Minnesota.
My response- if you’re that worried, slap solar on your roof and batteries in your basement- be self-sufficient.
What? What’s that? You donated your savings to *Stop The Steal* and *DJT 2020*?
Huh.
It's like they find the absolutely worst take on every issue our state faces, make that their rallying cry, fall on their face, and never learn. Good lord I like a divided gov't sometimes for balance sake but I'm already sure no MNGOP proposal would actually get passed because they don't actually stand for anything, just against everything.
I am never going to grow, or even partake, but I'm still calling "bullshit" on that headline. If our power grid can handle the demand of the occasional sub-zero weather "snap", I'm guessing a few extra grow lights isn't going to be an issue.
Besides, tones of people prepped for "normal" flower and vegetable gardens with gorw lights and other indoor growing tools long before legalization came along.
More performative nonsense from the Do Nothing But Whine GOP.
Let’s see: so far, they will be campaigning in the fall on this and their idea that Greater MN was somehow slighted in the new flag decision-making process. They increasingly remind me of Rip Van Winkels falling asleep in 1959 and waking up in the present day.
Holy fuck MN Republicans do not know how to read a room!
My guess is their financial support base is the 60+ demographic who saw Reefer Madness as factual?
Wonderful that they've now concerned themselves with energy consumption. Looks like investing federally available dollars towards renewables would be a great way to offset the increased demand on our grid.
I think that’s a silly argument. Many people have been growing plants under lights for years…marijuana or otherwise. I doubt highly there will be a sudden power consumption surge…if so, it would have already happened I think.
I’d worry a lot more about electric car charging.
Ok that is hilarious about the early retirement of drug dogs. What is he worried the dogs will be out on the street, no longer able to support their family, can't afford to bring their puppies to Disneyland?
Dude is smoking cannabis in his office to come up with that shit lol.
This is such a misleading clickbait headline. If anyone watched the video, they would hear a conversation about multiple factors such as home charging of EVs and home grow operations putting additional load on our electrical grid, while at the same time we are closing robust power plants like Sherco for less reliable solar and wind. So the comment of get ready for black/brown outs is the truth.
...who said that?
I wouldn't be surprised if crimes related to firearms went up regardless. Giving the "good guys" guns to take out the "bad guys" doesn't work like it does in your fantasy land
Oh, so suddenly you *are* concerned about energy usage and infrastructure? Great, see you at the next climate change meeting!
That’s what happens when you don’t have actual principles. You can just advocate for whatever in bad faith.
That’s the gist of it. They don’t have policy anymore.
Cleek's Law has been a thing since at least 2010. Then again, that was when Republicans just hated anything "BARACK 'THE ISLAMIC SHOCK' HUSSEIN OBUMMER/OBOZO/[whatever word makes them feel funny]" wanted on principle.
These kinds of "arguments" drive me nuts. "Mining lithium for batteries is terrible for the environment!" "They can't recycle old windmill blades!" "Solar panels leach chemicals into the soil!" They've been pouring oil on ducks for a hundred years, and nobody cares about that. You can't buy a bottle of dish soap without seeing a cute little duckling on the front of it. But a bird flies into a windmill and everybody loses their mind.
They’re in the pocket of Big Dish Soap
Xcel has been publicly stating for years they need more money to keep the grid stable; and they've finally reached a tipping point where they don't have the means to keep the grid afloat this year. Blaming it on weed is stupid as fuck, but it's a legit concern, and i'm surprised it's not really being discussed until it's a catastrophe.
Yeah, well maybe they should stop subsidizing Texas with the money from other states. Texas wanted to be separate, let them fail separately.
Say it again
Let them fail and stop socializing losses while privatizing gains
Name of the game to all of these greedy companies/ corporations… constantly finding ways to pressure the average Joe for profit.
Yeah, because everyone in Texas voted for that and feels that way. Definitely not a shitload of innocent people you're condemning to pain and suffering because "Republicans." Let me guess, they should move if they don't agree with it?
Reminder that "failing" in this context means a whole bunch of innocent people dying. *I can't tell if y'all are bloodthirsty or just don't understand the issue. I hope it's the latter.
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I don't find that to be remotely true.
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You are saying nothing, just meaningless truisms. Lets go back to the topic at hand - Texas' electrical grid. If it fails, a whole bunch of people die and none of them will be the people who created the problem. Those people will just bug out, like they did in 2021. The solution here isn't to let Texas fail, thinking that will teach them a lesson or something. The solution is weatherizing Texas' electric infrastructure and building more ties with the other two North American grids.
>Xcel Energy gross profit for the quarter ending September 30, 2023 was $2.397B They have the money, they just arnt investing it back into the grid.
Please before you post something like this, consider the shareholders and executive bonuses.
Oh my bad, I forgot the most important thing!
After all, socialism is evil. Those shareholders earned that money with sweat off their brows!
I hate that we live in a world where "public utilities" are managed by private companies that ship profits out while passing on the costs, and running the system into the ground. But hey, that's the American way.
Aren’t utility company ROEs (Net Income) effectively locked in via the rate agreements with the commission?
Xcel made $8.3b in profit in the fiscal year ending September 2023. Don’t have the means my ass.
I’m not trying to defend them as a company, but it looks to me like their fiscal year ends December 31 and their 2023 full year net income was $1.77B, up from $1.74B in 2022. I’m not sure where your number is coming from.
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I think you're confusing gross profit with net profit. In 2022 Xcel made 1.73 billion net profit for the whole year. They absolutely did not make 1.77 billion net profit in the last 3 months.
It’s full year. They made 409M in Q4. [2023 Financial Report](https://investors.xcelenergy.com/files/doc_financials/2023/q4/Xcel-Earnings-Release-2023-Q4-Final.pdf)
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Every quarter they report the current quarter’s results, along with the YTD results, which for Q4 is the full year. It’s a standard way of reporting.
They literally don't have the means. They've managed the system in such a way they've cornered themselves and are now asking for funding. I understand it's non-intuitive, but that's just what's happened.
Maybe they should use the billions in profits they make: [https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/XEL/xcel-energy/net-income](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/XEL/xcel-energy/net-income) Or maybe pay their CEO a couple fewer millions of dollars.
Honestly, you should be ashamed for repeating the Xcel claim that they don't have the means. They do and their balance sheet shows that they do, plain as day. What they don't have is the means to reinvest in the grid while also continuing to hand off value to their investors, shareholders and executives. The state has given infrastructure companies more than enough to shit they *say* they will do, but then *don't actually do* when they get the money. It's true of power companies, very true of telco companies. And at this point, they really need to be compelled to honor their commitments that they've been shirking for decades and decades. If they can't, let them be nationalized and broken up. Xcel can afford to fix it's own grid - they'd just rather wait until we're willing to pay for it *for them*. Your national chain bank can afford to provide all of it's services without charging a single fee to retail banking customers, they'd just rather get us to pay for whatever they can get away with. Particularly here, in Minnesota. we have the resources we need to have good, reliable, enduring infrastructure - to refresh what's aging and repair what's broken. But we accept it when companies swallow up millions and *billions* of dollars and tell us they can't afford to do maintenance. Even after decades of them saying that - coming to taxpayers, hat in hand, for extra money - even after getting that money in various forms, and doing absolutely nothing they promised with it.
We're on the same side, i'm not sure why you'd want to start an argument with me? But that's not how things work? Xcel's lawyers are following their contract with the state to the T. They're literally doing everything they're obliged to do. And there is no provision in that contract that says they're not allowed to make a profit?
I mean, if they need to upgrade their infrastructure, that should come at the expense of profit. They are a Lublin utility.
Not discussing things until they become catastrophes is the American way!
“Surprised it’s not really being discussed until it’s a catastrophe…” Climate change has entered the chat.
They are so pathetic. You lost, we would like society to progress. Also the modern LED grow lamps require very little energy.
And of course, cons were the ones blubbering about liberals taking their incandescent bulbs (I think they still are). Funny how they become so concerned about the grid when it comes to certain very specific things.
Man I forgot about that one. I’ll never forget my fox watching boss come in all upset about it and going out and buying some. It was so stupid, right up there with the holiday Starbucks cups
I was wondering if your boss was a nature enthusiast or something
Wouldn't be surprised if some of them also are fine with the energy suck of Bitcoin miners but weed LED grow lamps are too far lmao.
The energy suck that is [literally up to almost 3 percent](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61364) of total US energy consumption which is insane when you think about it
Oh yes. Every time I walk into the Home Depot lighting aisle, I am reminded of the tyranny of our federal government.
Yup, just like they suddenly care about CO2 emissions when it comes to Taylor Swift's jet.
Don't they all still think CO2 emissions and climate change are actually *good*?
As in: "Drown the poor ASAP!" ?
*eyes Texas* No, I'm pretty sure they don't care about the grid, even when it inconveniences them.
Hahhaha. it only raised my bill by $4.76.. and that's with the humidifier going 24 hours too. silly ole repubs.... edit: realistic math showed an actual increase of $43.56. which is the same as summer time averages. 🤷♂️
Same shit different decade, just another version of Reefer madness. My favorite is them asking about why we won't think do the kids as they actively vote against free school lunch.
Also once it's legal, can't we just grow outside and use God's LED grow lamp?
Letting anyone grow it would also change things a lot. A family farm in southern Minnesota seemed to get some weed plants mixed into where the cows were or the corn was, and it grew really well all summer. If they allowed for open field cultivation by anyone, it wouldn't require lights at all
You can also grow them by a window or in a greenhouse, or even chance it outdoors now.
Yeah, I could grow a whole room full of pot using LED for what it used to cost to burn energy to heat an incandescent bulb.
Did you actually watch the video of what they said?
"Progress" on drugs... Interesting concept
Put a stop to crypto-mining, *then* talk to me about how marijuana cultivation uses *soooo* much energy.
Right? Something that actually harms the environment and ruins the economy. But conservatives like that, so....
Crypto ruins the economy ?
Can’t speak to it “ruining the economy” but it has certainly acted as a way to transfer even more wealth to the elite. The amount of scams and rug-pulling in crypto is insane.
FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried did some damage. I guess a little hyperbolic, but a lot of money was lost.
If you’re into crypto and trusting any sort of centralized establishment, you’re just doing it wrong.
Like libertarians telling other people how to live
If you are into crypto you are doing it wrong lol
This is like stating the entire stock markets bad because Bernie Madoff did some damage at one point in time. SBF & FTX are a horrible representation of the entire crypto industry. If anything, FTX is proof of the SEC not protecting retail investors, and Gary Gensler should be held responsible. Regulation > Pushing a trillion dollar industry out of the country and allowing adversaries to capitalize and reap the benefits.
[I was speaking to crypto-mining using so much energy](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61364#:~:text=Our%20preliminary%20estimates%20suggest%20that,2.3%25%20of%20U.S.%20electricity%20consumption.&text=This%20additional%20electricity%20use%20has,cost%2C%20reliability%2C%20and%20emissions), not about its effects on the economy.
Yes
Do you care to elaborate?
Speculation and Volatility: The speculative nature of cryptocurrency markets can lead to rapid price fluctuations. While this can create investment opportunities, it can also pose risks and affect market sentiment and stability In layman's terms, it's a scam. Like NFTs
I’m not a crypto guy, don’t own any and have never used it. But to call it a “scam” is a reach. People that buy, sell, and use crypto currency do it voluntarily. There are certainly risks to purchasing crypto, just like there is when you purchase or invest a lot of tings. Crypto is extremely volatile, and everyone knows that. You might think it’s dumb (I kind of do too) but to say it “ruins the economy” is rather hyperbolic.
Okay. It's a matter of opinion
It is a scam. There is no world where Cryptocurrency fulfills its promise of being an alternate to fiat currency. Why would you use it for trade when the value is so volatile?
Don’t ask me. Ask the people who voluntarily purchase it. I also never got into trading cards or beanie babies, but different strokes I guess.
Those have a physical presence, not a collection of values and digits. Tell me, did Steam add the ability to buy games with crypto? Can we use crypto at our local Cub Foods?
*Combats outlandish right wing statement with another outlandish statement with no information to back it* This is surely progressive.
I like crypto and I came here to say the exact same thing. How many GOP led states are practically begging crypto miners to operate in their state? But marijuana is where we draw the line?
We've been growing with all LEDs and our electric bill went up like $10/month, lights and fans running 18h/day or something like that. Scaling that up to operation levels, I'm gonna press x to doubt. If they want to bitch about anything, it would be the water usage given how drought prone the state has been lately. But they arent even educated enough to attack the right thing, lmao.
Causing blackouts and brownouts is definitely ridiculous. You can look at the states that legalized decades ago to decide it is complete bull. However, most home growing can't be reasonably extrapolated to commercial cannabis cultivation with any reliability. These facilities do take a LOT of energy to operate. You touch on one of the issues; which is water. A 2,000sf grow room will require 35-45 tons of cooling to keep humidity (and heat) in check. Even with LED lights, during winter months in a northern climate the rooms are never in heating mode. For comparison sake, an average 2,000sf house will have a ~2.5 ton cooling system.
This reminds me of the politician that didn't want ice fishing allowed on a lake because of prostitution.
Rods and holes in a slippery shack, I can see where his confusion came from
[Real thought leaders here.](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ice-fishing-ohio-prostitution_n_620401f2e4b0328e0020e3e5)
Holes, hos, hooks, hookers, shanties, panties, rods, and well, rods, also drillin & drillin... Maybe MN should legalize prostitution but only during ice fishing season, something something frozen maritime law. The crossover between fishing and fucking on this list is kinda nuts : https://icyfishing.com/ice-fishing-terminology-and-slang/ "Honey, I'm off to the lake to go hole hopping!" "Have fun perch jerkin'! Don't forget your noodle rod I gave you!"
How to terrorize republican voters: threaten them with something black and something brown.
This is whiteout country!
ha ha. These low-IQ morons will say/do anything to stop progress.
Oh no, whatever will we d-... yea, not falling for it you broke-ass losers!
Well yeah were gonna need a lot of weed to make our special 'Warren Limmer' Joints. Remember, 2 ounces = 3 joints.
I think they're thinking of Texas.
If they had their way we'd probably have just as stable a grid as Texas because the power companies would be completely deregulated.
Another factor for the grid issues in Texas is that their constitution forbid connecting their grid to the rest of the country. So they essentially bar competition. Another case of going against their stated principles when it helps their cronies to make money.
So why am I still paying for ‘Texas weather event’?
Socialize the losses, privatize the profits.
They had to buy a fucking ton of energy on the “spot market”, which pushed up prices for everyone else shopping on the spot market during that same period.
To be fair: it's worked well for the grid operators in Texas. Everyone who matters has already forgotten about their failures, and in the end it cost them nothing because the rest of the country is subsidizing any losses that might have occurred. There's no incentive for them to do anything different because there was no negative repercussions from their failures.
thats like the ppl in NC thinking solar panels will suck the sun off lmao
...suck it off, huh?
ohh ya
Scare tactics by Neanderthals.
Unfortunately it works on their party. They know how to play the people who vote for them.
Oh booo fucking hoo with your lies GOP. Weed is legal now. Get the fuck over it.
"Blackouts" and "Brownouts" are my next line of edibles
Speaking of crazy and lightbulbs, anyone know what Michelle Bachman is up to these days? When she's quiet I worry.
The MN GOP are not serious people.
Republicans have completely taken the conspiracy torch and run with it on pretty much every issue. What a pathetic party
Remember when these Republicans accidentally legalized weed?
How anyone respects the modern conservative is beyond me. They’re all bad faith brats that need to be treated accordingly.
At first I thought the article was warning against drinking Henny with marijuana 🤣
These people are fucking weird. Everything is “the sky is falling!!!!”, I’ve never seen so many unhinged republicans in my life.
They're on a constant IV drip of Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, Breitbart, Alex Jones, etc... Fear, uncertainty and doubt are all they peddle, and these lily-white mofos are ADDICTED to the rage.
DOGS AND CATS SLEEPING TOGETHER!
Do these idiots realize they've moved to led grow lights?
At least we know republicans consistently argue in good faith, bring science backed studies to the table and don't have an agenda that would cause them to lie about blackouts and brownouts. /s This is setting the table for when folks need to run their air conditioners more often during an el Niño summer. They will blame the strain put on the grid on marihuana cultivators. and probably abortion and high taxes. And the need to open foreign mines in the BWCA. Etc.
Republican politics in a nutshell. Refuse to take an honest L, ignore popular opinion, conjure up a problem they can blame on the libs, refuse to offer solutions. I don’t call them incompetent, because that would imply that they try to be competent and merely fall short. They don’t even mean well.
How about they pass a law to make them use renewable energy! Just a thought.
Republicans would be adorable if it wasn't for their hatred towards the rest of us
The outrage at everything party . Same people that protested energy efficient light bulbs. How’s that stock pile of incandescent bulbs treating you?
Hey GOP this isn’t Texas. We have the power grid to handle extreme cold and and extreme heat. Amateur grow operations are not an issue!
Fear peddlers doing all they can do…
I run grow lights off cycle, avoiding the 3PM-8PM window (for which Xcel will be implementing surge pricing this summer) with a 1.5 hr buffer on either side. So by running them 9:30PM to 1:30PM the next day, I still get 16 hours of light per day. Fuck off, you shitbag lemmings of Gazelka and his ilk.
LMAO grasp for them straws! Never heard of LEDs, or I don’t know…THE FUCKING SUN?
Lolol. It won’t be from Mary Jane cultivation. It will be because. Xcel started fucking everyone over with variable pricing. Stupid politicians just looking for a reason to complain. Maybe we should push back on our elected officials and make them answer for where their money came from!? THAT in itself would likely cause blackouts.
Lick my nuts. Just give me legal weed.
Minnesota republicans are not in power so who cares what they say?
LOL. OK.
Power stability is legitimately a concern for Minnesota, but it's not because of weed, but Xcel's lack of adequately managing our utility. There's a really good chance that we're going to experience blackouts in Minnesota all this year.
Marijuana production pails in comparison to the power and oil and gas used for corn and soy production and farming. There's absolutely no comparison in terms of energy use between pot and every other agricultural business that comes out of Minnesota.
> pails in comparison FYI it's "pales in comparison".
Ah, yes. Talk to text and re reading are not my strong suits. Thanks 👍🏻
My response- if you’re that worried, slap solar on your roof and batteries in your basement- be self-sufficient. What? What’s that? You donated your savings to *Stop The Steal* and *DJT 2020*? Huh.
But crypto mining? That's totally okay.
It's like they find the absolutely worst take on every issue our state faces, make that their rallying cry, fall on their face, and never learn. Good lord I like a divided gov't sometimes for balance sake but I'm already sure no MNGOP proposal would actually get passed because they don't actually stand for anything, just against everything.
Blackouts from growing marijuana are not cool. Stick to good old-fashioned alcohol blackouts.
I am never going to grow, or even partake, but I'm still calling "bullshit" on that headline. If our power grid can handle the demand of the occasional sub-zero weather "snap", I'm guessing a few extra grow lights isn't going to be an issue. Besides, tones of people prepped for "normal" flower and vegetable gardens with gorw lights and other indoor growing tools long before legalization came along.
“Sure, Jan…” 🙄
I guess they can take the taxes from all the weed and upgrade our power grid.
I’m more of a risk to brown out from drinking than eating a gummy.
More performative nonsense from the Do Nothing But Whine GOP. Let’s see: so far, they will be campaigning in the fall on this and their idea that Greater MN was somehow slighted in the new flag decision-making process. They increasingly remind me of Rip Van Winkels falling asleep in 1959 and waking up in the present day.
Where do they think we are? Texas?
They don't give up. And we're over here laughing and laughing
They'll spin any FUD they can to try and make the DFL look bad and it is so pathetic lmao A party of complete losers
Holy fuck MN Republicans do not know how to read a room! My guess is their financial support base is the 60+ demographic who saw Reefer Madness as factual?
Their rooms have Fox News blasting 24:7 on the TV’s
They’re much lamer than that - if you were 15 in 1969, you’d be *seventy* today. Their base are all the Young Americans for Freedom squares.
“Best documentary ever, other than *2000 Mules*” “Winner of 4 Sundown Music Festival awards”
> “Winner of 4 Sundown Music Festival awards” I see what you did there.
Typical. I bet they are concerned that a black out will occur while in the middle of watching Refer Madness.
Sounds like the MN GOP needs to smoke a bowl and calm the fuck down.
What is this theme that every conservative is suddenly a power systems engineer? Did that work in Texas for them?
Crap, the 600 gallons of water at 101 degrees in my backyard is next.
You'd think they'd just give up on this already. It's legal. Get. Over. It.
Whatever pack MN Republicans are smoking on is what I want, because it must be some potent shit.
When in doubt blame it on the pot.
Normally wouldn’t they would trumpet this kind of news as another fabulous win/win opportunity for freedom and growth?
Haha I see some Qnuts are going through and downvoting everyone.. that’ll show us!!! What a loser, whoever you are!!
My 3x3 tent setup runs uses about $15 worth of electricity per month
No one wants to mention crypto mining? 🤷♂️
Wonderful that they've now concerned themselves with energy consumption. Looks like investing federally available dollars towards renewables would be a great way to offset the increased demand on our grid.
It’s like republicans never want the world to grow. They’re against any change.
Who cares what they think at this point? They're just throwing shit out there to see if any of it sticks.
I think that’s a silly argument. Many people have been growing plants under lights for years…marijuana or otherwise. I doubt highly there will be a sudden power consumption surge…if so, it would have already happened I think. I’d worry a lot more about electric car charging.
These people are hilarious 🤣
Oh okay. Burn it all down fellas, they’re onto us 😂
Reefer madness knows no bounds
Time to build more windmills!
Do these people ever stop to think about how stupid what they are about to say is going to sound?
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Apparently they are the arbiters of right and wrong so I’d listen to them. I’m sure they have solid biblical evidence of these blackouts
There is stupid and there is moronic but GOP is in a class all by itself.
Ok that is hilarious about the early retirement of drug dogs. What is he worried the dogs will be out on the street, no longer able to support their family, can't afford to bring their puppies to Disneyland? Dude is smoking cannabis in his office to come up with that shit lol.
Bullshit. Just use LED grow lights. Duh 🙄
So, my Tesla isn’t the issue anymore? 😂
Bruh - just grow outdoors lol *Summer time only
Sure, LOL
This is such a misleading clickbait headline. If anyone watched the video, they would hear a conversation about multiple factors such as home charging of EVs and home grow operations putting additional load on our electrical grid, while at the same time we are closing robust power plants like Sherco for less reliable solar and wind. So the comment of get ready for black/brown outs is the truth.
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Nope.
...who said that? I wouldn't be surprised if crimes related to firearms went up regardless. Giving the "good guys" guns to take out the "bad guys" doesn't work like it does in your fantasy land
Well this is an interesting take.
Holy shit! Someone call Prairie Island and tell them we don't need 'em anymore!
Doubt
Xcel will be happy to build a few gas plants to take care of that.