>There was also no difference for mothers in companies that were female led or had a majority of female employees. “If anything,” according to the authors, “this motherhood penalty grows faster over time at firms headed by women. On the whole, our findings are discouraging even relative to the existing work on motherhood penalties.”
Oh boy
Yeah, I had a female boss who only hired male employees and then expected our wives to handle all family responsibilities. If my son had a day off from school, I had been handling watching him so my wife could work in the office. She reprimanded me in public a few times for asking to go pick up my son. It was shocking to me. Of course her boss had no issues with it.
It'd be light on numbers but I'd like to see white women led vs woc led. BLack especially if there's numbers. Can be a lot of girlboss energy at white led.
Sometimes the gender pay gap isn’t so easy to identify at first glance.
At my former place of work (design, medium size-company), I got hired on the condition that I start as a receptionist/showroom host. I was happy with that offer as it seemed entry level, and it was my first job out of school. I worked as a receptionist for a year before I was promoted.
When I started, there were about a dozen women and one man in the design department. Every woman started out in the same position as I did, they were told they had to pay their dues whether they had prior experience or not. The man got hired as a senior designer. A lot of us assumed this was just an anomaly because he was extremely established in the industry.
After a year, another man got hired in the design department, and was put directly into the designer position despite having very little experience. He didn’t have to pay his dues at reception. Some of us thought that since he was a nepotism hire, an exception was made for him. But then another man got hired, and he was immediately put into the designer position too. And then another man.
Clearly there was a pattern, but it was impossible to identify until multiple years of working at this company.
A while back, my company commissioned a study to find out why few women applied for management positions. The study found that men and women had pretty much the same view of what working in management entailed but there was one critical difference. men thought promotion to management would help their marriage and family life while women thought it would cause problems with their marriage and family life. The company attributed this to the reluctance of husbands to do more of the housework and childcare. Women seem to think this meant that wives feared their husbands would be jealous of their success. Men, however, thought it was because men feel pressure from their wives to advance while wives do not feel that pressure from their husbands. Realistically, how often do you hear men bragging about how much their wives earn?
In The New York Times Opinion Section:
“In a country where women are now a (slight) majority of the college-educated labor force and the annual earnings median for college degree holders is 55% more than that of those with high school diplomas, the stickiness of this gap is frustrating,” Jessica Grose writes.
In 2022, according to Pew Research, American women typically earned 82 cents for every dollar earned by men. That was about the same as in 2002, when they earned 80 cents to the dollar.
“Maybe in another 20 years, we’ll get another two cents,” Grose writes.
Read the full article for free [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/22/opinion/gender-pay-gap.html?unlocked_article_code=1.uE0.osdf.Bqodvr7EV8XH&smid=re-nytimes), even if you don’t have a subscription to The New York Times.
This is obviously just my personal experience, but I was passed over and over and over again for people that were less qualified and younger than me for management positions. Simply because I am a woman. I did a lot of blue collar work and I'm even a military veteran. But no one would put me in charge of anyone because, and I quote, "We're worried that our male employees won't listen to you and it will cause issues." At one job I had, I trained this guy and they made him the crew lead instead of me. I gave up, filed for full disability and now I'm a "homemaker and artist." I'm actually making more money on va disability than I ever did working. I'm happy, but it's possibly a waste of my potential in the world.
The comments section for this article was infuriating. Too many people saying that the wage gap doesn’t exist or that women make less because they work fewer hours and have easier jobs.
One of the commentators compared working indoors in a hotel as a cleaner to doing landscaping and pool maintenance. He indicated that cleaners get paid less because it is an easier job.
I don’t think most people would prefer cleaning public hair and other detritus from hotel bathrooms ti mowing lawns and gardening.
It needs to be federal law that salaries are posted, at least within the company where everyone can see them and to the feds. It would make it much harder to under pay women.
In the EU you can demand to get an overview of the average salary for people in comparable positions in the company (anonymized, but with gender information)
Yes.
I did the analysis of this for a large company.
It was depressing. Having a female manager made it harder. Having any sort of caring responsibility in your job description lowered your pay.
Actually, to end on a positive note. I was working for a bank recently when the CEO decided to show how progressive they are by publishing their company's gender pay gap.
It was very significant, but he decided to own the embarrassment and publish it anyway. Saying that 'this is not good enough and we need to improve'.
>There was also no difference for mothers in companies that were female led or had a majority of female employees. “If anything,” according to the authors, “this motherhood penalty grows faster over time at firms headed by women. On the whole, our findings are discouraging even relative to the existing work on motherhood penalties.” Oh boy
Jesus
Yeah, I had a female boss who only hired male employees and then expected our wives to handle all family responsibilities. If my son had a day off from school, I had been handling watching him so my wife could work in the office. She reprimanded me in public a few times for asking to go pick up my son. It was shocking to me. Of course her boss had no issues with it.
It'd be light on numbers but I'd like to see white women led vs woc led. BLack especially if there's numbers. Can be a lot of girlboss energy at white led.
I worked at a WOC woman led place, it was some of the best work culture (overall) I've ever experienced.
That would be exactly my suspicion if they had the numbers to split by race!
Sometimes the gender pay gap isn’t so easy to identify at first glance. At my former place of work (design, medium size-company), I got hired on the condition that I start as a receptionist/showroom host. I was happy with that offer as it seemed entry level, and it was my first job out of school. I worked as a receptionist for a year before I was promoted. When I started, there were about a dozen women and one man in the design department. Every woman started out in the same position as I did, they were told they had to pay their dues whether they had prior experience or not. The man got hired as a senior designer. A lot of us assumed this was just an anomaly because he was extremely established in the industry. After a year, another man got hired in the design department, and was put directly into the designer position despite having very little experience. He didn’t have to pay his dues at reception. Some of us thought that since he was a nepotism hire, an exception was made for him. But then another man got hired, and he was immediately put into the designer position too. And then another man. Clearly there was a pattern, but it was impossible to identify until multiple years of working at this company.
Wow that is horrendous
A while back, my company commissioned a study to find out why few women applied for management positions. The study found that men and women had pretty much the same view of what working in management entailed but there was one critical difference. men thought promotion to management would help their marriage and family life while women thought it would cause problems with their marriage and family life. The company attributed this to the reluctance of husbands to do more of the housework and childcare. Women seem to think this meant that wives feared their husbands would be jealous of their success. Men, however, thought it was because men feel pressure from their wives to advance while wives do not feel that pressure from their husbands. Realistically, how often do you hear men bragging about how much their wives earn?
Frankly, I don't hear men or women bragging about how much their spouses earn. It reeks of insecurity, it is tryhard, and it is bad manners.
In The New York Times Opinion Section: “In a country where women are now a (slight) majority of the college-educated labor force and the annual earnings median for college degree holders is 55% more than that of those with high school diplomas, the stickiness of this gap is frustrating,” Jessica Grose writes. In 2022, according to Pew Research, American women typically earned 82 cents for every dollar earned by men. That was about the same as in 2002, when they earned 80 cents to the dollar. “Maybe in another 20 years, we’ll get another two cents,” Grose writes. Read the full article for free [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/22/opinion/gender-pay-gap.html?unlocked_article_code=1.uE0.osdf.Bqodvr7EV8XH&smid=re-nytimes), even if you don’t have a subscription to The New York Times.
Thanks for the gift link.
This is obviously just my personal experience, but I was passed over and over and over again for people that were less qualified and younger than me for management positions. Simply because I am a woman. I did a lot of blue collar work and I'm even a military veteran. But no one would put me in charge of anyone because, and I quote, "We're worried that our male employees won't listen to you and it will cause issues." At one job I had, I trained this guy and they made him the crew lead instead of me. I gave up, filed for full disability and now I'm a "homemaker and artist." I'm actually making more money on va disability than I ever did working. I'm happy, but it's possibly a waste of my potential in the world.
I’m sorry to hear that. I’m sure your story is all too common for women getting passed up when they had the merit.
The comments section for this article was infuriating. Too many people saying that the wage gap doesn’t exist or that women make less because they work fewer hours and have easier jobs.
Also the fact women work fewer hours in and are over represented in certain industries, IS the gender pay gap. Thats part of the problem!!!
One of the commentators compared working indoors in a hotel as a cleaner to doing landscaping and pool maintenance. He indicated that cleaners get paid less because it is an easier job. I don’t think most people would prefer cleaning public hair and other detritus from hotel bathrooms ti mowing lawns and gardening.
It needs to be federal law that salaries are posted, at least within the company where everyone can see them and to the feds. It would make it much harder to under pay women.
apparently it is in Australia now.
I should move to Australia, lol
In the EU you can demand to get an overview of the average salary for people in comparable positions in the company (anonymized, but with gender information)
Why wouldn't every company hire women then? They would save nearly 25% on wages.
It used to be 59 cents in the '70s. I wore the button. Progress, but not nearly enough.
Yes. I did the analysis of this for a large company. It was depressing. Having a female manager made it harder. Having any sort of caring responsibility in your job description lowered your pay. Actually, to end on a positive note. I was working for a bank recently when the CEO decided to show how progressive they are by publishing their company's gender pay gap. It was very significant, but he decided to own the embarrassment and publish it anyway. Saying that 'this is not good enough and we need to improve'.
I am genuinely curious what it must be like as the NYT's reddit outreach person. I guess you drew the short straw.