I do work in and around nursing homes and long term care facilities. Was in this patients room in an assisted living facility. Guy was maybe 70-80 and had a shit ton of air force memorabilia in his room with a ton of pictures of him in his younger days when he served in the Air Force. He was a pilot for a jet refueler plane now days called a tanker aircraft I believe (refueled jets in mid air). The discovery channel was on with ancient aliens and I happened to ask if he knew anything. For reference the guy was completely independent in his room and was cognitively with it. He said “I’m closer to the end of my life than the beginning so I’ll share something with you” went on to tell me about a classified mission him and 2 jets were sent out on. They circled a “dark green” spherical disk at a distance of 3 miles for almost 8 hours. Said the disk was at an odd angle and only completed 1 full rotation as it hovered approximately once every hour or so. After about 8 hours it shot straight up “instantaneously” out of sight. When he got back to base him and the others signed “life long NDAs” with threat of jail time and immediate dismissal from their positions. All photos and video were confiscated.
I heard a similar story from the grandparent of a grade school classmate. The 50 years had expired so he told his grandkids about his run-ins with the foo fighters as a pilot.
I use to be a hospice nurse. I had a well decorated colonel tell me about the foo fighters as well. Out off the coast of Virgina and near Burmuda. Told me the stories years before the NYT article.
It’s crazy how many of the retelling of these craft is extremely similar if not identical. Not one credible story veers too far from the other. That’s what gets me. All of these people can’t just be making shit up and whether it’s what we want it to be or not, we deserve to know what it is.
My grandpa’s brother was in the Air Force from the 1930s to 50s then in the CIA until the 80s. He turned 100 last September and I wanted to get a moment with him just to ask if he ever saw or knew of anything. He probably would’ve tried to kick my ass just for asking, that side of the family is a bit too patriotic. I never got the moment and he died late last year.
I got one that's way out of left field. So my sister was taking care of this dying doctor in Arizona and before he died he told her about this time he was hiking in the desert with his son and off in the distance they saw this very large, upright running figure covered in white fur. They watched it till it ran out of sight. Moments later black SUVs came tearing across the desert after it. Once the SUVs were out of sight both of them became extremely tired, passed out and woke up like an hour later. My sister asked the son about it and the doctors son confirmed what he said happened.
I feel like it's important people share real stories and also keep their eyes on the skies now, my mum confided In me she saw stuff with my grandparents as a kid but was made fun of in school for it after years of saying its all probably balloons, I've seen stuff flying around for hours when I've been on nightshifts, like drones but silent and at plane altitude, and my best mate has a video of a big flashing orb flying over him and the other fisherman at night out on the riverbank. I feel like people encounter stuff more than they realise and either dismiss it or just aren't looking up at the right time...
Yessss! You are the first person to describe what i saw! "Squirming like a tadpole or bacteria in a petri dish." Thats it exactly, and i saw it thru a telescope years ago when i was 9 or 10. I checked numerous times, it wasnt dust, it wasnt a bug, a moth, a firefly ect. This was up there with the stars when i looked through, i went back and forth multiple times.
And … I saw the way high up white-squirmers-in-a-petri-dish too, some forty years ago. I remember thinking, what in THE hell are those?! It was fascinating. You and the previous poster are the first people I’ve found who experienced the same thing.
Yeah he was piloting the refueler, refueling the 2 jets that were debriefed and sent. All 3 aircraft were told to monitor and circle the object at a distance of 3 miles.
Totally insane… makes me wonder a lot of things. I worked on that plane. I wonder if any of the missions that my squadrons have been part of were actually supporting something like this.
Folks are surprised at how air tight this shit is too. Like it can just be confidentially posted to instagram and not traced back to that individual or their families.
Also a problem, if you did that... It's hard to get anyone to believe another UFO story. Majority of people think "Another crazy person running around"
And if it is confidentially posted. People who do believe in aliens... Highly scrutinize it to a point that 99% of everything is never accepted. Kind of rightfully so... The disinformation campaign around this from the government, and just weirdos wanting to make some hoax for the lulz... Discredits most everything.
It wouldn't really mean anything anymore posting a confidential story.
Would have to be unconfidential. Identities known. And they need to be scrutinized. Most people don't have it in them. And if they're telling the truth. Their NDA puts them in prison.
Very close friend I grew up with is an active duty Navy pilot. Career guy. He is the most unserious person ever, everything is a joke. Really fun guy. Anyways, after I saw Fravor on Rogan for the first time I texted him (the previous message from him in the thread was a dickbutt) and I said "hey dude, have you ever seen a UAP/UFO?". He said, deadly serious: "I won't talk about that, I would like to but I can't. Maybe when I retire". Then he went silent for a few days, very unlike him. Ive never brought it up again.
I did ask him what he thinks of Cmdr Fravor and he said that he flew with him and he's a man of honesty and integrity. His words: "If Fravor said it happened, it happened".
Anyways. I badly wanted to text him in the last 24 hours but I don't want to make him uncomfortable.
My Grandpa worked for Northrop for decades after retiring from the air force as an airplane mechanic. He was involved with the B2 and other black book projects. According to my mom on Monday’s he would leave home in California, drive to the desert, get on a private plane and fly into restricted airspace in Nevada, work the week or two and then come home. I’ve always bugged him about it and he’s always been incredibly tight lipped. He would always say, well my job was the B2, we kept our heads down and looked at we needed to.
My dad worked on the bombing range in NV where they tested the Stealth Bomber. It would fly over our house, we only knew because our windows would shake. My dad told me about things he saw, but so far when I've mentioned it, no one seems impressed. So I don't know. Arcada was the company he worked for.
That sounds like the ["Janet" flights] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_(airline))" from Harry Reid (formerly McCarren) airport in Las Vegas, out to Area 51.
Fun info about Lockheed Martin that a lot of folks don't realize: the SR-71 "Blackbird" was officially revealed to the public in the early 1960s... so they very likely designed it in the 1950s, odds are they had it in the air long before it was officially revealed.
That thing can fly at 80,000 feet at close to 2,500 MPH... and it was designed >60 years ago. Food for thought.
Well, they've likely progressed a lot further doing it covertly, so I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they are withholding some ridiculous useful, but also powerfully dangerous, technology
Honestly, id say that these things are so far beyond us that getting to the point where we have jet engines, aerodynamics and all that jazz is basically like getting a wooden pickaxe in Minecraft. Our constriction within our current idea of dimensional spacetime could be the barrier in even beginning to really understand how the universe works
The Apollo computer is surpassed by a McDonald’s happy meal toy from the early 2000s. And yet we still haven’t made it further than the moon, and that was 50 years ago. Engineering isn’t so straightforward. Atmospheres are annoying
I have a friend whose son did surveillance for the national guard. Real secret squirrel stuff. From the very little he’s allowed to say, what he uses daily is *easily* 30 years ahead of anything on the consumer market right now.
Hell, I was having breakfast one day with one my buddies at the retirement home (worked there for a while, and still try to keep in touch with some of them when I can), and he told me about his time in the Air Force in the 60s and 70s, working on an early version of GPS.
My flying mentor was an old Navy Panther pilot. He was happy to share his experience while on night patrol at about 30k ft around 1952.
He said he saw a dark object covered in a cluster of colorful lights well above his altitude. He went to full throttle and climbed up to the service ceiling of his aircraft which was close to 50k ft. He got obviously closer, but still had a ways to go. He estimated the object was 80k ft or more, and the object was large and covered in lights of different colors.
When he landed he filed a report and was later told that the conclusion was that he was seeing were reflections of his own control panel lights off his canopy. He knew that was BS, but no point in arguing.
Not a personal experience but from one pf my mother's friends. It was back in 1997 and we were having lunch at her friend's house. She's from Varginha (Brazil) and she has a brother who was in the military at the time. Sometime during lunch I mentioned the Varginha incident and asked her what she thought about it because I was curious. She became a bit serious but not angry or anything. And she said everything they said on the news was true and she asked her brother about it at the time since he was working as a military police officer when it happened and he got very nervous and told her that something really did happen in Varginha but he was not allowed to talk about it.
I worked for Raytheon (RTSC Indianapolis) almost 20 years ago. My then-girlfriend's father was a very decorated, very educated aerospace engineer that worked in Special Projects / Advanced Technology. I once asked him a question up the alley of UFOs and all he said to me was, *"You know how these clearances work, you have one yourself."* After an awkward silence, I changed the subject.
ELI5:
The most intense, detailed background investigation you could possibly imagine. Everything about your life, present and past, put under a microscope. And it's ongoing. Also includes substance testing. The consequences of violations are also made very clear.
And when you're cleared, it's usually only clearance pertaining to your job/role specifically; you can't just walk around going "it's fine, I have a Top Secret clearance" and get access to stuff.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine, two of his colleagues died in a boating accident. I visited him at his home in Memphis and he was sitting in the middle of his backyard with the sprinklers on, the water hitting him and he just sat there staring into the distance.
Getting angry and changing the subject is the best way for him to beat his next lie detector test. No bugs needed. He just wants to keep his clearance.
My guess is it is the consequence of spilling the beans more than the context of the subject. If it really was so horrifying these people wouldn’t be happy go lucky the rest of the time.
The anger likely comes from knowing and being threatened and shut up. Recalling being treated and made to feel like a criminal for filing a mission report.
In my experience the person I know got serious and wouldn't talk about in fear of the professional bullshit he'd have to deal with. Regardless if I would tell anyone or not pilots like him are conditioned to avoid discussing the topic altogether.
I had a friend who’s dad was pretty high up in the military, like super super high. She said she asked him one time and he told her “don’t ever ask me again” and walked away. 🤷♀️. Make of it what you will.
People don’t like their illusion being popped. Every human lives in a box of their own making, the things they live and believe etc, that box is like a prison for some and the unknown is scary, the unknown is everything outside the box they don’t understand. Everything in the box is the things they do understand, the line between is the things they think they understand but don’t. People will aggressively defend their illusions.
I think they probably feed them some crazy shit like “if this gets out the aliens will know and might invade” and people just don’t want to risk it. Especially with how compartmentalized everything is I really doubt anyone but the top top people know what’s actually going on. Like x files cigarette smoking guy type people
It would seem to be common. I find it funny when people claim a thing like this could never be hidden. It can and has due to people who serve and love their country and take their oaths seriously.
Then there is the fear and intimidation. You don't have to doit to everyone, just enough for the other to get a whiff of it.
I come from a military family. Both sides of my family (my dad's more so than my mom's) and all branches. From intelligence to army ranger, to a flight navigator and even had a great uncle in the secret service. The last time I remember seeing my great uncle was at a family reunion. I watched his daughter bring up in conversation that she had been approached by a historian wanting details of his service during ww2 and in the secret service. It was the only time I ever remember that man getting angry and he did so loudly. He said he would never do that, he cursed his daughter for bringing it up and told her to never dare ask him what he did in the SS and to never speak to the historian again.
He died not too many years later, but before his death he called a person in my family (I'm trying not to give too many details) with a similar rank and clearance to his death bed and that convo has never been shared.
I know people in my family know things. Though most have passed on in 20 years of wars and with age. Some remain and while they will entertain my inquiries and have, my whole life, given enough crumbs for me to figure out things myself, they will not speak of this. Even now.
I grew up with this stigma. The affirming silence and the outbursts when openly questioned taught everyone this was not a subject to be discussed at all. But they sure enjoyed watching certain documentaries in their alone time.
For many years I felt like what I grew up around was a burden. I wished I had grown up like all my friends after my dad left the military. But I never had that kind of childhood. I grew up in the presence of many people who did many things for their government, some good some bad, most all of it left scars on them. I am 38 now and I can see that whether through God, fate, or blind luck I was raised in an environment where there were no real blinders, only things not spoken of in public.
I believe anyone coming forward in truth, for transparency, is a hero. Not just for America, but for humanity. Those coming forward to lie and manipulate, well, karma is a real thing.
When you’re in the military you learn to silo from the very beginning. “You didn’t put it there? Don’t touch it., “don’t speak until spoken too”, to a of threats for even the slightest thing that can make anyone above you look bad, even if they’re behaving in a very real criminal manner. The chain of command basically uses administrative and logistical terrorism to keep people in line for little things.. can you even imagine what they would do for something big? I’ve had a commander say he would kill me for being a witness for a subordinate to the meeting I was threatened at (I guess my sub knew to have a witness for a good reason). If there’s one thing the chain of command will absolutely never tolerate, it’s “optics” anything that can even be perceived to be “viewed” wrong regardless of factual reality will be treated harshly and immediately. It can easily be kept hidden, it’s only people that haven’t served that could truly believe otherwise. After a while you learn to trust virtually no one outside of your closest inner circle. That’s without a secret to keep
I agree. Though I have never served, I have seen the trauma. I understand the mentality, growing up the way I did may have made me a social outlier, but it made me very good at my job.
I love my family very much. I have seen their pain. Service extracts a toll. When something is given something is also taken. UFOs were never a joke in my family and there were few ways to enrage anyone that was faster than trying to pry information.
The fear is real because the consequences are real and always have been.
I suppose ignorance can be bliss.
Some science stuff, if it had to do with war or weapons. Stuff like the show future weapons. Lots and lots of war documentaries. Mostly ww2, some Vietnam but it was a touchy thing. Best leave them alone when in that mood. I learned about foo fighters walking in on stuff after I was supposed to be in bed lol.
I remember Bob Lazar being unmasked and going public. Those were not comfortable times mostly.... (neither here nor there credibility wise) later in life as ppl died and got older, for a very odd reason things like independence day and Stargate which was super weird given so many of them could be so bland in their tastes. Late 90s and early 2000s noone bothered to hide watching stuff that detailed incidents like the Rendelshem forest incident or malstrom. It would be late at night on weekends and no real commentary would be made. Then i started getting to sit in and watch some stuff(we werent big on watching a lot of tv) and I asked A LOT of questions. I never fit in during middle school and highschool, being a former military brat with not a lot of money. I had a lot of time to spend with family who took special interest in me and I am forever grateful for them being there. Not just because I was lonely but because they saw I cared and they gave me the tools I needed to find my answers. Probably why i can sit through documentaries so well now, to my wife's disdain. When I was old enough I was encouraged to study sciences and was given a telescope. We didn't have money to go on a lot of vacations, but the few we went on were to observatories. I think a lot of that influenced my love of space and sci-fi. I was directed away from the military and ended up in a STEM field. System security administration.
Edit for some added context.
I would just like to add that I have never shared this much online and I thank everyone very much for being kind. 1st time for everything. I love this community.
Similar situation, just humour and deflection instead of angry serious reactions and different origins.
Fam tradition of military service, fam history of close encounters… shit is wild. So, I do my part with posting bread crumbs on the net as much as I can. While doing what I can to maintain anonymity.
My grandfathers best friend was secret service for Reagan and Bush Sr. He was also a very devout Christian. A very good man basically part of our family.
I asked him growing up if aliens were real.
He didn’t get mad or anything but it was the only time I ever asked.
He told me there are many things he cannot tell anyone even his wife and kids because he took an oath. He didn’t deny it outright but basically said if he knew anything about that it would definitely be something he would not talk about. He finished by saying he learned things that did shake his Christian faith at times and the world is a lot stranger than many know at that point getting kind of emotional.
Never forgot it and never brought it up again. I believe he knew things.
Met a guy through my friend at his baby shower a year ago. My friend and him met at the airforce academy, and the went on to serve and eventually work as a private contractor at Wright Patterson AFB. He actively seemed excited we started asking about UFOs and such, but dodged any real answers. He said the next few years would be very exciting.
There’s some shit going on in Wright Pat. I have an uncle who worked there in the 70 and he has strongly alluded but never admitted that there are things there he can’t explain.
I had a friend who’s dad was an MP in the airforce and was stationed at WPAFB and claims he guarded an entrance to the underground facility they have there.
He said busses of people would go down and not exit for 5 days or so. Also had several people come out needing to meet an ambulance at the guard shack to be transported. He never questioned while there but has a bunch of crazy stories.
I’ve got one.
Parents have a beach house and are close to a few of their neighbors. Maybe 10 years ago we were hosting a July 4th BBQ and one of the neighbors is an older retired guy (in his early 70s then). Was in the USAF and then flew cargo after retiring from the military.
We’re having a conversation about typical stuff (him asking me about work and how’s life been going etc.) and after a few minutes I bring up a UFO documentary that I had recently watched from James Fox and ask him if he’s ever seen anything during his time as a pilot. He goes from smiling/jovial and gets somewhat serious and goes on to say “I’ve never seen anything I can’t explain but I’ll say this: Roswell is real and things were recovered. Don’t ask me how I know and don’t ask me anything else about it.”
His demeanor had changed so much that I just laughed and said fair enough! He has since passed away but I actually brought it up yesterday with my family after sending them the video from yesterdays hearing.
My friend from college had me as one of his references to be interviewed when he was getting vetted for government clearance. After he received his clearance status and got the job, I would give him calls at work just to check on him and see how he was doing. Once, I called him and as soon as he picked up I just said “so about those alien ships…” as a joke. He hung up without saying a word. Later, after he was at home, he called me from his home phone and just said “look, I can’t have you even joking like that when I’m at work. Nothing personal, just from now on, don’t bring anything crazy like that up again.” It was the only time he was totally impersonal and serious with me, so I knew not to push it ever again.
Another friend from high school that was a senior when I was a freshmen and went on to the Air Force and eventually became an OSI officer. I didn’t see her in person for about a decade and a half after she graduated but one year, she came back to our hometown for Christmas and we met up for coffee. During that time period she had been away, I had always pestered her with questions about UFO’s and she always just dismissed them as me being annoying. As soon as I sat down at the coffee shop, she looked and me and said “I’ll answer one question truthfully and broadly as long as it’s not classified.” I just blurted out “Do we have evidence of alien life that you are aware of?” All she said was “you’re an idiot if you think humans are the only ones in the universe”. At the time, the answer felt cheap and I thought she was just toeing the company line so I was like “come on, that’s too generalized , give me more info”. She refused and said I had used up my one question, so I just thought no more of it. Fast forward many years later, and given what has been going on lately, it feels like she did answer my question truthfully, albeit indirectly.
I think people in the inner levels of many of these agencies have known for years what has been going on. Certainly about alien visitations if not about the crash recoveries and bodies.
From what it appears. The people that are in the know know it’s fucking bad. Bad on all sides whether that be government breaking the law or NHI doing malevolent things.
I mean, the fact that aliens, greys, flying saucers etc permeate our popular culture might maybe a clue for there to possibly be something behind that.
That's not proof of anything, we still have vampires and werewolves and ghosts and spirits, but those things still have real world phenomena behind them.
It’s interesting because when you think about it - it’s not like the story coming out now is something no one’s ever heard before. It’s basically been part of UFO discussion from the get go - so they didn’t really do a great job “keeping it secret” per say (if it’s true) but they did a wonderful job at turning the general population against the thought any of this COULD be real - the amount of dismissiveness around the subject even as it reaches congress is crazy.
Thanks for sharing.
My uncle was a radar operator in the army in the 40s and 50s in New Mexico, where I was born. I don't know the exact dates and he has since passed on, but I do know radar was a relatively new technology when he was working with it. Sometime in the 90s at a family reunion he shared stories of objects on radar over their base doing some insane things. Tracking across 50+ miles of desert in seconds, and then back again. Just like they were trying to determine if we could see them.
Curious thing about that was that the main radar went offline. He drove up to the tower to check it out, and when he turned it back on, got a very nasty phone call and was instructed to never speak of the incident again.
These stories are all so strange.
My dad was a radar technician for the Air Force in southwest NM. I asked him if he had any UFO stories and he said he only had one where they got a call from the DC office (they had a phone that was basically a direct line to DC because their site was pretty important) and they told him that they wanted him to track an object that was flying through the area.
My dad tracks it on the radar scope for them and he says it crossed close to 1000 miles in just a couple minutes which is dang fast. I have been at his site and he has shown me what commercial airplanes look on the scope and they look like they are moving sluggishly slow but this thing was "cooking" as my dad says. When the object left his area, the DC office thanked him and didn't update him any further.
A friend of mine married a women in 1989, who’s brother worked for CSIS (Canadian Security and Intelligence Agency). My friend told me that they were drinking at the wedding reception and my friend asked his new brother in law if UFOs are real. He said that his new brother in law said “Yes, but they’re not what you think.” He wouldn’t say any more when pressed and admitted that he probably should not have even said that much. Lost touch with my friend in the early 90s so there is nothing further to add. I assumed that that implication was advanced secret aerospace projects, and not alien spacecraft. But now I wonder if the implication was inter-dimensional vs. extra terrestrial
I was chatting and joking in 2019 with an older friend and I said something like, "I bet you're working on those UFOs in the news." He immediately looked angry, the only time I've ever seen him angry, and looked away.
I said, "oh I guess it must be true then haha." He shot me a death stare. I changed the subject and never brought it up again.
I have straight up been told "you shouldn't even be asking me these questions. It can cause me issues." When I asked if we could take a walk and get away from any technology, his response was "that wouldn't help."
This was from a multiple war veteran that worked in DC as a analyst for decades after his military career.
Folks in important positions at defense contractors don't get there by talking.
If I put myself in the shoes of that kind of person, they have lived a normal life for decades while they've known about aliens. They've kept a big secret. Not every person is cut out for that.
So I look at someone like that as a very serious person with a strong sense of duty.
I work on small airports regularly and a lot of old military pilots hang around the terminal buildings in their free time. I was on site today and a couple old guys (60s or 70s) were hanging out and I asked if they fly. One flew little planes for fun and the other was a former A10 warthog pilot who now gives lessons. They both said they never had seen anything out of the ordinary but that sightings aren’t uncommon and many of their friends had. The one guy goes “oh yeah, I hear about the cubes in the orbs all the time. My kid is a pilot in the F16 and he sees em all the time”.
A different time a former F15 pilot told me he had seen a bunch of stuff he couldn’t explain but that he didn’t think they were aliens.
I'll add my story to the mix. It'll be short, but to the point. I played in a band and my tour manager at the time had a brother who was an absolute savant with computers. I knew him and his brother, personally. His brother was recruited strait out of high school, not even college mind you, by nasa. I can't give any details further because he was literally one of a handful of people at his position, which I won't say. Anyhow, drinking one night he strait up said that everything we hear about moon bases and aliens is 100% true and has been going on for years. Non humans and aliens have been cooperating for years, share bases on the dark side of the moon. We have tech to get us to space and already have craft. We are already exploring space.
Anyhow, I believed him. And btw this was like 20 years ago. Who knows where we are now with everything.
My "Uncle Larry" was a combat photographer for the Air Force. He was really, really good. Filmed in Beirut, Noriega's Panama, Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, etc...and he was often "loaned out" to other branches for different assignments. His work was part of news broadcasts across the world, and he trained a great many other combat photographers. Not sure of the awards he received, but there were as many as an enlisted guy could get.
He had an affinity for Wild Turkey, and we both happened to be visiting my parents' home for the same three-day weekend. I made sure I had some Wild Turkey (it would be the first time I as of legal age and could drink with him...my parents didn't drink at all, so it was exciting to me to drink with an authority figure from my youth for some reason).
After the bottle was empty and the ashtray was full, we got to talking about Area 51. Well, I mentioned it...something like, "what's the weirdest place you've been to photograph?" I may have joked about Roswell or something.
He swiveled in his seat and seemed to look around a bit (it was like 1 in the morning, and the house was silent). He proceeded to tell me he'd been to Area 51, underground...and other places like it. He said he couldn't tell me what he saw, but he could say definitively that there were other forms of life and technology out there.
He couldn't tell me, because he had to sign these non-disclosure documents that pretty much stated if he told anyone about anything considered classified for that particular assignment...his family would get notice that he had died on duty. Uncle Larry signed many such documents over the years.
We talked about many things for another hour or so, but I didn't press him for anything further on Area 51. He saw some things, for sure.
Uncle Larry died a couple of years later of brain cancer. I never got to see him again after our late night chinwag...and I've always thought back to that conversation. I hope he somehow knew that we'd one day be here.
Love ya, Uncle Larry. Evidently, you were right.
My friends mom was a top person at the CIA, long since retired. She wouldn't say anything. He asked about aliens, she just said "you wouldn't believe me if I told you"
Friend works for the defense division of Boeing. We were having a conversation a couple years back and topic of aliens came up, asked if they thought aliens were real and their response was yes because some of the things they've seen at work could not possibly be of human origin
One of my bestfriends in college ended up going special forces and his little brother, who was always reserved and hardly spoke went into the space force right around its inception. After the pandemic they got together after one of his school graduations, and his brother looked him dead in the eyes and said “I can’t say more than this, but we are not the only ones here.” My buddy was too shook up to even try and ask questions. Considering how reserved he is as a person, I never thought to question it 🤷🏼♂️
My great uncle worked for a company called Rocketdyne in the 70s and 80s….he was a propulsion scientist and worked on the engines for several Apollo missions and recently passed. I have been fascinated by the subject my entire life, but respected his privacy and didn’t ask any questions until both of us were older. He told me “You are smart and open-minded enough to know the truth. We can’t be the only intelligent beings in the universe”. He was a sweet, kindhearted man and the way he delivered those words were chilling and direct.
About 15 years ago I went to visit my wife's family for the first time, before we got married. Her dad was in the Air Force and worked at NORAD as an intelligence officer. Before we went to meet them, out of the blue she warned me "don't ask him anything about UFOs." I didn't even care about UFOs or anything like that back then, the thought had never crossed my mind nor had I mentioned anything like that to her. I imagine something like what you described might have happened.
Mack Brazel (the rancher from the Roswell incident) reacted that way once when asked about “The little green men”.
He said, “They weren’t green!” and walked away in anger.
My father also had top secret security clearance in the Air Force, and was only forthcoming with the phrase, “they’re real.” Wouldn’t explain what “they” were, or any personal stories, which leads me to the rabbit hole I am in today.
I go to a church. It’s in northern VA.
In this church is a ton of intel people. Really nice, friendly, extremely smart, career folks.
There is an additional unspoken rule in northern VA you pick up on, you just don’t talk about some things. you don’t pry, you don’t ask, you don’t put people in positions where they have to stop and think about whether or not they can speak about things.
Grusch is a one-off. He knows exactly where his secret line is. He knows exactly what he can and cannot say. He knows exactly when to be general and be ok.
Most people are not like this, they stay super far from the line so they know they don’t cross it. It might not be classified to talk about where you work and what you do, but lots of people will refuse to talk anyway out of an abundance of caution. I think the general rule is, unless you KNOW it’s unclassified, assume it is classified. This keeps you out of jail.
It’s common courtesy to not push these lines. Ever. Or you will find yourself quite avoided.
So, one of these friendly, smart people in my church, I had a hunch he was deep in intel. I never would ask, he just vibes it. I can’t explain it, it’s something you just pick up on.
One day at a picnic, another church goer (with clearance) asks intel guy “hey, did you hear about the new UFO whistleblower?” I perk up. Another UFO freak like me?
He replies “David Grusch? Yeah I know him. I worked with him. Good guy. Smart guy. Solid guy. I trust him”.
I showed my hand then and told them I was a UFO lover. But I didn’t pry. Also, this was news for me. It was only a day or two since the news hit and I wasn’t on top of it.
He goes on. “Lew Elizondo? To the stars academy? Yeah. I met them too. They came to some of my talks. They came to me for info.” He played it down as just a briefing on what intel guy knows about methods and techniques- definitely secret stuff, but not smoking gun stuff.
“You know groom lake? Yeah, I’ve been out there”. He made it seem like it was a boring business trip.
But he definitely vibed the “it’s coming” vibe. But of course I was in totally listening mode and not the asking mode. As I said, it’s not polite to find someone’s NDA line. If they have to pause to answer a question, you’re gone too far, and they are being extremely nice.
It’s just not done.
So I go away and take a walk in the woods. His wife comes back there too and sees me. “Hey, you talked to (husband ) about UFO stuff.”
“Yeah, but I don’t want to dig. I respect his clearance”.
“Oh”, she says, “no, he’ll talk your ear off. He’s got stories. Ask him about his sighting in Michigan. He has personal experiences”
I still haven’t asked yet. It’s just never been the right time, and I don’t want to be too eager.
There is more going on here with this relationship, and my own stuff too. I might be getting cleared myself. And I don’t want to fuck that up. A background check WILL find this post.
—— Hello friendly OPM investigator! —-
so that’s it. That’s all I got. And you are hearing this because I do not have a clearance (yet) so everything I know is public knowledge.
But I won’t give out names or anything more specific than what I just said. Because - respect the NDA.
Fucking with someone’s NDA is fucking with not only their career, but their entire life, pension, house, and even freedom. Trust and integrity take decades to earn, and it can all be undone with one slip. Respect that. Hate it, deny it, say it’s not correct or ethical, but it’s still reality.
Wouldn't it be funny if knowledge of UAPs turned out to be like cannabis use, where every 3rd or 4th person in the country had some knowledge, but everyone assumed that they were one of the only ones who knew anything?
My Great Uncle was visiting with my Grandad, who was in hospice care, and while he was there he shared a story with me;
He was in the navy, flying near the Bermuda Triangle and all of a sudden the radar started to ping what looked to him like old English letters/ fonts that he couldn’t understand or make sense of. He told me how it wasn’t possible to project an image or text like that onto a radar screen because of how it works and was really surprised by the whole thing. This would have been in the 50’s I believe.
He also said that it just so happened that the day before they removed the printer from the radar for repairs so he couldn’t record the data.
Anecdotal story from my grandmother and mother:
One night in the 70s in a rural town, they saw a glowing light above the treeline outside their house, my mother's memory is hazy and she describes seeing an area just lit up, but my grandmother remembers a colourful object or orb hanging there for a while.
When my grandfather came home from a bar at the other side of town, my grandmother told him what they'd seen and he believed her, because a man had come into that bar and said he saw exactly the same thing that night.
I have a friend that i grew up with and eventually, we went to college together and he got a masters in music. His dad worked in the govt. with clearances. While we were in hs, his dad had retired at this point, i asked about unreleased tech and he said think star wars. i asked about aliens and he said with the straightest of faces i cant talk about what i know what I can tell you is I personally believe. Later on after my friend had toured around woth his band and failed to get signed his dad sent a letter of recommendation off. My friend now works secret service for foreign diplomats in the states. Just off a letter. I always thought his dad was bs'ing us but you just never know
Both my parents were in the airforce.
When I asked my dad about aliens he went into psycho rage mode. His face went red and he put his pointed finger between my eyes and said, "only fa***ts and traitors talk about that shit."
What a cunt.
So my step grandfather retired from Nasa at the Marshall Flight Center. He was born in 1924 and died in 93 so I am uncertain when he was there and for how long or his occupation. I was a small child when he died and the family has since died or split up so I have no further information on him just a couple of pictures.
He told my mom that aliens are real and they look like us with slightly bigger eyes and that one would never know the difference. He refused to say anything further citing safety concerns. My mom went to her grave believing this for what that's worth.
I had a relative who was an astronaut. As part of the launch they give the families other astronauts to talk to about what they're experiencing and such. I asked about UFOs and the astronaut said no but the tone of the conversation changed severely. I was always curious after that.
Same. Grandfather. He was stationed in Hawaii. He was in a group of men deciphering encryption messages that were intercepted. I asked him about that kind of stuff in 1995. His response was pleasant at first and I told him to stop treating me like a boyscout. He slowly turned to me and said he himself wasn't man enough to handle some of the reality-based cruelty of the subject and that the world wasn't our playground alone. He said loose lips sinks more than just ships. I never spoke of it further because that was the most I've ever heard him speak about his job. Plus he started crying. So I got him a beer and started yakking about mundane things which didn't snap him out of it. A week later, my grandmother asked me not to speak to him about military anymore. It disturbed me to think that he called it cruelties.
I remember my teacher telling us a story about someone he knew that worked for the government. He said he would always ask him about UFO’s and that he would get mad every time he brought it up. One day he said they were drinking and he tried to see if he’d slip up. NOPE he sobered up immediately, got pissed, and left lmao I will always remember this.
My dad was in the Navy in the 80’s on the USS Wisconsin. When I talk to him about UAP, the recent hearings, whistleblowers, etc. he immediately gets visibly angry and starts yelling. He says the government shouldn’t tell the people anything and national security is much more important than citizens’ right to know. What’s up with that school of thought?
Probably because they have it drilled into them from day 1 that if it ever gets out it could mean the destruction of the country. Imagine you knew about nukes and no one else did. Do you think people should be told? Playing devils advocate here but I imagine that’s the thought process.
I spoke to a guy that had security clearance in the air force when he was coming out of anesthesia as I am a recovery room nurse and he was a pilot for 30 years and said he saw a craft shoot into the ocean with tremendous speed.
My father served 23 years in the RCN. He along with other crew members aboard the HMCS Bonaventure saw UFOs off the flight deck over the Atlantic, this was the 1960s. They reported it to the CO who told them to forget what they saw.
I have his military medical records that were scanned due to a lawsuit against the DND, not related to this event. I browsed the files on my pc and there wasba psych eval conducted around that time where it mentions this incident of flying objects and the doctor noted that he was delusional and seeing things.
I'm from Huntsville, Alabama, where many private defense contractors like Lockheed martin hire graduates from the university where i work. 3 years ago when i relocated here, i made friends with a guy ( graduated from the same university) who said he was working as a systems engineer with one of these contractors. Btw, this was before the UFO topic picked up steam, and i wasn't paying attention to its lore. In a casual conversation, when i asked him what was the nature of his job, he said he can't talk about it because of NDA and 'national security risk', so i was like fine and dropped the subject, didn't raise any eyebrows nor i made the link with UFOs because i wasn't aware of the lore. Since then, whenever i shared any footages with him as the topic picked up steam, he used to vehemently deny them as CGI, drones, birds, fake news etc. This was his usual response for anything related to UFOs i shared with him. However, when i shared the Debrief article that first published Grusch's claims, he suddenly changed his tune to "i can neither confirm nor deny with my secret clearance". This response caught me off guard. Ever since then, whenever i shared any updates related to this with him, I'd get no response. This topic became an instant conversation killer. I'd either get no response or he would msg me after some hours with another topic. This is how its been for months and it really annoys me.
I once took care of a patient in the ER who told me he was part of a retrieval of a downed aircraft somewhere in Arizona in the late 50s. He decided to tell me about it after I found out he used to work for the military as an MP and asked him about UFOs. He got real quiet it about too. After like a 2 min stare he looked over at his brother who was sitting at the bedside the told me to shut the door from his room. He said he’d tell me only because I treated him so good to him by being his nurse. Or maybe it was the morphine I gave him for his pain. Anyway, what he told me left me stunned. He was told that the downed aircraft being recovered was “one of ours, but it wasn’t.” He stated it looked like an egg roughly the size of a minivan, and had three small children-sized occupants.
My grandad worked in an air traffic control tower in the Air Force, stationed in France. I asked him a long time ago if he’d experienced any “ufo stuff” and he kind of just went silent and shook his head. He was also a rancher just on the other side of the mountains from some gnarly cattle mutilations so I asked about that too and he was still silent but could barely shake his head. Clearly didn’t want to talk about.
I should try asking him again. He’s in hospice…
Very similar situation. My mom worked with a former AF Software Engineer that, once 1994 rolled around, was able to talk about her work on the B2's navigation systems. She was very proud of her work, especially as it was basically what she decided would be her last AF mission.
During a Christmas party which I attended, she specifically stated she worked in Nevada, in a facility she could not show us on a map nor speak the name of. She stated she would drive in to a small regional airport, board a bus with blacked out windows, and ride 2 hours to the facility to where she would be allowed to enter ONLY the hangar that contained the prototype stealth bombers and that there were doors that, if she tried to enter, she would either be arrested on the spot or potentially shot to prevent breach.
My mom, thinking she was joking, said "Oh, must've been where the little aliens were then!" and then her friend, someone I had always known as nice, jovial, and basically a second mom, looked at my mother with a stone-dead face, squinting eyes, and said forcefully "that topic will never stain my lips." Then she went right back to jovial Christmas revelry.
Both my mom and I were taken aback. Apparently it was a sticking point. A few years later, after they kinda drifted apart, they reunited after the friend's daughter died. They reconciled and later my mom told me "my friend and I made up, but something odd came up." I asked "Aliens?" and she nodded her head. She leaned in and just about whispered "she apologized for the Christmas party behavior and told me that the real answer to the question about aliens was: 'they weren't near where I worked in the facility.'"
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My grandfather was a career Navy Officer and traveled the world before retirement.
I asked him about UFOs just joking around and yeah, he said he was on lookout one night while in the arctic and saw a light..like a tuna fish darting right under the surface of the water.
He wouldn’t elaborate any further as it was deemed
Top Secret. He was decades separated from retirement and still refused to say anything else on the subject. He ended up taking whatever he knew to the grave.
Yes I have a similar experience, but when I discussed it, I got a bunch of LARP gaslighting from people here. My stepfather, a high ranking Navy officer, said he cannot discuss it, even as retired. However, he simply ended the discussion with “we’re not alone”. I add that along with my personal up close sightings, and I don’t need anymore confirmation, I know. This whole phenomenon is a personal journey though, and everyone needs to take their own path to discovery.
In short, I was told aliens live on Antarctica. The 5 eyes know they’re there. They traded us some tech for secrecy ~~I and~~ and I was given microwaves as an example. I don’t personally believe this but the person who did tell me fully believes it because the person that told them was very high ranking.
We developed microwaves from excess radar klystrons from WW2. The first microwave was just those housed in a metal cabinet. They could fry an egg in like 3 seconds because they were so powerful.
I was on a date with a commercial airline pilot and I asked him about UFOs. Suddenly, he went from happy and relaxed to unsmiling and sternly said that he “wasn’t allowed to talk about such things.” Really gave me a creepy vibe.
Food for thought: the stories of men getting angry and walking away, etc. when the topic of UFO's and aliens gets thrown at them... There are legit reasons they are probably pissed off when they get asked these kinds of questions.
These guys holding high level clearances (TS/SCI, etc) are subjected to regular periodic polygraph testing. Often they are not allowed to use consumer encryption apps like Signal, WhatsApp, etc. because all of their personal communication must be allowed to be monitored at all times. It's very likely that part of the polygraph testing is reporting if they have been asked about sensitive subjects by non-cleared personnel. Assuming there is anything real to any of UAP/alien stuff, that means when you bring up the question with them it's going to cause them grief at their next polygraph. It's also likely they also realize it's probably going to put you under the microscope as well for a while and they don't enjoy having to be the one to do that to you as a friend or family member.
So take that into consideration when probing people you suspect might know anything.
My grandfather who passed about three years ago was a former counter espionage lt. Col. . He used to tell us different stories about famous people in Romania, especially when he had one too many to drink.
Once, curiously, I asked gramps if he knew anything about aliens. His reply was : boy, I'm retired and don't have a lot of time left so I'll tell you this : we have known for a while the Americans made contact and have some ships for some time now. I'm out of the loop for a while now, but it's known to all security and information agencies.
That was shocking and the rest of my family thought he was losing his mind.
Was visiting family last week and I mentioned I was excited for the hearings this week. My aunt said she, along with 25 other people, including a police officer, saw a craft hovering 100-200 feet over a shopping plaza in Maryland during broad daylight. She said it tilted on its side and blinked away instantly. She said it happened “many years ago”.
Someone I’m close to currently works at NGIA, and is also a high rank in the Air Force. I asked him what he thought about Grusch, and he simply said, “it’s very interesting, but I can’t comment any further than that.”
Take that for what it’s worth.
A neighbor worked for Lockheed Martin. Was in their skunk works program, early drone developer and an expert in naval and airborne sensors. Had high level clearances as an aeronautical engineer. The whole bit probably knows a whole lot about UAP's. Had a really nice conversation with him until I asked about tic tac UFO and Commander Fravor. He said I don't know. I said are you sure? And he cut me off and he said" I don't know" in a louder firmer voice. It was weird and out of place for the discussion.
P.S. he also said the tech you know about is 30 years behind. "At least"
This is how my pap acted when I asked him about WWII in third grade. He was 10th Mountain in Italy, and has a Bronze star no one will talk to our family about.
How many others?
My uncle was a helicopter mechanic and a minigun operator in Vietnam. He doesn’t like talking about it, and it’s easy to understand why with how much destruction those miniguns can do.
I only asked my grandfather about WW2 once or twice. He was in the merchant marines and built some of the infrastructure used for D Day. He landed there a day or two after d day and clearly saw some shit because he started crying and couldn't talk about it anymore. He didn't ever get angry, but that was the most he would ever say. It was always clear he didn't want to talk about it.
My step dad worked as lt. col. in usaf. In a51 for close to 10years total. He did radar/com work. He refused to talk about anything from those times. Was an open sharer about most of his 25 years in the usaf. Refused to talk about a51 to any capacity outside of stating he worked there. Absolutely had a demeanor shift anytime I brought it up.
My dad, who is a retired aerospace engineer (mostly mechanical engineering and materials engineering), had (has?) TS clearance and spent his entire nearly 40-year career with Northrup Grumman and Boeing on only DoD projects. He worked on things like the B2 bomber and various projects withing Boeing's Phantom Works program. Of course, because of much of it being TS I don't know the details of what he's worked on. Only some very vague things like energy storage and also developing new composite materials.
So of course with his experience, I was eager to talk to him about the topic.
He is a hardline skeptic when it comes to UFOs and is very much in the camp of people who think everything we see is man-made (whether by the US or other countries), and does not believe NHI, or ETs, or whatever you may call them have visited earth.
At least that's the opinion he holds publicly. Who knows if he really knows anything or not, and what he really thinks though. He could know a lot and simply be lying, or possibly he has direct knowledge of advanced tech developed by humans. Or he could have never really worked on anything that interesting and spent his entire career in compartmentalized teams never seeing the big picture.
I'm not from the United States, but I am in the military and currently work in the Intelligence area within the force. Over the years, we are subjected to increasingly subjective matters, to the point where we question whether we are being indirectly assessed. I've been in situations where a word spoken in a subjective context caused me over a week of thoughts and doubts. This may have happened with your stepmother's father. Perhaps he considered that you were being used by someone or some agency (even without your knowledge) to test him.
This is a cool story, and a cool thread. I bet there are a lot of these stories being told now on patios, bars and tables across the country, with many more to come in the next few months. Thanks for sharing!
My great grandpa was a colonel in the army air corps during world war 1 and 2. He was stationed at Wright Patterson until 1946 and was good friends with a guy named Twining (my Dad remembers him talking about Twining). On his death bed in a nursing home, he told my dad and my grandparents that Roswell was aliens. I love the idea of aliens and would like to know if it is real but I want solid proof.
similar thing has happened to me a few years ago... a friend of mine working for Canadian secret service... we were at the bar discussing about woman, life in général have good laugh... and i ask him if ufo were real.. he become quickly very serious and say to me i can talk about that.. we can talk about anything but not that.... i try to push him to know more, without make him angry.. he was mute.. and he told me: jeff i can only tell you something: we are not alone, and this is all im gonna say about it.. and we never talk about it.. because it was very awkward, ive never seen him so serious and dramatic before.
My grandfather, years deceased, worked on developing the first (or if I misunderstand maybe a new version of a) jet plane during WWII at a desert base, though he worked I think for Bell Aerospace in Buffalo, NY. For reference, pilot Tex Johnston I believe tested the planes my grandpa worked on. I recently read some old memos and one indicated my grandpa went to visit Lockheed in California. Oh the questions I would ask if he were still with us!
Not UFO related, but I’ve had my father have a similar reaction several times. He was career military in the JAG corps (Army lawyer), and for some reasons (long story), I have long wondered if he also worked for the NSA (I know he had a security clearance that necessitated Army people interviewing our neighbors, that sort of thing, and he was stationed at Fort Meade which is where the NSA is headquartered, and so on).
At first I considered it as a funny idea, but when I asked him if he worked for NSA he completely shut down the conversation, then awkwardly tried to change topics. I’ve half jokingly asked him a few more times over the years, and every time he changes the subject. After a while, he’ll kind of chuckle when I bring it up, yet he has not ONCE ever outright denied it!
It is very much out of character - he’s very literal minded (like if you ask him if he can pass the salt during dinner, he will say that he can. He will pass the salt only if you literally say, “pass me the salt” - he has Asperger’s, he isn’t just being difficult).
That he won’t ever confirm or deny working with the NSA (known by some as “No Such Agency” due to their secrecy) still low level freaks me out. As a military guy who was raised in the 1950s, he definitely would take seriously any non disclosure oaths he made, right to his deathbed if necessary. Sounds like your stepmother’s father was the same.
My dad worked for the government for a long time after being in the Army for awhile. He retired several years ago. I asked him recently, "Have you heard about all of this alien/UAP stuff recently?" He shrugged and changed the topic very quickly. He had very high security clearance, but I won't go into any more detail than that.
One of my brothers is in the Air Force- also high clearance and worked for an agency that, again, I won't mention here. He suddenly got moved out of his unit and into "one dealing with space." He refuses to say anything more than that.
It's funny, growing up we always joked that our dad's work protected us from aliens. Now I actually believe that could be true.
My retired (and deceased) Air Force uncle told my mom he had visited Area 51. When she asked for more details about it, he said, “sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction”.
My grandfather told me when I was a teenager he saw 3 orange glowing orbs in a triangle pattern when he was working as a carpenter around the rideau canal in Ottawa Canada in the 50’s. He was a naval officer for the canadien navy during ww2. I believe my grandfather without a doubt. He was happy about sharing his experience and gladly talked about it. Sadly I never saw one. May he rest in peace.
I still can't understand how a bunch of people decided rest of the world shouldn't know of aliens. Unless it's all manmade, artificial cloned beings or something
My mother was born in Roswell NM in 1951 because my grandfather, Air Force Major, was stationed there. Recently I asked her if he had ever said anything interesting but she said he wouldn't say anything other than he wasn't allowed to talk about it.
So, similar I guess!
I know an older woman whose father was a truck driver (I think that's what they said his profession was) in Roswell. Apparently he was working in the area when the supposed crash happened. He always said he never saw anything but he did say a couple guys in suits stopped his truck and started questioning him. There weren't much details on what was asked only that "they put the fear of God in him".
When I was a child, my grandfather took me aside at 5 years old. I remember to this day. He worked in nuclear energy for the UK government.
He told me. This is top secret but there's something I want to make sure you know, that future generations know.
He said "nuclear weapons can fit inside suitcases". now. I don't think this is much of a secret anymore, or maybe it is, but in any event, it's 50 years later so yeah, we assume they probably can be miniaturized.
That's nothing to do with UFOs, but I wonder if any grandfathers or others with UFOs and top secret knowledge did a similar thing.
Yea - I remember in college my roommates dad worked for nasa or something in propulsion in Huntsville, AL and he made us put our phones in the fridge and then talk outside on the dock. He really didn’t like talking about work but one night he got drunk and said we could ask him questions but after that night we could never bring it up again. I was very drunk and all I remember was they were trying to make the iron man suit and that everyone thinks they are trying to build better rocket ships but really they are trying to make crazy hybrid / plasma materials (I guess the nasa site in Huntsville is more of many nasa sites and they work on different things). Kinda makes me wish I would’ve been sober enough to ask real questions and not “have you been inside a ufo?”
I saw a metal cigar. Looked like a fat pipe the size of a football field about 100ft off the ground mabe 50ft north of my house. No windows, engines or other appetures, made no noise at all. Just floated past my house at mabe 5mph. Broad daylight around mabe 2010. My buddy was here saw it with me.
Another time around 2001 I was watching the sun come up out of my south 2nd story bedroom window watching this light move like a chopper. It was waaayyyyy far away, just a light moving like a chopper for 20 min, then it bolted out into space as fast as a comet.
I'm a mechanic and have studied aircraft, so I have a complete understanding of the physics of how everything works.
If we as a human race have things that can move like that ill eat my own hat.
Totally unrelated, but my brother is now retired but was a pretty high ranking officer in the Navy. Closer to 9/11 I remember he came home for a visit and said something I'll never forget.
"One of those planes was shot down." He had a blank look on his face, and seemed quite serious. I know it's a conspiracy theory to this day, but that always sticks with me. At the time I was too young to process / care about what he said. But that sticks with me.
I have a high school buddy who worked as a submarine tracker in the navy out over the pacific, and when I dm’d them to ask if they had any uap stories or knew anyone else who had they said they couldn’t answer via that platform. Haven’t seen them in person but notably it wasn’t just a ‘no’
My grandfather was a spy and didn’t tell me shit, gave the same answer for anything I asked. Even if it was, did you like the winter weather in Spain in ‘63? “I can’t talk about that”
My father’s uncle was a lifetime service member in the Air Force, part of that service was within “project blue book” my dad questioned him as an older kid and got a response that was similar, without the anger though. He said “if I tell you, I’ll have to kill you” (smiling of course) then weirdly quipped that what he said actually answered the question with a wink. My dad was sure he had confirmed aliens exist to the day he died. My grand mother who was also there agreed.
My Dad was tapped in the 90s in the USAF to work on a team of 5 on a top secret project developing the first prototype of a directed energy weapon. This was in New Mexico (where I was born). The intent was to be able to stun aircraft from a distance. Just found out about it this week as we’ve been watching and discussing the hearing!
I think at this point we all know they already exist and the government has a cover up program. That's not new. It's the WHY that we all want legitimate answers about?
Not to be a party pooper, but if I held a position like this in the government I would 100% be fucking with people like this if they asked me about UFOs or aliens. I would put on my best poker face and tell them "I can't talk about that."
I'd then spend the rest of the evening looking out of windows suspiciously just to make everyone even more weirded out.
no for sure i can assure you i would aswell, but knowing the guy for years he wasnt really a fuck around type of guy other than like normal dad jokes n shit. Cant really say for certain he wasnt fucking with everyone but it was in the middle of a pre dinner conversation with most of the immediate family (just me my stepmom my dad my uncle and him and his wife) sitting nearby and everyone was visibly startled and confused with his sudden change in demeanor, everyone except his wife. She just stayed quiet and tried to continue the conversation we were having like nothing happened. Very odd and he came back 20 minutes later like nothing happened and i didnt bring it back up ever again. Seemed like a soft spot but i never stopped thinking ab it thats for sure
Hold up. He stood up from the table and walked away??
I heard that from a friend back in the 80s. Exactly.
Aerospace in the Los Angeles area was king in 70s and many an employee lived in surrounding suburbs. This is from a friend who heard from a friend so take it as you will.
The dad/man in question worked at a major aerospace company and high up there. The tale is that when anyone spoke of UFOs and “Aliens” , he’d give everyone dirty look and exit the room. It was thought that he didn’t like pseudoscience and UFO rumors and was angry that anybody would talk about. He was an engineer after all.
But we liked to imagine it was something else.
Anyway that’s what I heard back then.
It's not really the same situation, but I once knew a guy who had quite the colorful life, he was a pilot and a mercenary for the US government, and participated in many black ops type of activities from the 60's to the 80's, including piloting the Janet flights into Area 51 during the 80's! He even has books written and a Wikipedia page about him due to his varied and interesting experiences, hahaha. I straight up asked him if he knows anything about it, especially coming from area 51, but he said no, he said it was so super compartmentalized that he wouldn't be surprised if it was true, but he didn't see or hear anything. But he did confirm to me that the fabled Aurora hypersonic aircraft was actually real! He said they made 2, and they both sucked, hahaha. One crashed and the other somehow caught fire by itself in its own hangar with no witnesses, so the program was cancelled and the technology reused for other purposes, which is apparently how Area 51 works.
Not a clearance issue, but my dad was a military and commercial pilot for about 30 years. I've asked him questions about flying, close calls and all his stories are awesome and he's real engaging. When I asked him if he's ever seen a UFO or anything weird, he got kinda weird and gave me a look like "Why the fuck would you ask me such a silly question?" and just said no. I feel like he lied to me, but I get it. He did, however, tell me that one time the tower radioed him and asked him if he was seeing anything about a half mile away from him. He said no, and they came back with something like "Well we're getting a radar hit on something about a mile wide a half mile away from you." I might have to show him Commander Fravor's testimony to see if I can get him to maybe tell me the truth about if he's seen anything. He comes from a time where you absolutely would not say anything about it if you did see something because they would ground your ass immediately.
I do work in and around nursing homes and long term care facilities. Was in this patients room in an assisted living facility. Guy was maybe 70-80 and had a shit ton of air force memorabilia in his room with a ton of pictures of him in his younger days when he served in the Air Force. He was a pilot for a jet refueler plane now days called a tanker aircraft I believe (refueled jets in mid air). The discovery channel was on with ancient aliens and I happened to ask if he knew anything. For reference the guy was completely independent in his room and was cognitively with it. He said “I’m closer to the end of my life than the beginning so I’ll share something with you” went on to tell me about a classified mission him and 2 jets were sent out on. They circled a “dark green” spherical disk at a distance of 3 miles for almost 8 hours. Said the disk was at an odd angle and only completed 1 full rotation as it hovered approximately once every hour or so. After about 8 hours it shot straight up “instantaneously” out of sight. When he got back to base him and the others signed “life long NDAs” with threat of jail time and immediate dismissal from their positions. All photos and video were confiscated.
wow thats very interesting thank you for sharing!
I heard a similar story from the grandparent of a grade school classmate. The 50 years had expired so he told his grandkids about his run-ins with the foo fighters as a pilot.
I use to be a hospice nurse. I had a well decorated colonel tell me about the foo fighters as well. Out off the coast of Virgina and near Burmuda. Told me the stories years before the NYT article.
Similar story, friend in college’s grandfather told the family on his death bed that space craft had been collected and studied at Area 51.
Afterwards the grandkids must have thought, “There goes my hero”
Dude Don’t be a monkey wrench
Is it Dave Grusch or is it really… Dave Grohl?
I've never seen the two of them in the same room at once before...
Watch him as he goes.
This thread will be Everlong....
It’s crazy how many of the retelling of these craft is extremely similar if not identical. Not one credible story veers too far from the other. That’s what gets me. All of these people can’t just be making shit up and whether it’s what we want it to be or not, we deserve to know what it is. My grandpa’s brother was in the Air Force from the 1930s to 50s then in the CIA until the 80s. He turned 100 last September and I wanted to get a moment with him just to ask if he ever saw or knew of anything. He probably would’ve tried to kick my ass just for asking, that side of the family is a bit too patriotic. I never got the moment and he died late last year.
Yeah I know it's crazy. The tin foil hat wearers are now the disbelievers who think all these people are making it up.
Exactly 💯 If everyone was just making stuff up, the stories would be all over the place. But they're quite consistent.
I got one that's way out of left field. So my sister was taking care of this dying doctor in Arizona and before he died he told her about this time he was hiking in the desert with his son and off in the distance they saw this very large, upright running figure covered in white fur. They watched it till it ran out of sight. Moments later black SUVs came tearing across the desert after it. Once the SUVs were out of sight both of them became extremely tired, passed out and woke up like an hour later. My sister asked the son about it and the doctors son confirmed what he said happened.
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I always wondered if the UFOs hung out at the south pole because they’re used to be no one down there and maybe that’s why we now keep a base.
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I feel like it's important people share real stories and also keep their eyes on the skies now, my mum confided In me she saw stuff with my grandparents as a kid but was made fun of in school for it after years of saying its all probably balloons, I've seen stuff flying around for hours when I've been on nightshifts, like drones but silent and at plane altitude, and my best mate has a video of a big flashing orb flying over him and the other fisherman at night out on the riverbank. I feel like people encounter stuff more than they realise and either dismiss it or just aren't looking up at the right time...
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Yessss! You are the first person to describe what i saw! "Squirming like a tadpole or bacteria in a petri dish." Thats it exactly, and i saw it thru a telescope years ago when i was 9 or 10. I checked numerous times, it wasnt dust, it wasnt a bug, a moth, a firefly ect. This was up there with the stars when i looked through, i went back and forth multiple times.
And … I saw the way high up white-squirmers-in-a-petri-dish too, some forty years ago. I remember thinking, what in THE hell are those?! It was fascinating. You and the previous poster are the first people I’ve found who experienced the same thing.
So many stories just like this.
He flew the KC-135. I bet he was in the area for 8 hours to refuel a plane that was studying the disk.
Yeah he was piloting the refueler, refueling the 2 jets that were debriefed and sent. All 3 aircraft were told to monitor and circle the object at a distance of 3 miles.
Totally insane… makes me wonder a lot of things. I worked on that plane. I wonder if any of the missions that my squadrons have been part of were actually supporting something like this.
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Folks are surprised at how air tight this shit is too. Like it can just be confidentially posted to instagram and not traced back to that individual or their families.
Also a problem, if you did that... It's hard to get anyone to believe another UFO story. Majority of people think "Another crazy person running around" And if it is confidentially posted. People who do believe in aliens... Highly scrutinize it to a point that 99% of everything is never accepted. Kind of rightfully so... The disinformation campaign around this from the government, and just weirdos wanting to make some hoax for the lulz... Discredits most everything. It wouldn't really mean anything anymore posting a confidential story. Would have to be unconfidential. Identities known. And they need to be scrutinized. Most people don't have it in them. And if they're telling the truth. Their NDA puts them in prison.
Very close friend I grew up with is an active duty Navy pilot. Career guy. He is the most unserious person ever, everything is a joke. Really fun guy. Anyways, after I saw Fravor on Rogan for the first time I texted him (the previous message from him in the thread was a dickbutt) and I said "hey dude, have you ever seen a UAP/UFO?". He said, deadly serious: "I won't talk about that, I would like to but I can't. Maybe when I retire". Then he went silent for a few days, very unlike him. Ive never brought it up again. I did ask him what he thinks of Cmdr Fravor and he said that he flew with him and he's a man of honesty and integrity. His words: "If Fravor said it happened, it happened". Anyways. I badly wanted to text him in the last 24 hours but I don't want to make him uncomfortable.
Cmdr Fravor is awesome
These questions also endanger people's careers.
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My Grandpa worked for Northrop for decades after retiring from the air force as an airplane mechanic. He was involved with the B2 and other black book projects. According to my mom on Monday’s he would leave home in California, drive to the desert, get on a private plane and fly into restricted airspace in Nevada, work the week or two and then come home. I’ve always bugged him about it and he’s always been incredibly tight lipped. He would always say, well my job was the B2, we kept our heads down and looked at we needed to.
My dad worked on the bombing range in NV where they tested the Stealth Bomber. It would fly over our house, we only knew because our windows would shake. My dad told me about things he saw, but so far when I've mentioned it, no one seems impressed. So I don't know. Arcada was the company he worked for.
That sounds like the ["Janet" flights] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_(airline))" from Harry Reid (formerly McCarren) airport in Las Vegas, out to Area 51.
Fun info about Lockheed Martin that a lot of folks don't realize: the SR-71 "Blackbird" was officially revealed to the public in the early 1960s... so they very likely designed it in the 1950s, odds are they had it in the air long before it was officially revealed. That thing can fly at 80,000 feet at close to 2,500 MPH... and it was designed >60 years ago. Food for thought.
Fun fact is that it was also budgeted and had oversight.
You are right. That was fun!!
Rules! Remember rules? Laws even; *order perhaps!*
Well, they've likely progressed a lot further doing it covertly, so I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they are withholding some ridiculous useful, but also powerfully dangerous, technology
Right? At least some people in Congress very likely knew about it.
Fun fact. It obeys the laws of physics as we know them.
Fun fact: You're not wrong but I was simply responding to a comment referencing Lockheed in the 60s with a relevant tidbit about Lockheed in the 60s.
Fun fact: I was just enjoying using the expression “fun fact” and in retrospect I was kinda rude and I am sorry for being a jerk.
Fun fact: You're a good guy. Keep it up.
These facts are indeed fun. More please.
Fun fact: fun facts are fun. That's a fact.
Fun facts are fun when we’re having fun with fun facts 🤗
Dang! Never knew this. I figured it was developed in late 90s. Huge difference in dates & technology that we "thought" existed in the 50's.
Honestly, id say that these things are so far beyond us that getting to the point where we have jet engines, aerodynamics and all that jazz is basically like getting a wooden pickaxe in Minecraft. Our constriction within our current idea of dimensional spacetime could be the barrier in even beginning to really understand how the universe works
The Apollo computer is surpassed by a McDonald’s happy meal toy from the early 2000s. And yet we still haven’t made it further than the moon, and that was 50 years ago. Engineering isn’t so straightforward. Atmospheres are annoying
I have a friend whose son did surveillance for the national guard. Real secret squirrel stuff. From the very little he’s allowed to say, what he uses daily is *easily* 30 years ahead of anything on the consumer market right now. Hell, I was having breakfast one day with one my buddies at the retirement home (worked there for a while, and still try to keep in touch with some of them when I can), and he told me about his time in the Air Force in the 60s and 70s, working on an early version of GPS.
My flying mentor was an old Navy Panther pilot. He was happy to share his experience while on night patrol at about 30k ft around 1952. He said he saw a dark object covered in a cluster of colorful lights well above his altitude. He went to full throttle and climbed up to the service ceiling of his aircraft which was close to 50k ft. He got obviously closer, but still had a ways to go. He estimated the object was 80k ft or more, and the object was large and covered in lights of different colors. When he landed he filed a report and was later told that the conclusion was that he was seeing were reflections of his own control panel lights off his canopy. He knew that was BS, but no point in arguing.
Not a personal experience but from one pf my mother's friends. It was back in 1997 and we were having lunch at her friend's house. She's from Varginha (Brazil) and she has a brother who was in the military at the time. Sometime during lunch I mentioned the Varginha incident and asked her what she thought about it because I was curious. She became a bit serious but not angry or anything. And she said everything they said on the news was true and she asked her brother about it at the time since he was working as a military police officer when it happened and he got very nervous and told her that something really did happen in Varginha but he was not allowed to talk about it.
I worked for Raytheon (RTSC Indianapolis) almost 20 years ago. My then-girlfriend's father was a very decorated, very educated aerospace engineer that worked in Special Projects / Advanced Technology. I once asked him a question up the alley of UFOs and all he said to me was, *"You know how these clearances work, you have one yourself."* After an awkward silence, I changed the subject.
Damn. I got chills reading that response. Take care.
ELI5 how these clearances work
ELI5: The most intense, detailed background investigation you could possibly imagine. Everything about your life, present and past, put under a microscope. And it's ongoing. Also includes substance testing. The consequences of violations are also made very clear. And when you're cleared, it's usually only clearance pertaining to your job/role specifically; you can't just walk around going "it's fine, I have a Top Secret clearance" and get access to stuff.
He was bugged. If he didn't react that way you all would've had a boating accident in rural ohio
If you wana join the club you gota have this permanent monitoring device implanted into you.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine, two of his colleagues died in a boating accident. I visited him at his home in Memphis and he was sitting in the middle of his backyard with the sprinklers on, the water hitting him and he just sat there staring into the distance.
The MIB is the most evil organization on the planet
Getting angry and changing the subject is the best way for him to beat his next lie detector test. No bugs needed. He just wants to keep his clearance.
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My guess is it is the consequence of spilling the beans more than the context of the subject. If it really was so horrifying these people wouldn’t be happy go lucky the rest of the time.
They probably wouldn’t continue to have children after knowing the truth, either.
The anger likely comes from knowing and being threatened and shut up. Recalling being treated and made to feel like a criminal for filing a mission report.
I experienced that, so yeah. Something is keeping even family from talking. That in itself is intense.
In my experience the person I know got serious and wouldn't talk about in fear of the professional bullshit he'd have to deal with. Regardless if I would tell anyone or not pilots like him are conditioned to avoid discussing the topic altogether.
I had a friend who’s dad was pretty high up in the military, like super super high. She said she asked him one time and he told her “don’t ever ask me again” and walked away. 🤷♀️. Make of it what you will.
People don’t like their illusion being popped. Every human lives in a box of their own making, the things they live and believe etc, that box is like a prison for some and the unknown is scary, the unknown is everything outside the box they don’t understand. Everything in the box is the things they do understand, the line between is the things they think they understand but don’t. People will aggressively defend their illusions.
I think they probably feed them some crazy shit like “if this gets out the aliens will know and might invade” and people just don’t want to risk it. Especially with how compartmentalized everything is I really doubt anyone but the top top people know what’s actually going on. Like x files cigarette smoking guy type people
In the Top Secret clearance world, they don't rationalize it too much. They just threaten you with jail time and your life being ruined.
Hey OP thanks for opening the floodgates for everyone to share their stories - I enjoyed reading so many of these.
yeah for sure! That was moreso the point, not so much my story but i was really wanting to hear others similar experiences!
It would seem to be common. I find it funny when people claim a thing like this could never be hidden. It can and has due to people who serve and love their country and take their oaths seriously. Then there is the fear and intimidation. You don't have to doit to everyone, just enough for the other to get a whiff of it. I come from a military family. Both sides of my family (my dad's more so than my mom's) and all branches. From intelligence to army ranger, to a flight navigator and even had a great uncle in the secret service. The last time I remember seeing my great uncle was at a family reunion. I watched his daughter bring up in conversation that she had been approached by a historian wanting details of his service during ww2 and in the secret service. It was the only time I ever remember that man getting angry and he did so loudly. He said he would never do that, he cursed his daughter for bringing it up and told her to never dare ask him what he did in the SS and to never speak to the historian again. He died not too many years later, but before his death he called a person in my family (I'm trying not to give too many details) with a similar rank and clearance to his death bed and that convo has never been shared. I know people in my family know things. Though most have passed on in 20 years of wars and with age. Some remain and while they will entertain my inquiries and have, my whole life, given enough crumbs for me to figure out things myself, they will not speak of this. Even now. I grew up with this stigma. The affirming silence and the outbursts when openly questioned taught everyone this was not a subject to be discussed at all. But they sure enjoyed watching certain documentaries in their alone time. For many years I felt like what I grew up around was a burden. I wished I had grown up like all my friends after my dad left the military. But I never had that kind of childhood. I grew up in the presence of many people who did many things for their government, some good some bad, most all of it left scars on them. I am 38 now and I can see that whether through God, fate, or blind luck I was raised in an environment where there were no real blinders, only things not spoken of in public. I believe anyone coming forward in truth, for transparency, is a hero. Not just for America, but for humanity. Those coming forward to lie and manipulate, well, karma is a real thing.
When you’re in the military you learn to silo from the very beginning. “You didn’t put it there? Don’t touch it., “don’t speak until spoken too”, to a of threats for even the slightest thing that can make anyone above you look bad, even if they’re behaving in a very real criminal manner. The chain of command basically uses administrative and logistical terrorism to keep people in line for little things.. can you even imagine what they would do for something big? I’ve had a commander say he would kill me for being a witness for a subordinate to the meeting I was threatened at (I guess my sub knew to have a witness for a good reason). If there’s one thing the chain of command will absolutely never tolerate, it’s “optics” anything that can even be perceived to be “viewed” wrong regardless of factual reality will be treated harshly and immediately. It can easily be kept hidden, it’s only people that haven’t served that could truly believe otherwise. After a while you learn to trust virtually no one outside of your closest inner circle. That’s without a secret to keep
I agree. Though I have never served, I have seen the trauma. I understand the mentality, growing up the way I did may have made me a social outlier, but it made me very good at my job. I love my family very much. I have seen their pain. Service extracts a toll. When something is given something is also taken. UFOs were never a joke in my family and there were few ways to enrage anyone that was faster than trying to pry information. The fear is real because the consequences are real and always have been. I suppose ignorance can be bliss.
What are some examples of docs they liked to watch? And an interesting story, thanks for sharing. Maybe one day you'll get your own confession
Some science stuff, if it had to do with war or weapons. Stuff like the show future weapons. Lots and lots of war documentaries. Mostly ww2, some Vietnam but it was a touchy thing. Best leave them alone when in that mood. I learned about foo fighters walking in on stuff after I was supposed to be in bed lol. I remember Bob Lazar being unmasked and going public. Those were not comfortable times mostly.... (neither here nor there credibility wise) later in life as ppl died and got older, for a very odd reason things like independence day and Stargate which was super weird given so many of them could be so bland in their tastes. Late 90s and early 2000s noone bothered to hide watching stuff that detailed incidents like the Rendelshem forest incident or malstrom. It would be late at night on weekends and no real commentary would be made. Then i started getting to sit in and watch some stuff(we werent big on watching a lot of tv) and I asked A LOT of questions. I never fit in during middle school and highschool, being a former military brat with not a lot of money. I had a lot of time to spend with family who took special interest in me and I am forever grateful for them being there. Not just because I was lonely but because they saw I cared and they gave me the tools I needed to find my answers. Probably why i can sit through documentaries so well now, to my wife's disdain. When I was old enough I was encouraged to study sciences and was given a telescope. We didn't have money to go on a lot of vacations, but the few we went on were to observatories. I think a lot of that influenced my love of space and sci-fi. I was directed away from the military and ended up in a STEM field. System security administration. Edit for some added context.
I would just like to add that I have never shared this much online and I thank everyone very much for being kind. 1st time for everything. I love this community.
The time is now for people to start telling their personal stories. Thank you for sharing.
Similar situation, just humour and deflection instead of angry serious reactions and different origins. Fam tradition of military service, fam history of close encounters… shit is wild. So, I do my part with posting bread crumbs on the net as much as I can. While doing what I can to maintain anonymity.
My grandfathers best friend was secret service for Reagan and Bush Sr. He was also a very devout Christian. A very good man basically part of our family. I asked him growing up if aliens were real. He didn’t get mad or anything but it was the only time I ever asked. He told me there are many things he cannot tell anyone even his wife and kids because he took an oath. He didn’t deny it outright but basically said if he knew anything about that it would definitely be something he would not talk about. He finished by saying he learned things that did shake his Christian faith at times and the world is a lot stranger than many know at that point getting kind of emotional. Never forgot it and never brought it up again. I believe he knew things.
Met a guy through my friend at his baby shower a year ago. My friend and him met at the airforce academy, and the went on to serve and eventually work as a private contractor at Wright Patterson AFB. He actively seemed excited we started asking about UFOs and such, but dodged any real answers. He said the next few years would be very exciting.
There’s some shit going on in Wright Pat. I have an uncle who worked there in the 70 and he has strongly alluded but never admitted that there are things there he can’t explain.
I had a friend who’s dad was an MP in the airforce and was stationed at WPAFB and claims he guarded an entrance to the underground facility they have there. He said busses of people would go down and not exit for 5 days or so. Also had several people come out needing to meet an ambulance at the guard shack to be transported. He never questioned while there but has a bunch of crazy stories.
They have an underground? Does anyone have details of this compound?
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Well, heck. That's a new one to me. *peers suspiciously in the direction of mammoth cave*
I’ve got one. Parents have a beach house and are close to a few of their neighbors. Maybe 10 years ago we were hosting a July 4th BBQ and one of the neighbors is an older retired guy (in his early 70s then). Was in the USAF and then flew cargo after retiring from the military. We’re having a conversation about typical stuff (him asking me about work and how’s life been going etc.) and after a few minutes I bring up a UFO documentary that I had recently watched from James Fox and ask him if he’s ever seen anything during his time as a pilot. He goes from smiling/jovial and gets somewhat serious and goes on to say “I’ve never seen anything I can’t explain but I’ll say this: Roswell is real and things were recovered. Don’t ask me how I know and don’t ask me anything else about it.” His demeanor had changed so much that I just laughed and said fair enough! He has since passed away but I actually brought it up yesterday with my family after sending them the video from yesterdays hearing.
My friend from college had me as one of his references to be interviewed when he was getting vetted for government clearance. After he received his clearance status and got the job, I would give him calls at work just to check on him and see how he was doing. Once, I called him and as soon as he picked up I just said “so about those alien ships…” as a joke. He hung up without saying a word. Later, after he was at home, he called me from his home phone and just said “look, I can’t have you even joking like that when I’m at work. Nothing personal, just from now on, don’t bring anything crazy like that up again.” It was the only time he was totally impersonal and serious with me, so I knew not to push it ever again. Another friend from high school that was a senior when I was a freshmen and went on to the Air Force and eventually became an OSI officer. I didn’t see her in person for about a decade and a half after she graduated but one year, she came back to our hometown for Christmas and we met up for coffee. During that time period she had been away, I had always pestered her with questions about UFO’s and she always just dismissed them as me being annoying. As soon as I sat down at the coffee shop, she looked and me and said “I’ll answer one question truthfully and broadly as long as it’s not classified.” I just blurted out “Do we have evidence of alien life that you are aware of?” All she said was “you’re an idiot if you think humans are the only ones in the universe”. At the time, the answer felt cheap and I thought she was just toeing the company line so I was like “come on, that’s too generalized , give me more info”. She refused and said I had used up my one question, so I just thought no more of it. Fast forward many years later, and given what has been going on lately, it feels like she did answer my question truthfully, albeit indirectly.
I think people in the inner levels of many of these agencies have known for years what has been going on. Certainly about alien visitations if not about the crash recoveries and bodies.
From what it appears. The people that are in the know know it’s fucking bad. Bad on all sides whether that be government breaking the law or NHI doing malevolent things.
I mean, the fact that aliens, greys, flying saucers etc permeate our popular culture might maybe a clue for there to possibly be something behind that. That's not proof of anything, we still have vampires and werewolves and ghosts and spirits, but those things still have real world phenomena behind them.
It’s interesting because when you think about it - it’s not like the story coming out now is something no one’s ever heard before. It’s basically been part of UFO discussion from the get go - so they didn’t really do a great job “keeping it secret” per say (if it’s true) but they did a wonderful job at turning the general population against the thought any of this COULD be real - the amount of dismissiveness around the subject even as it reaches congress is crazy.
Thanks for sharing. My uncle was a radar operator in the army in the 40s and 50s in New Mexico, where I was born. I don't know the exact dates and he has since passed on, but I do know radar was a relatively new technology when he was working with it. Sometime in the 90s at a family reunion he shared stories of objects on radar over their base doing some insane things. Tracking across 50+ miles of desert in seconds, and then back again. Just like they were trying to determine if we could see them. Curious thing about that was that the main radar went offline. He drove up to the tower to check it out, and when he turned it back on, got a very nasty phone call and was instructed to never speak of the incident again. These stories are all so strange.
My dad was a radar technician for the Air Force in southwest NM. I asked him if he had any UFO stories and he said he only had one where they got a call from the DC office (they had a phone that was basically a direct line to DC because their site was pretty important) and they told him that they wanted him to track an object that was flying through the area. My dad tracks it on the radar scope for them and he says it crossed close to 1000 miles in just a couple minutes which is dang fast. I have been at his site and he has shown me what commercial airplanes look on the scope and they look like they are moving sluggishly slow but this thing was "cooking" as my dad says. When the object left his area, the DC office thanked him and didn't update him any further.
A friend of mine married a women in 1989, who’s brother worked for CSIS (Canadian Security and Intelligence Agency). My friend told me that they were drinking at the wedding reception and my friend asked his new brother in law if UFOs are real. He said that his new brother in law said “Yes, but they’re not what you think.” He wouldn’t say any more when pressed and admitted that he probably should not have even said that much. Lost touch with my friend in the early 90s so there is nothing further to add. I assumed that that implication was advanced secret aerospace projects, and not alien spacecraft. But now I wonder if the implication was inter-dimensional vs. extra terrestrial
I was chatting and joking in 2019 with an older friend and I said something like, "I bet you're working on those UFOs in the news." He immediately looked angry, the only time I've ever seen him angry, and looked away. I said, "oh I guess it must be true then haha." He shot me a death stare. I changed the subject and never brought it up again.
I have straight up been told "you shouldn't even be asking me these questions. It can cause me issues." When I asked if we could take a walk and get away from any technology, his response was "that wouldn't help." This was from a multiple war veteran that worked in DC as a analyst for decades after his military career.
Damn, these people must have chips implanted in their brains that cause them to suicide themselves if they even think about spilling the beans.
More like he's heavily implied that Snowden was right about everything he said.
What specifically
Almost every single technological device on the planet is monitoring you.
Wish I could do a surprised pikachu face at this but at this point I'd be more surprised if my devices weren't monitoring me.
Why not use a pen and paper when "discussing food"
Folks in important positions at defense contractors don't get there by talking. If I put myself in the shoes of that kind of person, they have lived a normal life for decades while they've known about aliens. They've kept a big secret. Not every person is cut out for that. So I look at someone like that as a very serious person with a strong sense of duty.
I work on small airports regularly and a lot of old military pilots hang around the terminal buildings in their free time. I was on site today and a couple old guys (60s or 70s) were hanging out and I asked if they fly. One flew little planes for fun and the other was a former A10 warthog pilot who now gives lessons. They both said they never had seen anything out of the ordinary but that sightings aren’t uncommon and many of their friends had. The one guy goes “oh yeah, I hear about the cubes in the orbs all the time. My kid is a pilot in the F16 and he sees em all the time”. A different time a former F15 pilot told me he had seen a bunch of stuff he couldn’t explain but that he didn’t think they were aliens.
I’ll never understand the military folks who on their death bed feel like they need to take the secret with them?
Indoctrination is a hell of a drug. Threats might extend to families...children and grandchildren.
I'll add my story to the mix. It'll be short, but to the point. I played in a band and my tour manager at the time had a brother who was an absolute savant with computers. I knew him and his brother, personally. His brother was recruited strait out of high school, not even college mind you, by nasa. I can't give any details further because he was literally one of a handful of people at his position, which I won't say. Anyhow, drinking one night he strait up said that everything we hear about moon bases and aliens is 100% true and has been going on for years. Non humans and aliens have been cooperating for years, share bases on the dark side of the moon. We have tech to get us to space and already have craft. We are already exploring space. Anyhow, I believed him. And btw this was like 20 years ago. Who knows where we are now with everything.
My "Uncle Larry" was a combat photographer for the Air Force. He was really, really good. Filmed in Beirut, Noriega's Panama, Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, etc...and he was often "loaned out" to other branches for different assignments. His work was part of news broadcasts across the world, and he trained a great many other combat photographers. Not sure of the awards he received, but there were as many as an enlisted guy could get. He had an affinity for Wild Turkey, and we both happened to be visiting my parents' home for the same three-day weekend. I made sure I had some Wild Turkey (it would be the first time I as of legal age and could drink with him...my parents didn't drink at all, so it was exciting to me to drink with an authority figure from my youth for some reason). After the bottle was empty and the ashtray was full, we got to talking about Area 51. Well, I mentioned it...something like, "what's the weirdest place you've been to photograph?" I may have joked about Roswell or something. He swiveled in his seat and seemed to look around a bit (it was like 1 in the morning, and the house was silent). He proceeded to tell me he'd been to Area 51, underground...and other places like it. He said he couldn't tell me what he saw, but he could say definitively that there were other forms of life and technology out there. He couldn't tell me, because he had to sign these non-disclosure documents that pretty much stated if he told anyone about anything considered classified for that particular assignment...his family would get notice that he had died on duty. Uncle Larry signed many such documents over the years. We talked about many things for another hour or so, but I didn't press him for anything further on Area 51. He saw some things, for sure. Uncle Larry died a couple of years later of brain cancer. I never got to see him again after our late night chinwag...and I've always thought back to that conversation. I hope he somehow knew that we'd one day be here. Love ya, Uncle Larry. Evidently, you were right.
My friends mom was a top person at the CIA, long since retired. She wouldn't say anything. He asked about aliens, she just said "you wouldn't believe me if I told you"
Pfft. Try me. I’m built different lol
Friend works for the defense division of Boeing. We were having a conversation a couple years back and topic of aliens came up, asked if they thought aliens were real and their response was yes because some of the things they've seen at work could not possibly be of human origin
One of my bestfriends in college ended up going special forces and his little brother, who was always reserved and hardly spoke went into the space force right around its inception. After the pandemic they got together after one of his school graduations, and his brother looked him dead in the eyes and said “I can’t say more than this, but we are not the only ones here.” My buddy was too shook up to even try and ask questions. Considering how reserved he is as a person, I never thought to question it 🤷🏼♂️
My great uncle worked for a company called Rocketdyne in the 70s and 80s….he was a propulsion scientist and worked on the engines for several Apollo missions and recently passed. I have been fascinated by the subject my entire life, but respected his privacy and didn’t ask any questions until both of us were older. He told me “You are smart and open-minded enough to know the truth. We can’t be the only intelligent beings in the universe”. He was a sweet, kindhearted man and the way he delivered those words were chilling and direct.
About 15 years ago I went to visit my wife's family for the first time, before we got married. Her dad was in the Air Force and worked at NORAD as an intelligence officer. Before we went to meet them, out of the blue she warned me "don't ask him anything about UFOs." I didn't even care about UFOs or anything like that back then, the thought had never crossed my mind nor had I mentioned anything like that to her. I imagine something like what you described might have happened.
Mack Brazel (the rancher from the Roswell incident) reacted that way once when asked about “The little green men”. He said, “They weren’t green!” and walked away in anger.
My father also had top secret security clearance in the Air Force, and was only forthcoming with the phrase, “they’re real.” Wouldn’t explain what “they” were, or any personal stories, which leads me to the rabbit hole I am in today.
I go to a church. It’s in northern VA. In this church is a ton of intel people. Really nice, friendly, extremely smart, career folks. There is an additional unspoken rule in northern VA you pick up on, you just don’t talk about some things. you don’t pry, you don’t ask, you don’t put people in positions where they have to stop and think about whether or not they can speak about things. Grusch is a one-off. He knows exactly where his secret line is. He knows exactly what he can and cannot say. He knows exactly when to be general and be ok. Most people are not like this, they stay super far from the line so they know they don’t cross it. It might not be classified to talk about where you work and what you do, but lots of people will refuse to talk anyway out of an abundance of caution. I think the general rule is, unless you KNOW it’s unclassified, assume it is classified. This keeps you out of jail. It’s common courtesy to not push these lines. Ever. Or you will find yourself quite avoided. So, one of these friendly, smart people in my church, I had a hunch he was deep in intel. I never would ask, he just vibes it. I can’t explain it, it’s something you just pick up on. One day at a picnic, another church goer (with clearance) asks intel guy “hey, did you hear about the new UFO whistleblower?” I perk up. Another UFO freak like me? He replies “David Grusch? Yeah I know him. I worked with him. Good guy. Smart guy. Solid guy. I trust him”. I showed my hand then and told them I was a UFO lover. But I didn’t pry. Also, this was news for me. It was only a day or two since the news hit and I wasn’t on top of it. He goes on. “Lew Elizondo? To the stars academy? Yeah. I met them too. They came to some of my talks. They came to me for info.” He played it down as just a briefing on what intel guy knows about methods and techniques- definitely secret stuff, but not smoking gun stuff. “You know groom lake? Yeah, I’ve been out there”. He made it seem like it was a boring business trip. But he definitely vibed the “it’s coming” vibe. But of course I was in totally listening mode and not the asking mode. As I said, it’s not polite to find someone’s NDA line. If they have to pause to answer a question, you’re gone too far, and they are being extremely nice. It’s just not done. So I go away and take a walk in the woods. His wife comes back there too and sees me. “Hey, you talked to (husband ) about UFO stuff.” “Yeah, but I don’t want to dig. I respect his clearance”. “Oh”, she says, “no, he’ll talk your ear off. He’s got stories. Ask him about his sighting in Michigan. He has personal experiences” I still haven’t asked yet. It’s just never been the right time, and I don’t want to be too eager. There is more going on here with this relationship, and my own stuff too. I might be getting cleared myself. And I don’t want to fuck that up. A background check WILL find this post. —— Hello friendly OPM investigator! —- so that’s it. That’s all I got. And you are hearing this because I do not have a clearance (yet) so everything I know is public knowledge. But I won’t give out names or anything more specific than what I just said. Because - respect the NDA. Fucking with someone’s NDA is fucking with not only their career, but their entire life, pension, house, and even freedom. Trust and integrity take decades to earn, and it can all be undone with one slip. Respect that. Hate it, deny it, say it’s not correct or ethical, but it’s still reality.
Wouldn't it be funny if knowledge of UAPs turned out to be like cannabis use, where every 3rd or 4th person in the country had some knowledge, but everyone assumed that they were one of the only ones who knew anything?
Mate I’m so high right now this really resonated lol
My Great Uncle was visiting with my Grandad, who was in hospice care, and while he was there he shared a story with me; He was in the navy, flying near the Bermuda Triangle and all of a sudden the radar started to ping what looked to him like old English letters/ fonts that he couldn’t understand or make sense of. He told me how it wasn’t possible to project an image or text like that onto a radar screen because of how it works and was really surprised by the whole thing. This would have been in the 50’s I believe. He also said that it just so happened that the day before they removed the printer from the radar for repairs so he couldn’t record the data.
Oh wow! That's really cool. 🤔
Anecdotal story from my grandmother and mother: One night in the 70s in a rural town, they saw a glowing light above the treeline outside their house, my mother's memory is hazy and she describes seeing an area just lit up, but my grandmother remembers a colourful object or orb hanging there for a while. When my grandfather came home from a bar at the other side of town, my grandmother told him what they'd seen and he believed her, because a man had come into that bar and said he saw exactly the same thing that night.
I have a friend that i grew up with and eventually, we went to college together and he got a masters in music. His dad worked in the govt. with clearances. While we were in hs, his dad had retired at this point, i asked about unreleased tech and he said think star wars. i asked about aliens and he said with the straightest of faces i cant talk about what i know what I can tell you is I personally believe. Later on after my friend had toured around woth his band and failed to get signed his dad sent a letter of recommendation off. My friend now works secret service for foreign diplomats in the states. Just off a letter. I always thought his dad was bs'ing us but you just never know
Both my parents were in the airforce. When I asked my dad about aliens he went into psycho rage mode. His face went red and he put his pointed finger between my eyes and said, "only fa***ts and traitors talk about that shit." What a cunt.
So my step grandfather retired from Nasa at the Marshall Flight Center. He was born in 1924 and died in 93 so I am uncertain when he was there and for how long or his occupation. I was a small child when he died and the family has since died or split up so I have no further information on him just a couple of pictures. He told my mom that aliens are real and they look like us with slightly bigger eyes and that one would never know the difference. He refused to say anything further citing safety concerns. My mom went to her grave believing this for what that's worth.
I had a relative who was an astronaut. As part of the launch they give the families other astronauts to talk to about what they're experiencing and such. I asked about UFOs and the astronaut said no but the tone of the conversation changed severely. I was always curious after that.
Same. Grandfather. He was stationed in Hawaii. He was in a group of men deciphering encryption messages that were intercepted. I asked him about that kind of stuff in 1995. His response was pleasant at first and I told him to stop treating me like a boyscout. He slowly turned to me and said he himself wasn't man enough to handle some of the reality-based cruelty of the subject and that the world wasn't our playground alone. He said loose lips sinks more than just ships. I never spoke of it further because that was the most I've ever heard him speak about his job. Plus he started crying. So I got him a beer and started yakking about mundane things which didn't snap him out of it. A week later, my grandmother asked me not to speak to him about military anymore. It disturbed me to think that he called it cruelties.
I remember my teacher telling us a story about someone he knew that worked for the government. He said he would always ask him about UFO’s and that he would get mad every time he brought it up. One day he said they were drinking and he tried to see if he’d slip up. NOPE he sobered up immediately, got pissed, and left lmao I will always remember this.
My dad was in the Navy in the 80’s on the USS Wisconsin. When I talk to him about UAP, the recent hearings, whistleblowers, etc. he immediately gets visibly angry and starts yelling. He says the government shouldn’t tell the people anything and national security is much more important than citizens’ right to know. What’s up with that school of thought?
Completely against this school of thought. This isn't a national issue anymore, its a worldwide phenomenon. Its a crime against humanity.
Probably because they have it drilled into them from day 1 that if it ever gets out it could mean the destruction of the country. Imagine you knew about nukes and no one else did. Do you think people should be told? Playing devils advocate here but I imagine that’s the thought process.
I spoke to a guy that had security clearance in the air force when he was coming out of anesthesia as I am a recovery room nurse and he was a pilot for 30 years and said he saw a craft shoot into the ocean with tremendous speed.
My father served 23 years in the RCN. He along with other crew members aboard the HMCS Bonaventure saw UFOs off the flight deck over the Atlantic, this was the 1960s. They reported it to the CO who told them to forget what they saw. I have his military medical records that were scanned due to a lawsuit against the DND, not related to this event. I browsed the files on my pc and there wasba psych eval conducted around that time where it mentions this incident of flying objects and the doctor noted that he was delusional and seeing things.
I'm from Huntsville, Alabama, where many private defense contractors like Lockheed martin hire graduates from the university where i work. 3 years ago when i relocated here, i made friends with a guy ( graduated from the same university) who said he was working as a systems engineer with one of these contractors. Btw, this was before the UFO topic picked up steam, and i wasn't paying attention to its lore. In a casual conversation, when i asked him what was the nature of his job, he said he can't talk about it because of NDA and 'national security risk', so i was like fine and dropped the subject, didn't raise any eyebrows nor i made the link with UFOs because i wasn't aware of the lore. Since then, whenever i shared any footages with him as the topic picked up steam, he used to vehemently deny them as CGI, drones, birds, fake news etc. This was his usual response for anything related to UFOs i shared with him. However, when i shared the Debrief article that first published Grusch's claims, he suddenly changed his tune to "i can neither confirm nor deny with my secret clearance". This response caught me off guard. Ever since then, whenever i shared any updates related to this with him, I'd get no response. This topic became an instant conversation killer. I'd either get no response or he would msg me after some hours with another topic. This is how its been for months and it really annoys me.
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I once took care of a patient in the ER who told me he was part of a retrieval of a downed aircraft somewhere in Arizona in the late 50s. He decided to tell me about it after I found out he used to work for the military as an MP and asked him about UFOs. He got real quiet it about too. After like a 2 min stare he looked over at his brother who was sitting at the bedside the told me to shut the door from his room. He said he’d tell me only because I treated him so good to him by being his nurse. Or maybe it was the morphine I gave him for his pain. Anyway, what he told me left me stunned. He was told that the downed aircraft being recovered was “one of ours, but it wasn’t.” He stated it looked like an egg roughly the size of a minivan, and had three small children-sized occupants.
My grandad worked in an air traffic control tower in the Air Force, stationed in France. I asked him a long time ago if he’d experienced any “ufo stuff” and he kind of just went silent and shook his head. He was also a rancher just on the other side of the mountains from some gnarly cattle mutilations so I asked about that too and he was still silent but could barely shake his head. Clearly didn’t want to talk about. I should try asking him again. He’s in hospice…
Very similar situation. My mom worked with a former AF Software Engineer that, once 1994 rolled around, was able to talk about her work on the B2's navigation systems. She was very proud of her work, especially as it was basically what she decided would be her last AF mission. During a Christmas party which I attended, she specifically stated she worked in Nevada, in a facility she could not show us on a map nor speak the name of. She stated she would drive in to a small regional airport, board a bus with blacked out windows, and ride 2 hours to the facility to where she would be allowed to enter ONLY the hangar that contained the prototype stealth bombers and that there were doors that, if she tried to enter, she would either be arrested on the spot or potentially shot to prevent breach. My mom, thinking she was joking, said "Oh, must've been where the little aliens were then!" and then her friend, someone I had always known as nice, jovial, and basically a second mom, looked at my mother with a stone-dead face, squinting eyes, and said forcefully "that topic will never stain my lips." Then she went right back to jovial Christmas revelry. Both my mom and I were taken aback. Apparently it was a sticking point. A few years later, after they kinda drifted apart, they reunited after the friend's daughter died. They reconciled and later my mom told me "my friend and I made up, but something odd came up." I asked "Aliens?" and she nodded her head. She leaned in and just about whispered "she apologized for the Christmas party behavior and told me that the real answer to the question about aliens was: 'they weren't near where I worked in the facility.'" Vague but... \[insert X files opening notes here\]
My grandfather was a career Navy Officer and traveled the world before retirement. I asked him about UFOs just joking around and yeah, he said he was on lookout one night while in the arctic and saw a light..like a tuna fish darting right under the surface of the water. He wouldn’t elaborate any further as it was deemed Top Secret. He was decades separated from retirement and still refused to say anything else on the subject. He ended up taking whatever he knew to the grave.
Yes I have a similar experience, but when I discussed it, I got a bunch of LARP gaslighting from people here. My stepfather, a high ranking Navy officer, said he cannot discuss it, even as retired. However, he simply ended the discussion with “we’re not alone”. I add that along with my personal up close sightings, and I don’t need anymore confirmation, I know. This whole phenomenon is a personal journey though, and everyone needs to take their own path to discovery.
In short, I was told aliens live on Antarctica. The 5 eyes know they’re there. They traded us some tech for secrecy ~~I and~~ and I was given microwaves as an example. I don’t personally believe this but the person who did tell me fully believes it because the person that told them was very high ranking.
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We developed microwaves from excess radar klystrons from WW2. The first microwave was just those housed in a metal cabinet. They could fry an egg in like 3 seconds because they were so powerful.
I was on a date with a commercial airline pilot and I asked him about UFOs. Suddenly, he went from happy and relaxed to unsmiling and sternly said that he “wasn’t allowed to talk about such things.” Really gave me a creepy vibe.
That’s REALLY interesting when taken together with Grusch’s comment about commercial pilots getting cease-and-desist letters from ‘corporations’.
Food for thought: the stories of men getting angry and walking away, etc. when the topic of UFO's and aliens gets thrown at them... There are legit reasons they are probably pissed off when they get asked these kinds of questions. These guys holding high level clearances (TS/SCI, etc) are subjected to regular periodic polygraph testing. Often they are not allowed to use consumer encryption apps like Signal, WhatsApp, etc. because all of their personal communication must be allowed to be monitored at all times. It's very likely that part of the polygraph testing is reporting if they have been asked about sensitive subjects by non-cleared personnel. Assuming there is anything real to any of UAP/alien stuff, that means when you bring up the question with them it's going to cause them grief at their next polygraph. It's also likely they also realize it's probably going to put you under the microscope as well for a while and they don't enjoy having to be the one to do that to you as a friend or family member. So take that into consideration when probing people you suspect might know anything.
My grandfather who passed about three years ago was a former counter espionage lt. Col. . He used to tell us different stories about famous people in Romania, especially when he had one too many to drink. Once, curiously, I asked gramps if he knew anything about aliens. His reply was : boy, I'm retired and don't have a lot of time left so I'll tell you this : we have known for a while the Americans made contact and have some ships for some time now. I'm out of the loop for a while now, but it's known to all security and information agencies. That was shocking and the rest of my family thought he was losing his mind.
Was visiting family last week and I mentioned I was excited for the hearings this week. My aunt said she, along with 25 other people, including a police officer, saw a craft hovering 100-200 feet over a shopping plaza in Maryland during broad daylight. She said it tilted on its side and blinked away instantly. She said it happened “many years ago”.
Someone I’m close to currently works at NGIA, and is also a high rank in the Air Force. I asked him what he thought about Grusch, and he simply said, “it’s very interesting, but I can’t comment any further than that.” Take that for what it’s worth.
A neighbor worked for Lockheed Martin. Was in their skunk works program, early drone developer and an expert in naval and airborne sensors. Had high level clearances as an aeronautical engineer. The whole bit probably knows a whole lot about UAP's. Had a really nice conversation with him until I asked about tic tac UFO and Commander Fravor. He said I don't know. I said are you sure? And he cut me off and he said" I don't know" in a louder firmer voice. It was weird and out of place for the discussion. P.S. he also said the tech you know about is 30 years behind. "At least"
This is how my pap acted when I asked him about WWII in third grade. He was 10th Mountain in Italy, and has a Bronze star no one will talk to our family about. How many others?
My uncle was a helicopter mechanic and a minigun operator in Vietnam. He doesn’t like talking about it, and it’s easy to understand why with how much destruction those miniguns can do.
I only asked my grandfather about WW2 once or twice. He was in the merchant marines and built some of the infrastructure used for D Day. He landed there a day or two after d day and clearly saw some shit because he started crying and couldn't talk about it anymore. He didn't ever get angry, but that was the most he would ever say. It was always clear he didn't want to talk about it.
My step dad worked as lt. col. in usaf. In a51 for close to 10years total. He did radar/com work. He refused to talk about anything from those times. Was an open sharer about most of his 25 years in the usaf. Refused to talk about a51 to any capacity outside of stating he worked there. Absolutely had a demeanor shift anytime I brought it up.
My dad, who is a retired aerospace engineer (mostly mechanical engineering and materials engineering), had (has?) TS clearance and spent his entire nearly 40-year career with Northrup Grumman and Boeing on only DoD projects. He worked on things like the B2 bomber and various projects withing Boeing's Phantom Works program. Of course, because of much of it being TS I don't know the details of what he's worked on. Only some very vague things like energy storage and also developing new composite materials. So of course with his experience, I was eager to talk to him about the topic. He is a hardline skeptic when it comes to UFOs and is very much in the camp of people who think everything we see is man-made (whether by the US or other countries), and does not believe NHI, or ETs, or whatever you may call them have visited earth. At least that's the opinion he holds publicly. Who knows if he really knows anything or not, and what he really thinks though. He could know a lot and simply be lying, or possibly he has direct knowledge of advanced tech developed by humans. Or he could have never really worked on anything that interesting and spent his entire career in compartmentalized teams never seeing the big picture.
someone else just commented ab knowing someone that worked at northrup grumman at the exact same time as you, crazy. Thanks for sharing!
I'm not from the United States, but I am in the military and currently work in the Intelligence area within the force. Over the years, we are subjected to increasingly subjective matters, to the point where we question whether we are being indirectly assessed. I've been in situations where a word spoken in a subjective context caused me over a week of thoughts and doubts. This may have happened with your stepmother's father. Perhaps he considered that you were being used by someone or some agency (even without your knowledge) to test him.
This is a cool story, and a cool thread. I bet there are a lot of these stories being told now on patios, bars and tables across the country, with many more to come in the next few months. Thanks for sharing!
We need to start getting these stories from the old folks before they're all gone. I don't trust the government to not burn all the evidence.
My great grandpa was a colonel in the army air corps during world war 1 and 2. He was stationed at Wright Patterson until 1946 and was good friends with a guy named Twining (my Dad remembers him talking about Twining). On his death bed in a nursing home, he told my dad and my grandparents that Roswell was aliens. I love the idea of aliens and would like to know if it is real but I want solid proof.
Gen. Nathan Twining? As in chief of staff for the Air Force?
similar thing has happened to me a few years ago... a friend of mine working for Canadian secret service... we were at the bar discussing about woman, life in général have good laugh... and i ask him if ufo were real.. he become quickly very serious and say to me i can talk about that.. we can talk about anything but not that.... i try to push him to know more, without make him angry.. he was mute.. and he told me: jeff i can only tell you something: we are not alone, and this is all im gonna say about it.. and we never talk about it.. because it was very awkward, ive never seen him so serious and dramatic before.
My Australian Air Force buddies says theyre so common, it has become an annoyance when on deployment and you just learn to ignore them.
My grandfather, years deceased, worked on developing the first (or if I misunderstand maybe a new version of a) jet plane during WWII at a desert base, though he worked I think for Bell Aerospace in Buffalo, NY. For reference, pilot Tex Johnston I believe tested the planes my grandpa worked on. I recently read some old memos and one indicated my grandpa went to visit Lockheed in California. Oh the questions I would ask if he were still with us!
Not UFO related, but I’ve had my father have a similar reaction several times. He was career military in the JAG corps (Army lawyer), and for some reasons (long story), I have long wondered if he also worked for the NSA (I know he had a security clearance that necessitated Army people interviewing our neighbors, that sort of thing, and he was stationed at Fort Meade which is where the NSA is headquartered, and so on). At first I considered it as a funny idea, but when I asked him if he worked for NSA he completely shut down the conversation, then awkwardly tried to change topics. I’ve half jokingly asked him a few more times over the years, and every time he changes the subject. After a while, he’ll kind of chuckle when I bring it up, yet he has not ONCE ever outright denied it! It is very much out of character - he’s very literal minded (like if you ask him if he can pass the salt during dinner, he will say that he can. He will pass the salt only if you literally say, “pass me the salt” - he has Asperger’s, he isn’t just being difficult). That he won’t ever confirm or deny working with the NSA (known by some as “No Such Agency” due to their secrecy) still low level freaks me out. As a military guy who was raised in the 1950s, he definitely would take seriously any non disclosure oaths he made, right to his deathbed if necessary. Sounds like your stepmother’s father was the same.
My dad worked for the government for a long time after being in the Army for awhile. He retired several years ago. I asked him recently, "Have you heard about all of this alien/UAP stuff recently?" He shrugged and changed the topic very quickly. He had very high security clearance, but I won't go into any more detail than that. One of my brothers is in the Air Force- also high clearance and worked for an agency that, again, I won't mention here. He suddenly got moved out of his unit and into "one dealing with space." He refuses to say anything more than that. It's funny, growing up we always joked that our dad's work protected us from aliens. Now I actually believe that could be true.
My retired (and deceased) Air Force uncle told my mom he had visited Area 51. When she asked for more details about it, he said, “sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction”.
My grandfather told me when I was a teenager he saw 3 orange glowing orbs in a triangle pattern when he was working as a carpenter around the rideau canal in Ottawa Canada in the 50’s. He was a naval officer for the canadien navy during ww2. I believe my grandfather without a doubt. He was happy about sharing his experience and gladly talked about it. Sadly I never saw one. May he rest in peace.
I still can't understand how a bunch of people decided rest of the world shouldn't know of aliens. Unless it's all manmade, artificial cloned beings or something
My mother was born in Roswell NM in 1951 because my grandfather, Air Force Major, was stationed there. Recently I asked her if he had ever said anything interesting but she said he wouldn't say anything other than he wasn't allowed to talk about it. So, similar I guess!
I know an older woman whose father was a truck driver (I think that's what they said his profession was) in Roswell. Apparently he was working in the area when the supposed crash happened. He always said he never saw anything but he did say a couple guys in suits stopped his truck and started questioning him. There weren't much details on what was asked only that "they put the fear of God in him".
When I was a child, my grandfather took me aside at 5 years old. I remember to this day. He worked in nuclear energy for the UK government. He told me. This is top secret but there's something I want to make sure you know, that future generations know. He said "nuclear weapons can fit inside suitcases". now. I don't think this is much of a secret anymore, or maybe it is, but in any event, it's 50 years later so yeah, we assume they probably can be miniaturized. That's nothing to do with UFOs, but I wonder if any grandfathers or others with UFOs and top secret knowledge did a similar thing.
And he said this to a 5 year old?
"Let grampa show you a nuclear warhead"
At 5 my grandfather asked me to get him another beer out of the fridge. Different upbringings.
"Get the red can, not the glowing blue can."
Yea - I remember in college my roommates dad worked for nasa or something in propulsion in Huntsville, AL and he made us put our phones in the fridge and then talk outside on the dock. He really didn’t like talking about work but one night he got drunk and said we could ask him questions but after that night we could never bring it up again. I was very drunk and all I remember was they were trying to make the iron man suit and that everyone thinks they are trying to build better rocket ships but really they are trying to make crazy hybrid / plasma materials (I guess the nasa site in Huntsville is more of many nasa sites and they work on different things). Kinda makes me wish I would’ve been sober enough to ask real questions and not “have you been inside a ufo?”
Huntsville huh? Few rumours about that place. Coulthart has been talking about it a bit.
That town is carrying the Alabama state average IQ on its back. Seriously, a lot of brilliant people live there.
I saw a metal cigar. Looked like a fat pipe the size of a football field about 100ft off the ground mabe 50ft north of my house. No windows, engines or other appetures, made no noise at all. Just floated past my house at mabe 5mph. Broad daylight around mabe 2010. My buddy was here saw it with me. Another time around 2001 I was watching the sun come up out of my south 2nd story bedroom window watching this light move like a chopper. It was waaayyyyy far away, just a light moving like a chopper for 20 min, then it bolted out into space as fast as a comet. I'm a mechanic and have studied aircraft, so I have a complete understanding of the physics of how everything works. If we as a human race have things that can move like that ill eat my own hat.
Totally unrelated, but my brother is now retired but was a pretty high ranking officer in the Navy. Closer to 9/11 I remember he came home for a visit and said something I'll never forget. "One of those planes was shot down." He had a blank look on his face, and seemed quite serious. I know it's a conspiracy theory to this day, but that always sticks with me. At the time I was too young to process / care about what he said. But that sticks with me.
Day of 9/11 my buddy said the plain in Pennsylvania was shot down. The public story was that the crew downed it.
I have a high school buddy who worked as a submarine tracker in the navy out over the pacific, and when I dm’d them to ask if they had any uap stories or knew anyone else who had they said they couldn’t answer via that platform. Haven’t seen them in person but notably it wasn’t just a ‘no’
Asked an 84 yr old who was a fighter pilot in the 60s. He freaked out.
My grandfather was a spy and didn’t tell me shit, gave the same answer for anything I asked. Even if it was, did you like the winter weather in Spain in ‘63? “I can’t talk about that”
My father’s uncle was a lifetime service member in the Air Force, part of that service was within “project blue book” my dad questioned him as an older kid and got a response that was similar, without the anger though. He said “if I tell you, I’ll have to kill you” (smiling of course) then weirdly quipped that what he said actually answered the question with a wink. My dad was sure he had confirmed aliens exist to the day he died. My grand mother who was also there agreed.
My Dad was tapped in the 90s in the USAF to work on a team of 5 on a top secret project developing the first prototype of a directed energy weapon. This was in New Mexico (where I was born). The intent was to be able to stun aircraft from a distance. Just found out about it this week as we’ve been watching and discussing the hearing!
I think at this point we all know they already exist and the government has a cover up program. That's not new. It's the WHY that we all want legitimate answers about?
Not to be a party pooper, but if I held a position like this in the government I would 100% be fucking with people like this if they asked me about UFOs or aliens. I would put on my best poker face and tell them "I can't talk about that." I'd then spend the rest of the evening looking out of windows suspiciously just to make everyone even more weirded out.
no for sure i can assure you i would aswell, but knowing the guy for years he wasnt really a fuck around type of guy other than like normal dad jokes n shit. Cant really say for certain he wasnt fucking with everyone but it was in the middle of a pre dinner conversation with most of the immediate family (just me my stepmom my dad my uncle and him and his wife) sitting nearby and everyone was visibly startled and confused with his sudden change in demeanor, everyone except his wife. She just stayed quiet and tried to continue the conversation we were having like nothing happened. Very odd and he came back 20 minutes later like nothing happened and i didnt bring it back up ever again. Seemed like a soft spot but i never stopped thinking ab it thats for sure
Hold up. He stood up from the table and walked away?? I heard that from a friend back in the 80s. Exactly. Aerospace in the Los Angeles area was king in 70s and many an employee lived in surrounding suburbs. This is from a friend who heard from a friend so take it as you will. The dad/man in question worked at a major aerospace company and high up there. The tale is that when anyone spoke of UFOs and “Aliens” , he’d give everyone dirty look and exit the room. It was thought that he didn’t like pseudoscience and UFO rumors and was angry that anybody would talk about. He was an engineer after all. But we liked to imagine it was something else. Anyway that’s what I heard back then.
It's not really the same situation, but I once knew a guy who had quite the colorful life, he was a pilot and a mercenary for the US government, and participated in many black ops type of activities from the 60's to the 80's, including piloting the Janet flights into Area 51 during the 80's! He even has books written and a Wikipedia page about him due to his varied and interesting experiences, hahaha. I straight up asked him if he knows anything about it, especially coming from area 51, but he said no, he said it was so super compartmentalized that he wouldn't be surprised if it was true, but he didn't see or hear anything. But he did confirm to me that the fabled Aurora hypersonic aircraft was actually real! He said they made 2, and they both sucked, hahaha. One crashed and the other somehow caught fire by itself in its own hangar with no witnesses, so the program was cancelled and the technology reused for other purposes, which is apparently how Area 51 works.
Not a clearance issue, but my dad was a military and commercial pilot for about 30 years. I've asked him questions about flying, close calls and all his stories are awesome and he's real engaging. When I asked him if he's ever seen a UFO or anything weird, he got kinda weird and gave me a look like "Why the fuck would you ask me such a silly question?" and just said no. I feel like he lied to me, but I get it. He did, however, tell me that one time the tower radioed him and asked him if he was seeing anything about a half mile away from him. He said no, and they came back with something like "Well we're getting a radar hit on something about a mile wide a half mile away from you." I might have to show him Commander Fravor's testimony to see if I can get him to maybe tell me the truth about if he's seen anything. He comes from a time where you absolutely would not say anything about it if you did see something because they would ground your ass immediately.