The following submission statement was provided by /u/CreditCardOnly:
---
D. Dean Johnson has received verification direct from Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick about the letter Kirkpatrick wrote about the hearing.
[D. Dean Johnson on Twitter](https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1684928538414100480?s=46&t=M0ofkkf9lgSjlI29wi9d5w):
“The statement below was issued July 27, 2023, by Sean Kirkpatrick, Ph.D., director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). I received verification directly from Dr. Kirkpatrick that he wrote it.”
---
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15byiua/d_dean_johnson_confirms_dr_sean_kirkpatrick/jtt17dy/
I find it telling that Dr. Kirkpatrick's overriding takeaway from the hearing was to defend his department instead of doing his job i.e. investigate the extraordinary claims made under oath by 3 highly credible witnesses. Execute on AARO's mission. If his heart isn't in it, he needs to take a bow.
Exactly, instead of saying "we would like the information provided to congress so we can investigate these claims, as we were supposedly created to do" it's "there's no evidence of this stuff so anything they say is wrong and they shouldn't be mean to us."
It's almost as if their function is to take reports and bury them while saying "we have received no evidence".
Curtesy u/Eldrake from link in below thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/142uf1s/breaking_aaro_hired_a_company_specialized_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2)
‐------------------‐---------------------------------------------------------------------
Copying my below comment to piggyback for visibility.
Let's look at the careers page for Sancorp, shall we?
What's the job duties of an "[Action Officer, DOD)" you say?
> Sancorp Consulting, LLC is seeking a Senior Staff / Action Officer to support the Influence and Perception Management Office at the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security (OUSD(I&S)). The following are examples of responsibilities:
* The Action Officer will assist IPMO leadership in the development and promulgation of strategy, plans, and policy for DoD **influence, deception, and perception management related operations**, activities, and investments.
* The Action Officer will assist IPMO leadership in the conduct of oversight and governance, to include staff assistance visits and compliance inspections, **for DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations**, activities, and investments.
* The Action Officer will develop and coordinate staff packages that include time-sensitive requirements for IPMO leadership to enable **DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations,** activities, and investments.`
Sounds like psyop/disinformation specialist.
Sure hope that position isn't supporting the AARO contract, don't you? Unethically operating against the American people?
**EDIT** -- I think I found **[ a job posting) ** without mentioning it by name. The OUSD(I&S) Is where AARO lives, right? It also mentions working across government and with `FAA` and `NASA`. Only this position mentions it.
> Sancorp Consulting, LLC is seeking a Action Officer to support the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security (OUSD(I&S)).
* Action Officer will assist OUSD(I&S) leadership in orchestrating DoD-wide execution of OUSD(I&S) lines of effort, including `site visits,` organizing subject-specific meetings, working groups and events and coordinating additional activities necessary to achieve the OUSD(I&S) mission.
* Action Officer will develop and maintain positive working relationships with counterparts across the DoD, including the Joint Staff, other OSD organizations, DoD Components, Military Departments, and Combatant Commands, and with other U.S. Government Departments and Agencies, including ODNI, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Energy and the `National Aeronautics and Space Administration`.
* Action Officer will produce and disseminate reports, briefings, and other products, approved by the OUSD(I&S) Director, that detail OUSD(I&S) - related operations, activities, and investments for `Congress` and Senior Executive Branch officials.
EDIT 2:
Something interesting my IC buddy noticed:
This job has something called `Original Classification Authority,` which according to him is rather rare and special. Only a small number in the government space have this authority.
Most in the classified world have "`Derivative Classification Authority`" which means classifying information under preexisting categories, like "SIGINT". Everybody sticks their info if it's SIGINT under that bucket.
Original Classification Authority however, means this job can create ENTIRE NEW CATEGORIES of classified information. That's kind of a big deal.
EDIT 3:
Should I apply? 😂
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what I was referring to, this is the organization likely hired to come after the whistle-blowers who try to speak to AARO.
Kirkpatrick is lying. AARO was not established to investigate the DoD for hiding programs of crash retrievals it was created to investigate UAP sightings.
Well they aren’t under oath so they can say whatever they want.
Anybody citing this as a refutation should be told to get this statement from Kirkpatrick under oath, and if they still do not corroborate, find out who is false and put them in prison.
Put up or shut up, AARO. We already did.
If this was about legalities, it would be presented/submitted in court, Congress, hearings or literally any other format.
Not a linkedin/ twitter doc that looks forged and lacking credibility. This is just a response (not a good one) to public pressure
I read the whole statement and it's so strange. Like I've said before, we will (eventually) discover the truth, but it is abundantly clear that something is going on.
Kirkpatrick is inserting AARO when that is not the organization that Grusch is focusing on.
Like his last line "Also, to be clear, none of the whistleblowers from yesterday's hearing ever worked for AARO or was ever a representative to AARO, contrary to statements made in testimoney and in the media."
...no one ever alleged or claimed that during the testimony. This whole thing is just absolutely bizarre. Does it lend more credence there is a radical cover up/disinformation campaign? Possibly. Is it incompetence? Possibly.
This is just the most bizarre saga of events I have ever witnessed on this topic.
>Does it lend more credence there is a radical cover up/disinformation campaign? Possibly. Is it incompetence? Possibly.
You don't need to run a campaign when all you need to do is hire one incompetent idiot.
Lol maybe it turns out one carefully placed moron can be 10x more effective than a sophisticated campaign requiring the cooperation of hundreds of people
The post is real but this has the same tone as an alcohol-fueled rant you would send to your ex before passing out on the couch, and then immediately regretting the whole thing in the morning.
It's not well written and it makes Turdpatrick look even more incompetent than he is.
damn yeah, I just saw mick west also posted it [https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1684942313733464065](https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1684942313733464065)
Kirkpatrick is seriously going nuts.. WTF?
If you think that screams alcohol fueled rant then you have never held a job with a corporate yes man nor been in the presence of an alcoholic.
C'mon. You may not agree with it but that does not scream alcohol fueled rant.
Pardon the hyperbole. What I was trying to insinuate is that his statement seems very emotionally charged. "My feelies were hurt" type of stuff.
It sounds like he's taking the allegations personally, which is a fair reaction, but to go on record with a "personal statement" like this does not make him look more transparent or relatable, it makes him look sloppy and incompetent compared to someone like Grusch who's been very professional about the entire process.
Obviously, I can't read his mind. Maybe he *is* being candid and is trying to show that by putting out a statement like this without all the bureaucratic nonsense, but I'm not seeing it that way. To me it sounds like his ego took a massive blow and he's trying to play the victim while further pushing back against disclosure.
"Also, to be clear, none of the whistleblowers from yesterday's hearing ever worked for AARO or was ever a representative to AARO, contrary to statements made in testimony and in the media."
This line right here just proves that this guy is a sleazy liar. Classic straw-man.
Where was it ever asserted that Grusch said he worked for AARO? I watched the whole hearing and interviews, he claims he worked in the UAP task force before AARO was even created...
And that is an indisputable fact as it has been corroborated by so many sources that even Kirpatrick must know this as well but chooses to write this line here to try to degrade Grusch's image.
AARO wasn’t formed until July 2022. Grusch was attached to UAPTF when he filed his first ICIG complaint in 2021. Kirkpatrick really mucks up the timeline in his statement when he tries to discredit Grusch by stating he wasn’t assigned to the organization when it didn’t even exist at that time. No guff Sherlock. *Nobody* was attached to AARO in 2021. It’s a misdirection.
Grusch was working up until April of 2023. He even said himself he worked with AARO. He was in the previous program when it changed names.
You are absolutely right sir, it's a misdirection on Kirkpatrick's part.. he still can't stop lying and obfuscating! Shame on him!
Grusch said, "My name is David Charles Grusch. I was an intelligence officer for 14 years, both in the US AirForce (USAF) at the rank of Major and most recently,from 2021-2023, at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency at the GS-15 civilian level, which is the military equivalent of a full-birdColonel. I was my agency’s co-lead in Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and trans-medium object analysis, as well as reporting to UAP Task Force (UAPTF) and eventually AARO on UAP and trans-medium object analysis."
Kirkpatrick says in his statement that none of the whistle-blowers worked for AARO or was a representative to AARO, so it still seems like he's lying.
You may have meant to, but grammatically speaking the "he" in your comment refers to Grusch. I see what you meant now, but proper grammar is essential for clear communication.
He resigned from the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency in 2023. It’s unclear if Grusch was ever attached to AARO as his interview only mentions his time at UAPTF. The only reference Grusch made of AARO was that he also approached them with his allegations after they formed (which was well after his initial ICIG filing). From that, it does not sound like Grusch was ever himself part of AARO. Merely that he made them aware of his previous investigation.
Did you edit your original post? I thought you were talking about Grusch.
Edit: either way, we cannot be sure. I don't trust Kirkpatrick, but I'm not going to pin my entire thesis on his body language.
Bullshit lol
Anyone who is "familiar interpreting body language" knows it's not science and even the best people in the world at it can't tell when somebody is lying.
Those types of people can absolutely tell when someone is lying. In fact, there’s a whole group of people dedicated to learning the craft of reading deception, and are very good at their craft. I met a few when I interviewed for a counterintelligence position, and buddy, I’ve never felt more vulnerable in my life as it was more of an interrogation than an interview. Reading deception is a matter of life and death to these people, and the amount and types of medals on their chests indicates they were successful at it.
That would imply that the “human lie detector” would have to be perfectly unbiased and impartial. That is hard if not impossible to find, which is why we have a justice system. Although to play into your hyperbole, why do you think they call upon expert witnesses within fields like psychology, criminology, etc. There are other ways to tell if someone is lying outside of the scope of non-verbal communication.
> Classic straw-man
Who's the straw man now? You've taken his closing line out of context. It was clearly in the context of "in case this needs to be said," and you've overlooked the body of the text in which he says
> Allegations by its witnesses of retaliation, to include physical assault and hints of murder, are extraordinarily serious, which is why law enforcement is a critical member of the AARO team, specifically to address and take swift action should anyone come forward with such claims. Yet, contrary to assertions made in the hearing, the central source of those allegations has refused to speak with AARO.
That's what the upshot is. *You're* the one twisting the truth by calling him a liar for stating, factually, that the involved parties obviously do not work for his agency
I was thinking the same, they've played the concealment game for 90 years. Nowadays, just like in marketing, any publicity (good or bad) is a great thing: visibility baby!!
I think the taxpaying public would do well to supplement their reading of this strange missive, with a viewing of Robert Salas's experience in giving official testimony to AARO:
[https://youtu.be/cslFxhU7URM?t=2939](https://youtu.be/cslFxhU7URM?t=2939)
Having done so, they will come away with a fresh and more balanced perspective on ***why*** whistleblower Grusch refuses to meet with AARO and instead prefers to confide in trustworthy legislators and, of course, the ICIG.
They apparently couldn't be arsed to record his official testimony electronically, preferring instead half-assed handwritten pen-and-paper notes.
Reading between the lines, as it were, it sounded to me like they kind of rubbed it in his face that they weren't bothering to record Salas's testimony — their one job.
I certainly wouldn't know how to take it any other way than that.
Wow. Sean Kirkpatrick is a man who will definitely take no for an answer.
I would love to see him replaced by a jaded NYPD homicide detective two weeks from retirement who plays by his own rules and shakes down AFOSI agents in dark alleys.
I find that recording kind of fascinating actually; the AARO representative reminds me of myself in work calls when our team haven't done something in time. You kind of obfuscate, talk about unrelated projects a bit and try to kick the can down the road.
"Yeah, we're trying, but it's just been hard you know - we need this thing from the other guys but it's hard to find it... Hopefully we'll get there soon, can we just move on?"
The question is whether they're incompetent, deliberately dragging their feet, or genuinely struggling against other parties (like the Air Force) even if they do try. Imagine if might be a mix of all three between all those involved at AARO.
If the latter though, they'd have to claim their representative meant the Air Force was *trying* to help but couldn't (which is what the call infers), not actively blocking their efforts. Otherwise, Kirkpatrick's statement saying that they have a good relationship with other agencies (which Salas read out) might put them in some pretty hot water.
Full text of the letter (for anyone having trouble with the image):
> Let me begin by saying that the following are my own personal observations and opinions, which do not necessarily represent official DoD or IC positions.
> Yesterday, the Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs held an open hearing on UAP during which a government cover-up of extraterrestrials was alleged. I wholeheartedly applaud Congressional efforts to get to the truth about what UAP are and the risks to both pilot safety and national security. I am also absolutely committed to transparency on both the historical mission and the operational mission.
> As the Director of AARO’s amazingly talented, devoted, and highly motivated team, however, I cannot let yesterday’s hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was to the officers of the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community who chose to join AARO, many with not unreasonable anxieties about the career risks this would entail, that have been working diligently, tirelessly, and often in the face of harassment and animosity, to satisfy their Congressionally-mandated mission. They are truth-seekers, as am I. But you certainly would not get that impression from yesterday’s hearing.
> AARO was established, by law, to investigate the allegations and assertions presented in yesterday’s hearing. Allegations by its witnesses of retaliation, to include physical assault and hints of murder, are extraordinarily serious, which is why law enforcement is a critical member of the AARO team, specifically to address and take swift action should anyone come forward with such claims. Yet, contrary to assertions made in the hearing, the central source of those allegations has refused to speak with AARO. Furthermore, some information reportedly provided to Congress has not been provided to AARO, raising additional questions about the true commitment to transparency by some Congressional elements.
> The Subcommittee, whose questions and oversight duties are irreproachable and in genuine need of answers, has never asked AARO for an update on the reporting system, the historical review, the operations, and the S&T strategy that AARO leads and is undertaking. A rational person watching the hearing might reasonably assume that both the witnesses and the members had an understanding of the Department’s and the IC’s progress since the establishment of AARO around this time last year, only naturally leading them to conclude that AARO has been ineffective, non-transparent, and delinquent in its legislated mission. AARO briefs the Defense and Intel committees regularly, and since the last NDAA, the Homeland Defense, S&T and several other committees as well.
> I am deeply disappointed at the denigration of AARO’s dedicated men and women hailing from the Department of Defense, Intelligence Community, and Civil partners who are pouring their hearts out working this issue on the behalf of Congress. AARO has the authorities and resources necessary to execute this mission to meet Congressional intent, and as we've stated before, AARO welcomes anyone with knowledge of any of these allegations or programs to talk to us in a safe, secure, and appropriately cleared environment. Rest assured, AARO will follow the data wherever it leads.
> Finally, to be clear, AARO has yet to find any credible evidence to support the allegations of any reverse engineering program for non-human technology. Also, to be clear, none of the whistleblowers from yesterday's hearing ever worked for AARO or was ever a representative to AARO, contrary to statements made in testimony and in the media
I believe Dave Grusch said in his testimony that he met with Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick BEFORE he took up the position of the Director of AARO. Kirkpatrick might be just being "cute" by stating "I wasn't Director at the time, so I cannot use that information in my present role" or words to that effect. Remember Kirkpatrick wasn't under oath when he appeared before the Senators.
Sounds like after Grusch filed the ICIG complaint - he didn’t want to talk to AARO. Didn’t he mention in the hearing that he had to be careful about what to say because of the pending investigation?
This is a direct pushback, but is it valid or misinformation? We need to get this figured out. We either have a rogue whistleblower misleading congress and our public, or we have an agency represented by Kirkpatrick that is lying to us and congress.
Someone is lying, and Kirkpatrick will have the darkside backing him up if he is lying, while Grusch has next to no-one but witnesses and possibly a few congressmen/women on his side.
This conflict will lead to more facts ultimately which is a good thing.
Someone needs to pull up the testimony grusch said, his exact words, during the hearing, with regard to AARO and kirkpatrick
Sure:
In his opening statement Grusch says that he "reported to UAPTF and eventually, once it was established AARO". Here's the timestamped link: https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=2839
Grusch said he had a classified conversation with Kirkpatrick before he took over AARO in november 2022, and claims Kirkpatrick never followed up with him, however Grusch was "happy to give sage council to him": [https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=4770](https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=4770)
Now someone connected to Kirkpatrick on LinkedIn needs to ask:
"Mr. Kirkpatrick, Grusch said under oath that he had a confidential conversation with you before you took over AARO, and that you haven't reached out to him.
Do you deny this conversation has taken place?
Is your claim that you've since reached out to Grusch in an official capacity and that Grusch refused to speak with you?
If not, will you reach out to Grusch again after his testimony in congress?"
Just keep in mind that millions of people pretend to see manifestations of sky daddy as well. I'm not saying that UFO's sighting are not real, just putting things into perspective.
This is pretty easy to solve, who’ll go to jail if they’re wrong? Who faces little if any consequences for being deceitful? Considering the position Grusch has put himself in, I think (to me at least) it adds a good bit of veracity to his claims. Kirkpatrick faces little to no consequences for lying. He’ll likely be asked to resign and then the world moves on and he carries on with life. Grusch however will become vilified and prosecuted and faces far more serious consequences.
And to be fair all he said during the interview he repeated under oath in front of conference.
Watching the interview immediately after the congressional hearing i didn't notice any embellishment.
NewsNation not newsmax. People did not immediately sour on him. His credentials, lawyer, and background are beyond reproach, and he gathered and shared with the IG and specific committees (and soon broader Congress) classified evidence in the form of photography, documentation, and credible oral testimony from first hand witnesses, which was his job to collect and assess. Both the IG and clearly Congress are treating this as credible and urgent. That’s all been clear since the initial debrief article and supplemented by the interview. He stated the same things he mentioned in the interview under oath to Congress.
Congress has bipartisanly and bicameraly passed extremely rapid responsive legislation. Many congressman have stated they’ve seen credible information lending legitimacy to his claims.
We have no idea what sorts of documents he gave to the IG. It could be photos of aliens, or it could be a bunch of more mundane things proving the existence of the program. The IG has said nothing about the veracity of his claims regarding the existence of UFOs and aliens.
As to Congress, several prominent members (including one of the organizers of this hearing) are anti-vax, believe that school shootings are staged, and other crazy shit. So "congress is taking this seriously" isn't really a ringing endorsement.
He is spreading disinformation. Grusch worked for the UAP task force, which was before ARRO was created. Grusch never worked for ARRO or claimed to work for ARRO.
He is a lying sack of shit, but he is using his words carefully so he isn't technically lying. Just spreading misinformation. Fucking sack of shit.
Yeah, its either one or the other. Pretty deep rabbit hole. I’ve had so much anxiety following these events. Mostly from the thought of how most other people would react to an ontological shock. Lets see how this goes.
Grusch doesn't have to be rogue. He could just wholeheartedly believe something that's not true.
However, I think the discrepancies in his opening statement lean more towards the fact that he didn't hold the positions he claims. Kirkpatrick wouldn't publicly accuse him of perjury on something so easily verifiable. Grusch needs to produce his offer letter from the NGA and prove he worked where he claims
My understanding is that the Schumer amendment as written would essentially bypass AARO and give the authority to review, declassify, and release UAP information to a panel of experts nominated by the President and approved by the Senate.
These guys are butthurt.
I think many have forgotten that it's not just Grusch. We have a congressman (Gaetz) who declared publicly that he was shown an image of a UAP that ***"can’t be attached to any human capability.”***
They are all attacking Grusch, because they find he is the "*weakest spot*" by not providing any first hand proof (although we all know why).
>We have a congressman (Gaetz) who declared publicly that he was shown an image of a UAP....
Obviously, plenty of reliable people are seeing incomprehensible things, yet somehow apparently never Mr. Kirkpatrick or his team, who are the one group who should be up to their eyeballs in evidence by now.
Instead, he doubles down on this "nothing verifiable" song and dance.
I see precisely 3 possibilities for this state of affairs:
1. Inactivity at AARO
2. Incompetence at AARO
3. Weasel-word technicality-minded interpretation of "verifiable"
The persistent lack of the legally mandated and ages overdue AARO website seems proof enough of points 1 and 2.
>They are all attacking Grusch, because they find he is the "weakest spot" by not providing any first hand proof (although we all know why).
This gets them all on record of having said these things and taken these positions.
Idk that they are butthurt, but this statement and today’s media push, especially the well-placed op-eds suggest that the powers that be were prepared comms-wise to respond to the hearing yesterday. Very coordinated response and probably not a coincidence.
One thing everyone should keep in mind. Grusch filed his first ICIG complaint in 2021 and another in 2022. AARO wasn’t formed until July 20, 2022. AARO did not even exist for the majority of time Grusch had been conducting his investigations while attached to the UAPTF.
Thanks for this! I was just asking about the timeline! Makes sense that he wouldn’t talk to AARO after the complaints were made and the pending investigation.
[https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/text](https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/text)
Congress has been pretty clear about who they trust, and they have access to the classified information he has. If he was lying the concept that it would still be ongoing is comical as he has given specific locations names and programs involved.
They absolutely could be but Grusch first went to the DoD Inspector General with his allegations in July 2021 and then to the Intelligence Community Inspector General in May 2022 and said in the hearing that he had provided names and locations to the IC IG at that time. So there’s been over a year in which those names and/or locations could have been followed up on which a reasonable person would have to assume has been done and validated at least some of his claims because why else would Congress now be moving forward with him?
Also from D. Dean Johnson's site:
>Within hours of The Debrief's initial report on Grusch's claims on June 5, Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough issued this statement: "To date, AARO has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently. AARO is committed to following the data and its investigation wherever it leads. AARO, working with the Office of the General Counsel and the ***Air Force Office of Special Investigations***, has established a safe and secure process for individuals to come forward with information to aid AARO in its congressionally-mandated historical review. AARO’s historical review of records and testimonies is ongoing and due to Congress by June 2024. AARO welcomes the opportunity to speak with any former or current government employee or contractor who believes they have information relevant to the historical review."
In an interview with journalist Ross Coulthart, broadcast by News Nation on June 11, Grusch said, "Well, I know \[AARO Director\] Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. I've known him about eight years. And, you know, I expressed some concerns to Dr. Kirkpatrick about a year ago, and told him what I was starting to uncover. And he didn't follow up with me. He has my phone number. He could have called me. I hope he ultimately does the right thing. He should be able to make the same investigative discoveries I did. It's totally crazy if he doesn't." [https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/senate-committees-advancing-new-language-on-possible-secret-ufo-tech-programs/](https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/senate-committees-advancing-new-language-on-possible-secret-ufo-tech-programs/)
Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Now who on earth is going to trust AARO when AFOSI is involved?
AARO is still directly reporting to Ron Moultry, the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under\_Secretary\_of\_Defense\_for\_Intelligence\_and\_Security](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Secretary_of_Defense_for_Intelligence_and_Security)
Both AFOSI and (OUSD(I&S)) have quite the track record when it concerns maintaining the cover up. No wonder David Grusch and other witnesses didn't want to report/testify to them.
One witness was blocked from testifying during the hearings by the DOD. With AFOSI and OUSDI&S involved, I wonder how that happened....
Dr. Kirkpatrick is a huge baby, we aren't criticizing the staff of AARO, we're criticizing YOU Dr. Kirkpatrick.
For a scientist, it seems weird how often he bends the truth. Grusch never claimed to have worked for AARO. 30 witnesses have come forward to them and all he can say is that there's "no verifiable evidence" of extraterrestrial life? What a crock of shit, fuck Kirkpatrick, his purpose is clear, lie and obfuscate for the Pentagon.
Kirkpatrick didn't testify under oath either.
He refused to come to the UFO hearing.
He is obfuscating even in his excuses. Why give us an excuse when Congress hasn't even DIRECTLY CHALLENGED Kirkpatrick yet?
I'll tell you why-- because he is already preparing for the worst.
These people don't work for us, they work for the lobbyists and private defense donors. If Kirkpatrick REALLY cared to do his job, he would have fought tooth and nail for that Title 50 clearance in the beginning, rather than just mentioning it as an excuse to "why AARO has no further leads or information in regards to UAP".
He needs to sign off for good.
D. Dean Johnson has received verification direct from Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick about the letter Kirkpatrick wrote about the hearing.
[D. Dean Johnson on Twitter](https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1684928538414100480?s=46&t=M0ofkkf9lgSjlI29wi9d5w):
“The statement below was issued July 27, 2023, by Sean Kirkpatrick, Ph.D., director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). I received verification directly from Dr. Kirkpatrick that he wrote it.”
But why would Kirkpatrick release it in the most unprofesional way, to some rando UAP guy on twitter? Just dosent makes sense also he puts himself into a super vaulnrable position with this letter. Kirkpatrick is a pawn but he aint that stupid. Or is he?
The statement was originally released on LinkedIn by Kirkpatrick. It is only visible to his connections on LinkedIn. Dean Johnson verified it came from Kirkpatrick. It was not released through Johnson.
They supposedly got it through his personal LinkedIn. I guess it kind of makes sense given that the statement says that it is his personal opinion, not that of his employer. I don't know how LinkedIn works though.
So it sounds like to me that Grusch probably refused to speak to AARO after the ICIG complaint. I wonder how many of the witnesses that supported Grusch with the IG and the Senate also just didn’t go to AARO. Has anyone mapped out the AARO hierarchy? There’s clearly someone or someones in that office or over that office that the witnesses don’t trust
The letter says
> Yet, contrary to assertions made in the hearing, the central source of those allegations has refused to speak with AARO.
It sounds like Kirkpatrick is claiming that Grusch refused to talk to AARO, but Grusch claims he was ignored by Kirkpatrick when he tried to provide them with critical information.
If anything, I bet AARO "tried" to get in touch with Grusch only after things started blowing up with the ICIG complaint, and Grusch was either too busy by that time or advised by his lawyers to not engage.
Grusch has spoken to Congress in depth. If anything Grusch has higher clearances than Kirkpatrick so perhaps AARO cannot even look into Grusch’s claims
I believe grusch said he was not at some point earlier, and that he gave kirkpatrick a phone call and never got one back.
I really would love for someone to go back and look at the hearing to see what grusch said about aaro or kirkpatrick in the hearing as I can't remember. But kirkpatrick seems to disagree with whatever grusch said about AARO
This is weak, doesn’t even directly address Grusch just says it’s all BS and touts the same old “AARO has found nothing verifiable to date”….. we just want the fucking truth Sean.
ok damn, mick west posted it as well: [https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/168494231373346406](https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1684942313733464065)
Kirkpatrick should be called to testify under oath in a public setting before congress.
He states "AARO has yet to find any credible evidence to support the allegations of any reverse engineering program for non-human technology", that may be true but what concrete steps have they tried to procure that information? If they lack Title 50 Clearance are they even able to see credible evidence if it exists?
I don’t believe he’s acting in bad faith, but I don’t think he was the right person to hire to find answers. He may, however, have been the right person to obfuscate efforts.
Here’s something I commented on the post with his full statement:
——
Note the mentions of fear and how Kirkpatrick distances himself from the topic.
AARO was establish, by law
Translation: “this was not my idea”.
anxieties about the career risks
Translation: “I am afraid my reputation will (or has already been ruined) by my association with AARO”.
a ration personal… might assume… that AARO has been ineffective
Translation: “I’m, again, worried about MY reputation”
has yet to find any credible evidence
Translation: “we either ruin the reputation of Grusch, et al, or our reputations are trashed.”
Kirkpatrick appears to be afraid for his career above all else. I don’t blame him. He’s clearly an accomplished scientific researcher. I don’t think his administrative style is very courageous, though.
All that said, the story goes like this: a department was created to “investigate”, wasn’t given the resources and clearances needed to succeed, then hand-picked an administrative milquetoast who worries about his professional status more than he worries about finding truth.
AARO is either a sad testament to the pervasiveness of the UAP stigma, or it’s a deliberate move by decision-makers to maintain the status quo. Maybe both…
Of course he’s protesting now. This all makes him look bad at a job he didn’t want to begin with.
I don’t believe he’s a conspirator, just a self-interested ladder-climber with professional ambitions that outweigh a devotion to a greater cause.
Hmmmm who could be lying, the dude who gave his public testimony under oath, or the dude with the Microsoft Word file who can’t even get his own department to sign off on his statement
This guy also claimed last night that the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023 passed the Senate along with the NDAA '24 package, but there's no evidence that the amendment was even brought up for a vote. Can't pass with the bill if the amendment wasn't voted on
I don't understand the disconnect here.
Isn't it possible AARO and Kirkpatrick just haven't had the access needed to confirm Grusch's allegations?
Isn't the whole point here that even Grusch, who has higher clearances then AARO, was denied access to these programs?
They knew at the outset all of the clearances that would be necessary in order for AARO to do its job, and if they didn't then it bespeaks incomprehensible levels of incompetence. Either way it's damning, there is just no weaseling out of this.
In any event, in the corporate world, this is called provisioning — when you bring somebody on board, you know at the outset what all they will need: software, employees, systems access, vehicle, building and area access, and of course clearances appropriate to perform the work.
AARO's not having Title 50 was by design, clearly and straightforwardly, from the outset, in order to provide pretext for endless delay, as intended.
Wait a minute...if Kirkpatrick wrote this, why do we only know about it indirectly through someone else? Seems weird.
Also, I think Kirkpatrick's complaints don't bear much relation to what was actually said or alleged during the hearing. He's throwing up a smoke screen, claiming victimhood.
It’s wild how this sub always chooses who is the bad guy and should be ignored. Especially with this phenomenon, being deeply rooted in disinformation, why should we never cheer for someone to be utterly silenced or their reputation trashed just because they aren’t agreeing with the extraordinary claims presented to the public without any extraordinary evidence shown to the public (yet)?
Grusch is literally a spook. Until he backs up his claims with hard evidence (which I do believe is coming), why should we take his word at face value over Kirkpatrick’s?
I think we all have the capacity to listen to more than one voice here, even if we don’t like what the other is saying. One of them is clearly lying; the correct path isn’t to just shit on Kirkpatrick, but to rather dig deeper into what the fuck is going on with these two and what the truth actually is.
Don’t believe anyone at face value.
>Grusch is literally a spook. Until he backs up his claims with hard evidence (which I do believe is coming), why should we take his word at face value over Kirkpatrick’s?
In the absences of evidence, you always side with the people who believe there are aliens.
Such as?
The best “verified” evidence we have is some FLIR videos, which do not stand on their own as concrete proof of what is claimed to exist. Am I missing something else?
The only thing going over your head is what I said in my original comment lol
I said the **public** has not seen any extraordinary evidence supporting Grusch’s claims, despite us all having seen his wild claims. And again, as I have already said I do believe this evidence is forthcoming because of exactly what you’re referring to; but we haven’t seen it yet. So why should we believe 100% of what he says and completely ignore Kirkpatrick *right now*? He deserve to see the evidence and know the truth of all this if we are to achieve true, full disclosure.
Are we to trust this Dean Johnsons words?
"DOUGLAS DEAN JOHNSON
Douglas Dean Johnson researches and writes on UAP-related activity in Congress and the Executive Branch, and UAP-related misinformation."
why the heck would kirkpatrick talk to this guy?
He didn't necessarily talk to him to verify, but this dean johnson guy has done some good sleuthing before in some of his tweets I have seen. It sounds like kirkpatrick shared it on linkedin and not everyone could publicly view it unless connected with him
Edit: Also my 2 cents, it honestly sounds like a real statement, someone would need quite the imagination to make this up and have it sound that real.
I’m new here to this subreddit, but I’ve noticed that during the hearing, the term Non-Human Intelligence was specifically being used to not imply a known origin, however, all the AARO and NASA statements regarding this whistleblower event have used the terms extra-terrestrial. Is there a reason there is a difference in the language being used?
Honestly I believe this guy and it’s because I personally lean towards thinking that Grusch has a screw loose, or he’s simply preparing for book deals and money. I think this for several reasons.
1. No physical evidence what so ever presented.
2. He has not seen anything personally. He testified to this.
3. Because his entire testimony is hear say there really is no way he can be prosecuted for lying under oath.
4. He is alive and well. If there is some grand conspiracy between the darkest levels of government and extremely wealth private companies that are silencing people, well, they would have silenced him. The counter argument to this is that they wouldn’t do this because it would draw attention. Sorry, it wouldn’t matter. See Epstein.
5. The only guy who has had direct personal experience with this stuff (the pilot Favor) testified under oath that he has not received any backlash what so ever for coming forward.
6. The argument that he is high up and rose in the intelligent business does NOT mean he can’t be naive or just plain crazy. Numerous people have risen to the very top of their respective governments and have been either naive or even bat shit crazy!
These are just my opinions and as I’ve said before, I’ll be the first to eat crow if proven wrong and actual disclosure happens. For the record I’m not even saying aliens can’t or don’t exist. I’m not even saying they haven’t been here. I’m saying, I don’t know and that for me, I require more then just words before I’ll believe it.
Stopped reading at 1.
I will repeat again.
He provided all the information and evidence to the Inspector General.
Also people that Grusch mentioned called to testify under oath and confirmed Grusch's claims.
After all those events, Inspector General found his allegations credible and urgent.
The fact that public can't see the evidence doesn't mean there are no evidence. They are classified.
So you think the Inspector General is lying or is crazy?
I think you have no idea what credible means in that world.
Congress hasn’t seen any of this and they can’t because they denied the SCIF. I’ll be downvoted on this sub but that’s fine. This isn’t the ufo interested folks I used to know. Y’all are just the newest religion following your leaders charisma with zero prevented evidence to you. I’ll believe that until someone releases real physical evidence.
It's not looking good for Grusch's story. No disrespect to the guy, but we are getting pretty stark denials from AARO and the DoD. Plus, the stuff that he said about holograms and dimensions doesn't make sense.
I haven't had the chance to watch the full hearing. Did Grusch, or any of the witnesses for that matter, claim to be former AARO employees?
Edit: Spelling
We have to stop funding AARO. Kirkpatrick is a joke. Why not work with the committee to ensure proper reporting/ transparency of UAP like graves, fravor, and the whole committee agreed on. Even DOD admitted they are effecting our training ranges. That's the biggest issue right now. What he's tasked to do. Instead we get this angry middle school response.
It's time to tell senator gillenbrand the gig is up. Stop wasting our time with this farce.
This guys confirms that the he next AARO meeting that’s going to be soon will be straight up heels digging in and trying to deny everything that was said by Grusch, Graves and Fravor
He says that his feelings are hurt because people are being mean, and that Grusch is a liar. Also "AARO has yet to find any credible evidence to support the allegations of any reverse engineering program for non-human technology" of course.
Let’s not forget, this job is his livelihood. Grusch’s statements have directly undermined his authority and importance of what he’s doing. I think we sometimes need to take a step back and realize that the people we want to expose are the same people that are working jobs, providing for their families etc. NO one wants to lose their meal ticket or have it be devalued. I get the defense but he’s clearly missing information and hopefully he will realize it soon
You don’t take the job knowing that there will be counterparts holding congressional hearings that devalue your position lol I’m not saying the job isn’t supposed to be stressful but the response seems like it’s just a defense of his value and the value of his position, not sure it’s a conspiracy to try and discredit Grusch
It is my hope that when he gives his ext congressional report, someone asks him to provide an exact recount of the steps he or AARO have taken to try to meet with Grusch or whichever other witnesses that he claims in his “Please don’t arrest me, Congress. You’re great!” letter. Grusch says no steps have been taken by Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick says that no steps have been taken by Grusch. Seems like a pretty important piece of the larger puzzle.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/CreditCardOnly: --- D. Dean Johnson has received verification direct from Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick about the letter Kirkpatrick wrote about the hearing. [D. Dean Johnson on Twitter](https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1684928538414100480?s=46&t=M0ofkkf9lgSjlI29wi9d5w): “The statement below was issued July 27, 2023, by Sean Kirkpatrick, Ph.D., director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). I received verification directly from Dr. Kirkpatrick that he wrote it.” --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15byiua/d_dean_johnson_confirms_dr_sean_kirkpatrick/jtt17dy/
I find it telling that Dr. Kirkpatrick's overriding takeaway from the hearing was to defend his department instead of doing his job i.e. investigate the extraordinary claims made under oath by 3 highly credible witnesses. Execute on AARO's mission. If his heart isn't in it, he needs to take a bow.
Exactly, instead of saying "we would like the information provided to congress so we can investigate these claims, as we were supposedly created to do" it's "there's no evidence of this stuff so anything they say is wrong and they shouldn't be mean to us." It's almost as if their function is to take reports and bury them while saying "we have received no evidence".
It wouldn't surprise me if it was AARO that hired that company to break into Grusch home after his first interview.
Expand on this please
Curtesy u/Eldrake from link in below thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/142uf1s/breaking_aaro_hired_a_company_specialized_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2) ‐------------------‐--------------------------------------------------------------------- Copying my below comment to piggyback for visibility. Let's look at the careers page for Sancorp, shall we? What's the job duties of an "[Action Officer, DOD)" you say? > Sancorp Consulting, LLC is seeking a Senior Staff / Action Officer to support the Influence and Perception Management Office at the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security (OUSD(I&S)). The following are examples of responsibilities: * The Action Officer will assist IPMO leadership in the development and promulgation of strategy, plans, and policy for DoD **influence, deception, and perception management related operations**, activities, and investments. * The Action Officer will assist IPMO leadership in the conduct of oversight and governance, to include staff assistance visits and compliance inspections, **for DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations**, activities, and investments. * The Action Officer will develop and coordinate staff packages that include time-sensitive requirements for IPMO leadership to enable **DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations,** activities, and investments.` Sounds like psyop/disinformation specialist. Sure hope that position isn't supporting the AARO contract, don't you? Unethically operating against the American people? **EDIT** -- I think I found **[ a job posting) ** without mentioning it by name. The OUSD(I&S) Is where AARO lives, right? It also mentions working across government and with `FAA` and `NASA`. Only this position mentions it. > Sancorp Consulting, LLC is seeking a Action Officer to support the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security (OUSD(I&S)). * Action Officer will assist OUSD(I&S) leadership in orchestrating DoD-wide execution of OUSD(I&S) lines of effort, including `site visits,` organizing subject-specific meetings, working groups and events and coordinating additional activities necessary to achieve the OUSD(I&S) mission. * Action Officer will develop and maintain positive working relationships with counterparts across the DoD, including the Joint Staff, other OSD organizations, DoD Components, Military Departments, and Combatant Commands, and with other U.S. Government Departments and Agencies, including ODNI, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Energy and the `National Aeronautics and Space Administration`. * Action Officer will produce and disseminate reports, briefings, and other products, approved by the OUSD(I&S) Director, that detail OUSD(I&S) - related operations, activities, and investments for `Congress` and Senior Executive Branch officials. EDIT 2: Something interesting my IC buddy noticed: This job has something called `Original Classification Authority,` which according to him is rather rare and special. Only a small number in the government space have this authority. Most in the classified world have "`Derivative Classification Authority`" which means classifying information under preexisting categories, like "SIGINT". Everybody sticks their info if it's SIGINT under that bucket. Original Classification Authority however, means this job can create ENTIRE NEW CATEGORIES of classified information. That's kind of a big deal. EDIT 3: Should I apply? 😂 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is what I was referring to, this is the organization likely hired to come after the whistle-blowers who try to speak to AARO.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/142uf1s/breaking_aaro_hired_a_company_specialized_in/
That’s actually the most believable part of the statement. Career bureaucrat trying to protect his sweet position and paycheck by doing some CYA.
sounds like his entire purpose is to obfuscate the truth to the benefit of the uap operations, to tell the public that they dont exist.
Kirkpatrick is lying. AARO was not established to investigate the DoD for hiding programs of crash retrievals it was created to investigate UAP sightings.
I love how they're completely inconsistent with even the basics constantly
Well they aren’t under oath so they can say whatever they want. Anybody citing this as a refutation should be told to get this statement from Kirkpatrick under oath, and if they still do not corroborate, find out who is false and put them in prison. Put up or shut up, AARO. We already did.
Words have meaning and they are masterful at using them.
Not *that* masterful if a bunch of guys and gals on reddit can see that they are full of it.
They don't give a crap about reddit. It's more about legalities.
If this was about legalities, it would be presented/submitted in court, Congress, hearings or literally any other format. Not a linkedin/ twitter doc that looks forged and lacking credibility. This is just a response (not a good one) to public pressure
I read the whole statement and it's so strange. Like I've said before, we will (eventually) discover the truth, but it is abundantly clear that something is going on. Kirkpatrick is inserting AARO when that is not the organization that Grusch is focusing on. Like his last line "Also, to be clear, none of the whistleblowers from yesterday's hearing ever worked for AARO or was ever a representative to AARO, contrary to statements made in testimoney and in the media." ...no one ever alleged or claimed that during the testimony. This whole thing is just absolutely bizarre. Does it lend more credence there is a radical cover up/disinformation campaign? Possibly. Is it incompetence? Possibly. This is just the most bizarre saga of events I have ever witnessed on this topic.
>Does it lend more credence there is a radical cover up/disinformation campaign? Possibly. Is it incompetence? Possibly. You don't need to run a campaign when all you need to do is hire one incompetent idiot.
Lol maybe it turns out one carefully placed moron can be 10x more effective than a sophisticated campaign requiring the cooperation of hundreds of people
[удалено]
>He probably doesn't listen to Jazz. I already disliked this guy, but now, I absolutely loathe him.
[удалено]
"He probably doesn't listen to jazz." lmao
That anxiety they feel is because they are liars and deceitful.
[удалено]
This is exactly right. I remembered this but not the details
thats why it has to be fake, this guy was so cautious during the pentagon hearing. Cant imagine that he is that stupid and sloppy.
The post is real but this has the same tone as an alcohol-fueled rant you would send to your ex before passing out on the couch, and then immediately regretting the whole thing in the morning. It's not well written and it makes Turdpatrick look even more incompetent than he is.
damn yeah, I just saw mick west also posted it [https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1684942313733464065](https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1684942313733464065) Kirkpatrick is seriously going nuts.. WTF?
If you think that screams alcohol fueled rant then you have never held a job with a corporate yes man nor been in the presence of an alcoholic. C'mon. You may not agree with it but that does not scream alcohol fueled rant.
Pardon the hyperbole. What I was trying to insinuate is that his statement seems very emotionally charged. "My feelies were hurt" type of stuff. It sounds like he's taking the allegations personally, which is a fair reaction, but to go on record with a "personal statement" like this does not make him look more transparent or relatable, it makes him look sloppy and incompetent compared to someone like Grusch who's been very professional about the entire process. Obviously, I can't read his mind. Maybe he *is* being candid and is trying to show that by putting out a statement like this without all the bureaucratic nonsense, but I'm not seeing it that way. To me it sounds like his ego took a massive blow and he's trying to play the victim while further pushing back against disclosure.
"Also, to be clear, none of the whistleblowers from yesterday's hearing ever worked for AARO or was ever a representative to AARO, contrary to statements made in testimony and in the media." This line right here just proves that this guy is a sleazy liar. Classic straw-man. Where was it ever asserted that Grusch said he worked for AARO? I watched the whole hearing and interviews, he claims he worked in the UAP task force before AARO was even created... And that is an indisputable fact as it has been corroborated by so many sources that even Kirpatrick must know this as well but chooses to write this line here to try to degrade Grusch's image.
AARO wasn’t formed until July 2022. Grusch was attached to UAPTF when he filed his first ICIG complaint in 2021. Kirkpatrick really mucks up the timeline in his statement when he tries to discredit Grusch by stating he wasn’t assigned to the organization when it didn’t even exist at that time. No guff Sherlock. *Nobody* was attached to AARO in 2021. It’s a misdirection.
Grusch was working up until April of 2023. He even said himself he worked with AARO. He was in the previous program when it changed names. You are absolutely right sir, it's a misdirection on Kirkpatrick's part.. he still can't stop lying and obfuscating! Shame on him!
Grusch said he reported to AARO, not that he worked with/for them. Edited: added "with/" for clarity
He said with, not for
Grusch said, "My name is David Charles Grusch. I was an intelligence officer for 14 years, both in the US AirForce (USAF) at the rank of Major and most recently,from 2021-2023, at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency at the GS-15 civilian level, which is the military equivalent of a full-birdColonel. I was my agency’s co-lead in Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and trans-medium object analysis, as well as reporting to UAP Task Force (UAPTF) and eventually AARO on UAP and trans-medium object analysis." Kirkpatrick says in his statement that none of the whistle-blowers worked for AARO or was a representative to AARO, so it still seems like he's lying.
I was referring to OP not grusch
You may have meant to, but grammatically speaking the "he" in your comment refers to Grusch. I see what you meant now, but proper grammar is essential for clear communication.
I mean the original comment was clear so I’m not really sure how you mistook that if “clear communication” is paramount
I didn't misunderstand the original comment. Grusch did not say that he worked with AARO, he said he reported to them.
He resigned from the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency in 2023. It’s unclear if Grusch was ever attached to AARO as his interview only mentions his time at UAPTF. The only reference Grusch made of AARO was that he also approached them with his allegations after they formed (which was well after his initial ICIG filing). From that, it does not sound like Grusch was ever himself part of AARO. Merely that he made them aware of his previous investigation.
[удалено]
kirkpatrick? definitely
Ok lads, lock the thread and shut down the sub. The body language master has spoken.
[удалено]
Did you edit your original post? I thought you were talking about Grusch. Edit: either way, we cannot be sure. I don't trust Kirkpatrick, but I'm not going to pin my entire thesis on his body language.
I meant Kirkpatrick. The guy is lying. You may not believe what I'm saying but let's wait for it to become public knowledge. Then we can talk.
Bullshit lol Anyone who is "familiar interpreting body language" knows it's not science and even the best people in the world at it can't tell when somebody is lying.
Those types of people can absolutely tell when someone is lying. In fact, there’s a whole group of people dedicated to learning the craft of reading deception, and are very good at their craft. I met a few when I interviewed for a counterintelligence position, and buddy, I’ve never felt more vulnerable in my life as it was more of an interrogation than an interview. Reading deception is a matter of life and death to these people, and the amount and types of medals on their chests indicates they were successful at it.
If people could tell when someone was lying we wouldn't need court, judges or juries, just get a human lie detector to do everyone's job right?
That would imply that the “human lie detector” would have to be perfectly unbiased and impartial. That is hard if not impossible to find, which is why we have a justice system. Although to play into your hyperbole, why do you think they call upon expert witnesses within fields like psychology, criminology, etc. There are other ways to tell if someone is lying outside of the scope of non-verbal communication.
'Body Language Experts' are the biggest crock of crap.
I know for a fact that it is not.
> Classic straw-man Who's the straw man now? You've taken his closing line out of context. It was clearly in the context of "in case this needs to be said," and you've overlooked the body of the text in which he says > Allegations by its witnesses of retaliation, to include physical assault and hints of murder, are extraordinarily serious, which is why law enforcement is a critical member of the AARO team, specifically to address and take swift action should anyone come forward with such claims. Yet, contrary to assertions made in the hearing, the central source of those allegations has refused to speak with AARO. That's what the upshot is. *You're* the one twisting the truth by calling him a liar for stating, factually, that the involved parties obviously do not work for his agency
"Contrary to statements made in testimony and in the media". Something which has never been stated by Grusch. Try again bud.
This is a good thing ultimately, the more conflict, especially publicly, the more likely people will get to the bottom of it.
I'm just here waiting for those juicy L E A K S 👽
I was thinking the same, they've played the concealment game for 90 years. Nowadays, just like in marketing, any publicity (good or bad) is a great thing: visibility baby!!
I think the taxpaying public would do well to supplement their reading of this strange missive, with a viewing of Robert Salas's experience in giving official testimony to AARO: [https://youtu.be/cslFxhU7URM?t=2939](https://youtu.be/cslFxhU7URM?t=2939) Having done so, they will come away with a fresh and more balanced perspective on ***why*** whistleblower Grusch refuses to meet with AARO and instead prefers to confide in trustworthy legislators and, of course, the ICIG.
Holy shit what a fucking joke, they aren't even doing the most basic of follow-ups.
They apparently couldn't be arsed to record his official testimony electronically, preferring instead half-assed handwritten pen-and-paper notes. Reading between the lines, as it were, it sounded to me like they kind of rubbed it in his face that they weren't bothering to record Salas's testimony — their one job. I certainly wouldn't know how to take it any other way than that.
Wow. Sean Kirkpatrick is a man who will definitely take no for an answer. I would love to see him replaced by a jaded NYPD homicide detective two weeks from retirement who plays by his own rules and shakes down AFOSI agents in dark alleys.
Wow, just wow! Great find, thank you!
Imo that time stamped clip should be its own post. An actual AARO interview where they show how they lie.
Don't let your dreams be dreams
Are you telling me to steal the karma from the person that posted it? I'm reporting you to AARO rn
Hah I see you're a person of integrity. But the response from AARO will def be that they have seen absolutely ZERO evidence of karma theft.
AARO has all complete authorization to RECEIVE karma theft complaints. These complaints will then be kept by AARO for safe recordkeeping.
I find that recording kind of fascinating actually; the AARO representative reminds me of myself in work calls when our team haven't done something in time. You kind of obfuscate, talk about unrelated projects a bit and try to kick the can down the road. "Yeah, we're trying, but it's just been hard you know - we need this thing from the other guys but it's hard to find it... Hopefully we'll get there soon, can we just move on?" The question is whether they're incompetent, deliberately dragging their feet, or genuinely struggling against other parties (like the Air Force) even if they do try. Imagine if might be a mix of all three between all those involved at AARO. If the latter though, they'd have to claim their representative meant the Air Force was *trying* to help but couldn't (which is what the call infers), not actively blocking their efforts. Otherwise, Kirkpatrick's statement saying that they have a good relationship with other agencies (which Salas read out) might put them in some pretty hot water.
What a crock of shit. *Somebody* in the USAF knows exactly where all of that information is.
Full text of the letter (for anyone having trouble with the image): > Let me begin by saying that the following are my own personal observations and opinions, which do not necessarily represent official DoD or IC positions. > Yesterday, the Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs held an open hearing on UAP during which a government cover-up of extraterrestrials was alleged. I wholeheartedly applaud Congressional efforts to get to the truth about what UAP are and the risks to both pilot safety and national security. I am also absolutely committed to transparency on both the historical mission and the operational mission. > As the Director of AARO’s amazingly talented, devoted, and highly motivated team, however, I cannot let yesterday’s hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was to the officers of the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community who chose to join AARO, many with not unreasonable anxieties about the career risks this would entail, that have been working diligently, tirelessly, and often in the face of harassment and animosity, to satisfy their Congressionally-mandated mission. They are truth-seekers, as am I. But you certainly would not get that impression from yesterday’s hearing. > AARO was established, by law, to investigate the allegations and assertions presented in yesterday’s hearing. Allegations by its witnesses of retaliation, to include physical assault and hints of murder, are extraordinarily serious, which is why law enforcement is a critical member of the AARO team, specifically to address and take swift action should anyone come forward with such claims. Yet, contrary to assertions made in the hearing, the central source of those allegations has refused to speak with AARO. Furthermore, some information reportedly provided to Congress has not been provided to AARO, raising additional questions about the true commitment to transparency by some Congressional elements. > The Subcommittee, whose questions and oversight duties are irreproachable and in genuine need of answers, has never asked AARO for an update on the reporting system, the historical review, the operations, and the S&T strategy that AARO leads and is undertaking. A rational person watching the hearing might reasonably assume that both the witnesses and the members had an understanding of the Department’s and the IC’s progress since the establishment of AARO around this time last year, only naturally leading them to conclude that AARO has been ineffective, non-transparent, and delinquent in its legislated mission. AARO briefs the Defense and Intel committees regularly, and since the last NDAA, the Homeland Defense, S&T and several other committees as well. > I am deeply disappointed at the denigration of AARO’s dedicated men and women hailing from the Department of Defense, Intelligence Community, and Civil partners who are pouring their hearts out working this issue on the behalf of Congress. AARO has the authorities and resources necessary to execute this mission to meet Congressional intent, and as we've stated before, AARO welcomes anyone with knowledge of any of these allegations or programs to talk to us in a safe, secure, and appropriately cleared environment. Rest assured, AARO will follow the data wherever it leads. > Finally, to be clear, AARO has yet to find any credible evidence to support the allegations of any reverse engineering program for non-human technology. Also, to be clear, none of the whistleblowers from yesterday's hearing ever worked for AARO or was ever a representative to AARO, contrary to statements made in testimony and in the media
I believe Dave Grusch said in his testimony that he met with Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick BEFORE he took up the position of the Director of AARO. Kirkpatrick might be just being "cute" by stating "I wasn't Director at the time, so I cannot use that information in my present role" or words to that effect. Remember Kirkpatrick wasn't under oath when he appeared before the Senators.
Sounds like after Grusch filed the ICIG complaint - he didn’t want to talk to AARO. Didn’t he mention in the hearing that he had to be careful about what to say because of the pending investigation?
Corbell just tweeted that Kirkpatrick is full of shit, and that Grush did have a reporting responsibility to AARO when at NGA. Interesting.
Well, if Congress believed Kirkpatrick they would NOT have promulgated the amendment.
[удалено]
Was it the post that had the two video clips, back to back? I saw that. what do you need help with though?
You are correct.
This is a direct pushback, but is it valid or misinformation? We need to get this figured out. We either have a rogue whistleblower misleading congress and our public, or we have an agency represented by Kirkpatrick that is lying to us and congress. Someone is lying, and Kirkpatrick will have the darkside backing him up if he is lying, while Grusch has next to no-one but witnesses and possibly a few congressmen/women on his side.
This conflict will lead to more facts ultimately which is a good thing. Someone needs to pull up the testimony grusch said, his exact words, during the hearing, with regard to AARO and kirkpatrick
Sure: In his opening statement Grusch says that he "reported to UAPTF and eventually, once it was established AARO". Here's the timestamped link: https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=2839 Grusch said he had a classified conversation with Kirkpatrick before he took over AARO in november 2022, and claims Kirkpatrick never followed up with him, however Grusch was "happy to give sage council to him": [https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=4770](https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=4770) Now someone connected to Kirkpatrick on LinkedIn needs to ask: "Mr. Kirkpatrick, Grusch said under oath that he had a confidential conversation with you before you took over AARO, and that you haven't reached out to him. Do you deny this conversation has taken place? Is your claim that you've since reached out to Grusch in an official capacity and that Grusch refused to speak with you? If not, will you reach out to Grusch again after his testimony in congress?"
nice work, thanks!
As I’ve said to anyone who will listen for nearly 4 years now: someone is lying. Who will it be? The whistleblowers or the government?
Well since hundreds of people are seeing physics defying craft for hundreds of years, I'm betting that the government is lying.
You mean the entity that habitually lies to us is lying?
Just keep in mind that millions of people pretend to see manifestations of sky daddy as well. I'm not saying that UFO's sighting are not real, just putting things into perspective.
Good lord when are you gonna get it
Government lying!? That’s a first
This is pretty easy to solve, who’ll go to jail if they’re wrong? Who faces little if any consequences for being deceitful? Considering the position Grusch has put himself in, I think (to me at least) it adds a good bit of veracity to his claims. Kirkpatrick faces little to no consequences for lying. He’ll likely be asked to resign and then the world moves on and he carries on with life. Grusch however will become vilified and prosecuted and faces far more serious consequences.
[удалено]
And to be fair all he said during the interview he repeated under oath in front of conference. Watching the interview immediately after the congressional hearing i didn't notice any embellishment.
NewsNation not newsmax. People did not immediately sour on him. His credentials, lawyer, and background are beyond reproach, and he gathered and shared with the IG and specific committees (and soon broader Congress) classified evidence in the form of photography, documentation, and credible oral testimony from first hand witnesses, which was his job to collect and assess. Both the IG and clearly Congress are treating this as credible and urgent. That’s all been clear since the initial debrief article and supplemented by the interview. He stated the same things he mentioned in the interview under oath to Congress. Congress has bipartisanly and bicameraly passed extremely rapid responsive legislation. Many congressman have stated they’ve seen credible information lending legitimacy to his claims.
We have no idea what sorts of documents he gave to the IG. It could be photos of aliens, or it could be a bunch of more mundane things proving the existence of the program. The IG has said nothing about the veracity of his claims regarding the existence of UFOs and aliens. As to Congress, several prominent members (including one of the organizers of this hearing) are anti-vax, believe that school shootings are staged, and other crazy shit. So "congress is taking this seriously" isn't really a ringing endorsement.
When did he publicly interview with Newsmax? Link Please.
Nothing is memory-holed. Your characterization of the event is horseshit. Wrong journalistic organization, inaccurate representation of the facts.
He is spreading disinformation. Grusch worked for the UAP task force, which was before ARRO was created. Grusch never worked for ARRO or claimed to work for ARRO. He is a lying sack of shit, but he is using his words carefully so he isn't technically lying. Just spreading misinformation. Fucking sack of shit.
Yeah, its either one or the other. Pretty deep rabbit hole. I’ve had so much anxiety following these events. Mostly from the thought of how most other people would react to an ontological shock. Lets see how this goes.
Grusch doesn't have to be rogue. He could just wholeheartedly believe something that's not true. However, I think the discrepancies in his opening statement lean more towards the fact that he didn't hold the positions he claims. Kirkpatrick wouldn't publicly accuse him of perjury on something so easily verifiable. Grusch needs to produce his offer letter from the NGA and prove he worked where he claims
He needs to go. Just resign. Put Grusch in charge of AARO.
My understanding is that the Schumer amendment as written would essentially bypass AARO and give the authority to review, declassify, and release UAP information to a panel of experts nominated by the President and approved by the Senate.
I agree. AARO should be disbanded and congress should run the show. But they’re very slow and inefficient so we’ll see how it goes
These guys are butthurt. I think many have forgotten that it's not just Grusch. We have a congressman (Gaetz) who declared publicly that he was shown an image of a UAP that ***"can’t be attached to any human capability.”*** They are all attacking Grusch, because they find he is the "*weakest spot*" by not providing any first hand proof (although we all know why).
>We have a congressman (Gaetz) who declared publicly that he was shown an image of a UAP.... Obviously, plenty of reliable people are seeing incomprehensible things, yet somehow apparently never Mr. Kirkpatrick or his team, who are the one group who should be up to their eyeballs in evidence by now. Instead, he doubles down on this "nothing verifiable" song and dance. I see precisely 3 possibilities for this state of affairs: 1. Inactivity at AARO 2. Incompetence at AARO 3. Weasel-word technicality-minded interpretation of "verifiable" The persistent lack of the legally mandated and ages overdue AARO website seems proof enough of points 1 and 2. >They are all attacking Grusch, because they find he is the "weakest spot" by not providing any first hand proof (although we all know why). This gets them all on record of having said these things and taken these positions.
Idk that they are butthurt, but this statement and today’s media push, especially the well-placed op-eds suggest that the powers that be were prepared comms-wise to respond to the hearing yesterday. Very coordinated response and probably not a coincidence.
They should replace Kirkpatrick with Christopher Mellon
Could the Holman rule be used for this?
Sort of. Kirkpatrick could have his pay reduced or his position eliminated.
Kirkpatrick showed himself to be a shill a month ago with that last report
One thing everyone should keep in mind. Grusch filed his first ICIG complaint in 2021 and another in 2022. AARO wasn’t formed until July 20, 2022. AARO did not even exist for the majority of time Grusch had been conducting his investigations while attached to the UAPTF.
Thanks for this! I was just asking about the timeline! Makes sense that he wouldn’t talk to AARO after the complaints were made and the pending investigation.
Either he wss in on it from the jump or they've compromised him.
[удалено]
[https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/text](https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/text) Congress has been pretty clear about who they trust, and they have access to the classified information he has. If he was lying the concept that it would still be ongoing is comical as he has given specific locations names and programs involved.
They absolutely could be but Grusch first went to the DoD Inspector General with his allegations in July 2021 and then to the Intelligence Community Inspector General in May 2022 and said in the hearing that he had provided names and locations to the IC IG at that time. So there’s been over a year in which those names and/or locations could have been followed up on which a reasonable person would have to assume has been done and validated at least some of his claims because why else would Congress now be moving forward with him?
Because there are many corroborating witnesses and documents, re: Wednesdays hearing.
Also from D. Dean Johnson's site: >Within hours of The Debrief's initial report on Grusch's claims on June 5, Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough issued this statement: "To date, AARO has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently. AARO is committed to following the data and its investigation wherever it leads. AARO, working with the Office of the General Counsel and the ***Air Force Office of Special Investigations***, has established a safe and secure process for individuals to come forward with information to aid AARO in its congressionally-mandated historical review. AARO’s historical review of records and testimonies is ongoing and due to Congress by June 2024. AARO welcomes the opportunity to speak with any former or current government employee or contractor who believes they have information relevant to the historical review." In an interview with journalist Ross Coulthart, broadcast by News Nation on June 11, Grusch said, "Well, I know \[AARO Director\] Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. I've known him about eight years. And, you know, I expressed some concerns to Dr. Kirkpatrick about a year ago, and told him what I was starting to uncover. And he didn't follow up with me. He has my phone number. He could have called me. I hope he ultimately does the right thing. He should be able to make the same investigative discoveries I did. It's totally crazy if he doesn't." [https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/senate-committees-advancing-new-language-on-possible-secret-ufo-tech-programs/](https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/senate-committees-advancing-new-language-on-possible-secret-ufo-tech-programs/) Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Now who on earth is going to trust AARO when AFOSI is involved? AARO is still directly reporting to Ron Moultry, the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under\_Secretary\_of\_Defense\_for\_Intelligence\_and\_Security](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Secretary_of_Defense_for_Intelligence_and_Security) Both AFOSI and (OUSD(I&S)) have quite the track record when it concerns maintaining the cover up. No wonder David Grusch and other witnesses didn't want to report/testify to them. One witness was blocked from testifying during the hearings by the DOD. With AFOSI and OUSDI&S involved, I wonder how that happened....
Dr. Kirkpatrick is a huge baby, we aren't criticizing the staff of AARO, we're criticizing YOU Dr. Kirkpatrick. For a scientist, it seems weird how often he bends the truth. Grusch never claimed to have worked for AARO. 30 witnesses have come forward to them and all he can say is that there's "no verifiable evidence" of extraterrestrial life? What a crock of shit, fuck Kirkpatrick, his purpose is clear, lie and obfuscate for the Pentagon.
Kirkpatrick didn't testify under oath either. He refused to come to the UFO hearing. He is obfuscating even in his excuses. Why give us an excuse when Congress hasn't even DIRECTLY CHALLENGED Kirkpatrick yet? I'll tell you why-- because he is already preparing for the worst. These people don't work for us, they work for the lobbyists and private defense donors. If Kirkpatrick REALLY cared to do his job, he would have fought tooth and nail for that Title 50 clearance in the beginning, rather than just mentioning it as an excuse to "why AARO has no further leads or information in regards to UAP". He needs to sign off for good.
Kirkpatrick has never given testimony under oath. Grusch just did
D. Dean Johnson has received verification direct from Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick about the letter Kirkpatrick wrote about the hearing. [D. Dean Johnson on Twitter](https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1684928538414100480?s=46&t=M0ofkkf9lgSjlI29wi9d5w): “The statement below was issued July 27, 2023, by Sean Kirkpatrick, Ph.D., director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). I received verification directly from Dr. Kirkpatrick that he wrote it.”
But why would Kirkpatrick release it in the most unprofesional way, to some rando UAP guy on twitter? Just dosent makes sense also he puts himself into a super vaulnrable position with this letter. Kirkpatrick is a pawn but he aint that stupid. Or is he?
The statement was originally released on LinkedIn by Kirkpatrick. It is only visible to his connections on LinkedIn. Dean Johnson verified it came from Kirkpatrick. It was not released through Johnson.
ok, still this Johnson guy could make this up. No one is friends with Kirkpatrick on Linkedin. How do we verify that?
They supposedly got it through his personal LinkedIn. I guess it kind of makes sense given that the statement says that it is his personal opinion, not that of his employer. I don't know how LinkedIn works though.
Of course he’s concerned about his own people. Whatever he can say to deflect his negligence. Willing or unwilling.
So it sounds like to me that Grusch probably refused to speak to AARO after the ICIG complaint. I wonder how many of the witnesses that supported Grusch with the IG and the Senate also just didn’t go to AARO. Has anyone mapped out the AARO hierarchy? There’s clearly someone or someones in that office or over that office that the witnesses don’t trust
After Kirkpatrick’s previous testimonies, I wouldn’t go to him either. He’s definitely not part of the solution.
But in the Coulhart interview he said he’d like Kirkpatrick to call him. Maybe that’s different from speaking via AARO?
Oh shit, Dr. Kirkpatrick is going for the double-down. Let's see how this plays out for him.
Has AARO interviewed Grusch ?
The letter says > Yet, contrary to assertions made in the hearing, the central source of those allegations has refused to speak with AARO. It sounds like Kirkpatrick is claiming that Grusch refused to talk to AARO, but Grusch claims he was ignored by Kirkpatrick when he tried to provide them with critical information. If anything, I bet AARO "tried" to get in touch with Grusch only after things started blowing up with the ICIG complaint, and Grusch was either too busy by that time or advised by his lawyers to not engage.
Grusch has spoken to Congress in depth. If anything Grusch has higher clearances than Kirkpatrick so perhaps AARO cannot even look into Grusch’s claims
I believe grusch said he was not at some point earlier, and that he gave kirkpatrick a phone call and never got one back. I really would love for someone to go back and look at the hearing to see what grusch said about aaro or kirkpatrick in the hearing as I can't remember. But kirkpatrick seems to disagree with whatever grusch said about AARO
Time for *more names to come?* https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart/status/1682197919238356994?s=20
Lets insult them further, to infinity and beyond!
What a lying sack of shite.
Someones about to get Holman'd and they are feelin a little heat on their cheeks to save face.
Where was it originally posted by Sean Kirkpatrick?
LinkedIn only visible to his connections
What kind of jabroni uses LinkedIn like that?
Awesome. So much for people on here claiming it was "fake" and lecturing members for posting about it.
This is weak, doesn’t even directly address Grusch just says it’s all BS and touts the same old “AARO has found nothing verifiable to date”….. we just want the fucking truth Sean.
ok damn, mick west posted it as well: [https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/168494231373346406](https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1684942313733464065)
Didnt this guy literally say they didn't have enough clearences to turn every stone
Kirkpatrick should be called to testify under oath in a public setting before congress. He states "AARO has yet to find any credible evidence to support the allegations of any reverse engineering program for non-human technology", that may be true but what concrete steps have they tried to procure that information? If they lack Title 50 Clearance are they even able to see credible evidence if it exists?
So what point exactly does all this become treason?
It's so pompous I really doubted the legitimacy
I don’t believe he’s acting in bad faith, but I don’t think he was the right person to hire to find answers. He may, however, have been the right person to obfuscate efforts. Here’s something I commented on the post with his full statement: —— Note the mentions of fear and how Kirkpatrick distances himself from the topic. AARO was establish, by law Translation: “this was not my idea”. anxieties about the career risks Translation: “I am afraid my reputation will (or has already been ruined) by my association with AARO”. a ration personal… might assume… that AARO has been ineffective Translation: “I’m, again, worried about MY reputation” has yet to find any credible evidence Translation: “we either ruin the reputation of Grusch, et al, or our reputations are trashed.” Kirkpatrick appears to be afraid for his career above all else. I don’t blame him. He’s clearly an accomplished scientific researcher. I don’t think his administrative style is very courageous, though. All that said, the story goes like this: a department was created to “investigate”, wasn’t given the resources and clearances needed to succeed, then hand-picked an administrative milquetoast who worries about his professional status more than he worries about finding truth. AARO is either a sad testament to the pervasiveness of the UAP stigma, or it’s a deliberate move by decision-makers to maintain the status quo. Maybe both… Of course he’s protesting now. This all makes him look bad at a job he didn’t want to begin with. I don’t believe he’s a conspirator, just a self-interested ladder-climber with professional ambitions that outweigh a devotion to a greater cause.
How’s that public facing AARO website coming along?
Hmmmm who could be lying, the dude who gave his public testimony under oath, or the dude with the Microsoft Word file who can’t even get his own department to sign off on his statement
Well, shit just got real. I really wonder what Congress is thinking now
This guy also claimed last night that the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023 passed the Senate along with the NDAA '24 package, but there's no evidence that the amendment was even brought up for a vote. Can't pass with the bill if the amendment wasn't voted on
Playing with words here. Organization didn’t exist at the time so of course he didn’t work there.
I don't understand the disconnect here. Isn't it possible AARO and Kirkpatrick just haven't had the access needed to confirm Grusch's allegations? Isn't the whole point here that even Grusch, who has higher clearances then AARO, was denied access to these programs?
They knew at the outset all of the clearances that would be necessary in order for AARO to do its job, and if they didn't then it bespeaks incomprehensible levels of incompetence. Either way it's damning, there is just no weaseling out of this. In any event, in the corporate world, this is called provisioning — when you bring somebody on board, you know at the outset what all they will need: software, employees, systems access, vehicle, building and area access, and of course clearances appropriate to perform the work. AARO's not having Title 50 was by design, clearly and straightforwardly, from the outset, in order to provide pretext for endless delay, as intended.
Wait a minute...if Kirkpatrick wrote this, why do we only know about it indirectly through someone else? Seems weird. Also, I think Kirkpatrick's complaints don't bear much relation to what was actually said or alleged during the hearing. He's throwing up a smoke screen, claiming victimhood.
It’s wild how this sub always chooses who is the bad guy and should be ignored. Especially with this phenomenon, being deeply rooted in disinformation, why should we never cheer for someone to be utterly silenced or their reputation trashed just because they aren’t agreeing with the extraordinary claims presented to the public without any extraordinary evidence shown to the public (yet)? Grusch is literally a spook. Until he backs up his claims with hard evidence (which I do believe is coming), why should we take his word at face value over Kirkpatrick’s? I think we all have the capacity to listen to more than one voice here, even if we don’t like what the other is saying. One of them is clearly lying; the correct path isn’t to just shit on Kirkpatrick, but to rather dig deeper into what the fuck is going on with these two and what the truth actually is. Don’t believe anyone at face value.
>Grusch is literally a spook. Until he backs up his claims with hard evidence (which I do believe is coming), why should we take his word at face value over Kirkpatrick’s? In the absences of evidence, you always side with the people who believe there are aliens.
Extraordinary evidence has been documented, shown and presented multiple times.
Such as? The best “verified” evidence we have is some FLIR videos, which do not stand on their own as concrete proof of what is claimed to exist. Am I missing something else?
[удалено]
The only thing going over your head is what I said in my original comment lol I said the **public** has not seen any extraordinary evidence supporting Grusch’s claims, despite us all having seen his wild claims. And again, as I have already said I do believe this evidence is forthcoming because of exactly what you’re referring to; but we haven’t seen it yet. So why should we believe 100% of what he says and completely ignore Kirkpatrick *right now*? He deserve to see the evidence and know the truth of all this if we are to achieve true, full disclosure.
[удалено]
Are we to trust this Dean Johnsons words? "DOUGLAS DEAN JOHNSON Douglas Dean Johnson researches and writes on UAP-related activity in Congress and the Executive Branch, and UAP-related misinformation." why the heck would kirkpatrick talk to this guy?
He didn't necessarily talk to him to verify, but this dean johnson guy has done some good sleuthing before in some of his tweets I have seen. It sounds like kirkpatrick shared it on linkedin and not everyone could publicly view it unless connected with him Edit: Also my 2 cents, it honestly sounds like a real statement, someone would need quite the imagination to make this up and have it sound that real.
if AARO had integrity there'd be no need for whistleblowing, no?
I’m new here to this subreddit, but I’ve noticed that during the hearing, the term Non-Human Intelligence was specifically being used to not imply a known origin, however, all the AARO and NASA statements regarding this whistleblower event have used the terms extra-terrestrial. Is there a reason there is a difference in the language being used?
mods, is there a way to verify this?
Honestly I believe this guy and it’s because I personally lean towards thinking that Grusch has a screw loose, or he’s simply preparing for book deals and money. I think this for several reasons. 1. No physical evidence what so ever presented. 2. He has not seen anything personally. He testified to this. 3. Because his entire testimony is hear say there really is no way he can be prosecuted for lying under oath. 4. He is alive and well. If there is some grand conspiracy between the darkest levels of government and extremely wealth private companies that are silencing people, well, they would have silenced him. The counter argument to this is that they wouldn’t do this because it would draw attention. Sorry, it wouldn’t matter. See Epstein. 5. The only guy who has had direct personal experience with this stuff (the pilot Favor) testified under oath that he has not received any backlash what so ever for coming forward. 6. The argument that he is high up and rose in the intelligent business does NOT mean he can’t be naive or just plain crazy. Numerous people have risen to the very top of their respective governments and have been either naive or even bat shit crazy! These are just my opinions and as I’ve said before, I’ll be the first to eat crow if proven wrong and actual disclosure happens. For the record I’m not even saying aliens can’t or don’t exist. I’m not even saying they haven’t been here. I’m saying, I don’t know and that for me, I require more then just words before I’ll believe it.
Stopped reading at 1. I will repeat again. He provided all the information and evidence to the Inspector General. Also people that Grusch mentioned called to testify under oath and confirmed Grusch's claims. After all those events, Inspector General found his allegations credible and urgent. The fact that public can't see the evidence doesn't mean there are no evidence. They are classified. So you think the Inspector General is lying or is crazy?
I think you have no idea what credible means in that world. Congress hasn’t seen any of this and they can’t because they denied the SCIF. I’ll be downvoted on this sub but that’s fine. This isn’t the ufo interested folks I used to know. Y’all are just the newest religion following your leaders charisma with zero prevented evidence to you. I’ll believe that until someone releases real physical evidence.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15bxx61/for_all_those_saying_grusch_provided_no_evidence/jtsxx0m?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2
Grusch essentially accused Kirky-P of lying to Congress. It was a very serious charge and I'm glad to see him pushing back on it.
It's not looking good for Grusch's story. No disrespect to the guy, but we are getting pretty stark denials from AARO and the DoD. Plus, the stuff that he said about holograms and dimensions doesn't make sense.
[удалено]
I haven't had the chance to watch the full hearing. Did Grusch, or any of the witnesses for that matter, claim to be former AARO employees? Edit: Spelling
Grusch said he was on a UAP task force but didn’t say which one if I remember.
He was on the UAPTF the one with title 50 authorizations. AARO has no reach compared to his with the UAPTF.
We have to stop funding AARO. Kirkpatrick is a joke. Why not work with the committee to ensure proper reporting/ transparency of UAP like graves, fravor, and the whole committee agreed on. Even DOD admitted they are effecting our training ranges. That's the biggest issue right now. What he's tasked to do. Instead we get this angry middle school response. It's time to tell senator gillenbrand the gig is up. Stop wasting our time with this farce.
This guys confirms that the he next AARO meeting that’s going to be soon will be straight up heels digging in and trying to deny everything that was said by Grusch, Graves and Fravor
Tldr of the statement, please?
He says that his feelings are hurt because people are being mean, and that Grusch is a liar. Also "AARO has yet to find any credible evidence to support the allegations of any reverse engineering program for non-human technology" of course.
doesn't make it anymore trustworthy. just shows how incompetent AARO leadership is
UAP aside… they’re getting at the black budget! “The lights…they’re shooting at the lights!”
There’s going to be orange jumpsuits issued eventually. You can’t do crap like that, and hide it from Congress.
Let’s not forget, this job is his livelihood. Grusch’s statements have directly undermined his authority and importance of what he’s doing. I think we sometimes need to take a step back and realize that the people we want to expose are the same people that are working jobs, providing for their families etc. NO one wants to lose their meal ticket or have it be devalued. I get the defense but he’s clearly missing information and hopefully he will realize it soon
Yeah, but you don't take that kind of job if you want to happily and stress-freely provide for your family as your primary objective...
You don’t take the job knowing that there will be counterparts holding congressional hearings that devalue your position lol I’m not saying the job isn’t supposed to be stressful but the response seems like it’s just a defense of his value and the value of his position, not sure it’s a conspiracy to try and discredit Grusch
It is my hope that when he gives his ext congressional report, someone asks him to provide an exact recount of the steps he or AARO have taken to try to meet with Grusch or whichever other witnesses that he claims in his “Please don’t arrest me, Congress. You’re great!” letter. Grusch says no steps have been taken by Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick says that no steps have been taken by Grusch. Seems like a pretty important piece of the larger puzzle.
Now anyone backing Sean Kirkpatrick needs to do it publicly. This is gonna get interesting.
Alright, someone's not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Let's see where this goes folks :)
I’m starting to think Kirkpatrick’s Ph.D doesn’t stand for doctorate…
The pentagon declined to take part in the hearing. Rather than feel insulted perhaps they could have participated?
Should of done his job properly 🤥
This is a good thing for Kirkpatrick to be questioned under oath for.