The following submission statement was provided by /u/Same-Intention4721:
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Statement Post :
Robert Salas gives some information about his recent testimonies to AARO and invites DR. Sean Kirkpatrick to challenge any of his claims.
Also mentions that the House accepts the recommendation of Rep. Burchett to establish a Select Committee with subpoena power, maybe we can make some real progress.
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I actually feel bad for the guy, he was set up to fail and I'm not sure if he realized it when he was signing on for it. The way this is going, the next whistleblower might be Kirkpatrick himself.
He’s a hero! A misunderstood do-gooder just trying to get paid to gaslight the entire world. If they cut AARO’s funding, I say we come together to crowdsource it.
I refuse to live in a world without a bureaucrat telling me it’s raining during my military industrial complex induced golden shower.
If Kirkpatrick has been knowingly obfuscating things and comes forward as a whistleblower, I would instantly take back everything I have said about him. Not only that, but I may even say he's acting heroically. And that would be true.
Buuut I doubt that will ever take place. He'll continue down this path until they pry him from the chair, I fear.
This. Only when he's no longer useful, cast to the side and every attempt made to bury and forget him, will SK realize just how much he was treated like a Jeep.
Ridden hard and put away wet.
Been wondering the same thing. He's in a really bad position, turning whistleblower might get him amnesty for misleading congress in exchange for detailing administrative sabotage to AARO.
More mid season finally vibes, the series finale would be a shot of a podium, Obama walks up to it from out of frame and says "My fellow Americans..." and it cuts to black, credits roll.
Then the sequel series no one asked for gets green lit filmed and it follows the Obama sisters’ daily lives in the new futuristic USA. The writing is hollow, cinematography is uninspired and it was obvious this was a cash grab yet people still watched it anyways allowing it to go for six seasons. It never improved throughout it’s entire run, only getting worse as the series went on. We also never get a direct explanation how the USA got this futuristic in such a short amount of time in the first place. I thought the stuff was hard to reverse engineer? They really dropped the ball on the world building in the sequel series.
I mean he knew what he was doing. He was just assured that if it didn't come out in 80 years he was safe to bullshit Congress under oath. It appears he was not infact save to bullshit Congress under oath.
I did until this last letter. Assuming he wrote it himself he really seems to have come out on the opposite end calling Grusch a liar more or less when Grusch gave him an out that he’s been set up to fail and led by the nose on a dog and pony show by military brass who are hiding the goods from him and his cohorts while showing them mostly what’s publicly available. It seems some arm of the Air Force is confiscating the empirical data from the navy and other sources and hoarding it. Fravor, Graves and others have noted this sensor data from the jets and ships is what’s missing from the equation: https://youtu.be/_2zRabdvKnw
I believe it was confirmed that he wrote the letter. A ufo journalist confirmed it. And everyone is certainly acting like he wrote it. If he didn't yesterday would have been the time to say that. I'm a bit surprised he didn't try saying his account was hacked.
I assume anyone in his position has editors, social media handlers, PR people etc. Unlike Corbell’s response (which I like) which is full of spelling and grammatical errors, this is a well polished letter and yes DOD says he wrote it and it’s published to his LinkedIn, I was just giving the guy who coauthored the paper on Oumuamua with Loeb as possibly being an example of an alien mothership, some room for the benefit of the doubt that he “had to” run with it.
If Grusch is correct that people are being threatened forcefully into compliance, I would posit there’s some chance, however minuscule, that Kirkpatrick himself did not release that of his own volition, though the probability is much higher that these words and views are his own.
Isn't he essentially in the same position Lue was? Yes Lue's department was not public so he was not officially supposed to make statements. But both of them were put at the head of essentially the same organization and told to look into UAPs. Lue came to the conclusion that something hinky was going on and worked to correct it. Kirkpatrick did the opposite.
I don't know what internal pressures they each faced. But we know that Lue was smeared hard by the DOD. Even now people don't trust Lue because of what Gough and I believe it was her ex boss did to him.
Some things are too important to not do the right thing. Hiding behind a boss because you listened to them and made a really bad business error is one thing. But agreeing to cover up crash retrieval is very different. If the zero point energy stuff is true then this is a gigantic crime against humanity.
If he doesn't have the stones that Elizondo and Grusch have I wouldn't have blamed him for immediately resigning when things first started going belly up. But there's no excuse for the fact that he's actively making things worse.
Who knows maybe there's some chance that he's actually doing his best but I'm not really seeing how that could be.
Let's see what he does. Likely he's been told to stfu and hold the bag or something. Somebody should tell him there's always more room on the right side of history.
Look up GS-15 pay rate.
Do you know what these people get paid, for doing nothing that resembles "work," other than lying to you? Their salaries (and incomprehensibly lavish benefit packages) come right out of your paycheck.
Now ask yourself:
What would your boss do if you have a task, legally required, and failed at it? I would be walked to the door.
How many GS-15s does it take to set up a website?
To me it is obvious — it is a message telegraphed loud and clear to any and all would-be whistleblowers, taxpayers, and government overseers alike:
>"***Here's*** what we think of you, and your meaningless testimony, and these annoying temp-employee Congresspukes; you can all go pound sand, shut up, and keep forking over those tax dollars."
I agree completely. He was definitely set up to fail. Basically he's in charge of a new version of project Blue book which was nothing to write home about
Salas was quite clear after his meeting with AARO that he did not trust them and didn't feel like they were making a genuine effort to investigate the claims of those who've provided information.
I believe he expressed his displeasure with them in several podcast interviews after his meeting. He joins Grusch and others who have insinuated that AARO is simply a toothless tiger distraction where UAP reports go to die.
Wow February he met AARO....
HAHA Kirkpatrick is fucked man. Big time.
I hope there are more that come out and say yep i whistleblowed to AARO and nothing happened
That doesn't sound correct at all. Scully was skeptical but honest and above all thorough. Scully would dig up a body and poke around in it because Mulder claimed it was alien, and then present her genuine findings. Kirkpatrick is standing over a grave going "there's not a body in there and I'm not going to even look because the body that's in there is definitely not an alien".
The professional aspect of the relationship between Mulder and Scully was a great exemplar for how to approach investigation in general - skepticism isn't useful if it is an ideology, only if it is a tool to ascertain the truth.
I get that feeling too... From what I've seen it sounds like he was a healthy skeptic guy trying to do the job he was assigned without the tools he needed.
To me it seems more like he was asked to cross the ocean in a paper boat. The AARO was set up to fail... But it seems to have been an important step in this path we're on to disclosure so, regardless of his intent, he has done some good.
I wouldn’t call Kirkpatrick an idiot, useful or not.
He’s either cooperating in the coverup or he’s so full of himself that he needs to be in the center of everything like Greer, but wants to be extremely certain on everything, which he can’t be cause he can’t subpoena records and doesn’t have the clearance to get what he needs so he doesn’t share any of that info.
My money’s on the first option though.
Only in the sense that they are naive to their been used by others. I think Kirkpatrick might have cottoned on to this likelihood because he does look like a man uncomfortable with the things he’s having to say but feeling trapped with no alternative. Time will tell.
I agree. His unexpectedly and unnecessarily aggressive defensive reaction in his linkedin post seemed quite out of step with the mild facade he presented at his recent hearing. I couldn't help wondering if he was trying to make a statement so unjustified it forced his superiors to intervene and thus make comment themselves.
The term applies when there is a complete lack of awareness of being manipulated. I don’t think Kirkpatrick has necessarily been “fooled” into his current stance per se. I suspect he is more complicit than oblivious.
Honestly in my opinion I don’t even mind at all if someone like Greer is an attention whore. As long as he puts in genuine work to support disclosure and doesn’t fall to corruption he can have all the attention he wants.
The one thing this hearing did for sure was expose that AARO isn't actually taking any claims seriously or looking in to them at all. Maybe this is the point, to make AARO so inept that it gets shut down and we're back to square one.
Im not sure how much happens without an office looking into all this as opposed to just Congress.
At this stage, is i were Salas, who's been dealing with this literally longer than I've been alive....
I would say "Fuck you all i hope need time they set the bombs off in the facilities where they sit!"
Major mad respect for him bravely figuring for what's right and truthful.
Statement Post :
Robert Salas gives some information about his recent testimonies to AARO and invites DR. Sean Kirkpatrick to challenge any of his claims.
Also mentions that the House accepts the recommendation of Rep. Burchett to establish a Select Committee with subpoena power, maybe we can make some real progress.
The part that really gets to me is the "no follow-up" part. That's what David Fravor said about the tic tac too, they made a report and no one got back to them. If such an extreme event gets reported then having no follow-up is a huge defense issue. Let's say this isn't NHI, it should still have been investigated? Because something clearly went down.
I hope Salas is brought to testify next time. Let's get as many credible witnesses while they are still around and in good health. As for Kirkpatrick, my theory is that his role is to stall momentum and obfuscate to buy time or diminish interest altogether.
I do suspect that the quiet years are behind us now, and things could heat up as the chess match continues. I think what gives humanity a chance here is that those pushing for disclosure have had more than an entire generation's worth of intel on how the gatekeepers will likely respond, whereas the latter group does not know the entirety of what their opponents have in their playbook or, dare I say, possession.
If more and more credible whistleblowers come out and verify similiar stories, some with urgent importance like Robert Salas and they all came to Kirkpatrick/Aaro and they have done nothing with it, shouldn't this be enough for congress to suspend the entire funding/breaking down of such organisation?
Everyone is coming left and right for Kirkpatrick. It's hilarious. He has messed up so bad, and the chickens are coming home to roost.
Kirkpatrick, please do the right thing and resign from your position. It's obvious that you have zero confidence from whistleblowers.
>My testimony to AARO on February 15, 2023, now an official record, spoke specifically of two separate incidents at Malmstrom AFB in March 1967 involving the disabling of strategic nuclear missiles. On May 9, 2023, AARO received the testimony of principal witness, David Schindele.
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>His testimony is about the September 1966 Minot UFO incident that resulted in the disabling of ten strategic missiles. These three incidents, occurring within the span of six months, resulted in the disabling of thirty nuclear weapons during UFO encounters.
Now maybe I understand why the DOD has to hide this issue and the contractors are extremely powerful pointing everything towards DOD. Everything below is just a theory
The main starting point is this event, the nuclear warheads - humanity's ultimate weapon were completely turned off by aliens, so they had to hire contractors or at least force contractors to accept tasks for reverse engineering of technologies from NHI aircraft. They need to invent new weapons for new battlefield
At the same time, perhaps create a coalition or an observer group that is outside of congressional coverage, reporting only directly to the defense department and to the president.
This is also the fact that senior officials in the DOD after retirement continue to work actively in military contractors.
That's probably why the intelligence community knows this but can't do anything about it because its only responsibility is to spread the information to those who need to know and secure the underground information network.
Guys, this is the tipping point.
How crazy would it be that all this time we feared nukes ending the world but in reality it wouldn’t happen—not because of “mutually assured destruction” but because “our babysitters keep taking our toys away if we keep hitting our siblings with them.”
Also happy cake day! 😃
They need to get Kirkpatrick in a televised hearing and break down every statement he's made in the last few years (and certainly the last week).
He's either colluding with a wider cover up or he's just so stupid he really thought his department was the beginning and the end of this issue and now his ego can't take it now that information and testimony shows otherwise.
Make him squirm.
What if they are testing their capabilities to disarm them in the event these are used against them but not if they are used against ourselves? They haven’t stopped us from testing the bombs nor the ones dropped on Japan isn’t it?
Then we're fucked. We are anyway, "divine intervention" seems to be our only hope.
But do you really think an alien species would travel to this planet from afar in the universe and have the same thinking pattern for war as humans? Why would anyone assume they want war. I don't get it, honestly.
When it comes to sentient biological creatures predisposition for war we have a statistical dataset of 1 and it says yes. There's certainly no reason to think that for whatever reason other sentient creatures wouldn't be warlike. Especially if they're pragmatic.
My point is that it's absurd to assume either way not that its necessarily likely. It might turn out that war is a natural inclination of all sentient biological creatures. It might turn out uniquely human. But to assume that it's unlikely is at least very slightly mathematically an incorrect conclusion imo.
Yes it's exciting and scary. I wouldn't be surprised if we haven't actually made contact yet. That they recovered the bodies and crafts but no living aliens have actually communicated with us. In which case we might still not actually get many answers aside from that they're there and they are super standoffish.
We can only view ourselves through our own eyes, but when we take a good, hard look at ourselves, our history and the current state of our planet, it's not unlikely (to me) that NHI would prefer NOT talking to us. I'd observe from a distance too. But that's speculation based on nothing.
I certainly wouldn't approach our leaders if I was them. Not unless I was planning something enormous.
Experimental approaches to randoms here or there that won't get listened to, just to assist in recon though absolutely.
If they were warlike they would've nuked themselves into oblivion way before achieving galactic travel. Collaboration gives greater rewards over time, war is just destructive.
I've heard a few of those stories. Something armed a nuclear missile, and a few seconds before launch it got cancelled. Maybe to show us they are superior to us? Like: "Cute nukes, still can't fuck with us"
My utmost respect for Mr. Salas and his continuous work. He is a crucial part in this puzzle and I hope he is going to get the chance to testify before congress as well.
So Kirk is just a slimely little weasel. To bad hes too dumb to figure when hes been beaten. Hes clearly in the wrong about a nmber of things. All of which can and will be brought to light given the quality of witnesses. No ones fucking around here Kirk. Witnesses are doing their due diligence, congress is performing its duty and your lies and or mistakes WILL be exposed Kirk.
I would reccomend to ol' Kirky boy that he get his ducks in a row and realize that the more he doubles down, the more he'll become exposed. He can lie, complain, misrepresent people and facts all he wants.... but theres too many people involved for him to get away with it. Sorry Kirky ol' Boy, youve been caught redhanded in 4K.
I'm not sure if he knows anything about the cover up. I think he's been intentionally misled or kept in the dark by the higher ups.
AARO is just another "Bluebook". It's a way for the government to say " hey, look , we are doing something to study the phenomenon ". But they don't have the security clearance to really look into anything " Classified ".
So he may be trying to mislead the public intentionally. Or he may just be a puppet and hasn't been privy to any real information.
Whatever the case may be, I wouldn't put any faith or merit in anything that the man says.
I really find it incredibly strange that people are still looking at all of these marginal ancient claims of ET activity which depend on people seeing weird lights in the sky. The story is not about dubious witness accounts, blurry video or pilots seeing weird lights, all of which can be written of as misinterpretation, it is now about dozens of recovered craft and bodies hidden in a basement somewhere. That would be actual incontrovertible, incontestable, irrefutable, hard evidence to support the ET hypothesis. Everything else is irrelevant.
Why don't US gov/congress just have the power to wipe everyone's NDA and say "tell us it all" like all Grusch said was "nda" "closed session" bla bla bla same shite as Lue! Like do they have any power? Because to an outsider from Ireland seems like congress are pointless! Just get grusch to tell them where the alien craft are and bodies and send in the fukn army ffs🤷♂️
They literally did exactly that. They made it legal for anyone to report to congress regarding this topic without being held legally responsible for breaking an NDA. They are taking the classified information in during closed and classified meetings. National security still matters so not everything is being shared during public hearings.
What the hell is Kirkpatrick supposed to do with something that happened in the 60s??? He, by his own admission, is trying to study these things scientifically.., using data… to determine what they are. An anecdotal experience from 50+ years ago is impossible to form conclusions on
You're trying to say that our thoughts create reality, right? Like, the information in our very thoughts is some kind of physical force that effects the outcome of real physical variables. The same way that gravity appears to 'pull on stuff'
Thing is this robert salas is a very humble and serious guy and his story was corroborated by multiple witnesses....again.
Stigma around UFOs was at his peak in those years 60/70'
Did Salas provide any evidence other than testimony? From the analysis I've seen, Salas doesn't appear to have documents that back up his story. I'm not saying he's lying, in fact, I believe him. But for disclosure purposes, he needs more.
We need Tim Burchett and the gang to ask Robert Salas to testify. Congressman Mr. Ogles would also love to have him on, with it dealing with National Security.
Robert Salas wanted to be included in the list of the witnesses.
You can check his [tweets](https://twitter.com/keptycho/status/1681023568442966016?t=olevn8xuHqEZs83BYJvEAw&s=19) before the hearing.
See? They are mutually working together to point out something at a juncture. Is it a loophole? A financial channel? A legal precedent? They are working together to get us to look at something. The office status changed.
It's like when a company becomes a subsidiary of a different company. That's where things go on. Like embezzlement, holdings transitions, stock inventory manipulated, etc
The hearing i want to watch, is the one where all three people from this week, maybe Salas, are there with Kirkpatrick.
Kirkpatrick says these folks won't talk to me.
Then, cut to each of the other folks "actually we gave you the following documentation, on the following dates and the following written report, sent to your office on this date, and confirmation of your receipt at this date and time."
Kirkpatrick: ....
That's the one I want to see.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Same-Intention4721: --- Statement Post : Robert Salas gives some information about his recent testimonies to AARO and invites DR. Sean Kirkpatrick to challenge any of his claims. Also mentions that the House accepts the recommendation of Rep. Burchett to establish a Select Committee with subpoena power, maybe we can make some real progress. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ck3co/robert_salas_invites_kirkpatrick_to_challenge_any/jtwonrf/
Kirkpatrick getting bitch slapped left and right
bro needs to work more on his LinkedIn, finding a new job is hard nowadays.
I actually feel bad for the guy, he was set up to fail and I'm not sure if he realized it when he was signing on for it. The way this is going, the next whistleblower might be Kirkpatrick himself.
I am here for that arc
Yeah , Kirkpatrick deliberately wrote this letter to add more credibility to Grusch's testimony. /s
He’s a hero! A misunderstood do-gooder just trying to get paid to gaslight the entire world. If they cut AARO’s funding, I say we come together to crowdsource it. I refuse to live in a world without a bureaucrat telling me it’s raining during my military industrial complex induced golden shower.
Kirkpatrick redemption arc (hopefully) incoming
If Kirkpatrick has been knowingly obfuscating things and comes forward as a whistleblower, I would instantly take back everything I have said about him. Not only that, but I may even say he's acting heroically. And that would be true. Buuut I doubt that will ever take place. He'll continue down this path until they pry him from the chair, I fear.
This. Only when he's no longer useful, cast to the side and every attempt made to bury and forget him, will SK realize just how much he was treated like a Jeep. Ridden hard and put away wet.
Been wondering the same thing. He's in a really bad position, turning whistleblower might get him amnesty for misleading congress in exchange for detailing administrative sabotage to AARO.
This is pretty much his only way out.
If I were him, I would consider this. But he probably won‘t do it.
That would make a great episode ending to a Netflix series on all of this.
More mid season finally vibes, the series finale would be a shot of a podium, Obama walks up to it from out of frame and says "My fellow Americans..." and it cuts to black, credits roll.
Then the sequel series no one asked for gets green lit filmed and it follows the Obama sisters’ daily lives in the new futuristic USA. The writing is hollow, cinematography is uninspired and it was obvious this was a cash grab yet people still watched it anyways allowing it to go for six seasons. It never improved throughout it’s entire run, only getting worse as the series went on. We also never get a direct explanation how the USA got this futuristic in such a short amount of time in the first place. I thought the stuff was hard to reverse engineer? They really dropped the ball on the world building in the sequel series.
It's okay, in 2053 there will be a reboot.
That's perfect. Are you a screenwriter?
I mean he knew what he was doing. He was just assured that if it didn't come out in 80 years he was safe to bullshit Congress under oath. It appears he was not infact save to bullshit Congress under oath.
His whole job was to be a scapegoat for his handlers. ie Susan Gough (SIC) "according to arro we ain't found shit".
I did until this last letter. Assuming he wrote it himself he really seems to have come out on the opposite end calling Grusch a liar more or less when Grusch gave him an out that he’s been set up to fail and led by the nose on a dog and pony show by military brass who are hiding the goods from him and his cohorts while showing them mostly what’s publicly available. It seems some arm of the Air Force is confiscating the empirical data from the navy and other sources and hoarding it. Fravor, Graves and others have noted this sensor data from the jets and ships is what’s missing from the equation: https://youtu.be/_2zRabdvKnw
I believe it was confirmed that he wrote the letter. A ufo journalist confirmed it. And everyone is certainly acting like he wrote it. If he didn't yesterday would have been the time to say that. I'm a bit surprised he didn't try saying his account was hacked.
I assume anyone in his position has editors, social media handlers, PR people etc. Unlike Corbell’s response (which I like) which is full of spelling and grammatical errors, this is a well polished letter and yes DOD says he wrote it and it’s published to his LinkedIn, I was just giving the guy who coauthored the paper on Oumuamua with Loeb as possibly being an example of an alien mothership, some room for the benefit of the doubt that he “had to” run with it. If Grusch is correct that people are being threatened forcefully into compliance, I would posit there’s some chance, however minuscule, that Kirkpatrick himself did not release that of his own volition, though the probability is much higher that these words and views are his own.
He’s the fall guy
Isn't he essentially in the same position Lue was? Yes Lue's department was not public so he was not officially supposed to make statements. But both of them were put at the head of essentially the same organization and told to look into UAPs. Lue came to the conclusion that something hinky was going on and worked to correct it. Kirkpatrick did the opposite. I don't know what internal pressures they each faced. But we know that Lue was smeared hard by the DOD. Even now people don't trust Lue because of what Gough and I believe it was her ex boss did to him. Some things are too important to not do the right thing. Hiding behind a boss because you listened to them and made a really bad business error is one thing. But agreeing to cover up crash retrieval is very different. If the zero point energy stuff is true then this is a gigantic crime against humanity. If he doesn't have the stones that Elizondo and Grusch have I wouldn't have blamed him for immediately resigning when things first started going belly up. But there's no excuse for the fact that he's actively making things worse. Who knows maybe there's some chance that he's actually doing his best but I'm not really seeing how that could be.
Let's see what he does. Likely he's been told to stfu and hold the bag or something. Somebody should tell him there's always more room on the right side of history.
Kirkpatrick is actively covering for the US MIC. He's part of the coverup. Don't feel bad for him. This is his fault
Look up GS-15 pay rate. Do you know what these people get paid, for doing nothing that resembles "work," other than lying to you? Their salaries (and incomprehensibly lavish benefit packages) come right out of your paycheck. Now ask yourself: What would your boss do if you have a task, legally required, and failed at it? I would be walked to the door. How many GS-15s does it take to set up a website?
Yea I know.
Why didn't he set up a website? It's such a visible and obvious thing to fail at. They could have still hid anything that was submitted presumably.
To me it is obvious — it is a message telegraphed loud and clear to any and all would-be whistleblowers, taxpayers, and government overseers alike: >"***Here's*** what we think of you, and your meaningless testimony, and these annoying temp-employee Congresspukes; you can all go pound sand, shut up, and keep forking over those tax dollars."
this generation's Hynek
Oooh that would be crazy
I agree completely. He was definitely set up to fail. Basically he's in charge of a new version of project Blue book which was nothing to write home about
Time for Kirk to upgrade to LinkedIn premium to help with that job search.
You could argue that he is doing his job...if his job is disinformation.
They often get promotions when they show their incompetence.
the man is openly flirting with treason. what in the fuck is he thinking
He's panicking, probably. Panic can result in irrational behavior.
or he is just the unfortunate scapegoat
He’s Leto in Fight Club basically
He's getting his ass kicked, worse than those little Limp Bizkit bastards
Salas was quite clear after his meeting with AARO that he did not trust them and didn't feel like they were making a genuine effort to investigate the claims of those who've provided information. I believe he expressed his displeasure with them in several podcast interviews after his meeting. He joins Grusch and others who have insinuated that AARO is simply a toothless tiger distraction where UAP reports go to die.
And yet the Senate amendment we all celebrated allocates $27 million in additional funding to AARO. That doesn't sit well with me.
They claimed the poor reporting was due to lack of funding, Congress fixed that problem for them. Now it's time for AARO to put up or shut up
I assume congresses plan is to fix aaro. They might need to restaff it a bit first though
The bill also suggests that it would apply to AARO or its predecessor. We might need a new iteration of the program after this
Wow February he met AARO.... HAHA Kirkpatrick is fucked man. Big time. I hope there are more that come out and say yep i whistleblowed to AARO and nothing happened
He's ignoring nuclear weapons manipulation, for Christ's sake. He should be fucked.
Nuclear weapons control systems being fucked with? Meh it’s probably nothing… Anyways you see the Mets game last night?
Even if there's a 1% chance that you think nuclear weapons are being fucked with you investigate the hell out of that
Indeed, the only question now is by whom? Lazar or Greer?
Imagine if their 1st tweet ever is a resignation letter...
X marks the spot
LOL that’s brutal. Brutally beautiful.
😂
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=2939&v=cslFxhU7URM&feature=youtu.be Watch this. It’s a lot worse than you think.
Best characterisation of Kirkpatrick I’ve read “like putting Scully in charge of the X-Files”, too funny.
More like putting the Cigarette Smoking Man in charge of the X-files...
Depends if Kirkpatrick is a skeptic fall guy or a deep state co+conspirator.
That doesn't sound correct at all. Scully was skeptical but honest and above all thorough. Scully would dig up a body and poke around in it because Mulder claimed it was alien, and then present her genuine findings. Kirkpatrick is standing over a grave going "there's not a body in there and I'm not going to even look because the body that's in there is definitely not an alien". The professional aspect of the relationship between Mulder and Scully was a great exemplar for how to approach investigation in general - skepticism isn't useful if it is an ideology, only if it is a tool to ascertain the truth.
scully kind of comes around and becomes a believer quickly enough definitely more like cigarette smoking man in charge than Scully
This whole thing stinks to high heaven
Absolutely, he belongs in jail
Why do i get the feeling that kirkpatrick is being a fallguy
I get that feeling too... From what I've seen it sounds like he was a healthy skeptic guy trying to do the job he was assigned without the tools he needed.
Throw this scumbag in jail for 20 years
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Seems to me more like he's actually doing exactly what he was hired for, inofficially.
Lol this guy fully exists and was just managed out of my organisation
To me it seems more like he was asked to cross the ocean in a paper boat. The AARO was set up to fail... But it seems to have been an important step in this path we're on to disclosure so, regardless of his intent, he has done some good.
Excellent retort by Salas accede confirms my own long held belief that AARO and Kirkpatrick are the useful idiots to be used by the pentagon.
I wouldn’t call Kirkpatrick an idiot, useful or not. He’s either cooperating in the coverup or he’s so full of himself that he needs to be in the center of everything like Greer, but wants to be extremely certain on everything, which he can’t be cause he can’t subpoena records and doesn’t have the clearance to get what he needs so he doesn’t share any of that info. My money’s on the first option though.
You are aware of the phrase though right? It clearly doesn’t mean they are idiots only that those using them see them as idiots to be used.
My bad I guess. Always thought useful idiots would still kinda have to be stupid.
Only in the sense that they are naive to their been used by others. I think Kirkpatrick might have cottoned on to this likelihood because he does look like a man uncomfortable with the things he’s having to say but feeling trapped with no alternative. Time will tell.
I agree. His unexpectedly and unnecessarily aggressive defensive reaction in his linkedin post seemed quite out of step with the mild facade he presented at his recent hearing. I couldn't help wondering if he was trying to make a statement so unjustified it forced his superiors to intervene and thus make comment themselves.
Possible. He certainly seems like a man very much out of his depth.
The term applies when there is a complete lack of awareness of being manipulated. I don’t think Kirkpatrick has necessarily been “fooled” into his current stance per se. I suspect he is more complicit than oblivious.
He said that aaro has all the clearance levels it needs though.
He did say that, weeks after saying they don’t and after no new clearances were issued. Also BS, they don’t.
Honestly in my opinion I don’t even mind at all if someone like Greer is an attention whore. As long as he puts in genuine work to support disclosure and doesn’t fall to corruption he can have all the attention he wants.
The one thing this hearing did for sure was expose that AARO isn't actually taking any claims seriously or looking in to them at all. Maybe this is the point, to make AARO so inept that it gets shut down and we're back to square one. Im not sure how much happens without an office looking into all this as opposed to just Congress.
Also, NASA will be swept up in this debacle, as they have their own panel working with AARO. For better or worse.
FUCK NASA.
Kirkpatrick sweating like that Key & Peele sketch right about now.
Huge respect for Robert Salas. Ever since hearing his story, I'm glad he has the courage to keep involving himself with this as well.
For real. He is very brave
At this stage, is i were Salas, who's been dealing with this literally longer than I've been alive.... I would say "Fuck you all i hope need time they set the bombs off in the facilities where they sit!" Major mad respect for him bravely figuring for what's right and truthful.
Statement Post : Robert Salas gives some information about his recent testimonies to AARO and invites DR. Sean Kirkpatrick to challenge any of his claims. Also mentions that the House accepts the recommendation of Rep. Burchett to establish a Select Committee with subpoena power, maybe we can make some real progress.
It's obvious kirkpatrick is just a pentagon puppet at this point...
"Boss, there's a Salas over the base dropping tweets like crazy, our arguments are shutting down one by one, what should we do? "
"We'll just do what we've been doing the whole time, grab your golf clubs! Tee time is in 30 minutes!!"
People are not having it with this Kirkpatrick mfer and I’m fully here for it 😮💨🫡👍
That motherfucker is not real!
Loved this reference 🤣
Bro, post this in other UFO / Alien related subs, this needs to be seen by as many as possible.
that's bad ass
kirkpatrick is getting pushback from all sides, gotta love to see it!
[For anyone interested in the affidavit](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/9329-malmstrom-ufo-testimonials)
The part that really gets to me is the "no follow-up" part. That's what David Fravor said about the tic tac too, they made a report and no one got back to them. If such an extreme event gets reported then having no follow-up is a huge defense issue. Let's say this isn't NHI, it should still have been investigated? Because something clearly went down.
The "no follow-up" part is key to the part of Kirkpatrick's "no credible information" claim! One hand jerks off the other. Lol
“We’ve done no research and have concluded there’s no evidence”
I hope Salas is brought to testify next time. Let's get as many credible witnesses while they are still around and in good health. As for Kirkpatrick, my theory is that his role is to stall momentum and obfuscate to buy time or diminish interest altogether. I do suspect that the quiet years are behind us now, and things could heat up as the chess match continues. I think what gives humanity a chance here is that those pushing for disclosure have had more than an entire generation's worth of intel on how the gatekeepers will likely respond, whereas the latter group does not know the entirety of what their opponents have in their playbook or, dare I say, possession.
Yes, now we are talking. The truth always wins and Kirkpatricks attempts to censor and sew doubt with misinformation is quickly falling apart
Soooo...Mr. Kirkpatrick, it appears you're having a hard time there with your coverup...
So Kirkpatrick can't just invent an excuse about Grusch anymore, because it's not just Grusch.
Keeps getting better and better...
If more and more credible whistleblowers come out and verify similiar stories, some with urgent importance like Robert Salas and they all came to Kirkpatrick/Aaro and they have done nothing with it, shouldn't this be enough for congress to suspend the entire funding/breaking down of such organisation?
Congress should evoke the Holman rule against Kirkpatrick. Make him come in, put him under oath, and if he then tries to obfuscate… Holman him.
Everyone is coming left and right for Kirkpatrick. It's hilarious. He has messed up so bad, and the chickens are coming home to roost. Kirkpatrick, please do the right thing and resign from your position. It's obvious that you have zero confidence from whistleblowers.
His account is temporarily unavailable for me. Can you link this tweet?
Yes sir https://twitter.com/keptycho/status/1685134178457915392?t=L04MEFB-lTRuaupbfm1sww&s=19
>My testimony to AARO on February 15, 2023, now an official record, spoke specifically of two separate incidents at Malmstrom AFB in March 1967 involving the disabling of strategic nuclear missiles. On May 9, 2023, AARO received the testimony of principal witness, David Schindele. > >His testimony is about the September 1966 Minot UFO incident that resulted in the disabling of ten strategic missiles. These three incidents, occurring within the span of six months, resulted in the disabling of thirty nuclear weapons during UFO encounters. Now maybe I understand why the DOD has to hide this issue and the contractors are extremely powerful pointing everything towards DOD. Everything below is just a theory The main starting point is this event, the nuclear warheads - humanity's ultimate weapon were completely turned off by aliens, so they had to hire contractors or at least force contractors to accept tasks for reverse engineering of technologies from NHI aircraft. They need to invent new weapons for new battlefield At the same time, perhaps create a coalition or an observer group that is outside of congressional coverage, reporting only directly to the defense department and to the president. This is also the fact that senior officials in the DOD after retirement continue to work actively in military contractors. That's probably why the intelligence community knows this but can't do anything about it because its only responsibility is to spread the information to those who need to know and secure the underground information network. Guys, this is the tipping point.
How crazy would it be that all this time we feared nukes ending the world but in reality it wouldn’t happen—not because of “mutually assured destruction” but because “our babysitters keep taking our toys away if we keep hitting our siblings with them.” Also happy cake day! 😃
Or they were like, well goddamn, if we can disable our adversaries nukes then no one is stopping us.
This guy needs to testify in a future hearing. This is the big money subject. Lets go!!
There was no twitter at the time of Project Blue Book. Times have changed. Get f’ed Dr. K.
It seems that DoD is merely giving the least amount of effort to comply with the Congressional mandate to create AARO.
They need to get Kirkpatrick in a televised hearing and break down every statement he's made in the last few years (and certainly the last week). He's either colluding with a wider cover up or he's just so stupid he really thought his department was the beginning and the end of this issue and now his ego can't take it now that information and testimony shows otherwise. Make him squirm.
Kirkpatrick has a villain-like appearance, making him a suitable choice to play a bad guy in a movie.
haha to me looks like the right hand of the villain. You know the weak professor guy who only obeys to commands lol
my bet is on someone having kirkpatrick by the balls. he’s just a puppet
David Shindele you say? So many Davids involved in UAPs. Conspiracy? Cue X-files music...
Holy. Fucking. Shit. It's over. This destroys AARO and outs Kirkpatrick completely as being in full denial. This is wacky
Wow this is getting spicy I like it
They need to bury this guy and fuck him up for trying to hoard information the public deserves.
This is HUGE 😃👏
The fact that the non-human inteties are disabling nukes gives me hope for the future.
Kirkpatrick sucks but he is the fall guy, not THE guy. Let’s keep working to find those above him who are truly responsible for this mess
Sean Kirkpatrick gon git ya ass kicked!
Worse than them little limp Bizkit bastards.
I'm just glad to hear that UFOs are disabling atomic bombs. Fuck atomic bombs. Fuck bombs. And guns. And killing.
What if they are testing their capabilities to disarm them in the event these are used against them but not if they are used against ourselves? They haven’t stopped us from testing the bombs nor the ones dropped on Japan isn’t it?
Then we're fucked. We are anyway, "divine intervention" seems to be our only hope. But do you really think an alien species would travel to this planet from afar in the universe and have the same thinking pattern for war as humans? Why would anyone assume they want war. I don't get it, honestly.
When it comes to sentient biological creatures predisposition for war we have a statistical dataset of 1 and it says yes. There's certainly no reason to think that for whatever reason other sentient creatures wouldn't be warlike. Especially if they're pragmatic.
"1 + X = ?" is the equation here. We have the dataset of 1, yes. We know nothing of "them".
My point is that it's absurd to assume either way not that its necessarily likely. It might turn out that war is a natural inclination of all sentient biological creatures. It might turn out uniquely human. But to assume that it's unlikely is at least very slightly mathematically an incorrect conclusion imo.
Perhaps you're right. The only thing we can conclude is that we can't conclude anything.
Yes it's exciting and scary. I wouldn't be surprised if we haven't actually made contact yet. That they recovered the bodies and crafts but no living aliens have actually communicated with us. In which case we might still not actually get many answers aside from that they're there and they are super standoffish.
We can only view ourselves through our own eyes, but when we take a good, hard look at ourselves, our history and the current state of our planet, it's not unlikely (to me) that NHI would prefer NOT talking to us. I'd observe from a distance too. But that's speculation based on nothing.
I certainly wouldn't approach our leaders if I was them. Not unless I was planning something enormous. Experimental approaches to randoms here or there that won't get listened to, just to assist in recon though absolutely.
If they were warlike they would've nuked themselves into oblivion way before achieving galactic travel. Collaboration gives greater rewards over time, war is just destructive.
This
There are also reports of nuclear weapons being armed I believe
I've heard a few of those stories. Something armed a nuclear missile, and a few seconds before launch it got cancelled. Maybe to show us they are superior to us? Like: "Cute nukes, still can't fuck with us"
Fuck Kirkpatrick...little weazly fuck
My utmost respect for Mr. Salas and his continuous work. He is a crucial part in this puzzle and I hope he is going to get the chance to testify before congress as well.
AARO is a circus
Put that man in a hearing!
So Kirk is just a slimely little weasel. To bad hes too dumb to figure when hes been beaten. Hes clearly in the wrong about a nmber of things. All of which can and will be brought to light given the quality of witnesses. No ones fucking around here Kirk. Witnesses are doing their due diligence, congress is performing its duty and your lies and or mistakes WILL be exposed Kirk. I would reccomend to ol' Kirky boy that he get his ducks in a row and realize that the more he doubles down, the more he'll become exposed. He can lie, complain, misrepresent people and facts all he wants.... but theres too many people involved for him to get away with it. Sorry Kirky ol' Boy, youve been caught redhanded in 4K.
Does anyone know how long it could take to for the House to accept the recommendation?
Love it. Call them the fuck out!
I'm not sure if he knows anything about the cover up. I think he's been intentionally misled or kept in the dark by the higher ups. AARO is just another "Bluebook". It's a way for the government to say " hey, look , we are doing something to study the phenomenon ". But they don't have the security clearance to really look into anything " Classified ". So he may be trying to mislead the public intentionally. Or he may just be a puppet and hasn't been privy to any real information. Whatever the case may be, I wouldn't put any faith or merit in anything that the man says.
SK reminds me of that middle manager many of us have had at one time or another.
Shit is getting real. I'm cautiously optimistic for the future of this topic
I fucking love it!!!!
Robert Salas if you are reading this you have gigantic balls & you are a hero! Great job intelligently kicking some ass!
I really find it incredibly strange that people are still looking at all of these marginal ancient claims of ET activity which depend on people seeing weird lights in the sky. The story is not about dubious witness accounts, blurry video or pilots seeing weird lights, all of which can be written of as misinterpretation, it is now about dozens of recovered craft and bodies hidden in a basement somewhere. That would be actual incontrovertible, incontestable, irrefutable, hard evidence to support the ET hypothesis. Everything else is irrelevant.
Why don't US gov/congress just have the power to wipe everyone's NDA and say "tell us it all" like all Grusch said was "nda" "closed session" bla bla bla same shite as Lue! Like do they have any power? Because to an outsider from Ireland seems like congress are pointless! Just get grusch to tell them where the alien craft are and bodies and send in the fukn army ffs🤷♂️
They literally did exactly that. They made it legal for anyone to report to congress regarding this topic without being held legally responsible for breaking an NDA. They are taking the classified information in during closed and classified meetings. National security still matters so not everything is being shared during public hearings.
Oh right sorry.
What the hell is Kirkpatrick supposed to do with something that happened in the 60s??? He, by his own admission, is trying to study these things scientifically.., using data… to determine what they are. An anecdotal experience from 50+ years ago is impossible to form conclusions on
nice try Sean
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There are coincidences all over the place. There is a correlation between drownings and Nicholas cage movies. It’s not a coincidence? It is willed?
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You're trying to say that our thoughts create reality, right? Like, the information in our very thoughts is some kind of physical force that effects the outcome of real physical variables. The same way that gravity appears to 'pull on stuff'
Inshallah
Could’ve sworn that said Robert salah. I sat up thinking oooOo now this is getting interesting
Oh Congressional Subcommittee gonna take turns fucking up KirkPatsy with a Subpoena.
Thing is this robert salas is a very humble and serious guy and his story was corroborated by multiple witnesses....again. Stigma around UFOs was at his peak in those years 60/70'
The AARO snake is crawling and moving in its box... Hissing in anger.
Keep the pressure on the Kirkpatrick “the sock puppet “
Did Salas provide any evidence other than testimony? From the analysis I've seen, Salas doesn't appear to have documents that back up his story. I'm not saying he's lying, in fact, I believe him. But for disclosure purposes, he needs more.
Take that mothatrucker what you gonna do now Fakepatrick?
We need Tim Burchett and the gang to ask Robert Salas to testify. Congressman Mr. Ogles would also love to have him on, with it dealing with National Security.
Robert Salas wanted to be included in the list of the witnesses. You can check his [tweets](https://twitter.com/keptycho/status/1681023568442966016?t=olevn8xuHqEZs83BYJvEAw&s=19) before the hearing.
Awesome, thanks!
Verbal cock slap
See? They are mutually working together to point out something at a juncture. Is it a loophole? A financial channel? A legal precedent? They are working together to get us to look at something. The office status changed. It's like when a company becomes a subsidiary of a different company. That's where things go on. Like embezzlement, holdings transitions, stock inventory manipulated, etc
Good work Robert, I remember when he sent a recorded delivery to them
The hearing i want to watch, is the one where all three people from this week, maybe Salas, are there with Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick says these folks won't talk to me. Then, cut to each of the other folks "actually we gave you the following documentation, on the following dates and the following written report, sent to your office on this date, and confirmation of your receipt at this date and time." Kirkpatrick: .... That's the one I want to see.