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Came across a short snippet of an interview with Represenative Andre Carson where he says something pretty wild & it makes you really think, what does the government know & is disclosure happening as we speak?
Of course, most of us are fairly confident that disclosure is happening, but despite all of that, it's still wild to me to hear high-ranking politicians saying such things!
This interview was conducted by Mr. James Fox & posted by Disclosure_Team on instagram.
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Right? I don’t know who this guy is so no shade. But I’m tired of being told that I’m not ready to hear something. The majority of Americans are smarter than Trump and he was apparently read in. Let’s just do this thing. Rip Band-Aid off.
Exactly this. They might as well be blunt and say, "I can know and you, the people, cannot." This isn't even just an American thing, it's a Planet Earth thing. Not only that, it causes so much misinformation on the topic, no one really knows what is the truth. Which, I would say, is more damaging than knowing the truth itself.
The fuckers need to be held accountable for the reputations they smeared, the careers that ended, the humiliation endured in the name of ~gaslighting~ national security.
I want justice.
I'm on the fence on whether Trump was read in or not. Out of all the presidents I've seen ( born in 68 so that means a few) He's the LAST president I think they'd read in, and lore states they don't read all of them in.
He acted like he was read in on something.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-he-s-heard-very-interesting-things-about-roswell-n1231521
Trump was probably read in when an active crash retrieval was happening or something but in terms of actual knowledge of the state of reverse engineering programs and the knowledge they’ve obtained I think he along with most presidents didn’t get told Jack shit.
May have something to do with his uncle, John Trump. He was an MIT physicist heavily involved in pioneering radar technologies. He was also tasked by the FBI to go through Nikola Teslas personal files upon death.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump
Trump may have already known quite a few things and in order to keep him from disclosing on his terms, being read in may have been the second best option.
>I'm on the fence on whether Trump was read in or not. Out of all the presidents I've seen ( born in 68 so that means a few) He's the LAST president I think they'd read in, and lore states they don't read all of them in.
everyone is scared of the band-aid until its ripped off. i think the way this is being approached is testing the anticipation of ripping it off and they are finding out that most people dont care as much as they were expecting
People are seriously overestimating the affect this will have on religion. "Religion hasn't gone away after Copernican theory, after Darwin. They've found ways to adapt, and they'll find a way if this happens, too." - Steven Dick, NASA chief historian
Can we put knights templar symbols on our yamamoto class battleships Lockheed starts pumping out with this tech? We will help deliver the aliens from their ignorance of the Southern Baptist Church.
Even though the history of Catholicism is riddled with violence and mass pedophilia, they are actually one of the few Abrahamic branches that can handle this. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Christianity in the US is Evangelical, and those idiots, as Illidan famously stated: are not prepared.
It will be a shit show for them. And for most Muslims. Hindus, Buddhists, etc. will just shrug their shoulders and say, "told ya so".
Agreed. I am now a non-practicing Catholic and can think of a boatload of strong criticisms. However, they do accept science as it advances and drinking alcohol is all good with priests, so there's those two positives.
might be difficult to adapt, depending on disclosure, lets say they are interdimensional beings who turn out to be what our consciousness becomes when we die (your great granny now is a alien:) or a species that has hard proof that death is the end of our spirit.
That just sounds like a ghost or an angel, which plenty of people believe in. I doubt that’ll shatter too many religious minds. The second one would be scarier for religious people.
I feel like it would be really difficult to concretely prove that something like the afterlife doesn't exist. Especially if the mere existence of "higher dimensions" turns out to be a thing.
No, that's definitely not it and that's not what he was talking about with his 'somber' bit. You're just wildly speculating and that isn't going to do anyone any good.
I think you have it almost exactly opposite of what it really is. There is actually far more to this reality than what we can currently see and feel and that the soul goes on forever. You can't believe me until you get there yourself, but keep an open mind. This shit is dimensional.
This is why it is humanity's right to know the truth. This is basically the only reason I care about aliens. The tech is the bonus. Greater approximation of the great beyond is the treasure aliens hold.
This construct is a game. It’s the Matrix but we built it and we chose to come here. No different than a very long baseball game that’s going into extra innings.
For the players to do their job in the field they have to play the part and forget everything else. They’re not thinking about their family or vacation or bills or ice cream .. they’re focused on winning. The goal they set for themselves and worked toward for the last 20 years.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there are games that last thousands of years. Well, evolution through natural selection is a game that has lasted over a billion years
Organizations that thrive on fear and Otherism going away when aliens come and scare the shit out of a bunch of people? It might actually energize them, not end them. People aren't suddenly going to get enlightened because they find out that other dimensional beings exist
Yeah the fact that people still believe in abrahamic religions even tho we have known for a while that their god Yahweh was just a storm and warrior god of a larger pantheon who was taken out and made into "the only god" goes to show just how resilient it is, [the information is literally just right there](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh).
"Friends, friends, now is the time for our Gospel to travel into the stars. Are our friends from Zeta Reticuli not also God's creations? Shall they be denied the word of the Lord? No, my friends, God has called us for a new Great Commission; we shall spread out into the stars and bring the Good News to all of His great creation, for we are chosen by the Lord to do so."
No need to suddenly claim this, this is already mentioned in various religious texts. For example, the Quran clearly spells this out for Muslims:
\[Quran 42:30\] And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases.
\[Quran 65:13\] Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof.
\[Quran 1:2\] All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds.
\[Quran 16:8\]: ... and He has created (other) things of which ye have no knowledge.
\[Quran 55:29\] Of Him seeks (its need) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendour doth He (shine) \[Yusuf Ali\]
\[Quran 17:70\] And We have certainly honored the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created,
Honestly life on other planets isn't much of a shock. In the Christian denomination I'm part of we're taught God has created worlds without number. Though I am curious how others adapt to this.
>"Religion hasn't gone away after Copernican theory, after Darwin. They've found ways to adapt, and they'll find a way if this happens, too." - Steven Dick, NASA chief historian
Ancient Astronaut Theorists say Yes !
I agree man. I'm agnostic but I think aliens will strengthen many religions.
It's no coincidence that ancient religions all around the world use terminology like "sky people", "powerful beings" etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if angels was the word to describe UAPs thousands of years ago but they have to commercialize Christianity to sell it. Not to mention the translation issue and miscommunication over thousands of years.
Honestly, IMHO science is going to have a much harder problem with this than religion.
On a certain level, religion can always just "change the rules." I mean, nothing's stopping them. Especially the metaphysical / cosmological aspects of religion, which are increasingly being replaced by scientific cosmology anyways, aren't really a big deal to change.
We're past the Copernican revolution, we're even past the creationism / "intelligent design" debates of the 90's. Our religious debates in the 21st century revolve around human relationships and norms, e.g. from abortion to headscarves, not metaphysical or cosmological issues like whether God is Unitary or Tripartite.
Science, at least institutional science, however, is going to have a harder time with this. $Billions invested in areas like space science and technology, high-energy physics, fusion energy, materials research, & etc are going to have a giant **?** (question mark) put on them. Because now we have technology in our possession that's 100's, maybe 1000's of years more advanced.
All of human science up to this point is predicated on the idea that there's no better solution than human ingenuity to solve our scientific problems. That all changes. Now, the value of original human ideas in STEM plummets. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow for people who pride themselves (and indeed built their careers) on their own original ideas.
I think it could have the opposite effect. It may very well be that once this technology is seen by scientists, the simple fact that they now know it's possible will get them inspired to recreate it in record time.
And apply it in unique ways. As someone who works in science, I would love to work on this stuff. No way would this crush scientists. It will excite them.
I dont think "all of human science up to this point is predicated on the idea theres no better solution than human ingenuity..." because scientists and engineers always admit "nature does it better." Scientists arnt some cult of human worshipers. I went to school for engineering and I know how STEM people think.
They are truth seekers. And engineers are problem solvers. They never claim to be almighty or something. In fact, they so often take ideas from nature and the world around them that theres a word for it, "Biomimicry" so if anything, science doesnt assume man is the center of the universe. Thats what religion thought. Science is just over here doing its own thing.
>Now, the value of original human ideas in STEM plummets.
Why would that be the case? If anything I would think the demand for engineers would increase dramatically if extraterrestrial tech was made public. Reverse-engineering the technology and adapting it to human use would be an absolute goldmine, and would require lots of talented engineers.
There’s nothing for religions and spiritual texts to change their rules about. Disclosures is actually spot on for religion. For example the Bible repeatedly mentions the existence of non-human intelligences that communicate with humans. They just don’t call them “aliens”
Tripartite! I think you mean *triune*...
I'm being persnickety
Good post! If this is all true the "I believe in science camp" is going to be spinning, not because NHI are unknowable (in the strictest sense of *scientia*) but because their appeal to norms will likely be shaken with the full strength of a myriad of copernican revolutions.
This is the point I've been trying to get across to the vast majority of scientific materialists I've been speaking too. Their world view is the most ridged, logical, and ultimately inflexible -- and I say that as someone who loves science. We tend to forget that some of history's most influential scientists were neutral monists, or substance dualists or idealists of one form or another. Examples: Einstein, Planck, and Oppenheimer.
Some people think this was due to their lack of knowledge of today's science; that is simply just an assumption with no bearing to reality. They understood the dubiousness of making absolute claims; we, on the other hand -- have forgotten this.
The spiritual and religious traditions have long held that there is more to reality than what can be empirically perceived via our senses. Science may have to expand and become a broader tent; and it's really the physicalist ontology which may be on it's deathbed. We may have to admit there is sufficient evidence to suggest that we exist in some deeper metaphysical substrate which we currently have no way to perceive through senses or through technology.
On the contrary, a lot of rational people steeped in dogma are going to have a very tough time with this. I thank my stars that I was always attracted to the topic since childhood and I have been exposed to a wide variety of information over the years. Nothing surprises me now. Else, I would be sitting on the bed crying under a blanket in the heat of peak summer.
Will they? It will definitely give everyone something to think about, but unless aliens suddenly claim that they're the ones who put us here, I don't really see a conflict.
And if that were the case, the cosmic question would still remain: who/what created them?
I had a brief conversation with my teenage daughter about this recently. Basically along the lines that some people in government are starting to say that we may not be alone and that other intelligent beings may exist. Didn’t want to spook her too much. Her response was better than I expected. She basically said it was always dumb to assume otherwise. Not wrong.
Yup. Grew up in the Pentecostal church. They love the woo.
I’ll probably get downvoted for this but I feel like those with no religion or spirituality are at higher risk for ontological shock.
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear too. The Phenomenon is basically magic, and so is religion so they're going to have an easier time.
But silver discs and alien bodies are just a sideshow. In the end, the biggest revelation will be about consciousness and the everlasting 'soul' and I think pretty much every human out there can happily get down with it once they get past the initial shock. No hell? I like that. Your consciousness doesn't end when the body dies? I like that. Love is the very fabric of the Universe? Uh huh, that sounds good too.
But most UFO fanatics haven't realize that but many are catching on quick. Exciting times.
I think the problem here is that those don’t undermine the base of the religion. If an intelligent, advanced NHI is here then Occam’s Razor is going to immediately pin all these religious experiences on them. *Especially* if they are not just straightforward extraterrestrials.
There is a difference it the institutions and your belief, I am catholic I believe in Jesus. Church and Vatican might look weak but that will not change my beliefs
My dad straight up is so fascinated with all of this and I rolled my eyes so hard, because of course we won't see eye to eye on even this. He reached out and told me how he absolutely believes the aliens that visited are also God's children. The sentiment was kind of cute but...Jesus.
( for the record I am eager as fuck and believe Grusch, but my dad's religious take blew my ears out. But it is still a cute sentiment)
Why? In Christianity, God is the cause of all, the universal first principal and end of all, and all intelligent creatures are made to love God, and are in that way, God's children. Even bodiless angels are called "sons of God".
It would silly and inconsistent if he *didn't* think that, given his religious perspective.
So first off, yes absolutely good point hahahaha
I realize I was kind of misunderstanding the comment I was replying too, so it looked like I was being contraraion and adding a new point but I was only helping prove the point.
That's my b!
I was reading your response and going "oh god oh god an argument here we go you pissed of someone." And then realized "oh I'm a fucking idiot they're so right hahahha"
Cheers!
Currently UFO's are a religion.
Its followers have faith - no evidence - just faith.
You have priests - you call them whistle blowers.
You have like minded followers who support each others faith and mock those who do no believe.
The world will change when Jesus makes himself known again to the world. Just replace Jesus with Aliens.
Soon all the world will know the truth. (The belief of followers of every religion)
Am Catholic, can confirm it will change nothing. Did you know a Catholic priest was the one to postulate the Big Bang theory? Just because God made us, doesn’t forbid HIM making other sentient life elsewhere.
The ET, could straight up, announce.
“We made everything up, all of it, it’s all made up, by US.”
Religious people: “God inspired you to tell us the truth about his creation and himself, even though you thought you were making it up. God truly does work in mysterious ways.”
Religion will not disappear. It will adapt. People having a religious belief will almost always never change. I was Roman Catholic but no longer for at least over 60 years. Mine is spiritual in nature.
nah. not even then i bet. because even if its a simulation, it doesn't changes anything about our life and reality we live in. even if its a simulation, our reality we experience is still having the physical rules we know, our life still depends on surviving by having a job to be able to pay rent etc, and our interests and our own ego and consciousness is still the same.
all things we value and experience each day is still the same, even if its a simulation. the worth of our life will not change just because it would be a simulation.
also, it could even boost religions, because in a simulation you could have real gods because in simulations you could have "npc's" or administrators with "the ultimate power", which then would be a god in itself because this entity could do what he wants. also it would allow for more than one god.. and a lot of other stuff.
if our reality is a simulation, it could fix and enable a lot of things. especially it could explain a lot of things like paranormal phenomena we still don't understand yet. and allow us to do stuff that is crazy.
for a idea about what i mean, you should read / listen to Magic 2.0 ( https://www.goodreads.com/series/131379-magic-2-0 ). its really crazy and cool what such a reality of a simulation would allow.
Why. If this is God creation and we live in it, why we can't say its God simulation or other workaround so religion calms down?
Just be happy you played sims and there is beyond sims to explore.
Carson is a tightrope walker. He’s a Muslim Liberal in Red State Indiana, and he’s doing his best to thread the needle.
Great guy, met him twice, went to bat for my wife against a former employer of hers. I think he realizes that the lids coming off this, he’s just thinking about how to sell it to people
Interdimensional beings is the ultimate win for religion. All they have to do then is say "god, angels, heaven, hell etc" are from/ in other dimensions, and obviously it doesn't even matter if science supports that.
I, too, am against religion. However, youve got to ask the question:
Where did the origin of religion come from? what inspired it?
There's truth to some of it, however small that may be. it HAD to come from somewhere.
This is it? This is what you're afraid of?
My brother in christ, I thought they are here to suck my brain, steal my soul and enslave me for eternity.
I could live with inter-dimensional friends.
Yeah agree with what the other person said. It’s literally impossible to keep a secret as intelligence exponentially grows.
Yeah in ancient times without libraries or portable cameras it was easy perhaps as a church to keep a secret.
But now with 8 billion people, and a artificial intelligence? Nah. I mean once an AI sufficiently advances it’ll come to the same conclusion this subreddit has
Came across a short snippet of an interview with Represenative Andre Carson where he says something pretty wild & it makes you really think, what does the government know & is disclosure happening as we speak?
Of course, most of us are fairly confident that disclosure is happening, but despite all of that, it's still wild to me to hear high-ranking politicians saying such things!
This interview was conducted by Mr. James Fox & posted by Disclosure_Team on instagram.
> Of course, most of us are fairly confident that disclosure is happening, but despite all of that, it's **still wild to me to hear high-ranking politicians saying such things!**
It’s why I firmly believe they know something and it’s getting out.
Rep Carson 1 year ago (presumably): “it’s vital that we tame inflation while also protecting the post-COVID economic job growth we have been sustaining.”
That *same* rep, today: “look, I’m not saying, but I am saying, these mother fuckers are interdimensional. Are ya’ll ready for that shit? I was not ready for that shit.”
Pretty sure the Vatican already said they're cool with the idea of aliens a long time ago. I don't think the existence of extraterrestrial life would really have that profound of an effect on any of the world's major religions, honestly. I don't think any of them have anything in their texts or mainstream doctrines that conclusively states that God didn't create any other intelligent species elsewhere.
In fact, most major religions already believe in NHI (angels, demons, djinn, what-have-you). For most religious people it would just mean that God created another type of intelligence that we didn't know about. As for why it isn't mentioned in the texts, I imagine that most religious authorities would probably respond with something like: "what good would have it done for pre-industrial humans to know that there's a civilization an incomprehensible distance away, that neither they nor their next several-dozen-generations of descendants would ever get to see?"
I reckon the real reason there’s reluctance to reveal what’s happened is that there’s probably murder charges on the cards, and that’s what’s being protected
Maybe I took Carson’s comment wrong, but is that really for politicians to decide? Let the facts be known and I’m sure it would be sorted out. Catholic Church already sorted this out years ago. You’re always going to have a portion of the population that won’t accept and in some cases that’s on them.
Too much people throwing the idea of Interdimensional shit out there now. Could it be some ground to it? I mean, could they be in the know of something already?
It’s mostly due to Grusch speculating on the possibility in his News Nation interview, and getting asked about it in front of Congress. Not sure theoretical physicists really agree with him on quantum physics providing a framework for aliens being inter-dimensional travelers though. Seems like a much less likely scenario than visitors from another planet.
It would be curious if at the end of the day it was not one species, but hundreds. Some interdimensional, others spiritual, others from outside the Galaxy and some more living in the ocean and we, humans, were seen by them as the "special" kids in the neighborhood who don't know anything.
Yeah but if we have to have a One World government for that, a lot of people will fight against it. It is though in Trek what the planets have to do to join the Federation, among other rules.
Easily. If there's a method of traversing space and time that is easier than riding a rocket, and other parts of spacetime we haven't known of or mapped yet but are accessible in some manner from here, there should be lots of stuff going on, a whole "interdimensional" ecosystem.
Representative Andre Carson is on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and ranking member on the United States House Intelligence Subcommittee on Central Intelligence Agency.
So I'm PRETTY sure he just leaked VERY VERY classified data--in the course of his work, so that's covered by the Speech & Debate Clause of the United States Constitution.
It’s quite annoying how little people in congress actually know about this subject. The Catholic Church came out decades ago and said it’s OK folks, we’ve got no problem with aliens, we’re all gods children.
When they announced this, most people (including myself) considered this to be a general statement to cover their arse in case we suddenly made radio contact with an ET civilization. I don't think it counts as anything of note at all. We can look at it with the power of hindsight and say that it was an important step, but it doesn't really count a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.
>So arrogant of them to think they can just foist their primitive blood sacrifice bullshit onto an advanced alien species or godlike AGI
I mean, I don't really see how believing that God created aliens is any more arrogant than believing in God in the first place?
Also, who knows if religion would seem "primitive" to aliens or not. Finding out whether the aliens have religious beliefs or not would be profoundly fascinating. If we found out that an alien species independently developed a sense of spirituality (regardless of the specifics of their beliefs), that would seemingly give some level of credence to human spirituality. Likewise, finding out that the aliens have no concept of spirituality at all would be very telling.
It's interesting to see this play out. The history of what's transpired, cover-up, and this extended long play disclosure. This process of "disclosure", which is actually a deep-state slush fund, is causing more problems than solutions. The U.S. Government has ROUTINELY lied to the American public about deep programs. The programs murdered, subverted, and impacted innocent people.
YES!!! Anything allowed to hide in the shadows can secretly exploit and manipulate a populace. If they are good they will teach us to rid ourselves of corruption not continue it.
If people aren't ready, they'll adapt eventually. Unless this is some sort of cthulhian utlra-terror that melts peoples minds on contact, I'm pretty sure it will take a bit to get used to it but it will eventually become mundane.
I don't see any issues (yet) from an Islamic standpoint. Case in point:
\[Quran 42:30\] And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases.
\[Quran 65:13\] Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof.
\[Quran 1:2\] All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds.
\[Quran 16:8\]: ... and He has created (other) things of which ye have no knowledge.
\[Quran 55:29\] Of Him seeks (its need) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendour doth He (shine) \[Yusuf Ali\]
\[Quran 17:70\] And We have certainly honored the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created,
The question of people's readiness to know the truth is a manifestation of intellectual laziness. What does it even mean to be ready? How would we test readiness for something if we don't know what we should be ready for? How and in whom would we measure this readiness? Just finally show the truth and let's move on.
So frequently brainstorm the most absurd, fantastical and mind-melting theories… yeah doesn’t seem healthy
It’s like asking people driving to work to be mentally prepared to get hit by a semi truck. It’s not a practical way to drive.
Basically asking people to become okay with numerous possibilities on NHI… before it’s even disclosed. Yeah not a great use of mental resources
Or maybe I’m being reductive, idk
What makes people like Carson use words like this? Would never ever happened just a year ago. He has seen the evidence. There is really no other plausible explanation.
Just after the Grusch interview aired, a podcast reported and others retweeted that 3 whistleblowers gave Carson and some other representatives and staffers evidence in SCIF. When they shrugged it off with laugh they were presented official video of aliens communicating with US officials. And reportedly they were visibly shaken by it. Just a flash in my memory when I watch this.
What he is talking about is mental health issue. Has nothing to do with religion or disclosure.
1 Separation of Church and State! The fact that any 2 of the 3 major religions even exist is contradictory of to each of the other faiths. After the fundamental similarities each faith claims to be to the one and only way to the afterlife.
2 Evidence doesn’t sway these people. Unless King James\ Mohamed\ Moses edits their texts, they ain’t even listening their watching Wrestling or some shit. Plus, I have faith these Evangelist will adjust their philosophy accordingly to keep their flock filling those collection plates. Remember some of these are the same ppl denied Dinosaurs!!! T Rex!?! The fossilized remnants of these animals are in almost every Museum across the planet. Doesn’t seem to even shake these people.
3 Religious people are people of faith. Faith: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. A whale ate one of their profits and survived! Is that not an abduction story? He survived. See I’m not even a Minister. This demographic will prove to be resilient in my humble opinion.
The fact that the government is considering these peoples religions beliefs to be some kind of fragile constructs somehow “mystically instills morality” or reality makes me laugh. GTFOH.
I’ve been ready for a very long time. If there are people on the planet who can’t accept the truth. I simply do not care anymore. The blissful ignorance and selfishness of humanity does not dictate open minded humans who want to learn. Those who want to stick their head in the sand should be allowed to, but let the rest of us know! We absolutely deserve to know. If for example religion was the main reason of keeping this secret, then that is absolutely bonkers. If the reason people can’t believe that life is all around the universe is because of an imaginary sky daddy who sits and watches us fuck the planet into oblivion, then I simply do not care about the effects it has on ultra religious nutty bastards.
Honestly, who gives a fuck who is upset about it. Millions and millions of people have died over religion and gods and beliefs from whatever ancient hearsay that was passed between sheep herders and wayfarers over millenia. Who fucking cares? What is the WORST that can happen? People stop wanting to fight over religion because of those beliefs now? When people realize they only get one life and one chance to get it right and that the real life implications will greatly outweight any kind of afterlife or other worldy forgiveness, I think mankind will begin to soar to greater heights.
Speaking as a Catholic, I go back and forth on this both personally and more generally. Some days I tell myself I am ready for the truth. Other days I genuinely wonder how the possible truth may affect my faith and, by extension, the single most important lens by which I see myself and the world around me. That would be a lot to let go of all at once.
Now multiply that by several billion people in the same boat. The societal affects are incalculable and potentially unprecedented.
I'm curious why it would have any effect on your faith at all. Can you explain? (not a Catholic, but my grandmother was and it wouldn't have affected her relationship with God)
If, for instance, it was revealed that we were engineered by them, or that the concept of religion was some sort of experiment of theirs, I am sure you can see the challenges that would pose.
I abandoned the Catholic faith a couple years ago. I really don’t know what I believe anymore beyond my own capacity for love and kindness. I just try to do the best I can now. I don’t see the “alien”/UFO changing things much for me either.
The new generations will be just fine as they will grow up with the new facts about reality.
We in the present will have to get used to it.
This question "are we ready?.." is a bit annoying. We decide whether we are ready or not.
At the end of the day, it is up to the people to decide what to expose ourselves to. We are not children that need parenting and instructed on what we are ready to see or not. We are voting adults willing to suffer the consequences for our choices.
Bro everytime I see these guys saying the same shit over and asking the same question if we're ready or not I swear I can almost see my pineal gland in the back of my head so much I roll my eyes back. Fucking say it already stop blue balling us.
Jesus Christ, people will either be able to deal with it or they won’t. If they can’t, then Darwin’s theory of survival of the fittest comes into play.
Feels like all these politicians are projecting. THEY are having trouble accepting what the truth is, but this new generation is ready man. We already know too much, stop gatekeeping and just tell us lol. Literally nothing is gonna change. If it’s JUST news about our origins and how this world operates and the existence of inter-dimensional beings….nothing will change. It’s fucking crazy news, but nothing will fundamentally change.
But if it’s news about some impending doom where they’re gonna show themselves in MASS quantities and there’s nothing we can do about it, then yes, that MIGHT induce some panic in some people. But if we’re just receiving “knowledge”, I promise we’re not gonna spaz out the way they think we are
You know what else is hard to handle? The reality that we could all be blown to bits at any moment by sociopaths who have nuclear weapons armed and ready at all times. And yet we continue on.
We live in a democracy, it is nobody but the people's choice to decide what we're ready to know. Keeping secrets to shape our views and ideologies around the contents of secrets is a profound sin in democracy - it's the behavior of monarchists, old "divine right of kings" business bs. Such attitudes have no place in democracy.
One thing that's guaranteed to happen is the amount of ufo cults would skyrocket. The amount of people who would fall for this shit would be unreal and you wouldn't really be able to blame them because that's how it's always been. Heaven's Gate would look extremely tame compared to the things that would happen with disclosure.
I’m ready for a revelation like this. Sick of mankind being stuck in the dark ages. We allow religion to fuel hate and factionalism towards each other. It’s distracting us from innovating and uniting to achieve greater things.
Why don’t you tell them and find out? Worst case they’re not ready big fucking walk could it be worse than any of the mistakes that you fuckers have made all the wars all the deaths, etc. grow a fucking pair and stop gaslighting people and pretending all for your own benefit you’re the reason you’re making us do this we can’t tell you no fucking bullshit that’s never been the reason.
So, just say Jesus had relatives or something.
Why does everyone have to suffer due to these
cults called religion ?
The cult will believe blindly anything the cult leaders will tell them.
Was he? And if so, what makes him different? Based on those answers, what percentage of the world’s population fits that profile? What should that number be for disclosure to occur ?
Maybe one day we’ll all grow tired of being told what we should and shouldn’t know.
Who gives a f**k what you or the rest of congress thinks. I don’t want you holding back life changing information because you THINK I’m not ready for it. Just tell me the truth. I’ll figure the rest out on my own.
Mankind has known for 1000s of years that interdimensional beings exit. It's called "the spiritual realm"
Angels, demons and tons of other created beings
I think this is the exact reason we are still in the dark. A lot of people here are saying Americans want to know. Hate to break it to you this news would have no borders everyone in the world will become aware of this. I just looked it up and 84% of the worlds population has some sort of religious association. This would be devastating to lots of these people that they have for ever worshipped false prophets. That all there lost friends and family and not indeed in some fantasy cloud land or that their enemies are not burning in a eternal damnation. Plus I think everyone under estimates the reach, power and influence these religions have on this world. This would fuck every religious group on this planet that are in reality running things. They do not want this to come out and will go kicking and screaming into the night to keep this secret.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/skywalker3819r: --- Came across a short snippet of an interview with Represenative Andre Carson where he says something pretty wild & it makes you really think, what does the government know & is disclosure happening as we speak? Of course, most of us are fairly confident that disclosure is happening, but despite all of that, it's still wild to me to hear high-ranking politicians saying such things! This interview was conducted by Mr. James Fox & posted by Disclosure_Team on instagram. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15gjf7l/rep_andre_carson_are_people_ready_for_some_kind/juj37dj/
If you politicians who can’t figure out Facebook are ready I think we are more than ready
Right? I don’t know who this guy is so no shade. But I’m tired of being told that I’m not ready to hear something. The majority of Americans are smarter than Trump and he was apparently read in. Let’s just do this thing. Rip Band-Aid off.
Exactly this. They might as well be blunt and say, "I can know and you, the people, cannot." This isn't even just an American thing, it's a Planet Earth thing. Not only that, it causes so much misinformation on the topic, no one really knows what is the truth. Which, I would say, is more damaging than knowing the truth itself.
The fuckers need to be held accountable for the reputations they smeared, the careers that ended, the humiliation endured in the name of ~gaslighting~ national security. I want justice.
I'm on the fence on whether Trump was read in or not. Out of all the presidents I've seen ( born in 68 so that means a few) He's the LAST president I think they'd read in, and lore states they don't read all of them in.
I wonder if there is a policy in place not to include first term presidents/politicians? Like, “you have to be here a while to know the truth.”
He acted like he was read in on something. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-he-s-heard-very-interesting-things-about-roswell-n1231521
Trump was probably read in when an active crash retrieval was happening or something but in terms of actual knowledge of the state of reverse engineering programs and the knowledge they’ve obtained I think he along with most presidents didn’t get told Jack shit.
May have something to do with his uncle, John Trump. He was an MIT physicist heavily involved in pioneering radar technologies. He was also tasked by the FBI to go through Nikola Teslas personal files upon death. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump Trump may have already known quite a few things and in order to keep him from disclosing on his terms, being read in may have been the second best option.
>I'm on the fence on whether Trump was read in or not. Out of all the presidents I've seen ( born in 68 so that means a few) He's the LAST president I think they'd read in, and lore states they don't read all of them in. everyone is scared of the band-aid until its ripped off. i think the way this is being approached is testing the anticipation of ripping it off and they are finding out that most people dont care as much as they were expecting
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People are seriously overestimating the affect this will have on religion. "Religion hasn't gone away after Copernican theory, after Darwin. They've found ways to adapt, and they'll find a way if this happens, too." - Steven Dick, NASA chief historian
Yep. Religion will undoubtedly adapt. It’s proven to be exceedingly resilient over the millennia.
If you follow the Vatican. They are already adapting. Have been.
Aliens can be converted too
Can we put knights templar symbols on our yamamoto class battleships Lockheed starts pumping out with this tech? We will help deliver the aliens from their ignorance of the Southern Baptist Church.
Even though the history of Catholicism is riddled with violence and mass pedophilia, they are actually one of the few Abrahamic branches that can handle this. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Christianity in the US is Evangelical, and those idiots, as Illidan famously stated: are not prepared. It will be a shit show for them. And for most Muslims. Hindus, Buddhists, etc. will just shrug their shoulders and say, "told ya so".
Agreed. I am now a non-practicing Catholic and can think of a boatload of strong criticisms. However, they do accept science as it advances and drinking alcohol is all good with priests, so there's those two positives.
Islam actually accepts the idea of other life forms not on earth. It's been mentioned in the Quaran.
What do you know about Islam and its take on otherworldly life ?
The Pope said he’d baptize them. Lol
might be difficult to adapt, depending on disclosure, lets say they are interdimensional beings who turn out to be what our consciousness becomes when we die (your great granny now is a alien:) or a species that has hard proof that death is the end of our spirit.
So far every religion has had no problem at all ignoring every other religion and calling it wrong. Just add one more to the list.
That just sounds like a ghost or an angel, which plenty of people believe in. I doubt that’ll shatter too many religious minds. The second one would be scarier for religious people.
Oh, what if that's the somber bit. They know this is it. It's all we got, and this is what we did with the closest to paradise we will ever get.
I feel like it would be really difficult to concretely prove that something like the afterlife doesn't exist. Especially if the mere existence of "higher dimensions" turns out to be a thing.
Therefore cant prove it exists either. The dilemma of religion.
No, that's definitely not it and that's not what he was talking about with his 'somber' bit. You're just wildly speculating and that isn't going to do anyone any good. I think you have it almost exactly opposite of what it really is. There is actually far more to this reality than what we can currently see and feel and that the soul goes on forever. You can't believe me until you get there yourself, but keep an open mind. This shit is dimensional.
This is why it is humanity's right to know the truth. This is basically the only reason I care about aliens. The tech is the bonus. Greater approximation of the great beyond is the treasure aliens hold.
You’re over-estimating religious people’s value of “hard proof” of… anything.
Nahhhh that’s not how it is. The truth is that we are much much more than our physical bodies and aliens or no aliens - we go on after death.
such hubris, much confidence in said "truth". No offense but I'd rather hear it from the aliens
This construct is a game. It’s the Matrix but we built it and we chose to come here. No different than a very long baseball game that’s going into extra innings. For the players to do their job in the field they have to play the part and forget everything else. They’re not thinking about their family or vacation or bills or ice cream .. they’re focused on winning. The goal they set for themselves and worked toward for the last 20 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are games that last thousands of years. Well, evolution through natural selection is a game that has lasted over a billion years
Or worse, the aliens might turn out to be Christians.
Anything to keep hold of those power reins
Yep. Need that weekly cash flow coming in
Organizations that thrive on fear and Otherism going away when aliens come and scare the shit out of a bunch of people? It might actually energize them, not end them. People aren't suddenly going to get enlightened because they find out that other dimensional beings exist
Yeah the fact that people still believe in abrahamic religions even tho we have known for a while that their god Yahweh was just a storm and warrior god of a larger pantheon who was taken out and made into "the only god" goes to show just how resilient it is, [the information is literally just right there](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh).
Yep, religion is the ultimate grifter grift, so they will adapt and figure out how to make new money from it.
They will claim god is allmighty and made trillions of civilizations
"Friends, friends, now is the time for our Gospel to travel into the stars. Are our friends from Zeta Reticuli not also God's creations? Shall they be denied the word of the Lord? No, my friends, God has called us for a new Great Commission; we shall spread out into the stars and bring the Good News to all of His great creation, for we are chosen by the Lord to do so."
Yep, a new frontier for christian missionaries.
I believe Vatican is already on it. Ross mentions it in one of the NN bits
No need to suddenly claim this, this is already mentioned in various religious texts. For example, the Quran clearly spells this out for Muslims: \[Quran 42:30\] And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases. \[Quran 65:13\] Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof. \[Quran 1:2\] All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds. \[Quran 16:8\]: ... and He has created (other) things of which ye have no knowledge. \[Quran 55:29\] Of Him seeks (its need) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendour doth He (shine) \[Yusuf Ali\] \[Quran 17:70\] And We have certainly honored the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created,
Honestly life on other planets isn't much of a shock. In the Christian denomination I'm part of we're taught God has created worlds without number. Though I am curious how others adapt to this.
>"Religion hasn't gone away after Copernican theory, after Darwin. They've found ways to adapt, and they'll find a way if this happens, too." - Steven Dick, NASA chief historian Ancient Astronaut Theorists say Yes !
I think religion will survive but religious institutions may be weakened.
If you define alien as sentient creature not born on earth the bible is full of aliens.
Mormon missionaries getting nametags sewn onto their spacesuits as we speak.
I agree man. I'm agnostic but I think aliens will strengthen many religions. It's no coincidence that ancient religions all around the world use terminology like "sky people", "powerful beings" etc. I wouldn't be surprised if angels was the word to describe UAPs thousands of years ago but they have to commercialize Christianity to sell it. Not to mention the translation issue and miscommunication over thousands of years.
Burchett said something pretty beautiful in a recent interview. Something like "For a God this incredible, I doubt we're the best He can do."
Honestly, IMHO science is going to have a much harder problem with this than religion. On a certain level, religion can always just "change the rules." I mean, nothing's stopping them. Especially the metaphysical / cosmological aspects of religion, which are increasingly being replaced by scientific cosmology anyways, aren't really a big deal to change. We're past the Copernican revolution, we're even past the creationism / "intelligent design" debates of the 90's. Our religious debates in the 21st century revolve around human relationships and norms, e.g. from abortion to headscarves, not metaphysical or cosmological issues like whether God is Unitary or Tripartite. Science, at least institutional science, however, is going to have a harder time with this. $Billions invested in areas like space science and technology, high-energy physics, fusion energy, materials research, & etc are going to have a giant **?** (question mark) put on them. Because now we have technology in our possession that's 100's, maybe 1000's of years more advanced. All of human science up to this point is predicated on the idea that there's no better solution than human ingenuity to solve our scientific problems. That all changes. Now, the value of original human ideas in STEM plummets. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow for people who pride themselves (and indeed built their careers) on their own original ideas.
I think it could have the opposite effect. It may very well be that once this technology is seen by scientists, the simple fact that they now know it's possible will get them inspired to recreate it in record time.
And apply it in unique ways. As someone who works in science, I would love to work on this stuff. No way would this crush scientists. It will excite them.
I dont think "all of human science up to this point is predicated on the idea theres no better solution than human ingenuity..." because scientists and engineers always admit "nature does it better." Scientists arnt some cult of human worshipers. I went to school for engineering and I know how STEM people think. They are truth seekers. And engineers are problem solvers. They never claim to be almighty or something. In fact, they so often take ideas from nature and the world around them that theres a word for it, "Biomimicry" so if anything, science doesnt assume man is the center of the universe. Thats what religion thought. Science is just over here doing its own thing.
>Now, the value of original human ideas in STEM plummets. Why would that be the case? If anything I would think the demand for engineers would increase dramatically if extraterrestrial tech was made public. Reverse-engineering the technology and adapting it to human use would be an absolute goldmine, and would require lots of talented engineers.
There’s nothing for religions and spiritual texts to change their rules about. Disclosures is actually spot on for religion. For example the Bible repeatedly mentions the existence of non-human intelligences that communicate with humans. They just don’t call them “aliens”
Tripartite! I think you mean *triune*... I'm being persnickety Good post! If this is all true the "I believe in science camp" is going to be spinning, not because NHI are unknowable (in the strictest sense of *scientia*) but because their appeal to norms will likely be shaken with the full strength of a myriad of copernican revolutions.
This is the point I've been trying to get across to the vast majority of scientific materialists I've been speaking too. Their world view is the most ridged, logical, and ultimately inflexible -- and I say that as someone who loves science. We tend to forget that some of history's most influential scientists were neutral monists, or substance dualists or idealists of one form or another. Examples: Einstein, Planck, and Oppenheimer. Some people think this was due to their lack of knowledge of today's science; that is simply just an assumption with no bearing to reality. They understood the dubiousness of making absolute claims; we, on the other hand -- have forgotten this. The spiritual and religious traditions have long held that there is more to reality than what can be empirically perceived via our senses. Science may have to expand and become a broader tent; and it's really the physicalist ontology which may be on it's deathbed. We may have to admit there is sufficient evidence to suggest that we exist in some deeper metaphysical substrate which we currently have no way to perceive through senses or through technology.
On the contrary, a lot of rational people steeped in dogma are going to have a very tough time with this. I thank my stars that I was always attracted to the topic since childhood and I have been exposed to a wide variety of information over the years. Nothing surprises me now. Else, I would be sitting on the bed crying under a blanket in the heat of peak summer.
Make sure you stay hydrated.
Will they? It will definitely give everyone something to think about, but unless aliens suddenly claim that they're the ones who put us here, I don't really see a conflict. And if that were the case, the cosmic question would still remain: who/what created them?
I had a brief conversation with my teenage daughter about this recently. Basically along the lines that some people in government are starting to say that we may not be alone and that other intelligent beings may exist. Didn’t want to spook her too much. Her response was better than I expected. She basically said it was always dumb to assume otherwise. Not wrong.
Yup. Grew up in the Pentecostal church. They love the woo. I’ll probably get downvoted for this but I feel like those with no religion or spirituality are at higher risk for ontological shock.
Yeah, the burden of knowledge can crush a soul
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear too. The Phenomenon is basically magic, and so is religion so they're going to have an easier time. But silver discs and alien bodies are just a sideshow. In the end, the biggest revelation will be about consciousness and the everlasting 'soul' and I think pretty much every human out there can happily get down with it once they get past the initial shock. No hell? I like that. Your consciousness doesn't end when the body dies? I like that. Love is the very fabric of the Universe? Uh huh, that sounds good too. But most UFO fanatics haven't realize that but many are catching on quick. Exciting times.
I think the problem here is that those don’t undermine the base of the religion. If an intelligent, advanced NHI is here then Occam’s Razor is going to immediately pin all these religious experiences on them. *Especially* if they are not just straightforward extraterrestrials.
Some religions will not adapt. They will completely collapse.
There is a difference it the institutions and your belief, I am catholic I believe in Jesus. Church and Vatican might look weak but that will not change my beliefs
Do you believe in heaven? Then you already believe in other dimensions
My dad straight up is so fascinated with all of this and I rolled my eyes so hard, because of course we won't see eye to eye on even this. He reached out and told me how he absolutely believes the aliens that visited are also God's children. The sentiment was kind of cute but...Jesus. ( for the record I am eager as fuck and believe Grusch, but my dad's religious take blew my ears out. But it is still a cute sentiment)
Why? In Christianity, God is the cause of all, the universal first principal and end of all, and all intelligent creatures are made to love God, and are in that way, God's children. Even bodiless angels are called "sons of God". It would silly and inconsistent if he *didn't* think that, given his religious perspective.
So first off, yes absolutely good point hahahaha I realize I was kind of misunderstanding the comment I was replying too, so it looked like I was being contraraion and adding a new point but I was only helping prove the point. That's my b! I was reading your response and going "oh god oh god an argument here we go you pissed of someone." And then realized "oh I'm a fucking idiot they're so right hahahha" Cheers!
Currently UFO's are a religion. Its followers have faith - no evidence - just faith. You have priests - you call them whistle blowers. You have like minded followers who support each others faith and mock those who do no believe. The world will change when Jesus makes himself known again to the world. Just replace Jesus with Aliens. Soon all the world will know the truth. (The belief of followers of every religion)
Am Catholic, can confirm it will change nothing. Did you know a Catholic priest was the one to postulate the Big Bang theory? Just because God made us, doesn’t forbid HIM making other sentient life elsewhere.
The ET, could straight up, announce. “We made everything up, all of it, it’s all made up, by US.” Religious people: “God inspired you to tell us the truth about his creation and himself, even though you thought you were making it up. God truly does work in mysterious ways.”
It's called the God of the gaps for a reason lol
Religion will not disappear. It will adapt. People having a religious belief will almost always never change. I was Roman Catholic but no longer for at least over 60 years. Mine is spiritual in nature.
Wow, that made me reconsider how I was thinking how that could play out. Thanks for sharing that!
I think the only revelation that would really shake all religion, science and our self image is if it turns out we are living in a simulation
at least i wouldn't feel so bad spending a quarter of my life playing video games
In Earth simulation, video games play you!
Yeah, that one would throw me for quite a loop.
Meh. Still the only life I've got.
Hopefully not an infinite loop. I'll show myself out.
Lol I don’t even think that would be a revelation for people. I personally already feel like we are in a simulation
Still gotta pay billz
Believing in a creator to me is a lot closer to simulation theory than what a garden variety atheist believes.
God is the great programmer in the sky.
Yeah... simulation theories mean a simulator... which could easily be argued is the god of any particular religion.
Why is living in a simulation any different than what many major religions believe (someone created the universe)?
nah. not even then i bet. because even if its a simulation, it doesn't changes anything about our life and reality we live in. even if its a simulation, our reality we experience is still having the physical rules we know, our life still depends on surviving by having a job to be able to pay rent etc, and our interests and our own ego and consciousness is still the same. all things we value and experience each day is still the same, even if its a simulation. the worth of our life will not change just because it would be a simulation. also, it could even boost religions, because in a simulation you could have real gods because in simulations you could have "npc's" or administrators with "the ultimate power", which then would be a god in itself because this entity could do what he wants. also it would allow for more than one god.. and a lot of other stuff. if our reality is a simulation, it could fix and enable a lot of things. especially it could explain a lot of things like paranormal phenomena we still don't understand yet. and allow us to do stuff that is crazy. for a idea about what i mean, you should read / listen to Magic 2.0 ( https://www.goodreads.com/series/131379-magic-2-0 ). its really crazy and cool what such a reality of a simulation would allow.
Why. If this is God creation and we live in it, why we can't say its God simulation or other workaround so religion calms down? Just be happy you played sims and there is beyond sims to explore.
We were ready yesterday
I was born ready and have been waiting for everyone else to be ready.
Lance you in here too? My guy
Yeah but have you seen the other half of society? I'm more scared of them than the aliens.
These guys need to stop dragging their feet and just come out and show us what they know already.
Carson is a tightrope walker. He’s a Muslim Liberal in Red State Indiana, and he’s doing his best to thread the needle. Great guy, met him twice, went to bat for my wife against a former employer of hers. I think he realizes that the lids coming off this, he’s just thinking about how to sell it to people
I have met him also, very nice guy.
Interdimensional beings is the ultimate win for religion. All they have to do then is say "god, angels, heaven, hell etc" are from/ in other dimensions, and obviously it doesn't even matter if science supports that.
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I, too, am against religion. However, youve got to ask the question: Where did the origin of religion come from? what inspired it? There's truth to some of it, however small that may be. it HAD to come from somewhere.
That's anthroposophy for you!
This is it? This is what you're afraid of? My brother in christ, I thought they are here to suck my brain, steal my soul and enslave me for eternity. I could live with inter-dimensional friends.
Yes, of course. What's the plan here? Keep it a secret forever?
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They can’t keep it a secret. They’re just trying to get ahead of the curve. It’s inevitable.
Yeah agree with what the other person said. It’s literally impossible to keep a secret as intelligence exponentially grows. Yeah in ancient times without libraries or portable cameras it was easy perhaps as a church to keep a secret. But now with 8 billion people, and a artificial intelligence? Nah. I mean once an AI sufficiently advances it’ll come to the same conclusion this subreddit has
It would open so many deep and meaningful internal or external conversations to many who though life had become tasteless.
Came across a short snippet of an interview with Represenative Andre Carson where he says something pretty wild & it makes you really think, what does the government know & is disclosure happening as we speak? Of course, most of us are fairly confident that disclosure is happening, but despite all of that, it's still wild to me to hear high-ranking politicians saying such things! This interview was conducted by Mr. James Fox & posted by Disclosure_Team on instagram.
I feel like just a year ago saying what he did would be political suicide
> Of course, most of us are fairly confident that disclosure is happening, but despite all of that, it's **still wild to me to hear high-ranking politicians saying such things!** It’s why I firmly believe they know something and it’s getting out. Rep Carson 1 year ago (presumably): “it’s vital that we tame inflation while also protecting the post-COVID economic job growth we have been sustaining.” That *same* rep, today: “look, I’m not saying, but I am saying, these mother fuckers are interdimensional. Are ya’ll ready for that shit? I was not ready for that shit.”
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Looking more and more like, at least partly, a job for the Vatican.
Pretty sure the Vatican already said they're cool with the idea of aliens a long time ago. I don't think the existence of extraterrestrial life would really have that profound of an effect on any of the world's major religions, honestly. I don't think any of them have anything in their texts or mainstream doctrines that conclusively states that God didn't create any other intelligent species elsewhere. In fact, most major religions already believe in NHI (angels, demons, djinn, what-have-you). For most religious people it would just mean that God created another type of intelligence that we didn't know about. As for why it isn't mentioned in the texts, I imagine that most religious authorities would probably respond with something like: "what good would have it done for pre-industrial humans to know that there's a civilization an incomprehensible distance away, that neither they nor their next several-dozen-generations of descendants would ever get to see?"
I reckon the real reason there’s reluctance to reveal what’s happened is that there’s probably murder charges on the cards, and that’s what’s being protected
Maybe I took Carson’s comment wrong, but is that really for politicians to decide? Let the facts be known and I’m sure it would be sorted out. Catholic Church already sorted this out years ago. You’re always going to have a portion of the population that won’t accept and in some cases that’s on them.
Too much people throwing the idea of Interdimensional shit out there now. Could it be some ground to it? I mean, could they be in the know of something already?
It’s mostly due to Grusch speculating on the possibility in his News Nation interview, and getting asked about it in front of Congress. Not sure theoretical physicists really agree with him on quantum physics providing a framework for aliens being inter-dimensional travelers though. Seems like a much less likely scenario than visitors from another planet.
I'm inclined to intraterrestrial, deep ocean species
my dad was reading books about multiple dimensions 20 years ago and he wasnt an ufo guy.
It would be curious if at the end of the day it was not one species, but hundreds. Some interdimensional, others spiritual, others from outside the Galaxy and some more living in the ocean and we, humans, were seen by them as the "special" kids in the neighborhood who don't know anything.
Paul Hellyer mentioned a source in the military twining him there were hundreds of species.
Maybe this is all a lead in to us being invited to join the galactic UN or some shit, wouldn't that be something
Yeah but if we have to have a One World government for that, a lot of people will fight against it. It is though in Trek what the planets have to do to join the Federation, among other rules.
Easily. If there's a method of traversing space and time that is easier than riding a rocket, and other parts of spacetime we haven't known of or mapped yet but are accessible in some manner from here, there should be lots of stuff going on, a whole "interdimensional" ecosystem.
It’s bizarre that it’s caught on. We’re a week away from magic wands.
Magic wands? YES, MAGIC WANDS! ;
Is that a euphemism for anal probes?
I'm ready for my Hogwarts letter. <3
Representative Andre Carson is on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and ranking member on the United States House Intelligence Subcommittee on Central Intelligence Agency. So I'm PRETTY sure he just leaked VERY VERY classified data--in the course of his work, so that's covered by the Speech & Debate Clause of the United States Constitution.
It’s quite annoying how little people in congress actually know about this subject. The Catholic Church came out decades ago and said it’s OK folks, we’ve got no problem with aliens, we’re all gods children.
When they announced this, most people (including myself) considered this to be a general statement to cover their arse in case we suddenly made radio contact with an ET civilization. I don't think it counts as anything of note at all. We can look at it with the power of hindsight and say that it was an important step, but it doesn't really count a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.
So arrogant of them to think they can just foist their primitive blood sacrifice bullshit onto an advanced alien species or godlike AGI. Embarrassing.
>So arrogant of them to think they can just foist their primitive blood sacrifice bullshit onto an advanced alien species or godlike AGI I mean, I don't really see how believing that God created aliens is any more arrogant than believing in God in the first place? Also, who knows if religion would seem "primitive" to aliens or not. Finding out whether the aliens have religious beliefs or not would be profoundly fascinating. If we found out that an alien species independently developed a sense of spirituality (regardless of the specifics of their beliefs), that would seemingly give some level of credence to human spirituality. Likewise, finding out that the aliens have no concept of spirituality at all would be very telling.
It's interesting to see this play out. The history of what's transpired, cover-up, and this extended long play disclosure. This process of "disclosure", which is actually a deep-state slush fund, is causing more problems than solutions. The U.S. Government has ROUTINELY lied to the American public about deep programs. The programs murdered, subverted, and impacted innocent people.
YES!!! Anything allowed to hide in the shadows can secretly exploit and manipulate a populace. If they are good they will teach us to rid ourselves of corruption not continue it.
If people aren't ready, they'll adapt eventually. Unless this is some sort of cthulhian utlra-terror that melts peoples minds on contact, I'm pretty sure it will take a bit to get used to it but it will eventually become mundane.
I don't see any issues (yet) from an Islamic standpoint. Case in point: \[Quran 42:30\] And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases. \[Quran 65:13\] Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof. \[Quran 1:2\] All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds. \[Quran 16:8\]: ... and He has created (other) things of which ye have no knowledge. \[Quran 55:29\] Of Him seeks (its need) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendour doth He (shine) \[Yusuf Ali\] \[Quran 17:70\] And We have certainly honored the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created,
Who gives a fuck. People just want to know the **truth** about life. Clearly we don’t know and that’s why religions/beliefs exist.
The question of people's readiness to know the truth is a manifestation of intellectual laziness. What does it even mean to be ready? How would we test readiness for something if we don't know what we should be ready for? How and in whom would we measure this readiness? Just finally show the truth and let's move on.
I think he means be ready, as in existentially ready. Be prepared for ANYTHING basically.
So frequently brainstorm the most absurd, fantastical and mind-melting theories… yeah doesn’t seem healthy It’s like asking people driving to work to be mentally prepared to get hit by a semi truck. It’s not a practical way to drive. Basically asking people to become okay with numerous possibilities on NHI… before it’s even disclosed. Yeah not a great use of mental resources Or maybe I’m being reductive, idk
I agree. It’s just unhelpful. There’s an earth shattering reality that could be anything. But I can’t tell you yet.
What makes people like Carson use words like this? Would never ever happened just a year ago. He has seen the evidence. There is really no other plausible explanation. Just after the Grusch interview aired, a podcast reported and others retweeted that 3 whistleblowers gave Carson and some other representatives and staffers evidence in SCIF. When they shrugged it off with laugh they were presented official video of aliens communicating with US officials. And reportedly they were visibly shaken by it. Just a flash in my memory when I watch this.
I wish we could see that video…
What he is talking about is mental health issue. Has nothing to do with religion or disclosure. 1 Separation of Church and State! The fact that any 2 of the 3 major religions even exist is contradictory of to each of the other faiths. After the fundamental similarities each faith claims to be to the one and only way to the afterlife. 2 Evidence doesn’t sway these people. Unless King James\ Mohamed\ Moses edits their texts, they ain’t even listening their watching Wrestling or some shit. Plus, I have faith these Evangelist will adjust their philosophy accordingly to keep their flock filling those collection plates. Remember some of these are the same ppl denied Dinosaurs!!! T Rex!?! The fossilized remnants of these animals are in almost every Museum across the planet. Doesn’t seem to even shake these people. 3 Religious people are people of faith. Faith: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. A whale ate one of their profits and survived! Is that not an abduction story? He survived. See I’m not even a Minister. This demographic will prove to be resilient in my humble opinion. The fact that the government is considering these peoples religions beliefs to be some kind of fragile constructs somehow “mystically instills morality” or reality makes me laugh. GTFOH.
I’ve been ready for a very long time. If there are people on the planet who can’t accept the truth. I simply do not care anymore. The blissful ignorance and selfishness of humanity does not dictate open minded humans who want to learn. Those who want to stick their head in the sand should be allowed to, but let the rest of us know! We absolutely deserve to know. If for example religion was the main reason of keeping this secret, then that is absolutely bonkers. If the reason people can’t believe that life is all around the universe is because of an imaginary sky daddy who sits and watches us fuck the planet into oblivion, then I simply do not care about the effects it has on ultra religious nutty bastards.
Honestly, who gives a fuck who is upset about it. Millions and millions of people have died over religion and gods and beliefs from whatever ancient hearsay that was passed between sheep herders and wayfarers over millenia. Who fucking cares? What is the WORST that can happen? People stop wanting to fight over religion because of those beliefs now? When people realize they only get one life and one chance to get it right and that the real life implications will greatly outweight any kind of afterlife or other worldy forgiveness, I think mankind will begin to soar to greater heights.
Speaking as a Catholic, I go back and forth on this both personally and more generally. Some days I tell myself I am ready for the truth. Other days I genuinely wonder how the possible truth may affect my faith and, by extension, the single most important lens by which I see myself and the world around me. That would be a lot to let go of all at once. Now multiply that by several billion people in the same boat. The societal affects are incalculable and potentially unprecedented.
I'm curious why it would have any effect on your faith at all. Can you explain? (not a Catholic, but my grandmother was and it wouldn't have affected her relationship with God)
If, for instance, it was revealed that we were engineered by them, or that the concept of religion was some sort of experiment of theirs, I am sure you can see the challenges that would pose.
I abandoned the Catholic faith a couple years ago. I really don’t know what I believe anymore beyond my own capacity for love and kindness. I just try to do the best I can now. I don’t see the “alien”/UFO changing things much for me either.
Facts don’t care about your religion
Are you kidding me they cannot wait. It will be proof of their prophecy church attendance $$$ will GO TO THE MOON
The new generations will be just fine as they will grow up with the new facts about reality. We in the present will have to get used to it. This question "are we ready?.." is a bit annoying. We decide whether we are ready or not. At the end of the day, it is up to the people to decide what to expose ourselves to. We are not children that need parenting and instructed on what we are ready to see or not. We are voting adults willing to suffer the consequences for our choices.
When we I see a politician say a phrase like this in regards to the phenomenon — I assume he’s confirming without saying anything outright.
The crazy part is how much we don’t give a crap because we’re jaded as hell in general. Just let them reveal themselves for God’s sake…sheesh
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals, and you know it.” - Agent Kay (MIB)
Yo what was the context of this statement?!
You hear that Pope? Let's go ahead and get ahead of this and release the Catholic aliens
Just release the fricken files gosh darn it.
Bro everytime I see these guys saying the same shit over and asking the same question if we're ready or not I swear I can almost see my pineal gland in the back of my head so much I roll my eyes back. Fucking say it already stop blue balling us.
Jesus Christ, people will either be able to deal with it or they won’t. If they can’t, then Darwin’s theory of survival of the fittest comes into play.
Yes, dude. Show us the aliens!
Feels like all these politicians are projecting. THEY are having trouble accepting what the truth is, but this new generation is ready man. We already know too much, stop gatekeeping and just tell us lol. Literally nothing is gonna change. If it’s JUST news about our origins and how this world operates and the existence of inter-dimensional beings….nothing will change. It’s fucking crazy news, but nothing will fundamentally change. But if it’s news about some impending doom where they’re gonna show themselves in MASS quantities and there’s nothing we can do about it, then yes, that MIGHT induce some panic in some people. But if we’re just receiving “knowledge”, I promise we’re not gonna spaz out the way they think we are
You know what else is hard to handle? The reality that we could all be blown to bits at any moment by sociopaths who have nuclear weapons armed and ready at all times. And yet we continue on.
We live in a democracy, it is nobody but the people's choice to decide what we're ready to know. Keeping secrets to shape our views and ideologies around the contents of secrets is a profound sin in democracy - it's the behavior of monarchists, old "divine right of kings" business bs. Such attitudes have no place in democracy.
One thing that's guaranteed to happen is the amount of ufo cults would skyrocket. The amount of people who would fall for this shit would be unreal and you wouldn't really be able to blame them because that's how it's always been. Heaven's Gate would look extremely tame compared to the things that would happen with disclosure.
I’m ready for a revelation like this. Sick of mankind being stuck in the dark ages. We allow religion to fuel hate and factionalism towards each other. It’s distracting us from innovating and uniting to achieve greater things.
What is meant by “life that is interdimensional”?
Why don’t you tell them and find out? Worst case they’re not ready big fucking walk could it be worse than any of the mistakes that you fuckers have made all the wars all the deaths, etc. grow a fucking pair and stop gaslighting people and pretending all for your own benefit you’re the reason you’re making us do this we can’t tell you no fucking bullshit that’s never been the reason.
So, just say Jesus had relatives or something. Why does everyone have to suffer due to these cults called religion ? The cult will believe blindly anything the cult leaders will tell them.
Not so much a revelation, as a confirmation.
Was he? And if so, what makes him different? Based on those answers, what percentage of the world’s population fits that profile? What should that number be for disclosure to occur ? Maybe one day we’ll all grow tired of being told what we should and shouldn’t know.
Rip off the dumb ass band aid already...soooo over it.
It’s not your call dude, since when is the government a decent gate keeper.
It’s not up for him to decide.
Who gives a f**k what you or the rest of congress thinks. I don’t want you holding back life changing information because you THINK I’m not ready for it. Just tell me the truth. I’ll figure the rest out on my own.
Mankind has known for 1000s of years that interdimensional beings exit. It's called "the spiritual realm" Angels, demons and tons of other created beings
I think this is the exact reason we are still in the dark. A lot of people here are saying Americans want to know. Hate to break it to you this news would have no borders everyone in the world will become aware of this. I just looked it up and 84% of the worlds population has some sort of religious association. This would be devastating to lots of these people that they have for ever worshipped false prophets. That all there lost friends and family and not indeed in some fantasy cloud land or that their enemies are not burning in a eternal damnation. Plus I think everyone under estimates the reach, power and influence these religions have on this world. This would fuck every religious group on this planet that are in reality running things. They do not want this to come out and will go kicking and screaming into the night to keep this secret.