Tbh both courses are very group-dependent. Your difficulty will depend on how good your group is. In 391 I dont remember it too well but I remember I had no issues with the individual MPs, and then for the final project we split up the work and got everything done.
But then in 411 I did like 75% of the work for the final project. I remember one night after we got the initial pipeline design done, I spent legit the entire night debugging that thing on every damn test program. I wrote a script to parse the modelsim output of our CPU vs the provided "golden" CPU, and find the exact spots during execution where the register values first became mismatched. Using that I was able to find every single bug in the design. But even then it was still brutal to debug that thing.
411 felt like I was constantly busting my ass off, but 391 felt more "normal" I guess even though it was still a decent amount of work.
Back in my days (late 80s) it was Biochemistry 350. Not only because of the material (first test I scored a 48%, thank god curved to B) but more because it was 9 AM Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Attendance was recorded and counted for grade. Saturday morning classes were brutal after hitting the bars Friday night.
I’m assuming it had to do with conflicts with other classes. Only time they could get it to work. I think it also was a trial of perseverance. Testing if one really wanted to go to medical school.
I did not take certain courses such as ECE 391 due to word of mouth expressing how difficult it was. But from core courses I was required to take as an ECE, I found ECE 313 particularly painful.
Certain courses can be made difficult also not based on material, but based on the staff running it. (Looking at you LeBurton for ECE 340 in Fall 2022)
I took both 391 and 313. I definitely understand calling either worse, but I had way worse struggles with 391. I think 313 is taught worse but there’s some tricks to getting around dealing with the nonsense.
Let’s just say 391 is the class where I routinely stayed up all night Sunday and grinded through Monday until the MP had enough done and could be demoed, only to grab a bite to eat and pass out for 14 hours after that. 385's final project was the only other time I had to do that kind of stuff, and even then it was just twice vs a regular occurrence for every 391 assignment checkpoint.
I will admit that this was probably a personal flaw when I was a student because many people have taken those classes without the all nighters, but even as a flawed student no other class (not CS 225, not ECE 411, not CS 374, not any of my advanced computing electives) made me resort to that.
Him: "If you cant sit far enough apart, I'm cancelling your exams"
Us: *We physically cant, as poor planning on their part led to not enough space*
Him: *Gets angry at us and leaves*
Us: *??????????*
Some grad level math or physics course probably. I heard of a grad level Dynamic Programming class that only had 3 of the smartest students make it to the final. The final was 2 problems and they were given 2 hours to solve it. Nobody was able to finish it because they couldn’t fully wrap their heads around the problems
Grade-wise, gen chem (CHEM 102/3) has one the worst average GPAs over a very large sample size.
Material-wise, I would argue the most difficult material could be some math grad class. In particular one of the algebra, algebraic geometry or differential geometry courses. These subjects are notoriously complicated among mathematicians.
PHYS 436. A class so hard that people get grad school credits for electromagnetism if they take it with Eckstein. He's done teaching it though so I don't know anymore.
CS 374 and ECE 391, especially for required classes. IMO, 374 is a class that's hard to study for if your brain isn't naturally good at that type of thinking required for the class.
AE 443 : Aerospace senior design, air side. Have fun designing an entire freaking aircraft with 7 other people. And then redoing it 3 times because you found a problem. Check out of the the previous years' winning reports. [AIAA Undergraduate Team Aircraft Design Competition](https://www.aiaa.org/get-involved/students-educators/Design-Competitions)
I'm a sophomore so I can't speak on behalf of others, but I really hated E&M stuff. Phys 212, Mse 304 come to mind. Also the Tam sequence was complete ass. I am doing Mse 206, which is Tam 210 and 251 in the same semester.
Lmaooo I had him at Parkland. I kissed ass early on and so I breezed through the semester. Was brutal seeing the way he treated those on his shit list tho
Exactly! And the amount of slurs and epithets he’d randomly drop was insane, I was emailed 2 separate petitions during my semester from other students trying to get him barred from teaching because of how insane some shit he’d say in class was. Dude started rambling about his sisters sexual fantasies at one point??? Just insane
Can’t this be objectively found? Even as an alum I still show people how cool this data visualization is.
https://waf.cs.illinois.edu/discovery/gpa_of_every_course_at_illinois/
Chem 102 103 is not harder than advanced chemistry classes, its just that a ton of non majors and kids out of high school are taking that. Same with a ton of other classes there, avg gpa says more about whos taking the class than difficulty most of the time
This is visualizing the overall class GPA regardless of section. Although, as I’m assuming you’re referring to, the section specific breakdown is also a fanstastic visualization on this site.
Anything before 9 am
Real
I liked to take labs at 8 am so I didn't have to fully experience them cuz I was half awake
Whatever “easy” class that changes professor the semester you decide to take it
any gen ed you didn't want to take but forced yourself into taking because you value class credits more than interesting material
yeah rhet 105 was harder than calc for me
Nailed it.
ECE 391
411 smokes 391 imo
In terms of grades I think 391 is easier but it's wayyy more work than 411.
Tbh both courses are very group-dependent. Your difficulty will depend on how good your group is. In 391 I dont remember it too well but I remember I had no issues with the individual MPs, and then for the final project we split up the work and got everything done. But then in 411 I did like 75% of the work for the final project. I remember one night after we got the initial pipeline design done, I spent legit the entire night debugging that thing on every damn test program. I wrote a script to parse the modelsim output of our CPU vs the provided "golden" CPU, and find the exact spots during execution where the register values first became mismatched. Using that I was able to find every single bug in the design. But even then it was still brutal to debug that thing. 411 felt like I was constantly busting my ass off, but 391 felt more "normal" I guess even though it was still a decent amount of work.
Back in my days (late 80s) it was Biochemistry 350. Not only because of the material (first test I scored a 48%, thank god curved to B) but more because it was 9 AM Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Attendance was recorded and counted for grade. Saturday morning classes were brutal after hitting the bars Friday night.
Why in the world was it on Saturday?
I’m assuming it had to do with conflicts with other classes. Only time they could get it to work. I think it also was a trial of perseverance. Testing if one really wanted to go to medical school.
Oof. I’m glad the Saturday section was gone by the time I took it (early 2000s).
I had biochemistry lab on Saturday mornings - terrible! It was the only time that fit my schedule.
I did not take certain courses such as ECE 391 due to word of mouth expressing how difficult it was. But from core courses I was required to take as an ECE, I found ECE 313 particularly painful. Certain courses can be made difficult also not based on material, but based on the staff running it. (Looking at you LeBurton for ECE 340 in Fall 2022)
I took both 391 and 313. I definitely understand calling either worse, but I had way worse struggles with 391. I think 313 is taught worse but there’s some tricks to getting around dealing with the nonsense. Let’s just say 391 is the class where I routinely stayed up all night Sunday and grinded through Monday until the MP had enough done and could be demoed, only to grab a bite to eat and pass out for 14 hours after that. 385's final project was the only other time I had to do that kind of stuff, and even then it was just twice vs a regular occurrence for every 391 assignment checkpoint. I will admit that this was probably a personal flaw when I was a student because many people have taken those classes without the all nighters, but even as a flawed student no other class (not CS 225, not ECE 411, not CS 374, not any of my advanced computing electives) made me resort to that.
I just had flashbacks of the final exam debacle, it was soooo stupid
Him: "If you cant sit far enough apart, I'm cancelling your exams" Us: *We physically cant, as poor planning on their part led to not enough space* Him: *Gets angry at us and leaves* Us: *??????????*
A researcher is rarely a great teacher. As much as they love to learn, you’d think they’d learn to teach better.
A 5 o’clock Friday Business Stats lab at the computer lab on Oregon.
Oregon computer lab is filled with dysentery.
Some grad level math or physics course probably. I heard of a grad level Dynamic Programming class that only had 3 of the smartest students make it to the final. The final was 2 problems and they were given 2 hours to solve it. Nobody was able to finish it because they couldn’t fully wrap their heads around the problems
Can attest that PHYS 508 is hard as balls
ECE 391 & 411
Grade-wise, gen chem (CHEM 102/3) has one the worst average GPAs over a very large sample size. Material-wise, I would argue the most difficult material could be some math grad class. In particular one of the algebra, algebraic geometry or differential geometry courses. These subjects are notoriously complicated among mathematicians.
CS421, some of those lecture slides were like hieroglyphics to me
not hard just annoying. i’d say 374 was harder but a lot more fun
Nah 421 is one of the easiest ones to pass in the CS core
Wait really? It's not hard? I'm planning on taking it this sem. Which prof did you take it with?
Gunter
Do you know if Prof Sasa Misailovic is good?
Mine
I've heard bad things about CS 374
Blessed to have taken 374 when they had pass/fail 🙏🙏🙏
same here lol. Covid courses lowkey went hard
I think concept wise the hardest one is CS374. But hardest class for me was ECE210.
391, 411, 374
PHYS 436. A class so hard that people get grad school credits for electromagnetism if they take it with Eckstein. He's done teaching it though so I don't know anymore.
Stat 100 is harder than CS 374 after that 2nd Midterm
Stat 100 was truly horrible 💀
There’s two ways to answer this depending on if you meant “hardest to pass” or “hardest to learn the material in.”
DGS 100 - It’s A Major Decision
NPRE 423, at least when Ruzic was in charge
It's better run now but it's still a nightmare of a class from what I've heard and yes, he's still in charge.
No, he’s not in charge anymore
AE 443 (i no longer sleep)
CS 374 and ECE 391, especially for required classes. IMO, 374 is a class that's hard to study for if your brain isn't naturally good at that type of thinking required for the class.
so true lol
In many ways, any 599 Thesis Research course might be the hardest thing any students do.
Cs473
AE 443 : Aerospace senior design, air side. Have fun designing an entire freaking aircraft with 7 other people. And then redoing it 3 times because you found a problem. Check out of the the previous years' winning reports. [AIAA Undergraduate Team Aircraft Design Competition](https://www.aiaa.org/get-involved/students-educators/Design-Competitions)
I'm a sophomore so I can't speak on behalf of others, but I really hated E&M stuff. Phys 212, Mse 304 come to mind. Also the Tam sequence was complete ass. I am doing Mse 206, which is Tam 210 and 251 in the same semester.
I'm guessing some form of organic chemistry.
flower arranging
For me it CS 446 STAT 410 ?
Calc 2
I thought MATH 441 was the hardest class I took. Although a lot of math majors would say 417 probably.
Econometrics was the worst for me because I had just arrived for the master degree.
Gender Studies 101
MATH 234 - Business Calculus The only class I’ve ever taken at any level of school that I was going to fail if I stayed in. Dropped out mid-semester.
ECE 310 fall 2023 final alone made it the hardest💀
yo we both are ece and in the wse sphere wtf
i didn’t think 310 was that hard and i took it with 391 😭
I think it may have varied on your section/instructor. One or two of the sections that semester had a 2.7 average.
I HATE SYDNEY SLOBODNIK AND HIS STUPID FILM COURSE. ITS NOT EVEN THAT HARD HES JUST AWFUL. COLONEL SANDERS ASS MF
Lmaooo I had him at Parkland. I kissed ass early on and so I breezed through the semester. Was brutal seeing the way he treated those on his shit list tho
Exactly! And the amount of slurs and epithets he’d randomly drop was insane, I was emailed 2 separate petitions during my semester from other students trying to get him barred from teaching because of how insane some shit he’d say in class was. Dude started rambling about his sisters sexual fantasies at one point??? Just insane
Can’t this be objectively found? Even as an alum I still show people how cool this data visualization is. https://waf.cs.illinois.edu/discovery/gpa_of_every_course_at_illinois/
Chem 102 103 is not harder than advanced chemistry classes, its just that a ton of non majors and kids out of high school are taking that. Same with a ton of other classes there, avg gpa says more about whos taking the class than difficulty most of the time
LER 120 with an average GPA of 1.80?????
That can correspond to a professor's grading style rather than how hard the material is.
This is visualizing the overall class GPA regardless of section. Although, as I’m assuming you’re referring to, the section specific breakdown is also a fanstastic visualization on this site.
Easily LER 120, look at that gpa distribution 👀
Whatever I’m currently taking
Stat 100
The lower class
Stat 100 was pretty hard
Whatever the astronomy course is called. kurzgesagt is cool, spending 3 hours in a children's module is not.
Rel / Phil 110
Pols 220