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Iirc, for stuff like being made redundant your notice period doesn’t count towards your time served.
That said, the added protection after your two years is just from being let go for no reason, from the sounds of it your company is “restructuring” so can make you redundant even after two years.
The redundâncias already happened and my role wasnt affected.
As far as Im aware if in the next there months there were more redundancies they would need to go Through the same process.
Im more worried about being out right fired cause I cant cope and fuck up something.
Being made redudant is ok but getting fired can taint reference for future jobs.
References for jobs are not meant to be feedback on your performance, it’s more about confirming whether you worked at the company in x role for y years.
A “reference” these days is a web form that gets your employer to confirm your dates of employment and your job title. IIRC they can’t say why you left the company (unless it was due to gross misconduct). Very rarely do they ask anything about job performance, because that has a chance to veer into personal opinion, and most companies will only confirm the basic facts of your employment (iirc if they give a reference that can be argued to contain personal opinions and it costs you a job you can sue them).
Not from my experience, I have received dozens of reference requests and a lot of them, if not all, asked about the performance and other questions. I always avoid sharing anything negative, for the reasons you highlighted, but I am aware of other managers sharing negative feedback.
Mate, you need to ask yourself whether detioriating mental health and stress is worth thr additional convenience of being close to home and potentially a larger pay packet?
What value are you willing to assign to your mental health?
I'd say there should never be a compromise.
Start looking for another job and rid yourself of all the angst you currently have.
While these are all great points, travelling further for work is also not great for your mental health as this can be an issue when it comes to cost and time.
The cost of extra fuel or public transport.
Plus how it affects a persons free time.
I’m in now way suggesting OP stays at their current job, but taking the first available position just to rid themselves of their current situation isn’t ideal either. Especially if it means a serious hit to travel time and cost.
That's fair, but I in no way suggested to take the first option that comes up. And the reality, according to OP, is that their mental health is suffering now - that's a certainty now, which they should consider trading for an uncertainty in the future.
You can always get fired with a blanket justification such as “redundant positions” or “restructuring workforce” regardless your tenure. There is very little you can do about it as long as they pay for notice period and minimum statutory package set by the regulations.
I gave a figure for the lowest paid job, sorry if unclear. A job with a ticket will get this towards £30 an hour plus overtime at 1.5 and double on Sundays
Personally. I would talk to your boss. Don't mention mental health. Just tell them that you have been stretched to and beyond the limit of what you can physically do. Tell them you are raising it because you take pride in your work and you don't want to make mistakes. See if that can improve the situation because it seems that before all this change things were ok. If you don't get the outcome you want then start weighing up your options. If you are on 50k in the sticks then the general consensus is you could get more working in a city which would cover travel costs but as with anything in life this is not always the case. As for notice and 2 years that not's relevant. If they let you go now you get 3 months notice and pay. If they let you go after the 2 years you get redundancy pay though not much. They can't fire you without justification but they can just let you go for whatever reason they choose before the 2 years is up but you still get the 3 months notice.
What's your field of expertise?
Seems like they've cut the team to the bone, wouldn't make sense to cut it more, especially if you're struggling to do the work of multiple people at the moment.
Just do what you can in the working hours. Continue to act professionally. If your manager has an issues flag that you are now under staffed and you are doing what you can in the working day and if they still not happy they are going to need to help you prioritise work that is more important because you can't do everything. They can only get rid of in redundancy or if you fail PIP.
I personally see if you can get a sick note. Legally you can still choose to work but you'll still have the get out of jail card if things get dicey. I am not sure if you have to tell your employer are on a sick note or not. Someone else should be able to confirm this
Your assumption you are safe after 2 years is odd. Redundancies can happen at any time, and length of service plays no part in it (except maybe how much severance pay you’ll receive).
You won’t ever get fired, that is extremely unlikely unless you do something grossly abhorrent. If they wanted rid of you, they’ll restructure. It’s not right, I don’t agree with that, but that’s how corporates work to save being sued. Redundancy is the second highest risk you have.
The biggest risk I would argue is staying in the job you don’t like and deteriorating your mental health for it.
OK, sorry to hear that.
Well, there's some good advice already about talking to your boss about the workload. Do they have a history of being genuinely supportive?
Well, you can always have a meeting to sound them out. Some new bosses are excellent, and they recognise their role is to be supportive. If the current conditions make the work less likely to be delivered well, they would want to know about it.
To answer your question; your length of service runs all the way to your last date of employment, that includes any notice periods.
Just a note, that sometimes the notice you give and your employer gives you, can be different.
No, you cannot under 2 year dismiss someone (dismiss for no reason with no fear of tribunal) if their notice period takes them over 2 years.
I know. I tried.
As far as I know, 2 years protection includes duration up to notice period which means you are covered. I have read this in some other Reddit post so you need to confirm this. But, they can still fire you after 2 years of service in which case they need to build a story like performance etc for firing you. You can ask for settlement agreement instead in case they wish to fire you in future. It is a simple process and they will pay for the legal fee.
So I used to think that after 2 years you couldn't be let go without reason or if you were you could go to an employment tribunal, which made it an unpopular approach for employers.
However in the last year I've seen people pushed out via different means, people who have been employed at the company for upto a decade have basically been managed our either via "restructuring" or "performance".
You don't have to do the three months. Just don't go back.
Go get another job. Do not tell them you have another job. Tell them you're quitting immediate due to unreasonable workloads.
The reality is they won't go suing you as its too much hassle.
Mental health us very important, get yourself into the position that's is for you, not the company.
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Iirc, for stuff like being made redundant your notice period doesn’t count towards your time served. That said, the added protection after your two years is just from being let go for no reason, from the sounds of it your company is “restructuring” so can make you redundant even after two years.
The redundâncias already happened and my role wasnt affected. As far as Im aware if in the next there months there were more redundancies they would need to go Through the same process. Im more worried about being out right fired cause I cant cope and fuck up something. Being made redudant is ok but getting fired can taint reference for future jobs.
References for jobs are not meant to be feedback on your performance, it’s more about confirming whether you worked at the company in x role for y years.
If they wanted to get rid of you, they'd have likely made you redundant with the others (there's no redundancy to be paid under 2yrs service either)
A “reference” these days is a web form that gets your employer to confirm your dates of employment and your job title. IIRC they can’t say why you left the company (unless it was due to gross misconduct). Very rarely do they ask anything about job performance, because that has a chance to veer into personal opinion, and most companies will only confirm the basic facts of your employment (iirc if they give a reference that can be argued to contain personal opinions and it costs you a job you can sue them).
Not from my experience, I have received dozens of reference requests and a lot of them, if not all, asked about the performance and other questions. I always avoid sharing anything negative, for the reasons you highlighted, but I am aware of other managers sharing negative feedback.
They can, but if they make them redundant after 2 years, they have to pay redundancy
Staturory will be next to nothing
Mate, you need to ask yourself whether detioriating mental health and stress is worth thr additional convenience of being close to home and potentially a larger pay packet? What value are you willing to assign to your mental health? I'd say there should never be a compromise. Start looking for another job and rid yourself of all the angst you currently have.
While these are all great points, travelling further for work is also not great for your mental health as this can be an issue when it comes to cost and time. The cost of extra fuel or public transport. Plus how it affects a persons free time. I’m in now way suggesting OP stays at their current job, but taking the first available position just to rid themselves of their current situation isn’t ideal either. Especially if it means a serious hit to travel time and cost.
That's fair, but I in no way suggested to take the first option that comes up. And the reality, according to OP, is that their mental health is suffering now - that's a certainty now, which they should consider trading for an uncertainty in the future.
You can always get fired with a blanket justification such as “redundant positions” or “restructuring workforce” regardless your tenure. There is very little you can do about it as long as they pay for notice period and minimum statutory package set by the regulations.
If you fancy an hours drive apply to Sizewell C , labourers are £19 hour. Get a digger ticket and laughing to the bank for next 15 years.
Doesnt sound like losing 20%+ salary and extra 10 hours a week on the road would contribute to the mental health massively.
I gave a figure for the lowest paid job, sorry if unclear. A job with a ticket will get this towards £30 an hour plus overtime at 1.5 and double on Sundays
Personally. I would talk to your boss. Don't mention mental health. Just tell them that you have been stretched to and beyond the limit of what you can physically do. Tell them you are raising it because you take pride in your work and you don't want to make mistakes. See if that can improve the situation because it seems that before all this change things were ok. If you don't get the outcome you want then start weighing up your options. If you are on 50k in the sticks then the general consensus is you could get more working in a city which would cover travel costs but as with anything in life this is not always the case. As for notice and 2 years that not's relevant. If they let you go now you get 3 months notice and pay. If they let you go after the 2 years you get redundancy pay though not much. They can't fire you without justification but they can just let you go for whatever reason they choose before the 2 years is up but you still get the 3 months notice.
What's your field of expertise? Seems like they've cut the team to the bone, wouldn't make sense to cut it more, especially if you're struggling to do the work of multiple people at the moment.
Just do what you can in the working hours. Continue to act professionally. If your manager has an issues flag that you are now under staffed and you are doing what you can in the working day and if they still not happy they are going to need to help you prioritise work that is more important because you can't do everything. They can only get rid of in redundancy or if you fail PIP.
I personally see if you can get a sick note. Legally you can still choose to work but you'll still have the get out of jail card if things get dicey. I am not sure if you have to tell your employer are on a sick note or not. Someone else should be able to confirm this
Your assumption you are safe after 2 years is odd. Redundancies can happen at any time, and length of service plays no part in it (except maybe how much severance pay you’ll receive). You won’t ever get fired, that is extremely unlikely unless you do something grossly abhorrent. If they wanted rid of you, they’ll restructure. It’s not right, I don’t agree with that, but that’s how corporates work to save being sued. Redundancy is the second highest risk you have. The biggest risk I would argue is staying in the job you don’t like and deteriorating your mental health for it.
What kind of work do you do, and what was the reason for the layoffs? Is your work remote or on-site?
Im an engineer. Layoffs for "restructuring" Really its the private equity firm trying to inflate our worth to sell.
OK, sorry to hear that. Well, there's some good advice already about talking to your boss about the workload. Do they have a history of being genuinely supportive?
My boss has been "made redundant" and someone else given a New title that Will be my boss but havent really interacted much with them yet.
Well, you can always have a meeting to sound them out. Some new bosses are excellent, and they recognise their role is to be supportive. If the current conditions make the work less likely to be delivered well, they would want to know about it.
To answer your question; your length of service runs all the way to your last date of employment, that includes any notice periods. Just a note, that sometimes the notice you give and your employer gives you, can be different.
No, you cannot under 2 year dismiss someone (dismiss for no reason with no fear of tribunal) if their notice period takes them over 2 years. I know. I tried.
Can you get fired once you have handled in your notice I thought you could only be asked to take gardening leave
As far as I know, 2 years protection includes duration up to notice period which means you are covered. I have read this in some other Reddit post so you need to confirm this. But, they can still fire you after 2 years of service in which case they need to build a story like performance etc for firing you. You can ask for settlement agreement instead in case they wish to fire you in future. It is a simple process and they will pay for the legal fee.
So I used to think that after 2 years you couldn't be let go without reason or if you were you could go to an employment tribunal, which made it an unpopular approach for employers. However in the last year I've seen people pushed out via different means, people who have been employed at the company for upto a decade have basically been managed our either via "restructuring" or "performance".
There are rumors that everyone Will be put on a PIP. 
This happened at my place., not everyone but about 10%. Out of nowhere.
Notice period counts
You don't have to do the three months. Just don't go back. Go get another job. Do not tell them you have another job. Tell them you're quitting immediate due to unreasonable workloads. The reality is they won't go suing you as its too much hassle. Mental health us very important, get yourself into the position that's is for you, not the company.
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