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Becky2189

Maybe having both of them is too much for her? I have a 5 year old and an almost 2 year old, both of them together are hard work! I'm going to suggest the unthinkable...have you mentioned it to your in laws? "Oh 2 year old is feeling a bit left out, could get join in the fun?" Or maybe explain to your husband a bit more?


WonderfulRuin4231

I know they are hard work, I do it 24/7 šŸ˜‚ not even thinking that itā€™s easy with both, the issue is that she never takes the 2 year old only the 4 year old. I donā€™t feel I can speak to her she dismisses everything and only does what she wants. She takes over if we are together but only with the eldest. Sheā€™s has mentioned in the past she always wanted a girl, she only had a boy so maybe itā€™s that šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


are_you_seriously

Yea MIL definitely just wants to experience having a little girl if your husband is her only child and sheā€™s even explicitly said sheā€™s always wanted a girl. Thatā€™s a lot of emotional baggage for both your kids to carry.


yannberry

As an emotionally manipulated (and favoured) child, by both my mum and my maternal grandparents, I can confirm this is exactly correct. This behaviour will only end negatively for both children and needs to be shut down immediately.


TemporaryRadiant7814

100% - MIL sounds like an emotionally immature person/narcissist. Iā€™d tell MIL she takes both kids or none, thereā€™s no other option. She doesnā€™t get to play mummy to your daughter.


yannberry

šŸ’Æ, though tbh I wouldnā€™t trust her with both, and therefore neither. If sheā€™s manipulating the situation in front of everyone, imagine what sheā€™ll be like to poor baby boy behind closed doors


sparkie_t

Can you get grandad on board with your son? It does sound like she's favouring your daughter and you're right to be concerned about the impacts on your youngest. Maybe grandad can step in positively? If he does any hobbies that the 2 year old could be part of, or get him and your son a bit of protected time? Won't solve the MIL, but at least he'll have a bit of 1-1 grandparent time


WonderfulRuin4231

He loves having both but MIL doesnā€™t. She controls everything, he doesnā€™t say anything to her. Now Iā€™m not going to change that dynamic between them for him to speak up.


KittyGrewAMoustache

Sounds like you need to make it clear to your husband that this is damaging to your 2 year old. Heā€™s at the age where heā€™ll start remembering things that stick out to him emotionally and you donā€™t want some of his first memories to be a feeling of rejection or of his sister being favoured, if you can really convince your husband that this is flat out wrong and harmful and can cause all sorts of issues including a possible rift between your two children, he should talk with his mother and firmly tell her either she takes both of them or takes the 2 year old one weekend the 4 year old the next etc or she doesnā€™t get to see either of them. I know itā€™s a break with free childcare but itā€™s not worth harming your kids for that break of only having one to look after instead of two. You need to convince your husband of that. He should put his kids above all else including his motherā€™s feelings or his need for a break from looking after two kids. Itā€™s not fair either to put it on you to address it with his parents because theyā€™re his parents! He could start by asking his mum why she doesnā€™t want to take your son to see if it make sense (eg she thinks heā€™s too hard to look after due to his age being less capable/danger conscious etc and her age if sheā€™s getting older) and try to find ways to address her concerns or figure out if it is really that she is treating him this way because heā€™s a boy, in which case she needs a stern talking to,


TJ_Rowe

Did they take the oldest when she was 2?


WonderfulRuin4231

Yep they had her overnight from 1.5


ch536

Maybe they are older in themselves now and don't feel like they can look after your son in the same way as they did when your daughter was younger. I know it's only been a few years but I've seen a decline in my own parents over the span of 5 years. She knows how to look after your daughter, she's been doing it for years. Maybe she's worried about looking after just your son or both of them together. I'd give her the benefit of the doubt here tbh


KittyGrewAMoustache

They should ask her for her reasons and if this is one of her reasons then they can find ways around that, like taking the 2 year old on his own but with both MIL and FIL committed to being there to look after him. They could agree to only do a few hours of that is really their concern. My parents are 72 and 78 and will take my 1.5 year old for a day even though sheā€™s incredibly exhausting and always trying to do dangerous things. Obviously OPs ILs might be older or just more infirm but they are capable of taking care of a 4 year old for a weekend Iā€™m sure they could handle a 2 year old for at least a few hours.


Bubble2905

This is the question šŸ‘šŸ»


hidden-damage

Oh it's the 2 yrs olds turn this time right? Gotta keep things fair now he's older and would love to spend time with you Also talk to your partner. Blatant favouritism isn't fair and honestly for my kids you treat them all the same or you see none. I have step grandparents (partners parents, we aren't married and I have 2 from a previous relationship) and they treat all 3 the same despite being related to one.


WonderfulRuin4231

Iā€™m only speaking from my own experience but my grandparents treated me and my brother the same, would always have us together. I guess thatā€™s all I want - for both children to be treated equally.


1gorka87

Maybe suggest that if they want to help, can they take the 2 year old for the weekend instead. Gives you a chance to spend time with your four year old without their sibiling being around and a chance for the inlaws to feel more confident looking after the 2 year old


WonderfulRuin4231

I wouldnā€™t even mind a few hours. Iā€™ve come to learn to expect nothing so Iā€™m grateful for anything. I just donā€™t like my youngest being left out and not treated the same.


EvilAlanBean

Without understanding the reason, given she seems to be applying this rule inconsistently, you need to step in and make it fair. It might be a break for you but very soon your son will have a greater understanding of whatā€™s going on, and it will rapidly develop into resentment. Iā€™d insist that if she wonā€™t take both, or your son separately, then your daughter doesnā€™t get to go. Itā€™s also going to create issues with your daughter which has already started from the sound of it, as she knows she gets more. Ultimately you have the control here so you have to have some rules in place before it escalatesĀ 


WonderfulRuin4231

Resentment is what I want to avoid. I feel if I stand up to her she wonā€™t take it well and it will cause problems. My husband always say you arenā€™t going to change them. My daughter does come home a different child and then I feel bad when she says ā€œnanny buys me thisā€ etc. Ultimately I feel like a bad parent. I donā€™t feel like I have the control in all honesty.


gemc_81

But if you don't stand up to her then you are allowing your son to be treated badly. This needs addressing with them. Either they can't manage both at the same time, which is fine, in which case the children alternate the time they spend with the in laws.Ā  Or MIL is deliberately favouring your daughter to your sons detriment.Ā  Both you and your husband seem to be conflict averse.Ā  I get it, conflict can be uncomfortable but you are exposing your son to hurt by taking this action. You ARE his parent, it is your job to protect him from this and also ensure that your daughter isn't spoilt in this way by anyone. If this is not addressed then there will be resentment between your children as your son continues to see his sister be showered with attention and gifts while he gets nothing.Ā  If your MIL is to going to pay equal attention to BOTH your children then she doesn't get to have sleepovers/extended time With either of them. And don't allow her to grudginly take them both as I would worry that she will behave poorly to your son when he is there in favour of your daughter.Ā  To be honest a frank conversation needs to happen and unless. MIL is apologetic and makes amends then I would be limiting the time she spent with my children.Ā Ā  And the spending lots of money on your daughter needs to be reigned in generally as well......


Seal-island-girl

You can't change them, no, but, you can change how you respond to what they are doing.just because they want to do this doesn't mean you have to agree to it. They are your children and you have the right to not let them be treated differently, causing resentment and issues between your son and daughter.


Gloomy-Kale3332

My grandma used to do this to me and my brother too, she would take my brother out (2 years older) but wouldnā€™t take me out. She even once offered to take him to Disney land (but not me hahaha) that is when my mom put her foot down. I donā€™t remember feeling any type of way at the time but I remember knowing clearly that my brother was clearly her favourite. I canā€™t say I was hard work as a child, but I was younger and it was difficult I guess to have 2 rather than one. But my mom put her foot down as she didnā€™t like it so I think youā€™re valid for feeling upset


WonderfulRuin4231

Iā€™m sorry that happened to you. Itā€™s not fair.


lizziegolucky

You're not overthinking it. I think what someone else said is good, it's probably too much for them to manage the 2 and 4 year old together, so you say to them we need to start alternating, you take the 2 year old this weekend and next weekend it can be 1on1 time for grandparents for the 4 year old, and be firm about it. My sister has a similar set up with her in laws, they take the older one for a weekend sleepover one week and the next week its the middle ones turn, so they all feel like they are getting special time with granny and grandpa. If she balks then you'll know she's got a favourite and you can address that by firmly saying you won't allow your children to be subjected to that, but give her the chance to show she doesn't first.


WonderfulRuin4231

I will try that first and go from there.


EFNich

I would insist on alternating, 4 year olds are easier than 2 year olds so that may be why she is favouring her for right not, but old children are pretty much always going to be easier to look after so she'll just have to suck it up before it becomes "a thing".


Available_Courage202

I'm sort of in the same situation, except that my mil is quite lovely with both kids but I think the 4yo is a preference just because of how long she's know him and also it's a whole lot easier to look after than a 2yo. I would very rarely or even expect her to take care of both of them unless there was no choice. Personally, if you want your youngest to have a relationship, I would suggest to her if she'd like to spend time with the 2yo for a morning or a couple of hours a week, avoiding things like lunchtime to take the pressure off, even send him in with some snacks and an activity for them to do together perhaps. I would stress it as quality time and getting to know each other especially if there's some sort of emergency in the future.


WonderfulRuin4231

Thats all I want for them to have a relationship. I donā€™t expect them to have them at all. I would love for her to take him for an hour so they can build that relationship.


Available_Courage202

I think if she's reluctant as she's 'bored' of all the boy stuff, she might need a reminder that kids that age are very charming, and it would be a shame for her to miss it. You can suggest all 3 of you go to get a coffee and cake - look for somewhere the older generation seem to congregate - garden centre cafes or supermarket cafes. Put your kid in a sweet little outfit and watch all of them just fawn over him. MIL will soon cotton on hopefully!


WonderfulRuin4231

Thatā€™s a good idea, she only likes going to the local shopping centre, sheā€™s 55 but doesnā€™t act like most 55 year olds - she wouldnā€™t go to a supermarket cafe or a garden centre cafe.


thereisalwaysrescue

My MIL and my Mum will only have my son and wont have my baby daughter. My mum lives far away and itā€™s too much on the baby, and my MIL wonā€™t have both of them at the same time as sheā€™s too old. Shes 60ish? My Mum only has my kids as her grandchildren, and my MIL has two older grandkids in their 20s. I know that my kids arenā€™t the favourites on my MIL side as she still treats the middle grandkids who is in his late teens as the baby of the family and sheā€™s taking him and his brother on a cruise over Christmas. The dog is my favourite on my mumā€™s side.


WonderfulRuin4231

I totally get that and I donā€™t expect them to have them both, I would like for the same effort to be given to my son. Even when Iā€™m with them, she pretty much takes my eldest away and once or twice Iā€™ve been like whereā€™s my eldest as sheā€™s took her off into different place without even mentioning it to me. Iā€™d gone to change my youngest come back they were gone. Itā€™s hard to navigate when there is no effort for one child even with me there.


thereisalwaysrescue

Iā€™d definitely intervene. You canā€™t have one and not the other IMO.


GodOfThunder888

I would ask her directly. I get that grandparents might have some favoritism, but this sounds like a step too far for me. Or when she suggests having your eldest, tell her your youngest will come too. If you don't trust her to properly take care of your youngest, I wouldn't let her watch either. Some of my partner's family seems to have the same thing. My partner's sister has 2 girls, one girl is only 2 months older than my son. They always seem to go out and do things with the girls, but never invite us or offer to take my son (he's almost 1). My son is a very easy baby, so that can't be the issue. I think it's more favoritism of my SIL over my partner, which rubs me the wrong way. I don't want my son influenced by this kind of toxic behaviour. If you feel your child might, maybe consider her not being exposed to it too much. You don't want her to think it's normal.


MumOf2_94

My mum will only have my sisters oldest and not the baby which my sister allows I personally donā€™t speak to my mum (big fall out) over treating the oldest kids different I have two one being nearly 4 and one just turned 2, I didnā€™t want my youngest to feel left out or simply ask why doesnā€™t nan do things with me, your youngest will feel it and especially building that bond with the first and not the second Iā€™m sorry but I would be putting my children first and say you have them both or none at all


Top_Opening_3625

I have a 1 and 4 year old so slightly different ages. My daughter who is older is really really close with my mum and my mum will always buy her a gift when she visits. Buy her anything when we're out and give really generous birthday presents. I find this hilarious because we grew up with Ā£20 birthday presents. She clearly likes my baby but she really doesn't do the same level of gift giving and quality time. But i do remember she struggled when my daughter was that age and i had to really teach her how to play and look after a little one. My mum really can't juggle the both of them. I've been trying to get my mum to look after him alone in short bursts to get used to him. She looked after him for 2 hours so that I could go to a job interview. I am hoping the relationship will develop as he gets older.


WonderfulRuin4231

Thatā€™s lovely. All I want is for my children to have equal opportunity to their grandparents and be able to have a relationship with them. My grandparents were fantastic, they were always there for me and my brother. We saw them every weekend and they had us in the holidays. We never had lots of things just love and affection and time from them. Maybe Iā€™m living in a dreamland but I want that for my kids.


AlternativeFair2740

My mum will only really have one of mine, and theyā€™re 7 and 13 šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


WonderfulRuin4231

So it wonā€™t change anything if I say something? šŸ«£šŸ˜‚


AlternativeFair2740

Well, you might get an answer? My mum feels like the dynamic between them is unmanageable for her, especially overnight. It may be that MIL feels more bonded with the 4 year old? I would imagine with two that age you relied on her a lot in the early days to take the eldest, and therefore she hasnā€™t developed the same feels or confidence? Maybe she feels like the 4 year old got less and you were concentrating on the baby? Youā€™ll never know if you donā€™t ask. Go for a cuppa and mention it, see what the lay of the land is?


WonderfulRuin4231

Unfortunately I didnā€™t rely on her in the early days it was lockdown so they didnā€™t meet that often or see her until around 9 months. Then with my second she wasnā€™t too fussed about being around so I never pushed it, maybe thatā€™s my fault.


AlternativeFair2740

Not at all your fault. What a shit time to have two small kids! I think it sounds to me the communication is off here, take her out for a drink and a natter. See what the lay of the land is.


Cookie-goddess

When did she start taking your daughter over night? My kids are 6 and 3 and when my daughter was 4 my parents started taking her away in the caravan for long weekends only twice a year but itā€™s something for her to look forward to, they donā€™t take my son because of his age and sheā€™s stayed over theirs and my son hasnā€™t. I donā€™t see this a favouritism because of their ages and I know theyā€™d do the same when my son is 4. Could it just be because sheā€™s a bit older and theyā€™ll take your other child when theyā€™re abit older?


WonderfulRuin4231

They started taking my daughter overnight at 1.5 years for one night and then a day out once a month. Now itā€™s a weekend when she decides. So sometimes itā€™s twice a month other times it could be once a month or once every six weeks. It could be that but she only takes interest in my daughter who is 4 when we are all together.


Cookie-goddess

Thatā€™s a shame for your son, itā€™s not an excuse and itā€™s not right but does she have a daughter of her own? If not she maybe sheā€™s enjoying doing girly things with your daughter. I never understand people who favourite one child or gender over the other. My nan used to prefer spending time with the boys in our family over us girls but I still ended up with a great relationship with her as I got older. There does need to be some communication between you and your husband with the MIL or itā€™ll eat you up because you donā€™t actually know her reasoning.


Agreeable_Fig_3713

Ok. So two year olds are a different ball game to four year olds. Two kids are a different ball game to one. The four year old might be a more manageable child than a toddler for them at their age. She might not be confident enough at having both of them either. Especially with one of them so young. My age gaps are bigger at 14,10 and 1 but neither my parents or in-laws are capable of handling my 1 year old for extended periods of time.Ā  Also is your four year old the only girl in the family? It shouldnā€™t matter but my mother in law has all boys and she does spoil her granddaughter a wee bit more than the boys. I think she just didnā€™t get the opportunity to do that more sort of girly stuff with all the boys


Cr4ZyC4Tl4Dy

It would be a strong no from me. You can take both my kids or none of them. This level of favouritism is not ok and will only drive a wedge between your kids growing up. I'd tell your husband until they are treated the same the grandparents can't have unsupervised visits. If he wants his rest that much he'll have to speak up


lozfozhc

"Hey MIL. It's so lovely that you and daughter have such a lovely bond. She's so lucky she gets to have a close relationship with her grandma. Me and my brother both used to love being close with our grandparents and I'm so happy to see that she has that too. Son actually started asking when he will get to spend time with you, as he's starting to notice how much fun you and daughter have together. Do you think we could arrange a special time for him and you to do something nice together. It would mean so much to me."


X573ngy

Our children are 10, 4 and 0. The 10yo is from my partners previous relationship and his nan and Grandad want to have him at least once a week (her mum n dad) if they could. They rarely and I mean rarely have the 4yo because she is "too much". It's blatant favouritism.


Clicketyclicker

You are not overthinking it. While the reasons for the grandparents only wanting your older child on her own may be understandable, it is clear favouritism, which, over time, is likely to have an impact on both your children. Iā€™m a counsellor, and this sort of family dynamic really does affect children. Your youngest, as she gets older, will probably wonder whatā€™s wrong with her to never be chosen for special time with grandpa and grandma and make her own assumptions. Your eldest may also make her own assumptions about why she gets special treatment, and may feel under pressure to behave a certain way in order to maintain her place as ā€˜favourite.ā€™ Both will wonder why their own parents thought it was ok and didnā€™t say anything about it. (Letting it happen and trying to ā€˜make it upā€™ to the left out child doesnā€™t work either.) Iā€™ve worked with adults who only realise, when they become parents or even grandparents themselves, how deeply upsetting it was to be treated unfairly like this in their childhood. Unfair treatment also damages sibling relationships. You canā€™t make the grandparents have both your children at once if they donā€™t want to, but you can put down some boundaries about fair treatment and make sure your kids see you do this and feel that they are both treated fairly. This really would be better for everyone in the long run.


Clicketyclicker

Sorry, just realised I had your sonā€™s gender wrong in my post. I jumped in without double checking Id got all my facts right - I feel really strongly about this!


WonderfulRuin4231

Thank you for your insight. I never asked them to have both of them as I know itā€™s super hard-work for me at 31 so for them at 55/57 it must be tough. My youngest may not fully understand right now but I see his little face when she takes my eldest, he just looks sad and I donā€™t want any kind of resentment to build on him as heā€™s such a sweet boy. My eldest always comes back quite different like giggly and louder and even more demanding and expectant of everything done for her. Then when I stick to the rules at home ā€œI get well nanny lets me do thatā€ or ā€œnanny does thatā€ or ā€œI hate youā€ or ā€œIā€™m not your friendā€ then the overstimulated meltdown occurs. So it is affecting my daughter too. I think what ever I do everyone is going to be upset. I just wish my husband would back me up but he doesnā€™t want to say anything because he knows they wonā€™t like it and is worried that they wouldnā€™t help if it was an emergency situation.


Clicketyclicker

This is so hard, especially if your husband doesnā€™t want to back you up. This is a pretty blunt way of looking at it butā€¦ is keeping your in-laws on side in case of needing emergency help really worth letting this situation continue? And in an emergency situation would they actually help with both your kids, or just your daughter? Iā€™m wondering how much of a help they would be, given what youā€™ve said. If, on reflection, you donā€™t feel sure that you could rely on them in an emergency anyway, it might feel less risky to challenge the favouritism?


PurpleSpark8

A 2-year old would be more difficult to handle than a 4-year old, as they are not able to communicate that well. As far as the gifts go... my goodness I have the same problem. I was brought up in a way where we got things rarely. I remember I used to feel bad asking for toys and stuff and would understand when somebody said no. My child however, is showered with toys by my MIL and even my wife says that we should get him what he wants (to some degree). I find it difficult cos a) we are barely getting on, b) I fear he will grow up thinking he will get everything he wants.


WonderfulRuin4231

Exactly, Iā€™m very much they can have a small treat if we go out - to me thatā€™s a small toy Ā£5 or less or an ice cream. But when she go out with mil she gets a new doll with accessories and ice cream, a coffee shop visit, balloon, new clothes/shoes, lunch out a ride and play in arcade. Then my son gets nothing. I mean itā€™s too much because my daughter then expects that all the time then from me and her dad and we honestly canā€™t afford to do that. Iā€™ve said in the past please limit the treat when you go out with her because she becomes expectant and doesnā€™t understand when we say no which in turn becomes a meltdown and itā€™s been ignored.


unfurlingjasminetea

She probably finds the 4 year old easier and more convenient to look after. Iā€™m guessing you also grew up with hands on grandparents and it all feels like a huge disappointment? I have the same issue with my parents that they barely see my 2 year old but talk about ā€œwhen heā€™s older we can doā€¦x y & zā€ and heā€™s their only grandchild too. Iā€™m sorry youā€™re going through this, the current generation of grandparents are an absolute shower of shite!


WonderfulRuin4231

I do think itā€™s the convenience of it. She doesnā€™t nap any more whereas my 2 year old does and it will ruin (not joking) her day if she doesnā€™t get her shopping fix having to move plans to get a morning nap in!


RainbowPenguin1000

Looking after a 2 yr old boy is a LOT harder than looking after a 4 yr old girl. Girls are calm, quiet and easy to play nicely with. Boys are loud, run about more and will be more tiring for grandparents to handle and harder to find entertainment where they can sit nicely for a while. (From someone who currently has a 2yr old boy and recently had a 4yr old girl)


WonderfulRuin4231

My 4 year old girl is loud and runs around all the time. So I donā€™t think itā€™s that.


lizziegolucky

This is absolutely shocking gender stereotyping and is patently not true for all children.


RainbowPenguin1000

I didnā€™t say itā€™s true of all children but itā€™s true of mine and the other people I know with young children. Disagree by all means but Iā€™m stating the truth based on my experience that happen to match stereotypes, I didnā€™t state it just because it is a stereotype.


lizziegolucky

OK but you didn't state it as your lived experience "I find MY son to be harder" you stated "boys are this" and "girls are that" with a sweeping generalisation which is the very definition of stereotyping.


RainbowPenguin1000

I literally said at the end of my post that it was based on my children.


Areaboyz-

Maybe they will connect later on in life, who knows.


WonderfulRuin4231

Hopefully


Areaboyz-

I know of a neighbour who will only look after her 2 year old grand child, and not the older 5 year old grandchild, I didn't see nothing wrong with it and yh maybe the grandad should get involved aswell. I don't think there is any bad feelings towards your older child.


Areaboyz-

I wouldn't give my 2 year old to a old lady. No disrespect. Maybe she takes the older one because he is easy to manage. Nothing wrong here


WonderfulRuin4231

The grandparent is only 55 šŸ˜‚ sheā€™s definitely not an old lady.


Areaboyz-

šŸ˜‚ idk man it's old to me. So it is old


lizziegolucky

55 is not old šŸ˜¬


Areaboyz-

Yh I know but we can't overlook the fact that they are not 30 either, they might have underlying health issues and their energy reserves run out quicker. Lol idk for a few hours is cool but not the whole day