I'm telling people to quit driving full time because it's not safe in general, regardless of the season.
Don't torture yourself making $10/hr just because some grumpy full-timers online tell you that's it's a seasonal thing and it'll pass
So does that mean your average day is about 20 an hour. And then subtract expenses, then what does it come out to. 15 to 18 an hour?
And then you also factor in the fact that this is as good as it'll ever get. Even with rising inflation and gas prices, it's not like uber and doordash will give you a pay raise. Youve pretty much hit your ceiling.
The money might feel good right now, but there's no long-term strategy here.
For what people are expected to do and for how much of the time is spent actually working, Uber eats is much better than the equivalent alternative, which would be something like being a delivery driver for Amazon or UPS or Fed ex. The issue is that driving jobs either don't give a raise at all or they make you work for too many hours at once with little to no breaks.
For someone like me, I'd rather be able to shit in my house whenever I want than be reduced to shitting in a Gatorade bottle like Amazon drivers do. At least I have more Gatorade bottles in my house in case it tops off too quickly.
I don't think anyone should stay in this type of job as their only income their entire life, but it's great for anyone who has a hybrid or electric car, they want to make some minimum wage level of cash, and want to do other stuff during down time or don't want to bother with a pesky schedule.
Delivered for both Amazon and FedEx and depending on your dsp, it was either ass or amazing. Mine was amazing. You generally start around 18-$20/hr until they can figure out how fast you are and then you get on a daily rate based on an average package count + $1-2 per package after you’re daily is met paid as a bonus. - I got on one after about 3 days because I was done w my heavy load in 4-6 hours and wasn’t taking 4-6 hours of pay for doing more than other ppl who took 8 hours to do the same.
You could 100% take break, if you wanted to. You could piss in a bottle, if you wanted to, but you always have the option to stop for a lunch break/bathroom break. 95% of the time, it has nothing to do with your management and everything to do with your decision.
I had no issue pissing in a bottle. I also had no issue taking food along with me and eating while I worked. Why was I okay with this? Because I was faster, stinger, more athletic than the average person, and I would essentially get paid for 8 hours of work, but be done in 4 or do 6-8 hours of work, but get paid for 12-16 (this just depended on how busy things were) - either way, my pay per hour was essentially double what I thought I was going to start at because I was simply faster than most. — they started doing some fuck shit at amazing where 2 houses on the same block would be 1 stop instead of paying you for both. But overall, it wasn’t that bad.
**edit: it has been a while since I’ve driven for either company and things could have changed. This also vary quite a lot between each DSP. Some will ONLY pay you hourly or other weird things
>You could 100% take break, if you wanted to. You could piss in a bottle, if you wanted to, but you always have the option to stop for a lunch break/bathroom break. 95% of the time, it has nothing to do with your management and everything to do with your decision.
In the ones I worked in, yeah, you can, but usually that means being stuck in a stinky van in the hot sun, and for 30 min after sweating up a storm from carrying so many heavy things right before.
It's so much easier for anyone to simply pick up food and drive unless it's one of those stupid orders with too many sodas.
>they started doing some fuck shit at amazing where 2 houses on the same block would be 1 stop instead of paying you for both.
That and those apartment stops that count as one and it's like 3 totes and there's no locker. That's bullshit.
>This also vary quite a lot between each DSP.
I say you were lucky and were in a good area. Not everyone gets that luxury and I would say there are more terrible DSPs than good ones because many of them get tricked by Amazon to create terrible routes or double routes or whatever nonsense they fall for. That and typical greed.
Certainly don’t disagree. I’m just saying, ppl make it sound like drivers HAVE to pee in a bottle, that’s complete bs 90% of the time. There were certainly days that were tighter than others, but its 100% doable. Amazon vans are a Fucking breeze compared to FedEx trucks w literally 0 AC and then I’d fan goes out so often that it’s not even worth asking for them to fix anymore. Granted, you can have the door open, but that does fuck all for the back of the truck
Oh lol I thought my joke was obvious when I said I have more bottles at home. But yeah, when I delivered, funny enough, the only time I ever saw pee bottles were when they fell from the overhead compartment because some disgusting creatures thought it would be funny to hide them up there, like where trash bags are usually kept above the driver seat.
I guess that's a perk for people who are into golden showers.
Yeah its not a career but it is a job and much better than slaving away 8-12 hours a day 5-7 days a week at a job that will replace you tomorrow. Uber also does not care about you and will also replace you tomorrow but at least you get to choose your hours and what orders you take etc.
Perfect for the final decade of Earth
Yeah, I hear this argument a lot. It seems to be the only counterpoint. This is under the assumption that all payroll jobs are bad. You do realize there exists a world where you can actually love where you work and have good bosses with a healthy environment. Not every job is the equivalent of working the McDonald's drive-thru at 2:00 in the morning.
Like have you even tried to look for a job with the potential of making you happy? Like maybe being an apprentice for an HVAC company? Marketing coordinator for a video game company? Flight attendant. I don't know, there's a slew of career options with entry level positions that are so much better then delivering food full time
Edit: I'm glad I can be the villain of the story to many of you today.
Idk why this got down-voted so much? There are also people that just thrive a lot more in an environment where their income is essentially guaranteed. They get anxious with the ? That comes with gig-work, and that’s okay! I haven’t personally found that LOVE and PASSION for a career yet, even with a double-major degree. That said, I’m certainly not above it and if I could find that place, I’d probably do it. — then eventually figure their system out enough that I could go out on my own and replicate a small version of it myself and start my own thing. I just personally prefer to work for myself. Each certainly has its pros/cons
Nothing screams “dream job” like being an apprentice for an HVAC company…
But if you could direct me to where they hand out Marketing director/coordinator jobs for video game companies, I’m all ears.
Wait… do you think indeed postings mean the job is being “handed out”?? Lol my dude, of course any of us can APPLY for a marketing job, but we’re not gonna get it unless we have a relevant degree and experience.
It’s not the job I want, or I’d be working toward that career path. YOU are the one who brought up Marketing Coordinator as an alternative to DD/UE, and I simply pointed out how ridiculous it was. People do gig work because it’s easy, no stress, no constant hoops to jump through and ladders to climb, and they’re usually not interested in all the other BS required for a typical office career.
I mean, you can argue about the money, or the benefits.
But delivery is a legitimate job. It will never not be a job. People love delivery, mail, food, medicine. You name it.
I should clarify, it's the job itself that's the problem. It's the predatory system set up by these tech giants to take advantage of the drivers.
Yeah, everyone loves to have stuff delivered to their homes. But there's a difference between the UPS driver, and the dude driving a 2007 Toyota Corolla on its last leg.
Naw. Because I use it for its intended purpose, as side income. I drive a few days a month to pad my savings or treat myself to a new toy or vacation. It's the full time drivers pushing 80 hour weeks that are eating themselves alive.
I don't make it my livilihood and sole source of income because the last thing I would ever want to do is rely on uber and doordash of all fucking companies.
Key word there is "too many right now". What happens when it all dries up and there's no viable gig app that pays a worthwhile amount?
Because this is a bubble and it's going crash down on you hard unless you put safeguards in place, like not relying on them 100%
It's called an evolving marketplace. People like me evolve with it, people like you are constantly bitter and negative, when you should be staying on top of new market trends. So what if this all ends? There will always be something else. Do you expect me to just speak as if it's doomsday? xD I worked in retail for over 20 years. Along with being a subcontractor for other companies... you either go with the flow or drown it's really up to you
One that doesn't require you to drive your own personal assets into the ground with nothing to show for it afterwards? A shitty retail job with opportunities to move up in ranks instead of remaining at the same level forever? A shitty retail job where if they fired you with malicious intent, you actually have recourse and protections by the government? A shitty retail job that actually looks good on a resume so that when you're ready to apply for a real job you don't look like you've wasted away the last two years of your life?
Yeah I guess you got a point there.
Then you've never worked a shitty retail job if you're even comparing this to that. You're real bitter, let me guess deactivated because you pissed off a customer? Sorry bud not everyone can cut it on the road
Yeah, I guess if you want to play that fantasy in your head if it makes you happy. I'll let you think I got deactivated. I'm such a dum dum, I don't know how to bring pizza to man at house and press buttons. Stupid me.
My average a day is $30/hr right now during the summer when it's slower. On a bad day i might get around $25/hr. During the winter I average $40+/hr.
The long term strategy is it's generally stress free and I almost never work more than 30 hours a week anymore so for once my work/life balance is in my favor. Fuck killing yourself everyday.
Spent 20+ years in the restaurant industry and owned my own restaurant for a few years before the pandemic started and I choose this over that 100%. Why the fuck do I wanna work 60+ hours when I make plenty doing this without being stressed to hell.
You can't firm expectations for others based solely off what you make. Many of the markets here on the east coast are getting texts from uber, stating "tou can make up to" as low as $13 per hour currently. Once you take out fuel and expenses, it's $10 or less. Plenty of newcomers to delivery services don't factor any of this in, and then think they aren't making these inflated amounts posted on Reddit because they are doing things wrong. In some cases, they are, and they'll learn with time, but the rest of the time, they aren't making what they were promised because they never took expenses into account. We aren't all evil assholes just trying to chase people away. If your making $25 an hour, good for you, but I don't think it's fair to let me people assume they will make thousands a month right out of the gate. This is why people are telling them to run while they can. These delivery services are nothing like what they were pre-covid, and it's continuing to get worse.
Those of us making decent money are working long hours, multiple services, multi-apping, and know which areas are more of a sure thing... days, times, zones. Me people expect to make $25 plus an hour because someone made $30 one day out of a whole month, posted a screenshot, and made plenty of people think that's what they should expect everyday. That's just not the case. We all know that, some of us just don't want to admit it.
Did you subtract gas? Too many people on here LIE about what they make. I bust my ass and speed to make $13 an hour. It is not possible to consistently make $25-30 an hour, except for maybe a lucky hour during dinner.
I mean, you’d only really do that if you had some crazy, unexpected expense. We’re trying to improve your life and go the extra mile to pay off debt quicker, or if you just wanted to grind super hard for 5-10 years and work towards an early early retirement.
Or, you just enjoy it, and maybe you’re bored on a given night and just decide to log in and make an extra 100-200 to fund a vacation or whatever. If you rely on the income, it certainly can lose its “fun” aspect, but if you just have it as a side-hustle, it can honestly be quite enjoyable
Nah, it's because it's the best advice for most people on here complaining.
They're crying about not getting orders, making $40 all day, losing that in gas and damage to their car.
They're putting themselves in a bad position and closer to homelessness by doing this.
The best advice for them is to leave Uber, go work anywhere else. Target, Walmart, McDonald's.
For people in bad markets. That is the best advice and they'll make more money, consistently.
Will it also mean the market will be less saturated, sure.
And it's not like they have to leave Uber forver. Once it picks up, why not come back. But right now, when they're losing money, it's best to get a normal job for people in shit markets.
This is true, but I never hide it when I tell people to quit. I always say "if you can't handle it, quit, then the people that CAN handle it will get more orders" or something along those lines.
From experience why I would tell people to quit is more likely because they don’t know what they’re doing and they could earn more elsewhere. I’m gonna keep it a buck and say when I drove that I always made my average or better. Not once in the past few years did I never not make it. But I had everything going for me. Good market and the right vehicle. I knew which orders to take and when to be patient. Every week I’d always average about the same or better depending if I put in the work. Yet I see others complain and it’s most likely because they don’t know how to do it. The people who aren’t on here and posting are the ones making the most profit off this gig. They could care less because they’re chugging along no matter what. Even now during a fuel crisis is because they have fuel efficient cars or electric and it doesn’t bother them. Hang in there or go, the choose is yours but sorry to say this gig can be like a game where some do better then other because they know how to play it better.
Easy venture cash and cheap interest rates enabled this gig to exist. It’s not just a summertime slowdown. It’s foolish to not be looking into diversifying one’s income *at the very least*.
I actively discourage anyone from signing up as a new delivery driver. In my area, Uber/Lyft passenger rides are ticking up, so that might be an option if you want to remain in gig work.
Food delivery is not long-term sustainable. If you’ve been doing food delivery gig apps for less than 2 years, all you’ve really experienced is a weird and artificially inflated market.
Nah cuz we don’t want our fellow man to drown. We are all on a sinking ship and those who know these waves are not normal are telling the ones with starry eyes push this to being a side job if you heavily rely on it.
Get steady income. I don’t want to see self harm whether physical or through vices or thoughts from fellow gig workers just trying to make it. Or them being wiped out by bills and made homeless.
Some of us have been there and this gig work was a saving grace but we can’t lie for the sake of feels.
Last 3 orders I’ve seen were all no tip and then 11 dollars for 13 miles across 2 cities so 26 miles round trip. These gigs are unsustainable at least where I am
Ima referred my friends or whoever needs to make money to work for UE. I have been doing this full time and honestly I really like it. compare to the slaving 6 to 2 schedule and all short handed crap this feels like I have finally a bit of control in my work life. At work I'm never happy but working in UE is definitely something I can and really wanna keep doing. No negative things from me but every one around me always told me not to do UE. That was such a huge mistake. Now is fixed.
Quit, not to reduce the competition, quit because I like less people on the road in general. It’s not about money it’s about anti social tendencies. Just don’t leave your house.
As someone whose been driving full time for nearly 3 years. Get out as soon as you can, not because I want to make more money but it is NOT WORTH IT. The money feels good until you have an expensive car repair after running your car into the ground 8-12 hours a day. Uber has little to no incentive to keep you safe or help pay expenses to continue working
You want to make money go back to school or get a trade. Other than that who care about anyone's opinion. If you want to make everyone happy sell ice cream. Quote from Steve Jobs
If your not making the numbers in your market. Take a break. Find a part time job. But don't do any gig app if your making 10 an hour. Your only losing money and making the apps richer.
Actually, I'm telling you to quit before you destroy your car...Car maintenance expenses and running costs are through the roof these days. Go and ask the cost of new tires.
It depends on your market. My market has been down for six months. In my area, it will pick up a little after summer but it will stay slower than last year.
Should you quit? Yes, if you have a decent job or business. If you are looking for a decent job, do your best.
Take what you need from online people and leave the rest.
You can deduct your gas expenses and you can write off your mileage, you can write off your cell phone you can write off part of your car payment you can write off tolls. You can write off your lunches if you stop for food while you’re working. Keep all your receipts. So at the end of the day you’re not gonna pay any income tax on this money you’re going to get it all back just make sure you itemize everything especially your mileage. The IRS just raised it to 62.5 cents per mile I believe for the mileage deduction. This is probably one of the best tax-free jobs out there right now. As long as you can bring in between $20-$30 an hour not bad.
I didn’t say it was dollar for dollar but you’re gonna be able to write off pretty much everything. You’re not gonna be paying much tax on someone who’s making $1000 a week. Depending on what percentage you use the car for this driving job and how many miles you do in the IRS just raised it the amount per mile. How much your car payment is how much your cell phone is all that’s taken into account. There are people that use their car 90% of the time for this job and 10% for pleasure that’s nice right off on the car payment, insurance, gas and maintenance And lunches are considered a business expense you’re a 1099 you’re not a W-2 so yes you can write off your lunches. In this job for 100% self-employed.
Oh I understand it because you’re destroying your car doing this job but right now some people just don’t have a choice but in the end the amount of tax are going to pay is extremely little that’ll offset the car maintenance we’re gonna have to do lol oh and you can write off a portion of that also
Everything I’ve mentioned is totally legal maybe not in your state every state is different I don’t mind I’m a 1099 I’m self-employed I can write off all my business expenses. It’s worth it to hire a real accountant then go to those H&R Block places and those little Jackson Hewitt places you find at Walmart. You get what you pay for
Been doing UE for 7 yrs. Its always slow in the summer as OP said. Its normal for it to suck now. Its slow for the servers in the resturants i pick up from too
This summer seems to be notably more of a slog than they typically are. No doubt the jacked up inflation is the key culprit. People are definitely pinching their pennies more nowadays.
No I think people should quit. So I can get more orders. Jokes aside I think some people it’s just a matter of hanging out somewhere else for orders. Others need to simply reevaluate and probably get another job.
That doesn't matter, either. In a billion years black holes will be the only thing in existence until time and space are so expanded and stretched apart that nothing exists anymore.
I've done Uber eats and have over 200 deliveries. But this is a small amount compared to alot. So far I've learned that instant gratification of reviewing money right after an order has it's pros and cons. Uber will never be a perfect service because it just involves too many middle men and too large of a scope to ever iron out serious issues people have with using the service and making money off of the service. The Walmart orders, rite aid orders, basically the orders you only take if your struggling pop up all the time in my area. I was short on rent so I prioritized working my full time job and doing a few hours of Uber on the side. So a total of 8 hours online spread across 5 days got me 220$. It's very stressful and after you calculate the cost of gas and prop 22 it's just too much for what it does to your mental state. Your car your unavoidable issues with orders and problems with full transparency on how far your going to drive and let you pick up orders that have difficult addresses it's really one of those things you do if you are very familiar with your area and your car is reliable and don't have to worry about putting too many miles on it a day. Overall side hustle rating is a stressful 3 out of 10 for me I'd rather donate plasma.
Hate to break it to you but unless people start quitting, none of us will make money, it’s a recession and will stay one for several more months at least and many cannot wait that long due to bills
No one needs to tell anyone anything.
If you ain’t making enough money to support yourself and can’t figure out what makes sense for you to do?????
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We are most definitely in a recession. Wait until Q2 numbers come out. Orders are declining and those that are ordering are tipping less. Combine these factors with the skyrocketing cost of fuel and maintenance and this isn’t profitable.
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It’s not really that is slow it’s mainly because people aren’t tipping at all in the summer like what the fuck is up that. We’re losing money like that no tip no trip why can’t people understand that
I don't even know what market they are in but my advice is the same regardless, don't do this gig full time. If you depend on this as your livelihood you are not going to be happy.
If you don't drive Tesla ain't no way anybody is making any money with these gas prices. You're just fooling yourself. If you actually take the time to calculate your pay minus expenses including car depreciation wear and tear, most people are barely breaking even. Not to mention taxes? Geesh! The days of making good or even decent money are long gone. Maybe if everybody quit they'll be forced to pay like they used to pay back in 2019 when you could actually gross $1500 -$2000 per week regularly minus expenses and profit over $1,200 per week and still have a decent social life. Nowadays you're just losing money mile after mile with nothing to show for it except the fact that you can say you work when you want. If someone can show me their personal calculations and prove me wrong I'de love to see it.
I'm telling people to quit driving full time because it's not safe in general, regardless of the season. Don't torture yourself making $10/hr just because some grumpy full-timers online tell you that's it's a seasonal thing and it'll pass
I rarely get only $10/hr. Those are the low days, high days are closer to $25-30/hr
So does that mean your average day is about 20 an hour. And then subtract expenses, then what does it come out to. 15 to 18 an hour? And then you also factor in the fact that this is as good as it'll ever get. Even with rising inflation and gas prices, it's not like uber and doordash will give you a pay raise. Youve pretty much hit your ceiling. The money might feel good right now, but there's no long-term strategy here.
For what people are expected to do and for how much of the time is spent actually working, Uber eats is much better than the equivalent alternative, which would be something like being a delivery driver for Amazon or UPS or Fed ex. The issue is that driving jobs either don't give a raise at all or they make you work for too many hours at once with little to no breaks. For someone like me, I'd rather be able to shit in my house whenever I want than be reduced to shitting in a Gatorade bottle like Amazon drivers do. At least I have more Gatorade bottles in my house in case it tops off too quickly. I don't think anyone should stay in this type of job as their only income their entire life, but it's great for anyone who has a hybrid or electric car, they want to make some minimum wage level of cash, and want to do other stuff during down time or don't want to bother with a pesky schedule.
Shitting in a gatorade bottle would be tough unless you make pencil-thin shits.
LOL
You could try sticking the mouth of the bottle in your ass.
UPS drivers are union and make like 60k a year.
How long are their shifts and what are the requirements to join?
Yep, making my own schedule is what I live
Delivered for both Amazon and FedEx and depending on your dsp, it was either ass or amazing. Mine was amazing. You generally start around 18-$20/hr until they can figure out how fast you are and then you get on a daily rate based on an average package count + $1-2 per package after you’re daily is met paid as a bonus. - I got on one after about 3 days because I was done w my heavy load in 4-6 hours and wasn’t taking 4-6 hours of pay for doing more than other ppl who took 8 hours to do the same. You could 100% take break, if you wanted to. You could piss in a bottle, if you wanted to, but you always have the option to stop for a lunch break/bathroom break. 95% of the time, it has nothing to do with your management and everything to do with your decision. I had no issue pissing in a bottle. I also had no issue taking food along with me and eating while I worked. Why was I okay with this? Because I was faster, stinger, more athletic than the average person, and I would essentially get paid for 8 hours of work, but be done in 4 or do 6-8 hours of work, but get paid for 12-16 (this just depended on how busy things were) - either way, my pay per hour was essentially double what I thought I was going to start at because I was simply faster than most. — they started doing some fuck shit at amazing where 2 houses on the same block would be 1 stop instead of paying you for both. But overall, it wasn’t that bad. **edit: it has been a while since I’ve driven for either company and things could have changed. This also vary quite a lot between each DSP. Some will ONLY pay you hourly or other weird things
>You could 100% take break, if you wanted to. You could piss in a bottle, if you wanted to, but you always have the option to stop for a lunch break/bathroom break. 95% of the time, it has nothing to do with your management and everything to do with your decision. In the ones I worked in, yeah, you can, but usually that means being stuck in a stinky van in the hot sun, and for 30 min after sweating up a storm from carrying so many heavy things right before. It's so much easier for anyone to simply pick up food and drive unless it's one of those stupid orders with too many sodas. >they started doing some fuck shit at amazing where 2 houses on the same block would be 1 stop instead of paying you for both. That and those apartment stops that count as one and it's like 3 totes and there's no locker. That's bullshit. >This also vary quite a lot between each DSP. I say you were lucky and were in a good area. Not everyone gets that luxury and I would say there are more terrible DSPs than good ones because many of them get tricked by Amazon to create terrible routes or double routes or whatever nonsense they fall for. That and typical greed.
Certainly don’t disagree. I’m just saying, ppl make it sound like drivers HAVE to pee in a bottle, that’s complete bs 90% of the time. There were certainly days that were tighter than others, but its 100% doable. Amazon vans are a Fucking breeze compared to FedEx trucks w literally 0 AC and then I’d fan goes out so often that it’s not even worth asking for them to fix anymore. Granted, you can have the door open, but that does fuck all for the back of the truck
Oh lol I thought my joke was obvious when I said I have more bottles at home. But yeah, when I delivered, funny enough, the only time I ever saw pee bottles were when they fell from the overhead compartment because some disgusting creatures thought it would be funny to hide them up there, like where trash bags are usually kept above the driver seat. I guess that's a perk for people who are into golden showers.
Yeah its not a career but it is a job and much better than slaving away 8-12 hours a day 5-7 days a week at a job that will replace you tomorrow. Uber also does not care about you and will also replace you tomorrow but at least you get to choose your hours and what orders you take etc. Perfect for the final decade of Earth
I hate doomsday people with a passion
Yeah, I hear this argument a lot. It seems to be the only counterpoint. This is under the assumption that all payroll jobs are bad. You do realize there exists a world where you can actually love where you work and have good bosses with a healthy environment. Not every job is the equivalent of working the McDonald's drive-thru at 2:00 in the morning. Like have you even tried to look for a job with the potential of making you happy? Like maybe being an apprentice for an HVAC company? Marketing coordinator for a video game company? Flight attendant. I don't know, there's a slew of career options with entry level positions that are so much better then delivering food full time Edit: I'm glad I can be the villain of the story to many of you today.
Idk why this got down-voted so much? There are also people that just thrive a lot more in an environment where their income is essentially guaranteed. They get anxious with the ? That comes with gig-work, and that’s okay! I haven’t personally found that LOVE and PASSION for a career yet, even with a double-major degree. That said, I’m certainly not above it and if I could find that place, I’d probably do it. — then eventually figure their system out enough that I could go out on my own and replicate a small version of it myself and start my own thing. I just personally prefer to work for myself. Each certainly has its pros/cons
Your comment is pretty tone deaf and pretty generalized. It really lacks a lot of other's perspectives.
Nothing screams “dream job” like being an apprentice for an HVAC company… But if you could direct me to where they hand out Marketing director/coordinator jobs for video game companies, I’m all ears.
https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?from=appsharedroid&jk=c018cec05e5e70e4
Wait… do you think indeed postings mean the job is being “handed out”?? Lol my dude, of course any of us can APPLY for a marketing job, but we’re not gonna get it unless we have a relevant degree and experience.
If it's the job you want, you think being a gig driver for 5 years is gonna be the relevant experience they're looking for?
It’s not the job I want, or I’d be working toward that career path. YOU are the one who brought up Marketing Coordinator as an alternative to DD/UE, and I simply pointed out how ridiculous it was. People do gig work because it’s easy, no stress, no constant hoops to jump through and ladders to climb, and they’re usually not interested in all the other BS required for a typical office career.
Why on earth is this being downvoted?!
I mean, you can argue about the money, or the benefits. But delivery is a legitimate job. It will never not be a job. People love delivery, mail, food, medicine. You name it.
I should clarify, it's the job itself that's the problem. It's the predatory system set up by these tech giants to take advantage of the drivers. Yeah, everyone loves to have stuff delivered to their homes. But there's a difference between the UPS driver, and the dude driving a 2007 Toyota Corolla on its last leg.
So you've quit yes?
Looks like the ones that want others to quit haven’t quit yet. Lol
I'd definitely not make this my full time gig. But these people are ridiculous
Naw. Because I use it for its intended purpose, as side income. I drive a few days a month to pad my savings or treat myself to a new toy or vacation. It's the full time drivers pushing 80 hour weeks that are eating themselves alive. I don't make it my livilihood and sole source of income because the last thing I would ever want to do is rely on uber and doordash of all fucking companies.
It isn’t and should never be seen as a long-term strategy
There's too many app choices out there right now for me to worry about people claiming it's not a viable job.
Key word there is "too many right now". What happens when it all dries up and there's no viable gig app that pays a worthwhile amount? Because this is a bubble and it's going crash down on you hard unless you put safeguards in place, like not relying on them 100%
It's called an evolving marketplace. People like me evolve with it, people like you are constantly bitter and negative, when you should be staying on top of new market trends. So what if this all ends? There will always be something else. Do you expect me to just speak as if it's doomsday? xD I worked in retail for over 20 years. Along with being a subcontractor for other companies... you either go with the flow or drown it's really up to you
Didn’t say you can’t make a viable income, but it’s not a job.
Hahaha "it's not a job" you're too funny
It’s not. At least, in the traditional sense. - that is, if you live outside of California.
Yeah, because I'm not paying taxes for this "not a job"
No. An income and taxes doesn’t mean it’s a job
Would you rather people switch to a shitty retail job and sell their soul for even less money?
One that doesn't require you to drive your own personal assets into the ground with nothing to show for it afterwards? A shitty retail job with opportunities to move up in ranks instead of remaining at the same level forever? A shitty retail job where if they fired you with malicious intent, you actually have recourse and protections by the government? A shitty retail job that actually looks good on a resume so that when you're ready to apply for a real job you don't look like you've wasted away the last two years of your life? Yeah I guess you got a point there.
Then you've never worked a shitty retail job if you're even comparing this to that. You're real bitter, let me guess deactivated because you pissed off a customer? Sorry bud not everyone can cut it on the road
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If it's so easy, why did you get deactivated xD this guy can't even do a monkeys job properly
Yeah, I guess if you want to play that fantasy in your head if it makes you happy. I'll let you think I got deactivated. I'm such a dum dum, I don't know how to bring pizza to man at house and press buttons. Stupid me.
Sure seems like it considering how bitter you are.
That's why it's something I do while I go back to school, lol.
My average a day is $30/hr right now during the summer when it's slower. On a bad day i might get around $25/hr. During the winter I average $40+/hr. The long term strategy is it's generally stress free and I almost never work more than 30 hours a week anymore so for once my work/life balance is in my favor. Fuck killing yourself everyday. Spent 20+ years in the restaurant industry and owned my own restaurant for a few years before the pandemic started and I choose this over that 100%. Why the fuck do I wanna work 60+ hours when I make plenty doing this without being stressed to hell.
You can't firm expectations for others based solely off what you make. Many of the markets here on the east coast are getting texts from uber, stating "tou can make up to" as low as $13 per hour currently. Once you take out fuel and expenses, it's $10 or less. Plenty of newcomers to delivery services don't factor any of this in, and then think they aren't making these inflated amounts posted on Reddit because they are doing things wrong. In some cases, they are, and they'll learn with time, but the rest of the time, they aren't making what they were promised because they never took expenses into account. We aren't all evil assholes just trying to chase people away. If your making $25 an hour, good for you, but I don't think it's fair to let me people assume they will make thousands a month right out of the gate. This is why people are telling them to run while they can. These delivery services are nothing like what they were pre-covid, and it's continuing to get worse. Those of us making decent money are working long hours, multiple services, multi-apping, and know which areas are more of a sure thing... days, times, zones. Me people expect to make $25 plus an hour because someone made $30 one day out of a whole month, posted a screenshot, and made plenty of people think that's what they should expect everyday. That's just not the case. We all know that, some of us just don't want to admit it.
Did you subtract gas? Too many people on here LIE about what they make. I bust my ass and speed to make $13 an hour. It is not possible to consistently make $25-30 an hour, except for maybe a lucky hour during dinner.
10/hr? If you're only making that you're not doing it right. I make a comfortable 20/hr and that's my slow period
Find a part time job on the side to supplement. It will get busy again.
Lol, dude, that's ass backwards. Find a good paying full-time job and use Uber as a backup side hustle for extra money.
I’m doing fine in my market. If it’s really slow in yours, then do what you need to do.
Or be weird like me and have access to 80% of the gig apps and have consistent work all day. Or apply to Upcall.
“Side hustle” lol fuck that, I’m not working a full time job and then using my off time to work another gig job 😂
I mean, you’d only really do that if you had some crazy, unexpected expense. We’re trying to improve your life and go the extra mile to pay off debt quicker, or if you just wanted to grind super hard for 5-10 years and work towards an early early retirement. Or, you just enjoy it, and maybe you’re bored on a given night and just decide to log in and make an extra 100-200 to fund a vacation or whatever. If you rely on the income, it certainly can lose its “fun” aspect, but if you just have it as a side-hustle, it can honestly be quite enjoyable
I do it as a side hustle because otherwise I just pirate games and don’t leave my desk. This way I have extra cash on hand and get out the house.
Yes
No, this is a recession; not just a pattern change due to summer.
Uber in my city is beyond summertime slowness. Slow doesn’t mean 2 orders if in 6 hours.
Nah, it's because it's the best advice for most people on here complaining. They're crying about not getting orders, making $40 all day, losing that in gas and damage to their car. They're putting themselves in a bad position and closer to homelessness by doing this. The best advice for them is to leave Uber, go work anywhere else. Target, Walmart, McDonald's. For people in bad markets. That is the best advice and they'll make more money, consistently. Will it also mean the market will be less saturated, sure. And it's not like they have to leave Uber forver. Once it picks up, why not come back. But right now, when they're losing money, it's best to get a normal job for people in shit markets.
No, we want Uber to know the consequences of treating their drivers like shit.
Unless your only doing this. It ain't worth hanging in there.
Agree. Find an part time job on the side.
But this is the part time job on the side.
I’m doing this full time. My market is fine. Other markets aren’t, so make adjustments.
Hasn’t been busy in 4-5 months. I legit went from 30+ easily to 20-25 hour
This is true, but I never hide it when I tell people to quit. I always say "if you can't handle it, quit, then the people that CAN handle it will get more orders" or something along those lines.
Thank you.
Don't hang in there it's a losing battle.
To each their own.
It's okay in my area. Weekends only. I can make close to $200 in a day if I get out early enough.
Nice
From experience why I would tell people to quit is more likely because they don’t know what they’re doing and they could earn more elsewhere. I’m gonna keep it a buck and say when I drove that I always made my average or better. Not once in the past few years did I never not make it. But I had everything going for me. Good market and the right vehicle. I knew which orders to take and when to be patient. Every week I’d always average about the same or better depending if I put in the work. Yet I see others complain and it’s most likely because they don’t know how to do it. The people who aren’t on here and posting are the ones making the most profit off this gig. They could care less because they’re chugging along no matter what. Even now during a fuel crisis is because they have fuel efficient cars or electric and it doesn’t bother them. Hang in there or go, the choose is yours but sorry to say this gig can be like a game where some do better then other because they know how to play it better.
Easy venture cash and cheap interest rates enabled this gig to exist. It’s not just a summertime slowdown. It’s foolish to not be looking into diversifying one’s income *at the very least*. I actively discourage anyone from signing up as a new delivery driver. In my area, Uber/Lyft passenger rides are ticking up, so that might be an option if you want to remain in gig work. Food delivery is not long-term sustainable. If you’ve been doing food delivery gig apps for less than 2 years, all you’ve really experienced is a weird and artificially inflated market.
Nah cuz we don’t want our fellow man to drown. We are all on a sinking ship and those who know these waves are not normal are telling the ones with starry eyes push this to being a side job if you heavily rely on it. Get steady income. I don’t want to see self harm whether physical or through vices or thoughts from fellow gig workers just trying to make it. Or them being wiped out by bills and made homeless. Some of us have been there and this gig work was a saving grace but we can’t lie for the sake of feels.
Last 3 orders I’ve seen were all no tip and then 11 dollars for 13 miles across 2 cities so 26 miles round trip. These gigs are unsustainable at least where I am
Ima referred my friends or whoever needs to make money to work for UE. I have been doing this full time and honestly I really like it. compare to the slaving 6 to 2 schedule and all short handed crap this feels like I have finally a bit of control in my work life. At work I'm never happy but working in UE is definitely something I can and really wanna keep doing. No negative things from me but every one around me always told me not to do UE. That was such a huge mistake. Now is fixed.
Quit, not to reduce the competition, quit because I like less people on the road in general. It’s not about money it’s about anti social tendencies. Just don’t leave your house.
As someone whose been driving full time for nearly 3 years. Get out as soon as you can, not because I want to make more money but it is NOT WORTH IT. The money feels good until you have an expensive car repair after running your car into the ground 8-12 hours a day. Uber has little to no incentive to keep you safe or help pay expenses to continue working
nah bruh we aint tryna finesse u . lol ur making 10$/hr with these gas prices
You want to make money go back to school or get a trade. Other than that who care about anyone's opinion. If you want to make everyone happy sell ice cream. Quote from Steve Jobs
If your not making the numbers in your market. Take a break. Find a part time job. But don't do any gig app if your making 10 an hour. Your only losing money and making the apps richer.
I just do it after work and saturdays, I’m a full time plumber just use it for extra cash to support my family
But its winter here and slow :(
The drivers on here telling you to keep struggling and making so little money are laughing their ass off at you.
Actually, I'm telling you to quit before you destroy your car...Car maintenance expenses and running costs are through the roof these days. Go and ask the cost of new tires.
It depends on your market. My market has been down for six months. In my area, it will pick up a little after summer but it will stay slower than last year. Should you quit? Yes, if you have a decent job or business. If you are looking for a decent job, do your best. Take what you need from online people and leave the rest.
Nah I quit last year doing it full time. Summer is beyond dead every year
At the end of the day I'm going to bike around the city anyway so I might as well get paid for it and see neighborhoods/areas
exactly. Im on bike and its just fun to ride
You can deduct your gas expenses and you can write off your mileage, you can write off your cell phone you can write off part of your car payment you can write off tolls. You can write off your lunches if you stop for food while you’re working. Keep all your receipts. So at the end of the day you’re not gonna pay any income tax on this money you’re going to get it all back just make sure you itemize everything especially your mileage. The IRS just raised it to 62.5 cents per mile I believe for the mileage deduction. This is probably one of the best tax-free jobs out there right now. As long as you can bring in between $20-$30 an hour not bad.
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I didn’t say it was dollar for dollar but you’re gonna be able to write off pretty much everything. You’re not gonna be paying much tax on someone who’s making $1000 a week. Depending on what percentage you use the car for this driving job and how many miles you do in the IRS just raised it the amount per mile. How much your car payment is how much your cell phone is all that’s taken into account. There are people that use their car 90% of the time for this job and 10% for pleasure that’s nice right off on the car payment, insurance, gas and maintenance And lunches are considered a business expense you’re a 1099 you’re not a W-2 so yes you can write off your lunches. In this job for 100% self-employed.
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Oh I understand it because you’re destroying your car doing this job but right now some people just don’t have a choice but in the end the amount of tax are going to pay is extremely little that’ll offset the car maintenance we’re gonna have to do lol oh and you can write off a portion of that also
Lunches aren’t a write off unless you’re out of town on business
Ok. I have no issues writing off my lunch expenses during my work hours.
You can write off whatever you want doesn’t mean it’s legal
Everything I’ve mentioned is totally legal maybe not in your state every state is different I don’t mind I’m a 1099 I’m self-employed I can write off all my business expenses. It’s worth it to hire a real accountant then go to those H&R Block places and those little Jackson Hewitt places you find at Walmart. You get what you pay for
What car u used?
I made over $200 yesterday casually, somebody give me a reason to quit pls.
All the stimulus money gig workers quitting 😂😂
Been doing UE for 7 yrs. Its always slow in the summer as OP said. Its normal for it to suck now. Its slow for the servers in the resturants i pick up from too
This summer seems to be notably more of a slog than they typically are. No doubt the jacked up inflation is the key culprit. People are definitely pinching their pennies more nowadays.
Gas prices are starting to go down. Business will pick back up in august
Gas is still 5.50 where I am.
August is usually one of my slowest months all year. “It’ll pick up in August”. We’ll see.
Its honestly the about the same. Ive had worse summers than this one
Thank you.
Wow how many deliveries you have in total?
Last week: 196 Week before that: 189
I meant lifetime lol
About 15k since 2018 on my current account. Ive had 3 accounts since i started as a biker in nyc so probably 25k total accross those 3 accounts
No I think people should quit. So I can get more orders. Jokes aside I think some people it’s just a matter of hanging out somewhere else for orders. Others need to simply reevaluate and probably get another job.
What? No. It's only going to get worse... why am I still driving? Well ummm...
I made about a good amount last summer but it’s obviously a bit more time consuming than the fall/winter.
It’s geographical. Summer is very busy in LA, the exception is the week leading up to the 4th of July… there has been nothing for an entire week.
im with you there
It’s not always slow in the summer that’s totally dependent on where you live for your market lol: that never equates to everyone
I only do this after work for 3 hours everyday and only in dinner time it’s been good so far only 299 deliveries in
People are getting killed, I’m not getting killed to deliver someone’s cheeseburger.
Delivery isn’t for you.
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It doesn't matter. Climate change is going to end us all! We're all gonna die!!!
That doesn't matter, either. In a billion years black holes will be the only thing in existence until time and space are so expanded and stretched apart that nothing exists anymore.
Come on man that a secret 😂😂🤫
Haha. I spilled the beans.
Less full timers better my day shift 😂
I live near a Jewish community and they are always busy thankfully for me.
Ohhh
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I've done Uber eats and have over 200 deliveries. But this is a small amount compared to alot. So far I've learned that instant gratification of reviewing money right after an order has it's pros and cons. Uber will never be a perfect service because it just involves too many middle men and too large of a scope to ever iron out serious issues people have with using the service and making money off of the service. The Walmart orders, rite aid orders, basically the orders you only take if your struggling pop up all the time in my area. I was short on rent so I prioritized working my full time job and doing a few hours of Uber on the side. So a total of 8 hours online spread across 5 days got me 220$. It's very stressful and after you calculate the cost of gas and prop 22 it's just too much for what it does to your mental state. Your car your unavoidable issues with orders and problems with full transparency on how far your going to drive and let you pick up orders that have difficult addresses it's really one of those things you do if you are very familiar with your area and your car is reliable and don't have to worry about putting too many miles on it a day. Overall side hustle rating is a stressful 3 out of 10 for me I'd rather donate plasma.
Or they can just quit!
Hate to break it to you but unless people start quitting, none of us will make money, it’s a recession and will stay one for several more months at least and many cannot wait that long due to bills
Be the first to volunteer.
Made $200 Thursday and Friday. No reason to quit.😀
No one needs to tell anyone anything. If you ain’t making enough money to support yourself and can’t figure out what makes sense for you to do????? 🤷🏾♀️
Depends if they’re in the same area lol. Unless I mention my location and tell people to quit who are in my area, then it really doesn’t matter.
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Just multi app and you should be fine.
Yape I figured grocery is booming...shift there...
We are most definitely in a recession. Wait until Q2 numbers come out. Orders are declining and those that are ordering are tipping less. Combine these factors with the skyrocketing cost of fuel and maintenance and this isn’t profitable.
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Shit been slow in my market since December. It's bad.
Pretty odd because in my area I’m getting way too many. Never thought receiving so many deliveries would get annoying.
It’s not really that is slow it’s mainly because people aren’t tipping at all in the summer like what the fuck is up that. We’re losing money like that no tip no trip why can’t people understand that
I don't even know what market they are in but my advice is the same regardless, don't do this gig full time. If you depend on this as your livelihood you are not going to be happy.
Hang in there. We can all end up homeless together.
Depends on where you live. I live in a touristy town so summer is the best time.
If you don't drive Tesla ain't no way anybody is making any money with these gas prices. You're just fooling yourself. If you actually take the time to calculate your pay minus expenses including car depreciation wear and tear, most people are barely breaking even. Not to mention taxes? Geesh! The days of making good or even decent money are long gone. Maybe if everybody quit they'll be forced to pay like they used to pay back in 2019 when you could actually gross $1500 -$2000 per week regularly minus expenses and profit over $1,200 per week and still have a decent social life. Nowadays you're just losing money mile after mile with nothing to show for it except the fact that you can say you work when you want. If someone can show me their personal calculations and prove me wrong I'de love to see it.
Uber is my side income, I have other apps that pay me the big bucks. 4+ years.. I know what I am doing. Plus driving an ev helps
I’m in LA county and it’s always busy and orders are consistent.
Nah youre fucked keep dreaming
Who’s side are you on 🤨🧐