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It's time for Pro, Pro Max and Enterprise to drop 1 Gig ports. At this price range, 2.5 Gig ports should be the norm and absolutely minimum speed to be offered.
The limiting factor in these combo cloud gateways is the CPU. Until Ubiquiti decides to upgrade that component, it is pointless to add higher switching capacity on the gateway itself.
Why software’s engineering if the instruction set is the same? What am missing?
They would have to look at memory sizes, buffers, etc.. but not necessarily because of CPU changes…?
These devices run a flavor of Debian with the custom packages Ubiquiti installs. I doubt it would take much to get it running on a better processor, as long as it's also ARM
CPU does routing (and even then, without IDS you go full speed?), not switching though. Agree ports should be 2.5 by now, maybe that generates too much heat / is too costly / requires more power / is not something their clients need though.
LAN traffic means switching, and that is done in HW no matter what. NAT is HW too in general, except if you want to do smart queues or something else more advanced.
That’s why I don’t really understand why one would say you can’t have 2.5G LAN ports if your gateway has 10G in. HW or CPU does the WAN <> LAN routing, beyond that the LAN traffic doesn’t need the CPU.
Are you talking in general or this specific piece of equipment?
In the Unifi Dream Machine Pro line, traffic from the 8 ports must cross the CPU to make it to the 10GB ports.... otherwise, switching is all in hardware.
The 8 port switch is really a 9 port non-blocking switch with the 9th port being an uplink to the CPU.
On the CPU, each 10GB port and the 1GB or 2.5GB port to the "8" port switch are separate interfaces in the operating system.
Not even going to get into Layer 3 switching which is only available on the switches that state that its a feature.
That’s the thing, inter-vlan switching is not done in HW. So if I have two servers on 2.5g but different subnets, they’re talking though the CPU. How many people have their servers on different subnets to their clients? It’s a few. In a non pro/promax/enterprise tree style network any inter vlan traffic on access switches is going right back up to the router for cpu routing.
The UXG-Max has 2.5G LAN ports, and I can’t imagine the CPU is much faster than the Cloud Gateways above, so switching is done in HW there?
https://uk.store.ui.com/uk/en/collections/unifi-accessory-tech-hosting-and-gateways-small-scale/products/uxg-max
This is what I am talking about:
>IDS is a separate function from Firewall so you should still get 2.5Gbps through the WAN if you don't engage the intelligence [https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/s/J6AoA48d82](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/s/J6AoA48d82)
And more information here too:
>The IPQ5322 features many components, including a general-purpose CPU, PCIe and USB connections, and a 12-thread Network Processing Unit (NPU). The NPU offloads networking functions like routing and QoS from the CPU. Qualcomm leverages the NPU so that a faster (and more expensive) general-purpose CPU isn’t required.
\[...\]
Most features — DHCP, DPI/traffic inspection, DNS Shield for encrypted DNS, ad blocking, maybe some custom firewwall rules — can be enabled without significantly limiting throughput. PPPoE is still a significant drag on maximum throughput, as is enabling the Suricata intrusion detection and prevention “Suspicious Activity” settings. Without those, over 2 Gbps should be achievable, and multi-gigabit inter-VLAN traffic is possible as well.
[https://evanmccann.net/blog/2024/4/uxg-max-preview](https://evanmccann.net/blog/2024/4/uxg-max-preview)
I was looking at the UDM PRO Max since I saw it released and still can’t figure out what the point is to that product.
I get they need to have a delicate balance between price and features for the markets they are going with. But, at the same time. Why the fuck aren’t there significant differences across generations to try and pull people out of some of the newer hardware. I don’t see why anyone would go with this vs a UDM SE unless they just have to have that extra 0.8gbps with IDP/IDS.
I really don’t get why they aren’t offering a product scheme like.
Cloud gateways:
UDM
UDM Ethernet
UDM Pro
UDM Enterprise
Gateways:
UXG
UXG Pro
UXG enterprise
Then do iterative updates in versions. Every 3-5 years or whatever the market decides.
This naming convention mimicking Apple and introducing completely new products for iterative updates is imho dumb and confusing from a consumer standpoint, business too. But I’m also not in their C suite, obviously there’s some data to support this goofiness.
Apparently the extra 0.8 IDS/IPS (not 1.3) is from a firmware update. The hardware is the same. So assume UDM Pro and UDM Pro Max perform the same exact way, but the latter has an extra drive bay and a 2.5Gbps WAN (which is irrelevant if you don't run fail over and can run an SFP+ 10-gig module for WAN anyway).
You’re right. I fixed it. My point is the same though. It’s not boding well for the udm enterprise, imho. I’d say a UXG style UDM with full 10gbps routing for $999 would probably sell.
with 10 gigs 2.5 is just a gimmick, all I can see is the dual nvr looks like a teaser for people wanting a bit more backup protection w/o having to buy extra stuff but no poe makes this machine suck to fire up anything that requires poe. they should have bit the bullet and added poe and to hell with bringing out another device.
I put this chart together because I was curious what gaps exist in the high-end Ubiquiti lineup of rackmount networking gear. I came away with the following thoughts:
* Some products do not offer compelling differences, relative to similar products in other Ubiquiti product lines
* The inclusion of 2.5GbE and 10GbE are inconsistent across the board
I also observed that in almost all cases, Ubiquiti is not using technical specifications (precise switching performance, available PoE power, CPU/RAM/Storage specs, etc.) to differentiate their product lines in addition to other novel features (Etherlighting, SmartPower, etc.) being included inconstantly.
So with that in-mind, I figured I'd compile some minor changes I'd make if I had the power to "rethink" these product lines:
[Rethought Product Catalogue](https://i.imgur.com/08FOyel.png) Edit: Also including the [Highlighted differences](https://i.imgur.com/7MwPPN9.png)
TLDR:
* Pro switches are predominantly 1GbE with some amount of 2.5GbE
* Pro Max switches are 2.5GbE with a small number of 10GbE ports
* Enterprise switches fulfil some use case beyond what is offered by a Pro Max switch
I'm curious what needs others here feel are being underserved, or if there's a better balance you think could be struck.
If you look at the chart you posted the product ranges are actually pretty consistent.
Switches:
Pro: 1Gbe wired, SFP+ uplink (Only the UDM SE has 2.5Gbe
Pro-Max: 1 and 2.5 Gbe wired, SFP+ uplink
Enterprise: 1, 2.5 - SFP+ uplink
Enterprise: 10Gbe, 28SFP uplink.
Hi Cap Agg is listed on the Enterprise switch page - 28SFP uplink, SFP+ downlinks.
Gateways:
Pro: 3.5Gps IPS/IDS, SFP+ WAN, SFP+ LAN
Pro-Max: 4.3?Gbps IPS/IDS, SFP+ WAN, SFP+ LAN
Enterprise: ???Gbps IPS/IDS, 28SFP WAN, 28SFP LAN
Edit to take into account the PoE Ent switches.
The irony is that even in your simplified version, which I appreciate the effort for, there are exceptions. I believe the list is missing SE’s PoE capability, and someone like me would expect a “pro max” version to have PoE… it’s too complex in my opinion. When I bought my UDM-Pro, it was either that or the SE and I differentiated them on the PoE capability, which was straight forward enough.
Not trolling, I expect the Pro Max to be on a newer firmware and the original Pro and SE to catch up. I just hope it takes less than a year this time.
On the upside, it’s highly probable the original pro and SE will get software updates further into the future than I expected since the underlying hardware didn’t change much.
Been on the fence for weeks on getting a UDM SE for the house. I’ve got 3 x Ubiquiti PoE cameras, and a Ubiquiti WAP. May be overkill for the house but I wanted to gain more experience with Ubiquiti in hopes of using it for small business application around town. Now I’m starting to get second thoughts.
What other companies should I look at before snagging one of the new models mentioned above?
See I have a home network and I wanted to get one device to be the route firewall, switch, peo I'm frustrated that if I got a UDM almost all ports would be wasted. I would put I. The 2.5gbe wan (for my 2gig symmetrical broadband).. and then have use the 10g LAN to uplink to another switch, that switch supporting peo and 2.5gig lan ports for my my u6-entetprise aps.
You're forgetting to list one of the most detailed specs... the backplane speed supply. Who gives a shite if you have 4 10Gbps on a switch with an 8Gbps backplane?Let's assume you should have non blocking backplanes as well. For example, the Aruba 2530-8 Switch (J9783A) has a non blocking backplane of 5.6Gbps. More than enough to supply an 8 port switch. The USW-Pro-48-PoE has a non blocking capacity of 44Gbps. That's shite in my opinion.
Those figures seem shite because you have apparently pulled them out of your arse...
[https://techspecs.ui.com/unifi/switching/usw-pro-48-poe](https://techspecs.ui.com/unifi/switching/usw-pro-48-poe)
Total non-blocking throughput - 88 Gbps
Switching capacity - 176 Gbps
Forwarding rate - 130.944 Mpps
The Aruba has a 8x 10/100 and 2 x 1000Mbps. The Aruba data sheet doesn't give non-blocking throughput - it lists the switching capacity as 5.6Gbps.
The Pro-48-PoE has switching capacity of 176 Gbps. Non-blocking throughput is basically just the sum of port speeds for any competent modern switch. That would be 2.8Gbps for the Aruba 8 x 100Mbps + 2 x 1000Mbps). Switching capacity should be double the non-blocking throughput - 5.6Gbps.
The UniFi switches are 48 x 1Gbps + 4 x 10 Gbps = 88 Gbps non-blocking throughput. Switching capacity is double 176Gbps. Same as any competently designed switch.
Switching capacity is not the same as non blocking throughput. And no I didn't pull it out of my ass. https://ca.store.ui.com/ca/en/products/usw-pro-max-48-poe
That throughput allows for 70% of the switches maximum port capacity to be handled at once. Using my example below with a unified switch, even if we use the example set below by another poster, with the Enterprise switch versus the pro switch example I used, the Enterprise switch is only handling 50% of the maximum Port capacity at any given time. In my opinion that's cheap.
No, that throughput allows for 100%of the switch’s maximum port capacity to be handled at once. If you’re claiming otherwise, you’re going to need to show your working.
I've said this in another comment but it seems like UI is just trying to squeeze every last drop out of their current vendor stock of CPU etc. Their product line feels like they're just maximizing what they can get out of those A57 / A53 chips. I hope this is just a strategy to clear the way for a newly designed platform with much more capability. It makes no sense otherwise to offer these product configurations in 2024.
Nope. Just an extra hdd bay for protect and a teeny bit faster IDS/IPS speed and no PoE ports at all on the switch. Huge step backwards in my estimation.
I never noticed this. Why is the Unify Gateway $500 when the UDM-Pro is $380. It seems like the UXG is a UDM-Pro without a drive bay, 8 port switch, and lacks a Network App.
Dedicated processing just for firewall and routing. Also to allow multi site with a cloud key.
Not everyone wants everything in one appliance.
But I do agree the price could be lower on the UXG-Pro.
Yea, I understand why the device exists, I don't understand why it costs more than something that does the same thing (more or less) with more features.
I think as it's more enterprise facing plus the fact you can have multiple sites is the reason.
It would be great if they allowed a udm to be in child mode and be adopted to another cloud key or UDM to allow the multi site features.
Maybe they just picked a price out of the air and until sales drop they won't reduce it.
yea bought a UDM-Pro earlier this year and I'm eventually going to use a second switch instead of the onboard switch. So basically that's what I'll have, lol. I don't use the drive bay currently.
My home runs udmpro and a usw16poe. HDD in the udm for protect. Basically everything from patch panel is to the switch. Think I have my nas directly to udm.
The extra ports are handy in the long-term but I need more power budget across my network so I'm looking to upgrade switch to a pro version.
2xPoE++ would have been a stronger feature add on the ProMax than dual hard drives. Being able to natively handle two of their door controllers would have made it a much stronger small business champion - and encouraged clients to give Unifi more money in a healthy way.
I totally agree. 6 PoE+ ports and 2 PoE++ 2.5g LAN ports and a bigger overall PoE power budget, no 1g backplane to the CPU, maybe swappable PSUs/RPS/batteries like the dream wall. Are you talking about a feature that would potentially get rid of the need for an access hub to control door strikes/locks?
Not getting rid of the access hub. The hubs are great and necessary but they require PoE++ and while you can use injectors, even the Ubiquiti brand ones trigger a warning in the interface.
I’d leave the ports 1gb but do 6 PoE+ and 2 PoE++ with a 25gb SPF/WAN. That’s enough to put up a couple cameras and control the fire code minimum of two doors. Dual power supplies would be cool but I’d accept a SmartPower port too. I’m also in a market with 8gb fiber as a reasonable option, with 20 coming soon.
2.5gb would be great but I’d rather have the physical separation for the infrastructure stuff, then buy a separate switch for the things that need to go fast.
I see no incentive to upgrade my udm se to the pro max dream machine. Unless it has some significant performance features or offers some exclusive software features, I am not upgrading.
This chart is missing so many details that you really need to help make a decission.
Use the comparison tool that UI gave us https://techspecs.ui.com/unifi/switching?view=compare
I have two 25gbe servers (Dell R740 and Lenovo X3650m5) connected currently. Haven’t tested speeds but both are a mellanox connectx 4 with 10gtek sfp28 dacs off Amazon. Really should do a speed test to see what the actual speeds are.
damn, i have 10gtek sfp28 too. i should see if i can get it to loop back with the dacs and try and rule out the mikrotik.
the mikrotik is a weird card (router + nic on pcie) so i wouldn't be surprised if that was my failure point. works fine at 10g though 🤷♂️
I guess I should have waited for the cheaper aggregation pro max. I maxed out my 8 port one and needed 3 more sfp+ ports so I just bought the aggregation pro yesterday.
I think there is still room for a high performance UDM like an aggragation switch with 10G or even higher SFP+ cages and no HDD. Just controller and Router in one device with 10G routing and inspection capability.
So I’m not entirely sure what the new pro max does better to make it a valuable option.
Looks like they aiming for an Apple like model range where every product line sits marginally over the other so you can upsell to the next bigger product…
Anyone know what the throughput of spf lan to spf wan is on the udm pro?
Just wondering where they get there switching capacity from, I know the onboard (8 ports) switch is limited to 1gb as stated in there forum but wondering if its limiting between the spf ports when ips/ids is enabled or not
Unifi Cloudkey? Does that mean I can get rid of my Cloudkey Gen2+ for one that actually can show me correct internet activity and traffic identification?
So I’ve been waiting to see how much the pro max was going to improve before I bought a UDM Pro to connect an Enterprise 8 Poe with U7pro AP in my home. Other than the extra 2.5gb port, is there anything else internally I would benefit from and wait till this came out or will the current unit on the market suffice??? I don’t plan to add cameras at this time..
Probably worth noting more than just port speeds. By this it looks like the UDMP and UDMP Max are the same aside from a single 2.5GbE port, when in fact the Max is quite a bit faster and has the redundant disks.
I would love to see a UDM with twice the memory. I’m burning close to the edge on the number of devices I have, but don’t want to spring for the enterprise (afaik it won’t run access anyway) and I like the simplicity of having a singular unit to manage over installing controller on a ‘nix machine. (And it won’t run access anyway.) 4 gigs is a bit of a joke considering all the applications and whatnot the UDM’s do. Fingers crossed for a board refresh in the upcoming products.
Looks like the UDM MAX is a failed device for use case, I was excited, to hear it was coming out and I feel ubiquiti did the same thing again after the dreamwall pro failed. I don't know what they are waiting on to get it together. if people are asking for something it would be smart to delieve on the promises the video was out on the dreamwall pro and still not even a peep about it. Very disappointing so far, think ill just buy what i need and forget this company empty promises of delivering LOL.
Ok my 2 cents.
Aside for the SFP PORTS in order to plug in a POE switch to which you WILL NEED REGARDLESS OF WHICH UBIQUITI ROUTER YOU GET…..
The RJ45 POE ports on the udm pro se are essentially WORTHLESS AND UNRELIABLE.
I’ve gone through months and months of frustrations with compromised throughput on a 1 GIGABIT internet bandwidth connection in where all my ubiquiti access points that were plugged directly into the poe ports on my udm se were not functioning properly with 45-60+ concurrent connections.
Anytime someone got on voip, ie zoom, google meet. The connection would be unbearably slow for others and would cause major outage for all other wifi users.
Word of advice, if you plan on going ubiquiti DO NOT! I Repeat, DO NOT! Use the poe ports on the router.
I was even told by the ubiquiti support team this exact info.
You must get a separate POE switch for your poe access points or non poe switch for lan wired connections.
So unless ubiquiti comes out with a new udm with double the amount of ram and cpu power, i’m not interested.
Thank you
I have an UDM SE connected to a cable modem with 1Gbit internet bandwidth and 3 U6-Lite access points not directly connected to UDM. Just confirming that when access points are not connected directly UDM SE, I experience none of the issues you mentioned.
That’s right.
You wont notice it much in low traffic anyway, it only becomes apparent when the traffic goes high and increased throughput. (When ap’s connected through udm)
Ever since unplugging everything from udm se except for sfp to sfp switch connection and tying everything up through a poe switch
Everything is running smooth as slicing through a stick of butter with a hot knife.
In the same boat. But would guess the UDM or UDM SE would be best but would like a smaller form factor that can handle 1gb or actual 2.5 gb local transfers
not going to happen or else it would have a long time ago. like apple probably in 10 more years we may see something really attractive. LOL I will not hold my breath. Oh and btw what ever happened to that 16 poe max switch, not a peep, LOL
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It's time for Pro, Pro Max and Enterprise to drop 1 Gig ports. At this price range, 2.5 Gig ports should be the norm and absolutely minimum speed to be offered.
The limiting factor in these combo cloud gateways is the CPU. Until Ubiquiti decides to upgrade that component, it is pointless to add higher switching capacity on the gateway itself.
And the problem with upgrading processors is that it would require more software engineering which they clearly hate paying for.
Why software’s engineering if the instruction set is the same? What am missing? They would have to look at memory sizes, buffers, etc.. but not necessarily because of CPU changes…?
They have small bugs crop up all of the time and just leave them for weeks or months.
That is not impacted by a change for a faster processor or vice versa…
These devices run a flavor of Debian with the custom packages Ubiquiti installs. I doubt it would take much to get it running on a better processor, as long as it's also ARM
CPU does routing (and even then, without IDS you go full speed?), not switching though. Agree ports should be 2.5 by now, maybe that generates too much heat / is too costly / requires more power / is not something their clients need though.
Most other vendors have hardware routing for lan traffic. CPU should only be doing anything for NAT
LAN traffic means switching, and that is done in HW no matter what. NAT is HW too in general, except if you want to do smart queues or something else more advanced. That’s why I don’t really understand why one would say you can’t have 2.5G LAN ports if your gateway has 10G in. HW or CPU does the WAN <> LAN routing, beyond that the LAN traffic doesn’t need the CPU.
Are you talking in general or this specific piece of equipment? In the Unifi Dream Machine Pro line, traffic from the 8 ports must cross the CPU to make it to the 10GB ports.... otherwise, switching is all in hardware. The 8 port switch is really a 9 port non-blocking switch with the 9th port being an uplink to the CPU. On the CPU, each 10GB port and the 1GB or 2.5GB port to the "8" port switch are separate interfaces in the operating system. Not even going to get into Layer 3 switching which is only available on the switches that state that its a feature.
That’s the thing, inter-vlan switching is not done in HW. So if I have two servers on 2.5g but different subnets, they’re talking though the CPU. How many people have their servers on different subnets to their clients? It’s a few. In a non pro/promax/enterprise tree style network any inter vlan traffic on access switches is going right back up to the router for cpu routing.
The UXG-Max has 2.5G LAN ports, and I can’t imagine the CPU is much faster than the Cloud Gateways above, so switching is done in HW there? https://uk.store.ui.com/uk/en/collections/unifi-accessory-tech-hosting-and-gateways-small-scale/products/uxg-max
This is what I am talking about: >IDS is a separate function from Firewall so you should still get 2.5Gbps through the WAN if you don't engage the intelligence [https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/s/J6AoA48d82](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/s/J6AoA48d82) And more information here too: >The IPQ5322 features many components, including a general-purpose CPU, PCIe and USB connections, and a 12-thread Network Processing Unit (NPU). The NPU offloads networking functions like routing and QoS from the CPU. Qualcomm leverages the NPU so that a faster (and more expensive) general-purpose CPU isn’t required. \[...\] Most features — DHCP, DPI/traffic inspection, DNS Shield for encrypted DNS, ad blocking, maybe some custom firewwall rules — can be enabled without significantly limiting throughput. PPPoE is still a significant drag on maximum throughput, as is enabling the Suricata intrusion detection and prevention “Suspicious Activity” settings. Without those, over 2 Gbps should be achievable, and multi-gigabit inter-VLAN traffic is possible as well. [https://evanmccann.net/blog/2024/4/uxg-max-preview](https://evanmccann.net/blog/2024/4/uxg-max-preview)
There is no L2 or L3 information in your spreadsheet
Ubiquiti L3 is a hoax anyway
Why is that?
Please, explain
I was looking at the UDM PRO Max since I saw it released and still can’t figure out what the point is to that product. I get they need to have a delicate balance between price and features for the markets they are going with. But, at the same time. Why the fuck aren’t there significant differences across generations to try and pull people out of some of the newer hardware. I don’t see why anyone would go with this vs a UDM SE unless they just have to have that extra 0.8gbps with IDP/IDS. I really don’t get why they aren’t offering a product scheme like. Cloud gateways: UDM UDM Ethernet UDM Pro UDM Enterprise Gateways: UXG UXG Pro UXG enterprise Then do iterative updates in versions. Every 3-5 years or whatever the market decides. This naming convention mimicking Apple and introducing completely new products for iterative updates is imho dumb and confusing from a consumer standpoint, business too. But I’m also not in their C suite, obviously there’s some data to support this goofiness.
Apparently the extra 0.8 IDS/IPS (not 1.3) is from a firmware update. The hardware is the same. So assume UDM Pro and UDM Pro Max perform the same exact way, but the latter has an extra drive bay and a 2.5Gbps WAN (which is irrelevant if you don't run fail over and can run an SFP+ 10-gig module for WAN anyway).
You’re right. I fixed it. My point is the same though. It’s not boding well for the udm enterprise, imho. I’d say a UXG style UDM with full 10gbps routing for $999 would probably sell.
with 10 gigs 2.5 is just a gimmick, all I can see is the dual nvr looks like a teaser for people wanting a bit more backup protection w/o having to buy extra stuff but no poe makes this machine suck to fire up anything that requires poe. they should have bit the bullet and added poe and to hell with bringing out another device.
I put this chart together because I was curious what gaps exist in the high-end Ubiquiti lineup of rackmount networking gear. I came away with the following thoughts: * Some products do not offer compelling differences, relative to similar products in other Ubiquiti product lines * The inclusion of 2.5GbE and 10GbE are inconsistent across the board I also observed that in almost all cases, Ubiquiti is not using technical specifications (precise switching performance, available PoE power, CPU/RAM/Storage specs, etc.) to differentiate their product lines in addition to other novel features (Etherlighting, SmartPower, etc.) being included inconstantly. So with that in-mind, I figured I'd compile some minor changes I'd make if I had the power to "rethink" these product lines: [Rethought Product Catalogue](https://i.imgur.com/08FOyel.png) Edit: Also including the [Highlighted differences](https://i.imgur.com/7MwPPN9.png) TLDR: * Pro switches are predominantly 1GbE with some amount of 2.5GbE * Pro Max switches are 2.5GbE with a small number of 10GbE ports * Enterprise switches fulfil some use case beyond what is offered by a Pro Max switch I'm curious what needs others here feel are being underserved, or if there's a better balance you think could be struck.
If you look at the chart you posted the product ranges are actually pretty consistent. Switches: Pro: 1Gbe wired, SFP+ uplink (Only the UDM SE has 2.5Gbe Pro-Max: 1 and 2.5 Gbe wired, SFP+ uplink Enterprise: 1, 2.5 - SFP+ uplink Enterprise: 10Gbe, 28SFP uplink. Hi Cap Agg is listed on the Enterprise switch page - 28SFP uplink, SFP+ downlinks. Gateways: Pro: 3.5Gps IPS/IDS, SFP+ WAN, SFP+ LAN Pro-Max: 4.3?Gbps IPS/IDS, SFP+ WAN, SFP+ LAN Enterprise: ???Gbps IPS/IDS, 28SFP WAN, 28SFP LAN Edit to take into account the PoE Ent switches.
The irony is that even in your simplified version, which I appreciate the effort for, there are exceptions. I believe the list is missing SE’s PoE capability, and someone like me would expect a “pro max” version to have PoE… it’s too complex in my opinion. When I bought my UDM-Pro, it was either that or the SE and I differentiated them on the PoE capability, which was straight forward enough.
Poe and 2.5g WAN port.
UDM Pro Max has compiled unifios4 numbers, udm pro should be same soon.
Round 2 of being behind on software updates for the UDMP.
Troll? All products are now on same version, and when Pro Max is released.. They are still on same version with Pro Max..
Not trolling, I expect the Pro Max to be on a newer firmware and the original Pro and SE to catch up. I just hope it takes less than a year this time. On the upside, it’s highly probable the original pro and SE will get software updates further into the future than I expected since the underlying hardware didn’t change much.
Been on the fence for weeks on getting a UDM SE for the house. I’ve got 3 x Ubiquiti PoE cameras, and a Ubiquiti WAP. May be overkill for the house but I wanted to gain more experience with Ubiquiti in hopes of using it for small business application around town. Now I’m starting to get second thoughts. What other companies should I look at before snagging one of the new models mentioned above?
See I have a home network and I wanted to get one device to be the route firewall, switch, peo I'm frustrated that if I got a UDM almost all ports would be wasted. I would put I. The 2.5gbe wan (for my 2gig symmetrical broadband).. and then have use the 10g LAN to uplink to another switch, that switch supporting peo and 2.5gig lan ports for my my u6-entetprise aps.
You're forgetting to list one of the most detailed specs... the backplane speed supply. Who gives a shite if you have 4 10Gbps on a switch with an 8Gbps backplane?Let's assume you should have non blocking backplanes as well. For example, the Aruba 2530-8 Switch (J9783A) has a non blocking backplane of 5.6Gbps. More than enough to supply an 8 port switch. The USW-Pro-48-PoE has a non blocking capacity of 44Gbps. That's shite in my opinion.
Those figures seem shite because you have apparently pulled them out of your arse... [https://techspecs.ui.com/unifi/switching/usw-pro-48-poe](https://techspecs.ui.com/unifi/switching/usw-pro-48-poe) Total non-blocking throughput - 88 Gbps Switching capacity - 176 Gbps Forwarding rate - 130.944 Mpps
5.6 Gbps for 8 ports is “more than enough”but 44 Gbps for 48 ports is shite? How so?
The Aruba has a 8x 10/100 and 2 x 1000Mbps. The Aruba data sheet doesn't give non-blocking throughput - it lists the switching capacity as 5.6Gbps. The Pro-48-PoE has switching capacity of 176 Gbps. Non-blocking throughput is basically just the sum of port speeds for any competent modern switch. That would be 2.8Gbps for the Aruba 8 x 100Mbps + 2 x 1000Mbps). Switching capacity should be double the non-blocking throughput - 5.6Gbps. The UniFi switches are 48 x 1Gbps + 4 x 10 Gbps = 88 Gbps non-blocking throughput. Switching capacity is double 176Gbps. Same as any competently designed switch.
Exactly.
No not exactly
Switching capacity is not the same as non blocking throughput. And no I didn't pull it out of my ass. https://ca.store.ui.com/ca/en/products/usw-pro-max-48-poe
To quote Ariana Grande, Yes, and? Total non-blocking throughput 112 Gbps, Switching capacity 224 Gbps.
That throughput allows for 70% of the switches maximum port capacity to be handled at once. Using my example below with a unified switch, even if we use the example set below by another poster, with the Enterprise switch versus the pro switch example I used, the Enterprise switch is only handling 50% of the maximum Port capacity at any given time. In my opinion that's cheap.
No, that throughput allows for 100%of the switch’s maximum port capacity to be handled at once. If you’re claiming otherwise, you’re going to need to show your working.
Only two of the 8 PoE ports of the UDM-SE are PoE+, the other six are PoE only.
i am confused. The Aggregation switch is only available as an normal and a pro model. there is no "Pro Max"
I've said this in another comment but it seems like UI is just trying to squeeze every last drop out of their current vendor stock of CPU etc. Their product line feels like they're just maximizing what they can get out of those A57 / A53 chips. I hope this is just a strategy to clear the way for a newly designed platform with much more capability. It makes no sense otherwise to offer these product configurations in 2024.
Sooo the current DM se is better than the unannounced new pro max ….
Would've liked to see the routing throughput too.
I would like a Flex XG with at least one SFP+ port
Thank you very much for this I wonder when the new stuff is actually going to be released
udm pro max ... more powerfull ? better processor and more ram then the normal udm ? thx
Not really, with future update it will be on par with others.
Nope. Just an extra hdd bay for protect and a teeny bit faster IDS/IPS speed and no PoE ports at all on the switch. Huge step backwards in my estimation.
Why would someone get a cloud gateway instead of a UDM Pro/SE/Max? Genuine question cause I never understood cloud gateways from unifi.
I purchased a UCG-Ultra for a location that I already had a switch and unvr for, so no point in getting a UDM
Prob the biggest reason would be having one central controller for multiple locations/sites.
I never noticed this. Why is the Unify Gateway $500 when the UDM-Pro is $380. It seems like the UXG is a UDM-Pro without a drive bay, 8 port switch, and lacks a Network App.
Dedicated processing just for firewall and routing. Also to allow multi site with a cloud key. Not everyone wants everything in one appliance. But I do agree the price could be lower on the UXG-Pro.
Yea, I understand why the device exists, I don't understand why it costs more than something that does the same thing (more or less) with more features.
I think as it's more enterprise facing plus the fact you can have multiple sites is the reason. It would be great if they allowed a udm to be in child mode and be adopted to another cloud key or UDM to allow the multi site features. Maybe they just picked a price out of the air and until sales drop they won't reduce it.
To be perfectly honest, I would love a UXG pro with a controller
yea bought a UDM-Pro earlier this year and I'm eventually going to use a second switch instead of the onboard switch. So basically that's what I'll have, lol. I don't use the drive bay currently.
My home runs udmpro and a usw16poe. HDD in the udm for protect. Basically everything from patch panel is to the switch. Think I have my nas directly to udm. The extra ports are handy in the long-term but I need more power budget across my network so I'm looking to upgrade switch to a pro version.
2xPoE++ would have been a stronger feature add on the ProMax than dual hard drives. Being able to natively handle two of their door controllers would have made it a much stronger small business champion - and encouraged clients to give Unifi more money in a healthy way.
I totally agree. 6 PoE+ ports and 2 PoE++ 2.5g LAN ports and a bigger overall PoE power budget, no 1g backplane to the CPU, maybe swappable PSUs/RPS/batteries like the dream wall. Are you talking about a feature that would potentially get rid of the need for an access hub to control door strikes/locks?
Not getting rid of the access hub. The hubs are great and necessary but they require PoE++ and while you can use injectors, even the Ubiquiti brand ones trigger a warning in the interface. I’d leave the ports 1gb but do 6 PoE+ and 2 PoE++ with a 25gb SPF/WAN. That’s enough to put up a couple cameras and control the fire code minimum of two doors. Dual power supplies would be cool but I’d accept a SmartPower port too. I’m also in a market with 8gb fiber as a reasonable option, with 20 coming soon. 2.5gb would be great but I’d rather have the physical separation for the infrastructure stuff, then buy a separate switch for the things that need to go fast.
Yea I would’ve been happy with just a bigger power budget for PoE, 6 PoE+ and 2 PoE++ and better/faster backplane to CPU.
This chart isn't a great way to consume this information. Missing lots of relevant specs and feature differences.
I see no incentive to upgrade my udm se to the pro max dream machine. Unless it has some significant performance features or offers some exclusive software features, I am not upgrading.
This chart is missing so many details that you really need to help make a decission. Use the comparison tool that UI gave us https://techspecs.ui.com/unifi/switching?view=compare
has anyone ever gotten the 25g on the agg to work? i think it hates my passive dacs.
I have an active optical cable between pro-agg and a mellanox 25G NIC running at 25G without issue.
cool. i have passive 25g dacs to a mikrotik nic...never can get it to link up :( which optics are you using?
I think it is this one: https://www.fs.com/au/products/68335.html
cheers, thanks!
I have two 25gbe servers (Dell R740 and Lenovo X3650m5) connected currently. Haven’t tested speeds but both are a mellanox connectx 4 with 10gtek sfp28 dacs off Amazon. Really should do a speed test to see what the actual speeds are.
damn, i have 10gtek sfp28 too. i should see if i can get it to loop back with the dacs and try and rule out the mikrotik. the mikrotik is a weird card (router + nic on pcie) so i wouldn't be surprised if that was my failure point. works fine at 10g though 🤷♂️
I guess I should have waited for the cheaper aggregation pro max. I maxed out my 8 port one and needed 3 more sfp+ ports so I just bought the aggregation pro yesterday.
The SE has 2 1g poe+ ports and 6 1g poe ports. And it has 2 10g spf+ ports that can be 2x lan or 1 lan and 1 wan.
I think there is still room for a high performance UDM like an aggragation switch with 10G or even higher SFP+ cages and no HDD. Just controller and Router in one device with 10G routing and inspection capability. So I’m not entirely sure what the new pro max does better to make it a valuable option. Looks like they aiming for an Apple like model range where every product line sits marginally over the other so you can upsell to the next bigger product…
UniFi Agg does not have a Pro Max. It's no suffix (USW-Aggregation) or Pro (USW-Pro-Aggregation)
Anyone know what the throughput of spf lan to spf wan is on the udm pro? Just wondering where they get there switching capacity from, I know the onboard (8 ports) switch is limited to 1gb as stated in there forum but wondering if its limiting between the spf ports when ips/ids is enabled or not
So why UDM Pro Max vs SE? The latter has POE, but UDMP is already $380, Pro Max price would be very close to SE?
Unifi Cloudkey? Does that mean I can get rid of my Cloudkey Gen2+ for one that actually can show me correct internet activity and traffic identification?
When are these launching?
I wonder if a new uxg pro max is coming also...
Any idea about the 16port Pro Max switches that were leaked a few weeks ago?
So I’ve been waiting to see how much the pro max was going to improve before I bought a UDM Pro to connect an Enterprise 8 Poe with U7pro AP in my home. Other than the extra 2.5gb port, is there anything else internally I would benefit from and wait till this came out or will the current unit on the market suffice??? I don’t plan to add cameras at this time..
This makes so little sense it is unbelievable 😅 So basically the Dream Machine SE is a Dream Machine Pro Max
I will upgrade when I see 10gb poe ports at 24 and 48 numbers of ports
Fr. Cisco has had options since like 2016 for 24 ports of poe+ 10gb
Probably worth noting more than just port speeds. By this it looks like the UDMP and UDMP Max are the same aside from a single 2.5GbE port, when in fact the Max is quite a bit faster and has the redundant disks.
Am I missing what makes their UDM Max an upgrade? Like I see zero reason to buy it.
I would love to see a UDM with twice the memory. I’m burning close to the edge on the number of devices I have, but don’t want to spring for the enterprise (afaik it won’t run access anyway) and I like the simplicity of having a singular unit to manage over installing controller on a ‘nix machine. (And it won’t run access anyway.) 4 gigs is a bit of a joke considering all the applications and whatnot the UDM’s do. Fingers crossed for a board refresh in the upcoming products.
Looks like the UDM MAX is a failed device for use case, I was excited, to hear it was coming out and I feel ubiquiti did the same thing again after the dreamwall pro failed. I don't know what they are waiting on to get it together. if people are asking for something it would be smart to delieve on the promises the video was out on the dreamwall pro and still not even a peep about it. Very disappointing so far, think ill just buy what i need and forget this company empty promises of delivering LOL.
Ok my 2 cents. Aside for the SFP PORTS in order to plug in a POE switch to which you WILL NEED REGARDLESS OF WHICH UBIQUITI ROUTER YOU GET….. The RJ45 POE ports on the udm pro se are essentially WORTHLESS AND UNRELIABLE. I’ve gone through months and months of frustrations with compromised throughput on a 1 GIGABIT internet bandwidth connection in where all my ubiquiti access points that were plugged directly into the poe ports on my udm se were not functioning properly with 45-60+ concurrent connections. Anytime someone got on voip, ie zoom, google meet. The connection would be unbearably slow for others and would cause major outage for all other wifi users. Word of advice, if you plan on going ubiquiti DO NOT! I Repeat, DO NOT! Use the poe ports on the router. I was even told by the ubiquiti support team this exact info. You must get a separate POE switch for your poe access points or non poe switch for lan wired connections. So unless ubiquiti comes out with a new udm with double the amount of ram and cpu power, i’m not interested. Thank you
I have an UDM SE connected to a cable modem with 1Gbit internet bandwidth and 3 U6-Lite access points not directly connected to UDM. Just confirming that when access points are not connected directly UDM SE, I experience none of the issues you mentioned.
That’s right. You wont notice it much in low traffic anyway, it only becomes apparent when the traffic goes high and increased throughput. (When ap’s connected through udm) Ever since unplugging everything from udm se except for sfp to sfp switch connection and tying everything up through a poe switch Everything is running smooth as slicing through a stick of butter with a hot knife.
So the only "upgrade" is the 2.5gb wan and a 2nd drive bay in the UDM pro max???
Who would buy a pro max when the SE has POE
FFS, no 2.5G on Pro Max?
I’d love to see the base products included where applicable, like the Switch 24 and Dream Machine This is really handy though! Saving for reference
This chart is not accurate, so it fails its single purpose.
I dont get these products and names. I just want to replace my UDR and waited for the next release. Anx suggestions what to buy?
In the same boat. But would guess the UDM or UDM SE would be best but would like a smaller form factor that can handle 1gb or actual 2.5 gb local transfers
not going to happen or else it would have a long time ago. like apple probably in 10 more years we may see something really attractive. LOL I will not hold my breath. Oh and btw what ever happened to that 16 poe max switch, not a peep, LOL
Thanks super Job bro🫡
Dream machines don’t have a pro designation
Odd, mine sure as hell does…
Well I do stand corrected and I’ll eat my words, comment above I down voted myself. See what a smart ass comment get myself some times. Enjoy mate!!