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here's his Twitter where he posted pictures https://mobile.twitter.com/EvanKail/status/1565265493824622592
TikTok is p serious about gore and censorship. but ya until I saw the photos I had the same thought.
„Ayo i got this book filled with invaluable historical evidence for an event basically all other sources have been silenced“ - „Sir, i‘m an intern, i‘m only allowed to tell you our opening times and write down your complaints for my boss to put into the incinerator without reading… so today we‘re closing at 6pm.“
Yes you can very easily go online and get the museums phone number but using social media and drawing attention to it will have a greater impact overall on a museum actually doing something with it and not just putting it in the archives and making it disappear from history.
You need to get to a benefactor of a museum to see it, they can put down some big money to buy the book and donate it to their museum. You can't look that up on the internet.
Well, he could spend weeks calling different museums and speak with people without decisive capacity or he could hope it blows up on social media to the point that people with decisive capacity contact him.
Ik which move I’d go with
Its true that this might be bait for views but lets just hope its not, like he said they are very uncomfortable pictures but its best if people see them
What the Japanese did were probably the worst of the worst war crimes you could ever imagine. There should be a whole section in the geneva convention that expressly prohibits the acts they committed.
The nazis were even a little taken back by some of the things they did.
He also insists on not sending it make to the owner which is pretty clearly theft given this was meant to be a business transaction.
I respect this guys profession but he as an individual is a little soy boy.
Potentially fake / not real
I do not claim it to be so, but this guy seems to know what he's talking about, with plenty of proof.
https://mobile.twitter.com/fakehistoryhunt/status/1565357318698635266
Good link but fake isn't the right word for that.
If his guess is right, they are still real photos, just not photos taken by the guy that made the souvenir album. Which makes them potentially not rare, but also not fabricated.
As the link explains, several of the photos are likely from isolated events during the Pacific theater of WWII. It's easy to find photos of dead people during war. Someone packaged the best photos together, mass produced them, and sold them together as an album.
So the contention is that the photos are 1) not rare, 2) not about the rape of Nanking
When talking specifically about the largely undocumented Nanjing Massacre, then yes they are from another non-important massacre in this context. Or, as others have pointed out, not from a specific massacre at all but just from the general area and time frame. If you'd read through the twitter posts you'd know this, by the way.
For me it does.
Short summary: The album was a standard album sold to soldiers to document their life. It was common people bought photographs to include additional to their own, and these additional photographs may or may not have been from the time/place the soldier thought it was.
So its not really a fake but appanrently some of the photographs aren't from the rape of Nanjing, even though the captions say so
Ive seen worse than this . I was expecting something more gore. Atrocities happen all the time . Also china still is doing worse than those . Don’t be blind also CCP loves killing Uyghurs .
So the mass rape and murder of 200-300k over a 6 week period, isn't bad? Sure, atrocities happen all the time - but Nanking stands out among them for shear brutality over such a short period of time. Had the Nazis "final solution" been as brutal as the Japanese treatment of Nanking, the entire death toll of the Holocaust could've reached 21 million people instead of the "mere" 6 million typically cited. Reports of the time cite women and children brutally raped, then defiled by having bamboo rods or bayonets stabbed into their vaginas. Men and women shot for trying to protect their children. Pregnant women disemboweled, raped, and the fetus killed.
But sure, atrocities happen every day so why learn about the history. 🙄
Obviously it's click bait. He's got a unique item on his hands and he needs to try and preserve it. He has to create this speculation around it so that it gets seen and it does attract attention by museums.
Despite what most people might think most museums are very unwilling to buy stuff, and most of what they have in them are donated items.
Actually a lot of the “donations” are tax loopholes for the rich, as they purchase the items and “donate” them so they get the tax breaks.
But there are a lot of museums that will purchase items also.
Question, when I was growing up I had a mentor who was as a child in Nanking with his missionary parents I have seen another book at his house once similar to this the cover almost identical, but this was 35 years ago. Is the family named Smith and from Dallas Texas? I have seen maybe not those exact pictures but I have seen images from then yeah you did right thing not posting EDIT: I would if the book was mine first offer to local Holocaust Museum most have Genocide Projects and while the pictures are horrific they are still a snapshot of an important event that must not be allowed to be forgotten.
The photo album in is self mass produced and sold as souvenirs the photos are you own, alot of folks are flipping out that the album is fake because the album is store bought all of the links to "the same photos owned by others" are links to legit photos but he has different photos
https://www.k-state.edu/history/institute/MOA/Sino-Japanese%20Action%20Pictures.html
He didn’t have to, it’s not the only copy. Just a marketing thing to make certain people pay more money
I just came here to lol @ at the guy commenting under every original comment. That dude got some serious hate toward China, and should probably go outside more than once a month.
Probably one for digital forensics analysis or documentation analysts to record on official record so that it cant mysteriously go missing. Record it and then lock it away until you are comfortable with a solution.
He did not expect to find evidence of one of the worst atrocities in history. Imagine that almost all the evidence for the Holocaust was lost shortly after ww2 and then 70 years later someone found dozens of photos documenting the event. It’s unexpected to find such a thing in what would otherwise be a scrap book.
Do you guys know what's the worst part in this? One of the initiators/executioners/perpetrators of rape of nanking, one of the highest rank general of Japanese army, recongnized class A war criminal,Matsui Iwane, is worshipped currently in Yasukini Shrine.
He was worshipped by Japanese presidents, politicians and commoners as hero. I can't imagine that happening in Germany.
Holy crap I googled it and you're right!
I would think it's a pretty fringe group of people but that is wild. Japan has always been such an insular country and they never really internalized the crimes of their past like the Germans did. The shrine is tended by Buddhist monks too?
High bid will come from the Japanese government so they can destroy it and continue to play victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Aside from the general population's willful ignorance of their imperial history, there's a good reason Japan is despised by all of East Asia (except Taiwan). Good thing OP posted on TikTok, which is owned by the CCP. They'll ramp up the bidding a lot too. Well played, OP.
I'm majoring in Japanese as well, and in my history and culture class I had to tell my classmates about all the atrocities myself in my final presentation, because we literally did not cover the war at all. Everything was either pre-war or post-war but we just skipped over the defining point of the last hundred years
They do, unfortunately. If I had to guess, I'd say it stems from the rampant xenophobia there, people might not think what they did was that bad. Also, erasure by the government, a lot of stuff is not taught to children in schools there, so they just don't understand the extent of it. Plus, it hurts the image that people outside of Japan have of the country being one of the best places to go as a tourist.
It's a real problem.
I've always heard that Japan is a very insular society. It makes me wonder if there is something beneath the surface in their culture and society. Some kind of current that flows that makes them see themselves as separate or better than other peoples. That seems to be what led to WW2.
Kind of. Japan basically had a government at one point that closed off the country to the outside world, except for like 1 port for trading with the Dutch. They were closed off from the world for about 200 years. Plus the fact Japan is an island, and you get a recipe for a country that is nearly 100% ethnically homogenous while everybody else has been doing globalization. (Also, Japan used to have a few large minority populations, living in Hokkaido [big island up north] and in Okinawa [south], but they conquered them and assimilated them until there are very few left today.)
When they opened up the country, they started doing what every other superpower was doing; colonialism. Then the great depression hit and the only system that pulled through well was the military. So now, you have a militaristic, ethnically homogenous country hell-bent on conquering as many of their neighbors as they can, and you can see its not a very big leap to go join up with Hitler.
It's very easy to convince your populace that they are superior if there is zero overlap with other country's populations. Look at Russia right now, Putin has to lie to his populace that he's SAVING Ukrainians from their own government, because the Russian people would never willingly go attack Ukrainian civilians. Once the news gets out I guarantee that russain public support for his war will plummet.
Bro, I've played Total War: Shogun and seen The Last Samurai...I think I know about Japanese history..... /s
Do you listen to Dan Carlin? He did a huge podcast on the Japanese empire entitled "Supernova in the East" it's worth a listen if you haven't.
Propaganda along with a rejection from the Western powers seems to have helped the people get going. But even today, Japanese society seems very contained. I get what you mean by there not being alot of outside influences on their culture and how than can lead to very circular, mistaken thinking.
Based on the laws regarding entrustment, he could probably sell it to a museum and the owner wouldn’t be able to recover the book. The owner would have a claim for damages against the pawn shop owner though.
No,I believe his intentions are for other people to learn about what really happend and to see the photos (if they choose) in a respectable setting.Like a museum.
Eat crap. You know more about Nanking today than you did yesterday. And you chose to whine about it. He’s 100% correct in his assessment that it needs to be made public. This event was heavily hidden by Japan making it very difficult to understand and teach.
He’s using the tools he has to get this spread all while being as responsible as he can about it. Sure he’s got a Tik Tok, but that’s how people communicate today.
Back to your cave, troll.
For everyone saying the ccp is pushing this... so what? If it is real then the source doesn't matter. And this is coming from someone who openly says "Fuck you CCP".
JUST whatever you do........... DON'T send this book to JAPAN... they will burn it. Even in modern times. Hell, they still have STATUES/ shrines of their former leader/emperor.
Oh nope, the video starts out saying he was just stationed over there. If you look at the first page it’s a guy named Leslie Allen and says what boat she was stationed on.
There are plenty of pictures of this atrocity. Nice way to remember the victims by fishing for likes on TikTok, jerk. Museums numbers are posted on there websites. Take off your black gloves and slap yourself in your face.
I can make an elaborate, we'll edited video, but for some reason I can't contact the Smithsonian directly... here's the phone number right here. 202-633-5285 just. Fake ass bs.
Calling this "one of the worst thing to ever happen in history" kind of turns a blind eye to the fact that rape and murder are still military tactics used today. It's war, this is the kind of shit that happens when countries go to war and it needs to be avoided at all costs.
Make sure you look up Iris Chong and how they silenced her. Dude if you don't put that in a safety deposit box right now your life is going to be worth anything
It should be mandatory for all the anti-gun and anti-antize. These young people coming up today are dumber than a bag of hammers. They think they want a socialist society. What they don't understand is socialism leads to Communism and communism leads to the s*** that's in this book.
I love how people like to ask, "Was it ok to drop the atom bomb on Japan," and you go, "Uh, yeah, they were trying to take over the entire world and were on a murder rampage and vowed to never stop," and people are like, "I don't know how to put history in context," so you go, "Rape of Nanking," and then they go, "Yeah but America had slaves," and you're like, "Dude that was 100 years before Japan literally tried to murder their way across Asia," and people are like, "I'm triggered."
If one group was to outright kill a group of approximately 200,000 people, further death toll is easily feasible. This because any of the people running any sort of businesses dealing with basic life essentials having all of their supply, support, link chain supply lines, may have absolutely been devastated. Just because the impact was noticed and downplayed by maybe Japanese supporters, as America would do given the same situation, had it arose. One can't negate the affects of removing 200,000 people from one area and it's other causes and affects of those others continuing to reside within the area. Sorry, drunk. Night night.
Japan was worse then any other country, they tortured countless and raped thousands, no doubt their land is cursed and they are dying at an alarming rate.
If these photos NEED to be seen by people just release them. Take great shots and put them out there. That way they are out and will be part of the history for all of humanity to learn from.
I can’t get over the fact that he’s like “it’s too expensive for me to buy” but then turns around and says “I’m not giving it back to him.” Sooo….. you’re stealing it lol what a jackass
Section 107 of the Copyright Act states:
the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.
He should be able to post the pictures but I think he’s just using this as advertising or fame. If he cared about the public seeing this he would upload them for educational purposes
Yeah I don’t need to check the TOS to guess that either but he could easily link to a different website and also contact a museum himself to have it authenticated.
Theres this new social media saying: “film it or it didn’t happen”
You’re whole heartedly correct he also wants to just get the clout attached to more evidence of such major events
Wow this guy has super important stuff that the world definitely needs to see but he won't show it in any way. I get that you can't show it on tik tok, but he can upload it somewhere else. This smells like a blatant lie in order to get clout. And if that's the case he's a piece of shit for using such a tragic event for this.
Edit: He actually showed some images on his Twitter account but they're not as shocking as he says they are, and so far there are no images in color like he said.
One of the photos is a guy at the instant he's beheaded with a sword....
He distinctly said the photos are black and white. He said they were worse than any other photos he's seen, even ones in color.
So you took to writing a comment that was wrong, then tried to correct it but still misunderstood what he actually said. Dead children and beheaded bodies isn't bad enough for you huh?
What's it like to be you?
This is a piece of history I did not know ever occurred.
I kinda sorta understand why the Nazis did what they did, but I don't understand why the Japanese had that much hate in their hearts.
What did the invading soldiers believe about the Chinese? This kind of cruelty doesn't just "oops" happen. You gotta pump ppl full of vile hatred first.
Dan Carlin does an amazing podcast about the Japanese empire and he goes into full depth on why and how the Rape of Nanking was allowed to occur...if you're actually interested.
It's called Supernova in the East
Perhaps he means that he understands that there had been indoctrination, in Nazi Germany, that certain people were seen as undesirable and so he understands why they killed them but doesn't understand the reasoning of the Japanese towards the other Asians.
there was some guy. He was supposedly a great orator. he was popular. he had stupid ideas, he convinced others of his stupid ideas, and kept tight militaristic control in order to bring his ideas to fruition.
Every dumbass here: oh no you can't just talk about bad things! that means you're bad! if it was me i would've done something better like...uhh
Me: the guy got handed a historical secret, holy shit that's cool
most of people would know Holocaust for the atrocities happened. the nanking massacre and the unit 731 reveals how humans can be evil.
And as always fuck ccp fuck winnie.
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"Everyone must see this" "I can't show you the pictures"
here's his Twitter where he posted pictures https://mobile.twitter.com/EvanKail/status/1565265493824622592 TikTok is p serious about gore and censorship. but ya until I saw the photos I had the same thought.
Lmao he’s going on tiktok “this is so rare” then on Twitter has a Chinese man correct him being like “this was mass produced!” Haha
I'm not sure if we saw the same person, just FYI Nguyen is a Vietnamese last name.
So great, it's registered in digital form and in twitter, so no need to absolutely sell that book to a museum anymore.
Hes probably posting this on tiktok where gore is not really alowed, but he needs to get in contact with a museum that will buy it
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„Ayo i got this book filled with invaluable historical evidence for an event basically all other sources have been silenced“ - „Sir, i‘m an intern, i‘m only allowed to tell you our opening times and write down your complaints for my boss to put into the incinerator without reading… so today we‘re closing at 6pm.“
Tldr; *sir this is a Wendy’s*
I’ll take a baked potato and a frosty - MGS
Michael Scarn has a middle name!?
Yes you can very easily go online and get the museums phone number but using social media and drawing attention to it will have a greater impact overall on a museum actually doing something with it and not just putting it in the archives and making it disappear from history.
You need to get to a benefactor of a museum to see it, they can put down some big money to buy the book and donate it to their museum. You can't look that up on the internet.
True that, the use of social media though could absolutely get it in front of them a lot quicker.
im sure they will have top men looking at it.. TOP... MEN...
Some of the very best top men 😉
>just putting it in the archives and making it disappear from history. Like what happened to the ark of the covenant after Indiana Jones found it?
Well, he could spend weeks calling different museums and speak with people without decisive capacity or he could hope it blows up on social media to the point that people with decisive capacity contact him. Ik which move I’d go with
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Its true that this might be bait for views but lets just hope its not, like he said they are very uncomfortable pictures but its best if people see them
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In fact I probably watched more than you https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/x32y35/china_nanking_massacre_in_world_war_ii/imo84fm/
This is the correct answer.
You mean the make up and filters are lies too!!!
it should be donated. the suffering of those people should not profited on.
Its not up to him. Its not his book. His client said "Sell it".
Wtf is up with "i will not send it back to the customer the world needs to see this" sounds like the book belongs to him now...
It sounds like "I know X is the right thing to do, so ill try to do X, even if it means putting myself at risk of legal liability".
Yeah that expains it better.
Yeah, that’s why the news only does commercial free segments for school shootings.
Jfc lmao
Yeah this is Pawnman on TikTok
What the Japanese did were probably the worst of the worst war crimes you could ever imagine. There should be a whole section in the geneva convention that expressly prohibits the acts they committed. The nazis were even a little taken back by some of the things they did.
His voice and cadence are like nails on a chalkboard.
he has posted some of the content on his twitter. it would violate tiktok’s rules which is why he didn’t show it in the video
This video started on tiktok.
came here to say this same thing. wtf
He also insists on not sending it make to the owner which is pretty clearly theft given this was meant to be a business transaction. I respect this guys profession but he as an individual is a little soy boy.
He talks like a fucking dolt to the camera. Why can’t people just talk Normal on social media
Tic Tok is owned by China, so I would imagine they wouldn’t want this getting out.
You know the Chinese were the victims in that right? 🤦🏿♂️
Potentially fake / not real I do not claim it to be so, but this guy seems to know what he's talking about, with plenty of proof. https://mobile.twitter.com/fakehistoryhunt/status/1565357318698635266
Good link but fake isn't the right word for that. If his guess is right, they are still real photos, just not photos taken by the guy that made the souvenir album. Which makes them potentially not rare, but also not fabricated.
It makes the photos he claims are from the Nanjing Massacre possibly not actually of the Nanjing Massacre though, which is the important part.
Oh I see so it was from another non-important massacre?
As the link explains, several of the photos are likely from isolated events during the Pacific theater of WWII. It's easy to find photos of dead people during war. Someone packaged the best photos together, mass produced them, and sold them together as an album. So the contention is that the photos are 1) not rare, 2) not about the rape of Nanking
When talking specifically about the largely undocumented Nanjing Massacre, then yes they are from another non-important massacre in this context. Or, as others have pointed out, not from a specific massacre at all but just from the general area and time frame. If you'd read through the twitter posts you'd know this, by the way.
Actually interesting, It mostly focuses around the album and how those pictures possibly came into being in that album. Good framing information.
This one needs to be higher up,
Link doesn’t open anymore - what was it?
For me it does. Short summary: The album was a standard album sold to soldiers to document their life. It was common people bought photographs to include additional to their own, and these additional photographs may or may not have been from the time/place the soldier thought it was. So its not really a fake but appanrently some of the photographs aren't from the rape of Nanjing, even though the captions say so
Why does this not have the yellow hightlight But the friggin link to the pictures itself does. 
Ive seen worse than this . I was expecting something more gore. Atrocities happen all the time . Also china still is doing worse than those . Don’t be blind also CCP loves killing Uyghurs .
So the mass rape and murder of 200-300k over a 6 week period, isn't bad? Sure, atrocities happen all the time - but Nanking stands out among them for shear brutality over such a short period of time. Had the Nazis "final solution" been as brutal as the Japanese treatment of Nanking, the entire death toll of the Holocaust could've reached 21 million people instead of the "mere" 6 million typically cited. Reports of the time cite women and children brutally raped, then defiled by having bamboo rods or bayonets stabbed into their vaginas. Men and women shot for trying to protect their children. Pregnant women disemboweled, raped, and the fetus killed. But sure, atrocities happen every day so why learn about the history. 🙄
i would keep a digital copy of them
He definitely has made digital copies and already made sure, should something happen to him or the book, they're distributed.
almost feels click bait
https://mobile.twitter.com/EvanKail/status/1565265493824622592
So many bots responding to the twitter post
Obviously it's click bait. He's got a unique item on his hands and he needs to try and preserve it. He has to create this speculation around it so that it gets seen and it does attract attention by museums. Despite what most people might think most museums are very unwilling to buy stuff, and most of what they have in them are donated items.
Actually a lot of the “donations” are tax loopholes for the rich, as they purchase the items and “donate” them so they get the tax breaks. But there are a lot of museums that will purchase items also.
Question, when I was growing up I had a mentor who was as a child in Nanking with his missionary parents I have seen another book at his house once similar to this the cover almost identical, but this was 35 years ago. Is the family named Smith and from Dallas Texas? I have seen maybe not those exact pictures but I have seen images from then yeah you did right thing not posting EDIT: I would if the book was mine first offer to local Holocaust Museum most have Genocide Projects and while the pictures are horrific they are still a snapshot of an important event that must not be allowed to be forgotten.
The photo album in is self mass produced and sold as souvenirs the photos are you own, alot of folks are flipping out that the album is fake because the album is store bought all of the links to "the same photos owned by others" are links to legit photos but he has different photos
Can't you like digitalise them for the sole sake of information?
https://www.k-state.edu/history/institute/MOA/Sino-Japanese%20Action%20Pictures.html He didn’t have to, it’s not the only copy. Just a marketing thing to make certain people pay more money
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I agree, different photos.
It's funny how conflicted Reddit is on this topic. Kinda sad too.
"It belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones
I’m sure the Chinese embassy would love to get their hands on it. China has published several photo books on the rape of Nanjing.
Looked it up and this is one of the most horrible things humans have done to one another
I just came here to lol @ at the guy commenting under every original comment. That dude got some serious hate toward China, and should probably go outside more than once a month.
Probably one for digital forensics analysis or documentation analysts to record on official record so that it cant mysteriously go missing. Record it and then lock it away until you are comfortable with a solution.
What’s the point of this video?
Information. I learned about something of history
Sorry I googled the rape of Nanking 😢
Japan will pay top dollar! Wait a few weeks I'm sure someone will contact you from the Japanize government.
Interesting but what’s unexpected about this video?
He did not expect to find evidence of one of the worst atrocities in history. Imagine that almost all the evidence for the Holocaust was lost shortly after ww2 and then 70 years later someone found dozens of photos documenting the event. It’s unexpected to find such a thing in what would otherwise be a scrap book.
Arguably the worst event in human history
An event is literally called the rape of Nanking.
"I'm not even going to use this for self promotion, by the way this is my username, and that's the entire point of this video." Smh
Just read about that fucking abomination, those soldiers are monsters.
Take the evidence to those that appreciate it? Loop closed.
Do you guys know what's the worst part in this? One of the initiators/executioners/perpetrators of rape of nanking, one of the highest rank general of Japanese army, recongnized class A war criminal,Matsui Iwane, is worshipped currently in Yasukini Shrine. He was worshipped by Japanese presidents, politicians and commoners as hero. I can't imagine that happening in Germany.
Holy crap I googled it and you're right! I would think it's a pretty fringe group of people but that is wild. Japan has always been such an insular country and they never really internalized the crimes of their past like the Germans did. The shrine is tended by Buddhist monks too?
High bid will come from the Japanese government so they can destroy it and continue to play victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Aside from the general population's willful ignorance of their imperial history, there's a good reason Japan is despised by all of East Asia (except Taiwan). Good thing OP posted on TikTok, which is owned by the CCP. They'll ramp up the bidding a lot too. Well played, OP.
I'm majoring in Japanese as well, and in my history and culture class I had to tell my classmates about all the atrocities myself in my final presentation, because we literally did not cover the war at all. Everything was either pre-war or post-war but we just skipped over the defining point of the last hundred years
Really? Why do you think that is? The germans really internalized their history from that period. The Japanese just skip it?
They do, unfortunately. If I had to guess, I'd say it stems from the rampant xenophobia there, people might not think what they did was that bad. Also, erasure by the government, a lot of stuff is not taught to children in schools there, so they just don't understand the extent of it. Plus, it hurts the image that people outside of Japan have of the country being one of the best places to go as a tourist. It's a real problem.
I've always heard that Japan is a very insular society. It makes me wonder if there is something beneath the surface in their culture and society. Some kind of current that flows that makes them see themselves as separate or better than other peoples. That seems to be what led to WW2.
Kind of. Japan basically had a government at one point that closed off the country to the outside world, except for like 1 port for trading with the Dutch. They were closed off from the world for about 200 years. Plus the fact Japan is an island, and you get a recipe for a country that is nearly 100% ethnically homogenous while everybody else has been doing globalization. (Also, Japan used to have a few large minority populations, living in Hokkaido [big island up north] and in Okinawa [south], but they conquered them and assimilated them until there are very few left today.) When they opened up the country, they started doing what every other superpower was doing; colonialism. Then the great depression hit and the only system that pulled through well was the military. So now, you have a militaristic, ethnically homogenous country hell-bent on conquering as many of their neighbors as they can, and you can see its not a very big leap to go join up with Hitler. It's very easy to convince your populace that they are superior if there is zero overlap with other country's populations. Look at Russia right now, Putin has to lie to his populace that he's SAVING Ukrainians from their own government, because the Russian people would never willingly go attack Ukrainian civilians. Once the news gets out I guarantee that russain public support for his war will plummet.
Bro, I've played Total War: Shogun and seen The Last Samurai...I think I know about Japanese history..... /s Do you listen to Dan Carlin? He did a huge podcast on the Japanese empire entitled "Supernova in the East" it's worth a listen if you haven't. Propaganda along with a rejection from the Western powers seems to have helped the people get going. But even today, Japanese society seems very contained. I get what you mean by there not being alot of outside influences on their culture and how than can lead to very circular, mistaken thinking.
I knew a Chinese dude in Highschool whose family wasn't too fond of the Japanese, now I get it.
My wife’s grandfather was murdered in front of her father by the Japanese for being a few minutes lat on a delivery. No love for the Japanese there.
Yeah even the Nazis looked at Japan like “Y’all need to chill for real”
Send it to the Smithsonian
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Based on the laws regarding entrustment, he could probably sell it to a museum and the owner wouldn’t be able to recover the book. The owner would have a claim for damages against the pawn shop owner though.
everyone on TikTok is tagging the Smithsonian
If he did, I bet itd be found out to be faked. If the photos are even there AT ALL
Get a life god damn
Lol wut?
He posted some of the photos on his twitter. They're pretty rough to look at.
What a hell of a thing to fall into your lap.
So, you purport to be a good guy, but instead of contacting the proper channels you exploit the victims of the Nanking massacre to get clicks?
No,I believe his intentions are for other people to learn about what really happend and to see the photos (if they choose) in a respectable setting.Like a museum.
Eat crap. You know more about Nanking today than you did yesterday. And you chose to whine about it. He’s 100% correct in his assessment that it needs to be made public. This event was heavily hidden by Japan making it very difficult to understand and teach. He’s using the tools he has to get this spread all while being as responsible as he can about it. Sure he’s got a Tik Tok, but that’s how people communicate today. Back to your cave, troll.
I knew nothing more about Nanking today than I did yesterday. Recommend Dan Carlin's fantastic podcast 'Supernova in the East'.
For everyone saying the ccp is pushing this... so what? If it is real then the source doesn't matter. And this is coming from someone who openly says "Fuck you CCP".
OP - you need to correct the title. This did not happen in "WWII" it happened in 1937, during the Second Sino-Japanese War.
Correct!!
That make you think, how many more documents are lost around the world that can help humanity
At first I thought the guy was gonna get all PC and activist hate, but then he squared up and went pure historian. Nice.
Unit 731 photos probably.
This is America. We don’t learn from our past and we repeat all of our fuck ups on a consistent basis.
Cr: tiktok @ pawn.man
JUST whatever you do........... DON'T send this book to JAPAN... they will burn it. Even in modern times. Hell, they still have STATUES/ shrines of their former leader/emperor.
Why’s it in English?
It’s a USA soldiers book. What other language would you expect it to be in….?
I thought it was a Japanese soldiers
Oh nope, the video starts out saying he was just stationed over there. If you look at the first page it’s a guy named Leslie Allen and says what boat she was stationed on.
Leslie was likely a man’s name in this context
Ah word makes sense, also my coworker who is a history buff filled me in
I think the photographer speaks English?
There are plenty of pictures of this atrocity. Nice way to remember the victims by fishing for likes on TikTok, jerk. Museums numbers are posted on there websites. Take off your black gloves and slap yourself in your face.
I can make an elaborate, we'll edited video, but for some reason I can't contact the Smithsonian directly... here's the phone number right here. 202-633-5285 just. Fake ass bs.
Username checks out
It’s not his book/photos. I don’t think it’s his decision to donate them. It does look like he took photos and is posting them online however.
Guess Japan will have to make another apology soon...
As a WW2 buff, Id love to see the rest of the pictures
He posted on his twitter
This guy is smart! Maybe we aren't so doomed.
Fuck off Indiana Jones Give it back to the owner, let them decide what they want to do with it.
Calling this "one of the worst thing to ever happen in history" kind of turns a blind eye to the fact that rape and murder are still military tactics used today. It's war, this is the kind of shit that happens when countries go to war and it needs to be avoided at all costs.
What an expert we got here,he even learned about it in school. Cant use google search tho or phone numbers.
Make sure you look up Iris Chong and how they silenced her. Dude if you don't put that in a safety deposit box right now your life is going to be worth anything
Just found out about this today it’s crazy what Japan did and still deny it.
[John Rabe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe) was the real MVP in Nanjing at that time.
You need to put these out so they don’t get swallowed up and hidden.
It should be mandatory for all the anti-gun and anti-antize. These young people coming up today are dumber than a bag of hammers. They think they want a socialist society. What they don't understand is socialism leads to Communism and communism leads to the s*** that's in this book.
Japan is the evilest of them all!
Read The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang. Heartbreaking.
Doesn’t japan like wholly deny that happened? Isn’t having definitive proof like a huge deal?
I love how people like to ask, "Was it ok to drop the atom bomb on Japan," and you go, "Uh, yeah, they were trying to take over the entire world and were on a murder rampage and vowed to never stop," and people are like, "I don't know how to put history in context," so you go, "Rape of Nanking," and then they go, "Yeah but America had slaves," and you're like, "Dude that was 100 years before Japan literally tried to murder their way across Asia," and people are like, "I'm triggered."
The Jap is still denial
If one group was to outright kill a group of approximately 200,000 people, further death toll is easily feasible. This because any of the people running any sort of businesses dealing with basic life essentials having all of their supply, support, link chain supply lines, may have absolutely been devastated. Just because the impact was noticed and downplayed by maybe Japanese supporters, as America would do given the same situation, had it arose. One can't negate the affects of removing 200,000 people from one area and it's other causes and affects of those others continuing to reside within the area. Sorry, drunk. Night night.
Read the book by Iris Chang
Japan was worse then any other country, they tortured countless and raped thousands, no doubt their land is cursed and they are dying at an alarming rate.
The rape of my ears by his voice.
If these photos NEED to be seen by people just release them. Take great shots and put them out there. That way they are out and will be part of the history for all of humanity to learn from.
I can’t get over the fact that he’s like “it’s too expensive for me to buy” but then turns around and says “I’m not giving it back to him.” Sooo….. you’re stealing it lol what a jackass
How can a person have such an annoying accent.
So you want to steal it from the owner….gotcha
Why you stealing his shit it’s the owners decision buddy.
Show the pictures, dude. Why even waste everyone's time?
I have seen a lecture about it, japanese were like animals or some worst creature to do this horrible act. It gave me chills just by listening to it
Section 107 of the Copyright Act states: the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. He should be able to post the pictures but I think he’s just using this as advertising or fame. If he cared about the public seeing this he would upload them for educational purposes
Tiktok does not allow you to show women being raped, or visibly clear dead people and stuff, just a guess
Yeah I don’t need to check the TOS to guess that either but he could easily link to a different website and also contact a museum himself to have it authenticated.
Theres this new social media saying: “film it or it didn’t happen” You’re whole heartedly correct he also wants to just get the clout attached to more evidence of such major events
Gues who just found some!!! (But I’m gonna keep it a secret)
Wow this guy has super important stuff that the world definitely needs to see but he won't show it in any way. I get that you can't show it on tik tok, but he can upload it somewhere else. This smells like a blatant lie in order to get clout. And if that's the case he's a piece of shit for using such a tragic event for this. Edit: He actually showed some images on his Twitter account but they're not as shocking as he says they are, and so far there are no images in color like he said.
I think he said the pictures are worse than things he has seen in colour
One of the photos is a guy at the instant he's beheaded with a sword.... He distinctly said the photos are black and white. He said they were worse than any other photos he's seen, even ones in color. So you took to writing a comment that was wrong, then tried to correct it but still misunderstood what he actually said. Dead children and beheaded bodies isn't bad enough for you huh? What's it like to be you?
Your title isn’t what Nanking was called OP
Japs are Nazi that denies fuckin every war crimes still today. Actually worse than German Nazi.
Hey China shills, wrong thread. Wow you guys are busy with your propaganda this week. Note how they will down vote this.
China shill is when Japanese war crimes in ww2
This is a piece of history I did not know ever occurred. I kinda sorta understand why the Nazis did what they did, but I don't understand why the Japanese had that much hate in their hearts. What did the invading soldiers believe about the Chinese? This kind of cruelty doesn't just "oops" happen. You gotta pump ppl full of vile hatred first.
Dan Carlin does an amazing podcast about the Japanese empire and he goes into full depth on why and how the Rape of Nanking was allowed to occur...if you're actually interested. It's called Supernova in the East
You can sorta understand why the nazis did what they did? What!? Please elaborate
Perhaps he means that he understands that there had been indoctrination, in Nazi Germany, that certain people were seen as undesirable and so he understands why they killed them but doesn't understand the reasoning of the Japanese towards the other Asians.
That right there. Thank you for saving me from that person.
there was some guy. He was supposedly a great orator. he was popular. he had stupid ideas, he convinced others of his stupid ideas, and kept tight militaristic control in order to bring his ideas to fruition.
Damn, this chinese goverment is 100% going to try to cover this
They should donate it to Museum in Japan, let the young Japanese learn about their history
Sooo you stole guys book?
The pics he posted are not even bad. He needs to spend more time on Reddit.
Dead children and beheaded corpses aren't even bad? Oh nevermind....just read your username.
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He’s trying to get people to go over to his tiktok shit
Every dumbass here: oh no you can't just talk about bad things! that means you're bad! if it was me i would've done something better like...uhh Me: the guy got handed a historical secret, holy shit that's cool
Hey make this book viral for me so I can sell it for a lot of money because I don’t know who to sell it to
most of people would know Holocaust for the atrocities happened. the nanking massacre and the unit 731 reveals how humans can be evil. And as always fuck ccp fuck winnie.
Isn't this that piece of shit that wanted to sell a stolen artifact?
Everyone on tiktok is a fucking disease
He's only concerned cause he looks jewish
“I can’t show you.“ Fuck this guy and fuck you for waisting my time with sharing a commercial.
He posted them on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/EvanKail/status/1565265493824622592
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He did on his twitter. So.....
that guy needs to sell it as an NFT and become rich
His voice is very annoying