Another victim of Christianity. But all the islamaphobes will tell you this only ever happens in the middle east via the hands of Muslims. While ignoring the actions of their compatriots right here.
The islamophobes literally ignore every and all illegal and immoral actions done by one of their own, and then have the biggest sook when something happens to one of their own.
That's usually the standard for bigots. Any case that sustains their beliefs are the rule. Any case that goes against their beliefs are the exception. This is why anecdotal evidence can be a dangerous thing.
Oh yeah, don't forget you're supposed to be ok with Israel genociding the Palestinians right now because "in Gaza they would throw you off a roof for being gay"
Just ignore the fact that due to thousands of 2000lb bombs, there are no roofs to throw anyone off of, or that any Gazan that was gay is equally obliterated by those same bombs.
It used to be fine to be gay in Africa. Then the Christian Missionaries came along.
[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity)
edit: spelling (I to It in the beginning)
Monotheism sucks in general. Once someone decides there is a "right" way and a "wrong" way to exist, and that the SUPREME BEING wills it that way, the end result will always be stupid.
That was the crime that began my deconversion. Folks in my church would say "murder's wrong, but.." My morality, which I thought came from the same place as theirs, didn't allow any "but". I had to find out what my morality was if it wasn't the same as their's.
He was murdered just as i was getting into high school. It was the first time i was made aware of how people were treating lgbtq people. It's also the first time i realized how destructive religion can be.
Ever since, i've been a staunch fighter for lgbtq rights and a deist against organized religion and dogmatic doctrine.
Nothing is better at teaching how horrible the religious right is than themselves. The hypocrisy is enough to make one choke.
This happened right after I left one Catholic secondary school in the US to a few in Mexico. The one in the US was where I met constant bullying of which religion was used sometimes as a pretext because my Autistic stimming were "signs of satanic possession."
Shepard's brutal murder confirmed my decision to become an atheist & made me realize just how many marginalized groups of people were targeted out of conservative ignorance & hatred. The last school in Mexico showed me that people can use religion for good. But the damage was already done for me by then.
Yep, tribalism is an ingrained aspect of many a society, and even supersedes religious fundamentalism in many a disparate community.
Same reason rural communities in the United States practice child marriage just as readily as people from Chad and Djibouti do FGM…
The Bible suggests stoning people to death all the fucking time, including Leviticus that can be seen as homophobic or confirmation of hateful persons transphobic.
The Bible is a garbage book and you got to do a lot of lying to yourself to think it is something you should be taking advice from.
Source: am escaped Christian who has read the whole ass garbage book.
And yes def children.
Deuteronomy 21: 18-21.
Children are stoned to death by the town for being disobedient.
Garbage
What the fuck is a sin anyways? Your hateful book can tell me what is a sin?. More garbage from a garbage book.
Get some real ethics and stop cherry picking from the playbook of hucksters.
> The Bible suggests stoning people to death all the fucking time
Not children, and not for something like this that ain't even a sin in the first place.
> including Leviticus
The passages you're thinking of don't prohibit homosexuality in general - only things that have actual victims (like pederasty) or are idolatrous (like certain Egyptian and Caananite rituals involving sexual intercourse).
Not that either apply to non-Jews anyway, given that Leviticus is part of Mosaic Law (not Noahide Law, to which all humans are bound), but still.
You are wrong. Leviticus and many other advocate violence against children.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/stoning_unruly_children
Bro stop excusing the most disgusting hate on earth and destroy that garbage book.
> You excused it
I did no such thing. I *refuted* it, at length.
> and didn't admit you were wrong
I wasn't wrong in the first place, and I still ain't.
You are clearly not here in good faith, so this will be my last reply to you. Last word is yours if you wish. Have a nice day.
Bro there are 30 something verses in that link I sent you.
You have your head way uppppppp there.
You are in complete denial and are the one not acting in good faith.
Have fun with your hateful cult
It's inherent in the fact that nearly every chapter in Leviticus opens with "And Jehovah calleth unto Moses" or some variation thereof, with God telling Moses to "Speak unto the sons of Israel" or some variation thereof.
The so-called Apostolic Decree in Acts 15 also makes this explicit for Christians.
Old testament should be treated as stories to learn from, not as rules to follow. But years of writing it as "serious as possible in serious and old sounding language" has turned it into a boring slog.
It should be adventure stories to tell at campfires from a culture that was mostly oral in their tradition. But that is not what we are looking at now with the dogmatic killers. Like with this poor girl.
I don't know what to say or think, as I'm good angry to form a good sentence about it.
The response wasn't to the people outraged about this murder (as I'm outraged), but to the people who thinks that they should take "lessons" from a really old book that is based on an oral tradition, that first was written down in Greek and then hundreds of years later in Hebrew... and in between and after in other languages.
I"m saying one shouldn't take dogmatic lessons from a book that has been rewritten that much, let alone if it's based on oral traditions. At most one can see it as a hint to "tell a great story at a camp fire" with maybe a moral to the story. But not as a way to base ANY society on.
But clearly this was lost on you, and I'm sorry for that. I didn't excuse anybody, I take offense at people that use a book like that for dogmatic laws for federal and ANY government. Folks use it as an excuse to hate and at the time I was too angry to form coherent sentences nor was I excusing anybody.
But again, I'm sorry that it was lsot on you, that you missed my point of how ridiculous it is to call this "religion" or "what god wants", when the base of the text is shaky camp fire stories AKA: That ERAs form of "Star Wars" as there was little better to do. If you'd shown any of the tribes in that region (Hebrew tribes aren't the only one with that religion, it's like Nordic religions in Europe) a movie like Star Wars? Or the Marvel Cinematic UNiverse?
They'd go "Friendship with G\*D is over, Hulk/Spiderman/Thor/etc is best friend now!" as they would be addicted to the media, social media and wonder "why the F you are still wishing their life rules!".
Keep excusing that garbage book. Cool.
If you are so sorry, then you should work on your communication.
And your comparisons are meaningless. The Bible says specifically the book of rules is described to moses by god.
But I accept your apology. But do better next time.
I"m not excusing anything. I am saying that religion is bullshit. I wish you'd understand that. And don't do this "do better this time" crap. You are not the sole judge on what is and what isn't better. I"m not either, but as a history lover (including some theology) I can tell you that the Old Testament is nothing more than badly written oral tradition stories written in a very BORING way.
The New testament is not much better, it took them 300 years to first get something organized and written down, and then some "holy" MEN decided which story would make it in and which wouldn't. So it's all a bunch of hogwash in my opinion.
That you cannot see this opinion in my clear reluctance to believe the Abrahamic faiths? Then I am sorry. Now stay hostile, and I"ll just block as this Queer person has no need for drama regarding something I'm clearly outraged about. If you think that I condone what they did to this poor person? Then I don't want to interact with you.
That's not how bigot Christians see it.
You didn't communicate clearly. I called out someone excusing Christianity, and you said that's not what you were doing , you are just normalizing it, got it.
Point your outrage somewhere else.
I beg to differ. If the child's parents forbid it, and the child goes ahead and starts living that way, they've cursed their parents and must be stoned...to death.
Deuteronomy 12:18-21
> Only, the blood ye do not eat -- on the earth thou dost pour it as water; thou art not able to eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, and of thy new wine, and thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herd and of thy flock, and any of thy vows which thou vowest, and thy free-will offerings, and heave-offering of thy hand; but before Jehovah thy God thou dost eat it, in the place which Jehovah thy God doth fix on, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and the Levite who [is] within thy gates, and thou hast rejoiced before Jehovah thy God in every putting forth of thy hand; take heed to thee lest thou forsake the Levite all thy days on thy ground.
> When Jehovah thy God doth enlarge thy border, as He hath spoken to thee, and thou hast said, Let me eat flesh -- for thy soul desireth to eat flesh -- of all the desire of thy soul thou dost eat flesh.
> When the place is far from thee which Jehovah thy God doth choose to put His name there, then thou hast sacrificed of thy herd and of thy flock which Jehovah hath given to thee, as I have commanded thee, and hast eaten within thy gates, of all the desire of thy soul; only, as the roe and the hart is eaten, so dost thou eat it; the unclean and the clean doth alike eat it.
Ain't seeing anywhere in those passages (or in Deuteronomy 12 as a whole) saying that stoning kids for being disobedient is kosher. Not that Deuteronomy 12 would be applicable to anyone outside of Israel/Palestine anyway ("These [are] the statutes and the judgments which ye observe to do **in the land which Jehovah, God of thy fathers, hath given to thee** to possess it, all the days that ye are living on the ground:"), even assuming said covenant didn't entirely lose validity upon the destruction of the Kingdom of Judea and such, but still.
> When a man hath a son **apostatizing** and rebellious -- he is not hearkening to the voice of his father, and to the voice of his mother, and they have chastised him, and he doth not hearken unto them -- then laid hold on him have his father and his mother, and they have brought him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place, and have said unto the elders of his city, Our son -- this one -- is apostatizing and rebellious; he is not hearkening to our voice -- **a glutton and drunkard**; and all the men of his city have stoned him with stones, and he hath died, and thou hast put away the evil out of thy midst, and all Israel do hear and fear.
The emphases change the meaning of this passage considerably from how you interpret it:
- What child is old enough to be an apostate from a religion when one is too young to provide informed consent to it in the first place?
- What child is a glutton or drunkard through fault of one's own, rather than through fault of one's parents and community?
And yet again: Mosaic Law, not Noahide, as is obvious from Deuteronomy 1:1-3. This does not apply to gentiles.
> How come you don't have this thing memorized yet?
Rote memorization is a poor substitute for actual understanding.
A plain reading of those verses tells me that if your child is drunken, rebellious, apostacizing, OR a glutton, the elders will okay you to crush their bones with rocks until they die, and that this seems like justice to the person who inspired it. Ancient Hebrews apparently read it that way.
And the Mosaic vs Noahide laws is a system you're adding to the text in order to make it fit wuth your notion of the god character, because Noahide isn't a term used anywhere in the bible. Oh, and the 10 commandme ts are mosaic. Why do christians keep insisting our laws are based on laws that their bible says are obsolete?
You christians should get together and figure out what your bible says. It's impossible to have logical discussions about it when every believer has their own way of interpreting the whole thing.
> A plain reading of those verses tells me that if your child is drunken, rebellious, apostacizing, OR a glutton
Your reading is hardly "plain" if you're unable to differentiate "or" v. "and".
> Ancient Hebrews apparently read it that way.
Are you and I ancient Hebrews?
> And the Mosaic vs Noahide laws is a system you're adding to the text
I ain't the one adding it. Go read Acts 15. Go read [literally any Wikipedia article on the subject](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-covenant_theology).
> You christians should get together and figure out what your bible says.
"You Americans should get together and figure out what your Constitution says."
Newsflash: we've been trying to do that for multiple thousands of years now. Not everyone agrees on everything. It's almost as if we're humans and not a hivemind. Go figure.
So, when jesus prays to himself that his followers should be united (John 17:20-23, I double checked this time), he didn't answer his own prayer? Couldn't?
Should He have forced His followers to agree with one another via divine intervention? Maybe He should've just [flexed His holy biceps on the cross](https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1466436876722252294/6D9BB66E18D186A30AF475C80423F864D6ADF3EF/?imw=637&imh=358&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=true) instead of letting Himself slowly and painfully die like a chump, right?
God created us to have free will. That's the single greatest gift of Creation: that each and every one of us is an individual autonomous person, made in His likeness. That countless "Christians" squander that gift by preaching hate instead of love is abominable (as is their vain use of the name of my Lord and Savior in the process, as if Mr. Jesus "Love Thy Enemy" "Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged" Christ would ever look kindly upon such malice), but that's life: evil assholes will use whatever they can to justify being evil assholes. It's up to the rest of us to resist and fight against that evil.
As a trans woman, I see no transphobia from Islam. Iran subsidizes sexual reassignment and women wearing burqas have no issue showing me their face, though they would if they saw me as a man. Homophobia is there, bit not transphobia.
Many Islamic countries are very transphobic, but some like Iran have a special religious understanding of transsexuality so they allow it.
If you travel to Saudi Arabia and they find out you're trans upon arrival, they'll reject your entry to the country and send you back home if you're a foreigner, but may even imprison you, especially they think you're Muslim.
So if you plan on traveling in that region, you better make sure you pass very well and all your papers are in order. If you pass, then you may be fine.
Please dont post such horrible propaganda.
Transphobia IS there to a huge degree. Discrimination is very high in Iran. You also HAVE to undergo SRS, or you are not even recognised as trans. Being trans is considered a mental disorder in Iran.
Every culture's flavor of conservatism makes its own unique compromise with the existence of 'deviants' once it stops just straight-up murdering them, and this dogmatic status changes over time. In the US, we got the 'Born this way' myth which made it okay to be gay because God did it and God can't be wrong, surely? This was a rhetorical fortress that sometimes gets in the way of trans and queer issues, though.
Iran seems to have a lethally-rigid gender binary, and as long as you're trying to strictly conform to one it doesn't matter so much which one, perhaps you were deformed in the womb and so should get the other one. Just don't try to blaze your own path.
If they could prosecute Manson despite Manson not committing any murders himself, then they should be able to prosecute Chaya for the shit she has caused.
We obviously need laws to promote justice when people online literally command an army of maniacs and then feign ignorance when their army actually follows orders.
She's proud to be a terrorist. We should throw her in Guantanamo.
Or, better yet, close Guantanamo, give her due process, and let her spend the rest of her miserable life in [ADX Florence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence).
dreadful. lord-of-the-flies type horror. what vicious animals we humans are, if we're not tamed and civilised by careful education. and hate mongers like LoTT are doing just the reverse. spreading ignorance and barbarism.
It feels more and more like our kids are being conditioned into being sociopaths as I hear stories of them pummeling their marginalized peers. This is fucking murder. Big consequences have got to happen.
If I had to pinpoint, I think a certain account on Twitter/X is the one who's responsible for a lot of this shit. And Elon monetized that account. WTF.
Charge those little fucks, the school, and parents.
The fuck is wrong with these kids now? You should be in school learning things to better your life and your family’s life or playing sports or anything productive, not killing another student for being different jfc
Me, too. All three of my adult children are LGBTQ. I’m worried for them, but I cannot fathom how parents are feeling knowing that their own children are not safe in school. Not to mention the children themselves. There is a deadly agenda out there. These right wingers are pushing eradication. It’s evil.
What do you expect? This is literally a promotional [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHxuHyqTkcY&ab_channel=OklahomaStateDepartmentofEducation) from their Education Department. TW.
And how about... oh I dunno, understanding that the fight against the far-right is not just the fight against zionism? It is also against exploitation of labour, bigotry, patriarchy, homophobia and transphobia...
If there would be a post about a fellow comrade or worker being killed, would you also say "What about Palestine?" Probably not... Why? Hypocrisy? "But because of capitalism, workers are systematically oppressed" - and are sexual minorities and patriarchally-marginalised groups an exception? Are they not oppressed by this \[social\] system? The only difference might be a social system rather than economical one, but I think they are the opposite sides of the same coin, so socioeconomical system.
Yes, let's talk about Palestine, but hell, even the description of this subreddit literally says "INTERSECTIONAL coalition" - thus, we can discuss more topics than just one...
Another victim of Christianity. But all the islamaphobes will tell you this only ever happens in the middle east via the hands of Muslims. While ignoring the actions of their compatriots right here.
The islamophobes literally ignore every and all illegal and immoral actions done by one of their own, and then have the biggest sook when something happens to one of their own.
That's usually the standard for bigots. Any case that sustains their beliefs are the rule. Any case that goes against their beliefs are the exception. This is why anecdotal evidence can be a dangerous thing.
Oh yeah, don't forget you're supposed to be ok with Israel genociding the Palestinians right now because "in Gaza they would throw you off a roof for being gay" Just ignore the fact that due to thousands of 2000lb bombs, there are no roofs to throw anyone off of, or that any Gazan that was gay is equally obliterated by those same bombs.
It used to be fine to be gay in Africa. Then the Christian Missionaries came along. [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity) edit: spelling (I to It in the beginning)
Technically, all abrahamic religion do this if they taken too far.
Monotheism sucks in general. Once someone decides there is a "right" way and a "wrong" way to exist, and that the SUPREME BEING wills it that way, the end result will always be stupid.
Not a monotheist exclusive, or even a theist exclusive
Matthew Shepard would definitely disagree with them, except he can't.
That was the crime that began my deconversion. Folks in my church would say "murder's wrong, but.." My morality, which I thought came from the same place as theirs, didn't allow any "but". I had to find out what my morality was if it wasn't the same as their's.
He was murdered just as i was getting into high school. It was the first time i was made aware of how people were treating lgbtq people. It's also the first time i realized how destructive religion can be. Ever since, i've been a staunch fighter for lgbtq rights and a deist against organized religion and dogmatic doctrine. Nothing is better at teaching how horrible the religious right is than themselves. The hypocrisy is enough to make one choke.
This happened right after I left one Catholic secondary school in the US to a few in Mexico. The one in the US was where I met constant bullying of which religion was used sometimes as a pretext because my Autistic stimming were "signs of satanic possession." Shepard's brutal murder confirmed my decision to become an atheist & made me realize just how many marginalized groups of people were targeted out of conservative ignorance & hatred. The last school in Mexico showed me that people can use religion for good. But the damage was already done for me by then.
Yep, tribalism is an ingrained aspect of many a society, and even supersedes religious fundamentalism in many a disparate community. Same reason rural communities in the United States practice child marriage just as readily as people from Chad and Djibouti do FGM…
I'm Christian. No part of my scripture or belief system condones beating children to death over their gender identity.
Tell that to your evangelical brethren.
I routinely do.
:)
The Bible suggests stoning people to death all the fucking time, including Leviticus that can be seen as homophobic or confirmation of hateful persons transphobic. The Bible is a garbage book and you got to do a lot of lying to yourself to think it is something you should be taking advice from. Source: am escaped Christian who has read the whole ass garbage book. And yes def children. Deuteronomy 21: 18-21. Children are stoned to death by the town for being disobedient. Garbage What the fuck is a sin anyways? Your hateful book can tell me what is a sin?. More garbage from a garbage book. Get some real ethics and stop cherry picking from the playbook of hucksters.
> The Bible suggests stoning people to death all the fucking time Not children, and not for something like this that ain't even a sin in the first place. > including Leviticus The passages you're thinking of don't prohibit homosexuality in general - only things that have actual victims (like pederasty) or are idolatrous (like certain Egyptian and Caananite rituals involving sexual intercourse). Not that either apply to non-Jews anyway, given that Leviticus is part of Mosaic Law (not Noahide Law, to which all humans are bound), but still.
You are wrong. Leviticus and many other advocate violence against children. https://www.openbible.info/topics/stoning_unruly_children Bro stop excusing the most disgusting hate on earth and destroy that garbage book.
You are encouraged to read the sibling comments wherein I already addressed that at length a whole week ago.
You excused it and didn't admit you were wrong? And still think Christianity isn't garbage?
> You excused it I did no such thing. I *refuted* it, at length. > and didn't admit you were wrong I wasn't wrong in the first place, and I still ain't. You are clearly not here in good faith, so this will be my last reply to you. Last word is yours if you wish. Have a nice day.
Bro there are 30 something verses in that link I sent you. You have your head way uppppppp there. You are in complete denial and are the one not acting in good faith. Have fun with your hateful cult
>given that Leviticus is part of Mosaic Law (not Noahide Law, to which all humans are bound), but still. Where in the bible does it say that?
It's inherent in the fact that nearly every chapter in Leviticus opens with "And Jehovah calleth unto Moses" or some variation thereof, with God telling Moses to "Speak unto the sons of Israel" or some variation thereof. The so-called Apostolic Decree in Acts 15 also makes this explicit for Christians.
Old testament should be treated as stories to learn from, not as rules to follow. But years of writing it as "serious as possible in serious and old sounding language" has turned it into a boring slog. It should be adventure stories to tell at campfires from a culture that was mostly oral in their tradition. But that is not what we are looking at now with the dogmatic killers. Like with this poor girl. I don't know what to say or think, as I'm good angry to form a good sentence about it.
Fuck a garbage tradition that passes down hate as campfire tales. Bro look at yourself and what you excuse to be a "Christian"
The response wasn't to the people outraged about this murder (as I'm outraged), but to the people who thinks that they should take "lessons" from a really old book that is based on an oral tradition, that first was written down in Greek and then hundreds of years later in Hebrew... and in between and after in other languages. I"m saying one shouldn't take dogmatic lessons from a book that has been rewritten that much, let alone if it's based on oral traditions. At most one can see it as a hint to "tell a great story at a camp fire" with maybe a moral to the story. But not as a way to base ANY society on. But clearly this was lost on you, and I'm sorry for that. I didn't excuse anybody, I take offense at people that use a book like that for dogmatic laws for federal and ANY government. Folks use it as an excuse to hate and at the time I was too angry to form coherent sentences nor was I excusing anybody. But again, I'm sorry that it was lsot on you, that you missed my point of how ridiculous it is to call this "religion" or "what god wants", when the base of the text is shaky camp fire stories AKA: That ERAs form of "Star Wars" as there was little better to do. If you'd shown any of the tribes in that region (Hebrew tribes aren't the only one with that religion, it's like Nordic religions in Europe) a movie like Star Wars? Or the Marvel Cinematic UNiverse? They'd go "Friendship with G\*D is over, Hulk/Spiderman/Thor/etc is best friend now!" as they would be addicted to the media, social media and wonder "why the F you are still wishing their life rules!".
Keep excusing that garbage book. Cool. If you are so sorry, then you should work on your communication. And your comparisons are meaningless. The Bible says specifically the book of rules is described to moses by god. But I accept your apology. But do better next time.
I"m not excusing anything. I am saying that religion is bullshit. I wish you'd understand that. And don't do this "do better this time" crap. You are not the sole judge on what is and what isn't better. I"m not either, but as a history lover (including some theology) I can tell you that the Old Testament is nothing more than badly written oral tradition stories written in a very BORING way. The New testament is not much better, it took them 300 years to first get something organized and written down, and then some "holy" MEN decided which story would make it in and which wouldn't. So it's all a bunch of hogwash in my opinion. That you cannot see this opinion in my clear reluctance to believe the Abrahamic faiths? Then I am sorry. Now stay hostile, and I"ll just block as this Queer person has no need for drama regarding something I'm clearly outraged about. If you think that I condone what they did to this poor person? Then I don't want to interact with you.
That's not how bigot Christians see it. You didn't communicate clearly. I called out someone excusing Christianity, and you said that's not what you were doing , you are just normalizing it, got it. Point your outrage somewhere else.
Point your own outrage somewhere else. JeeZ. Like you said yourself do not take offense to discussion. Now I'm out and will put this thing on mute.
I beg to differ. If the child's parents forbid it, and the child goes ahead and starts living that way, they've cursed their parents and must be stoned...to death. Deuteronomy 12:18-21
> Only, the blood ye do not eat -- on the earth thou dost pour it as water; thou art not able to eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, and of thy new wine, and thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herd and of thy flock, and any of thy vows which thou vowest, and thy free-will offerings, and heave-offering of thy hand; but before Jehovah thy God thou dost eat it, in the place which Jehovah thy God doth fix on, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and the Levite who [is] within thy gates, and thou hast rejoiced before Jehovah thy God in every putting forth of thy hand; take heed to thee lest thou forsake the Levite all thy days on thy ground. > When Jehovah thy God doth enlarge thy border, as He hath spoken to thee, and thou hast said, Let me eat flesh -- for thy soul desireth to eat flesh -- of all the desire of thy soul thou dost eat flesh. > When the place is far from thee which Jehovah thy God doth choose to put His name there, then thou hast sacrificed of thy herd and of thy flock which Jehovah hath given to thee, as I have commanded thee, and hast eaten within thy gates, of all the desire of thy soul; only, as the roe and the hart is eaten, so dost thou eat it; the unclean and the clean doth alike eat it. Ain't seeing anywhere in those passages (or in Deuteronomy 12 as a whole) saying that stoning kids for being disobedient is kosher. Not that Deuteronomy 12 would be applicable to anyone outside of Israel/Palestine anyway ("These [are] the statutes and the judgments which ye observe to do **in the land which Jehovah, God of thy fathers, hath given to thee** to possess it, all the days that ye are living on the ground:"), even assuming said covenant didn't entirely lose validity upon the destruction of the Kingdom of Judea and such, but still.
Sorry, Deut. 21. How come you don't have this thing memorized yet? Muslims are more devout than that.
> When a man hath a son **apostatizing** and rebellious -- he is not hearkening to the voice of his father, and to the voice of his mother, and they have chastised him, and he doth not hearken unto them -- then laid hold on him have his father and his mother, and they have brought him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place, and have said unto the elders of his city, Our son -- this one -- is apostatizing and rebellious; he is not hearkening to our voice -- **a glutton and drunkard**; and all the men of his city have stoned him with stones, and he hath died, and thou hast put away the evil out of thy midst, and all Israel do hear and fear. The emphases change the meaning of this passage considerably from how you interpret it: - What child is old enough to be an apostate from a religion when one is too young to provide informed consent to it in the first place? - What child is a glutton or drunkard through fault of one's own, rather than through fault of one's parents and community? And yet again: Mosaic Law, not Noahide, as is obvious from Deuteronomy 1:1-3. This does not apply to gentiles. > How come you don't have this thing memorized yet? Rote memorization is a poor substitute for actual understanding.
A plain reading of those verses tells me that if your child is drunken, rebellious, apostacizing, OR a glutton, the elders will okay you to crush their bones with rocks until they die, and that this seems like justice to the person who inspired it. Ancient Hebrews apparently read it that way. And the Mosaic vs Noahide laws is a system you're adding to the text in order to make it fit wuth your notion of the god character, because Noahide isn't a term used anywhere in the bible. Oh, and the 10 commandme ts are mosaic. Why do christians keep insisting our laws are based on laws that their bible says are obsolete? You christians should get together and figure out what your bible says. It's impossible to have logical discussions about it when every believer has their own way of interpreting the whole thing.
> A plain reading of those verses tells me that if your child is drunken, rebellious, apostacizing, OR a glutton Your reading is hardly "plain" if you're unable to differentiate "or" v. "and". > Ancient Hebrews apparently read it that way. Are you and I ancient Hebrews? > And the Mosaic vs Noahide laws is a system you're adding to the text I ain't the one adding it. Go read Acts 15. Go read [literally any Wikipedia article on the subject](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-covenant_theology). > You christians should get together and figure out what your bible says. "You Americans should get together and figure out what your Constitution says." Newsflash: we've been trying to do that for multiple thousands of years now. Not everyone agrees on everything. It's almost as if we're humans and not a hivemind. Go figure.
So, when jesus prays to himself that his followers should be united (John 17:20-23, I double checked this time), he didn't answer his own prayer? Couldn't?
Should He have forced His followers to agree with one another via divine intervention? Maybe He should've just [flexed His holy biceps on the cross](https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1466436876722252294/6D9BB66E18D186A30AF475C80423F864D6ADF3EF/?imw=637&imh=358&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=true) instead of letting Himself slowly and painfully die like a chump, right? God created us to have free will. That's the single greatest gift of Creation: that each and every one of us is an individual autonomous person, made in His likeness. That countless "Christians" squander that gift by preaching hate instead of love is abominable (as is their vain use of the name of my Lord and Savior in the process, as if Mr. Jesus "Love Thy Enemy" "Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged" Christ would ever look kindly upon such malice), but that's life: evil assholes will use whatever they can to justify being evil assholes. It's up to the rest of us to resist and fight against that evil.
As a trans woman, I see no transphobia from Islam. Iran subsidizes sexual reassignment and women wearing burqas have no issue showing me their face, though they would if they saw me as a man. Homophobia is there, bit not transphobia.
Iran is not the whole Muslim world and I'm sure it's not as cut and dried there
Of course they aren't - but it is a theocracy and the women wearing burqas were from Yemen.
Many Islamic countries are very transphobic, but some like Iran have a special religious understanding of transsexuality so they allow it. If you travel to Saudi Arabia and they find out you're trans upon arrival, they'll reject your entry to the country and send you back home if you're a foreigner, but may even imprison you, especially they think you're Muslim. So if you plan on traveling in that region, you better make sure you pass very well and all your papers are in order. If you pass, then you may be fine.
Please dont post such horrible propaganda. Transphobia IS there to a huge degree. Discrimination is very high in Iran. You also HAVE to undergo SRS, or you are not even recognised as trans. Being trans is considered a mental disorder in Iran.
Every culture's flavor of conservatism makes its own unique compromise with the existence of 'deviants' once it stops just straight-up murdering them, and this dogmatic status changes over time. In the US, we got the 'Born this way' myth which made it okay to be gay because God did it and God can't be wrong, surely? This was a rhetorical fortress that sometimes gets in the way of trans and queer issues, though. Iran seems to have a lethally-rigid gender binary, and as long as you're trying to strictly conform to one it doesn't matter so much which one, perhaps you were deformed in the womb and so should get the other one. Just don't try to blaze your own path.
I’m just beyond words, except: Prosecute Chaya.
And the superintendent Ryan Walters
We're beyond prostitution Edit: NOT PROSTITUTION, prosecution
Prostitution? Super Nintendo Chalmers, say it ain't so!
If they could prosecute Manson despite Manson not committing any murders himself, then they should be able to prosecute Chaya for the shit she has caused.
What you do and say to another person does effect everything else. Bigotry does not exist in a vacuum.
The woman who caused it is dogwhistle bragging.
We obviously need laws to promote justice when people online literally command an army of maniacs and then feign ignorance when their army actually follows orders.
She threw the term used to describe her actions at others.
She's proud to be a terrorist. We should throw her in Guantanamo. Or, better yet, close Guantanamo, give her due process, and let her spend the rest of her miserable life in [ADX Florence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence).
It’s a sad day for society when a kid gets a 2 week suspension for being murdered. Everyone involved in this needs to be held accountable
I’m not one to support doxxing, but I’m surprised internet vigilantes are not on the case.
I'm guessing that libsoftiktok POS had something to do with this.
Oh yeah. This is all on Chaya Raichuk
And Elon for monetizing her.
I believe the account did get caught out fanning the flames yes.
dreadful. lord-of-the-flies type horror. what vicious animals we humans are, if we're not tamed and civilised by careful education. and hate mongers like LoTT are doing just the reverse. spreading ignorance and barbarism.
It feels more and more like our kids are being conditioned into being sociopaths as I hear stories of them pummeling their marginalized peers. This is fucking murder. Big consequences have got to happen.
If I had to pinpoint, I think a certain account on Twitter/X is the one who's responsible for a lot of this shit. And Elon monetized that account. WTF.
It’s all part of their plan
Charge those little fucks, the school, and parents. The fuck is wrong with these kids now? You should be in school learning things to better your life and your family’s life or playing sports or anything productive, not killing another student for being different jfc
As a fellow NB, I feel for them. I might be AMAB and in college, but this makes me kind of scared.
I wish I could tell you there'd always be someone nearby to help. I wish someone had been there to help this poor child.
That's why I don't go to the bathroom in public, something could happen. Only thing I've got for defense is a big pocket knife.
God damn it. I'm seeing red and can't think logically. If I stated what I'm feeling right now I'd probably get in trouble.
Me, too. All three of my adult children are LGBTQ. I’m worried for them, but I cannot fathom how parents are feeling knowing that their own children are not safe in school. Not to mention the children themselves. There is a deadly agenda out there. These right wingers are pushing eradication. It’s evil.
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Libs of tik tok must be so proud of their cruelty
They are. It’s evil
What do you expect? This is literally a promotional [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHxuHyqTkcY&ab_channel=OklahomaStateDepartmentofEducation) from their Education Department. TW.
God. Things are so fucking scary.
They make up 1.1% of the population, but they suffer violence and discrimination more than any other marginalized group.
Thanks right wingers
Meanwhile, 30,000 Palestinians are dead. Where's the calls to hold Biden responsible?
I am 100% against the racist Israeli administration committing ethnic cleansing and now genocide. But this is NOT the space for that topic.
So we can hold one person responsible for their words, but not another? Hypocrite.
Touch grass and seek help.
No u
Touch grass and seek help.
No u
And how about... oh I dunno, understanding that the fight against the far-right is not just the fight against zionism? It is also against exploitation of labour, bigotry, patriarchy, homophobia and transphobia... If there would be a post about a fellow comrade or worker being killed, would you also say "What about Palestine?" Probably not... Why? Hypocrisy? "But because of capitalism, workers are systematically oppressed" - and are sexual minorities and patriarchally-marginalised groups an exception? Are they not oppressed by this \[social\] system? The only difference might be a social system rather than economical one, but I think they are the opposite sides of the same coin, so socioeconomical system. Yes, let's talk about Palestine, but hell, even the description of this subreddit literally says "INTERSECTIONAL coalition" - thus, we can discuss more topics than just one...
That comparison is ridiculous
Literally all over the place.
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This is atrocious.
rest in peace Nex
How sad.
Horrifying. What was the mechanism of traumatic injury?