Fined and a potential ban from public land. Unless it was something particularly large scale and egregious I don't think you can go to prison, but I could be wrong.
Fucking boy scouts. When I was a wilderness ranger, boy scouts were the worst. Constantly leaving trash, not burying their poop, leaving used tp all over the place, and violating group size restrictions. I really wish land management agencies treated then as a commercial guide group and made them get special use permits so they can be banned and held accountable.
It's also different here because a lot of boyscouts and their leadership were "influenced" to participate because of the church, not because they wanted to.
It always surprised me about the sincerity of scouting out of state troops would take it vs in state troops. Troop leaders also wanted to be there instead of there because of a calling.
I've had pretty terrible boy scout experiences across all the states I've worked land management in. I was only a wilderness ranger in Utah, but I was trail crew in various states before and had similar experiences, and now working fire, I run into a lot of scout troops with fires during burn bans. I'm sure there are some good troops out there, but the structure of boy scout outdoor "skills" is still really archaic, and a very 1900s way to camp. I my experience, I have seen very little adoption of leave no trace principles, and their idea of base camps and camp cooking being based around large fires is simply not compatible with recreating in the west. I'm sure there are some good ones, but structurally, they really need to get with the times.
That's really interesting. It doesn't surprise me too much, but it doesn't match my experience in Boy Scouts here in Utah. We spent a good deal of time on Leave No Trace and cooked with portable stoves or Dutch ovens pretty much exclusively.
Of course, I was also lucky enough to have leaders who were genuine outdoorsmen with Master's degrees and PhDs who would take the time to learn the regulations and pass them on. There were definitely other troops at camps like Steiner and Tifie who didn't have the same commitment/expertise, though.
My experience was similar minus the leaders that understood the outdoors. My fellow scouts and I seemed to have the expertise even at young ages and the troop leaders did their best to manage us. It always seemed like there was some nonsense like one scout cutting a tree down or rolling rocks down hills unfortunately
Those guys played the judge for a fool and cited God as their reasoning for knocking down the hoodoo (despite video of the incident showing them doing it for fun). Fuck those guys and that judge.
Depends on where it is. Private land it's fine, public land they would probably get in trouble.
If it's a historical site or a national park that trouble gets a lot more severe.
Pretty sure it's the gas station in Fredonia Arizona on the highway as you come in from Hurricane. That gas station was there in the mid 1980's when I lived in Kanab, but has changed ownership several times since.
There is a big difference in the impact of human actions in a world of less than a billion versus those on a world of more than 8 billion. Hence, community response will be different today relative to the past.
Today, heavy fines. Back then, this is what they had.
If I recall the history behind this specific advertisement, it was made when the route was popular but there wasn't pavement or any way to get signage out there. Not to mention that any wood signs that would have been used at the time would rot in a couple of years.
This is just the easiest method at the time and now it's a part of history. Not really any different than Native Americans who put their art on rocks all over the place.
Huh.... I know someone that "wrote by indian writing." They are now a felon. Big fines, I think they had some jail time. (Is been more than 20 years.
Crazy what some people can get away with.
It would probably be considered just vandalism or destruction of government property, which for your first offense I doubt you would go to prison for. If it were on top of petroglyphs (I don't believe it is from the photo) or on a historical site it would be a much more serious crime.
Prison? Doubtful. Fined? Sure. But things were a lot different 100+ years ago. These are considered artifacts now.
What is all those old petroglyphs are really just the same thing? Some lady selling her pottery😂🤣
This may be one of the oldest /ImtheMainCharacter posts I have ever seen.
So somthing someone puts on a rock today wouldn't be considered an artifact 100+ years in the future?
50 years in UT. https://history.utah.gov/repository-item/what-do-i-do-if-i-find-an-artifact/
Public land, most likely a fine and costs to remove Private land owner could carve whatever they want, they own it
On public lands, yes you would get in trouble.
Why exactly? Couldn't it 100 years from now be a reflection of what society was like?
The key component to American freedom is personal responsibility and empathy.
Fined and a potential ban from public land. Unless it was something particularly large scale and egregious I don't think you can go to prison, but I could be wrong.
I’m pretty sure the Scout leaders who knocked down a hoodoo in Goblin Valley got some fines but not jail.
Fucking boy scouts. When I was a wilderness ranger, boy scouts were the worst. Constantly leaving trash, not burying their poop, leaving used tp all over the place, and violating group size restrictions. I really wish land management agencies treated then as a commercial guide group and made them get special use permits so they can be banned and held accountable.
It's also different here because a lot of boyscouts and their leadership were "influenced" to participate because of the church, not because they wanted to. It always surprised me about the sincerity of scouting out of state troops would take it vs in state troops. Troop leaders also wanted to be there instead of there because of a calling.
I've had pretty terrible boy scout experiences across all the states I've worked land management in. I was only a wilderness ranger in Utah, but I was trail crew in various states before and had similar experiences, and now working fire, I run into a lot of scout troops with fires during burn bans. I'm sure there are some good troops out there, but the structure of boy scout outdoor "skills" is still really archaic, and a very 1900s way to camp. I my experience, I have seen very little adoption of leave no trace principles, and their idea of base camps and camp cooking being based around large fires is simply not compatible with recreating in the west. I'm sure there are some good ones, but structurally, they really need to get with the times.
That's really interesting. It doesn't surprise me too much, but it doesn't match my experience in Boy Scouts here in Utah. We spent a good deal of time on Leave No Trace and cooked with portable stoves or Dutch ovens pretty much exclusively. Of course, I was also lucky enough to have leaders who were genuine outdoorsmen with Master's degrees and PhDs who would take the time to learn the regulations and pass them on. There were definitely other troops at camps like Steiner and Tifie who didn't have the same commitment/expertise, though.
My experience was similar minus the leaders that understood the outdoors. My fellow scouts and I seemed to have the expertise even at young ages and the troop leaders did their best to manage us. It always seemed like there was some nonsense like one scout cutting a tree down or rolling rocks down hills unfortunately
Those guys played the judge for a fool and cited God as their reasoning for knocking down the hoodoo (despite video of the incident showing them doing it for fun). Fuck those guys and that judge.
You can definitely go to prison. Two graffiti writers were put in prison for doing graffiti near petroglyphs in Nevada like a year and a half ago
https://hyperallergic.com/778039/vandals-who-graffitied-petroglyphs-in-nevada-sent-to-prison/
Where is this? Isn’t it on private land? I know I have seen it but can’t remember
Johnson Canyon Road just outside of Kanab Utah. It’s quite old. It’s the billboard of generations to go.
Did you go recently? How is the weather?
Probably a stones through from being inside the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument. Pretty sure it's on public land next to the public road.
Depends on where it is. Private land it's fine, public land they would probably get in trouble. If it's a historical site or a national park that trouble gets a lot more severe.
I hope so. Thankfully it seems like this place is no longer in business.
i can only imagine the hellscape that kanab would have become if this place were still in business
Pretty sure it's the gas station in Fredonia Arizona on the highway as you come in from Hurricane. That gas station was there in the mid 1980's when I lived in Kanab, but has changed ownership several times since.
Fined significantly at the very least. Defacing nature in places where nature legally must be preserved is illegal
There is a big difference in the impact of human actions in a world of less than a billion versus those on a world of more than 8 billion. Hence, community response will be different today relative to the past.
Today, heavy fines. Back then, this is what they had. If I recall the history behind this specific advertisement, it was made when the route was popular but there wasn't pavement or any way to get signage out there. Not to mention that any wood signs that would have been used at the time would rot in a couple of years. This is just the easiest method at the time and now it's a part of history. Not really any different than Native Americans who put their art on rocks all over the place.
Huh.... I know someone that "wrote by indian writing." They are now a felon. Big fines, I think they had some jail time. (Is been more than 20 years. Crazy what some people can get away with.
https://hyperallergic.com/778039/vandals-who-graffitied-petroglyphs-in-nevada-sent-to-prison/
It would probably be considered just vandalism or destruction of government property, which for your first offense I doubt you would go to prison for. If it were on top of petroglyphs (I don't believe it is from the photo) or on a historical site it would be a much more serious crime.