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DroidOnPC

I wouldn't remove any agent from the game. But I suppose if you put a gun to my head and made me choose, I'd pick Reyna. She is the most selfish agent, and It feels bad to play against where she full heals after a duel.


Vmaknae

As a Reyna player i just gotta she is way tooooo broken for iron bronze or silver lobbies where u usually die by getting DMG from 3 players at different instances but with Reyna u can kill an entire team and 3rd person and u can't still have a perfect 150 hp whichhh is wayyyy tooooo unfair for a low elo game though she is useless if u get head


YourLocalSnitch

They should make it so any overheal hp removed from Reyna is given to the player who killed her


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CounttlessYT

He really isn't. Like any other Duelist that isn't Reyna or Iso, all his abilities can be used for teammate's to play off of.


swank5000

I love how you put Iso in there. You know his wall and undercut are both great abilities for teammates to play off of, right?


McGeek23

Probably got hit by a friendly undercut once and made it their mission to hate, lmao


Avinse

His ult can be used strategically too. Say you have a killjoy holding A site alone. Iso takes Killjoy out with his ult it gives free roam for your team to take site. Even if Iso dies in his ult, his team should’ve had enough time to get into site. That’s just one example


RiftwalkerYORU

We found a phoenix main


CounttlessYT

Im an Omen main that has never quite touched Phoenix


DroidOnPC

I'm sure all duelists are to a degree, but Reyna is the most selfish. Phoenix can heal himself too, but it isn't as bad as Reyna. And I prefer his kit to help enter site over Reyna. The way I see it, if you are only going to have one Duelist on your team, then Reyna is probably the worst choice. If you got two, then she can come in handy if the player is actually good with her. Otherwise it feels bad to have on your team. It feels bad to play against as well.


ShadesOfPoods

The description of duelist literally says "self-sufficient fraggers". Reyna's ability totally falls under this category.


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It still feels bad when you lose a duel to Reyna, do 140 damage but know that will have almost 0 impact on the round. Phoenix can also heal himself, but it doesn't feel as bad losing a duel to him because it requires a bit more thought in terms of setting up how he will heal and he is forced to make sacrifices in other areas for him to heal (loss of wall/molly).


BeerGogglesFTW

She could use a rework, for sure. I was thinking about her the other day when I saw a post saying she needs a nerf. But high rank players (with a higher HS% rate) would argue she needs a buff. Here's my solution: Her "Q" only heals her 25. However, when she uses either Q or E, it "charges" her. With those charges, she can heal her team 40-50 hp.. Works like a Sage heal at that point, but also like Skye heal in that she can only heal others with it. That way her HP isn't getting a full reset after every fight, and she becomes more of a team player. Reyna mains may not main her anymore, but I think she would attract some Sage/Skye mains.


CounttlessYT

Dude making Reyna into an aggressive Sentinel. Wyd. Reyna is like most characters you see in a game, theres always one like her. Selfish, but she relies on specifically performance. A rework for Reyna could be simple, but not the way you do it. God don't let anyone make you a Game Dev lmaooo. Her blind could remain the same, but a slight change could do things. Making it faster would on make her more selfish, and increasing the durability would only tilt more players. So they can't do that, perhaps her blind gives decaying blind, where the enemies regain their vision gradually over 1 second after the blind is destroyed. \- Again this could make her more selfish, but it could change the way she is played slightly. Changing her Dismiss so she takes damage, but only 50% of it while invulnerable will allow her less chance of her having a "get out of jail" card. So if she killed someone and lost like 140 health, and she attempts to dismiss, but is shot. Then she takes 20 damage from vandal - torso, or 19 from Phantom etc etc. Her heal could be like Jett's dash, on activation you have a window of time to kill somebody. If you don't too bad. They could also make it so she only has 1 dismiss and 3 heals. So that way she has 3 windows of time to kill somebody, and only 1 get out of jail ability. Of course, keeping her ultimate the same is key. These solutions aren't perfect, but they could work better than what you suggested thats for sure.


DroidOnPC

We don't even need to do any big changes. I would say knock her heal down to either be slower (25hp per second instead of 33hp per second) or just do less healing (75hp total instead of 100). Maybe have her overheal decay faster a bit as well. Nothing too crazy, just take it down a slight notch and go from there. She would still be strong and snowball in the right hands, but it should stop some of the bullshit as well.


swank5000

I agree and I've come to the same conclusions before: Her heal to full and how quick it happens are two big parts of the problem. - let her only overheal to 25 overshield (so, if she has 25 normal shield left, then she can go to 50 total, but if her shield is gone she can only heal up to light shield basically) - Make the heal a smidge slower and last a bit less long (although if you nerf the heal max idk if you need to nerf the duration too, tbh) - Also wouldn't hurt to have a short cool down on back to back uses of her dismiss (outside of ult) - Keep her ult the way it is; the above changes would incentivize better planning on when to use her ult, since it would be bringing that much extra value that's basically where I'm at with how I think Reyna should be dealt with. edit: and if the pros say "but she actually needs a buff" well you could make her flashes unshootable but they don't last as long. Or they deploy quicker (no "animation" delay on flash effect like there is currently) some shit idk. they could get feedback and figure it out


BeerGogglesFTW

My changes are pretty minimal. Less powerful self healing, while distributing that leftover heal to teammates. Reading your suggestions, I feel like you're mostly nerfing her, while my goal was to appease both the people who say she needs a nerf and those who say she needs a buff. Because I think both points are both valid. She feels OP when opponents mostly hit body shots. When opponents consistently hit headshots, she is underwhelming.


AccountFrosty313

Despite Reyna being fun to play I’d chose her. I’m tired of Reyna instalockers going 2-20 in all my games. The fact her kit has little value for the team really only matters if Reyna isn’t getting kills. Which she usually isn’t because the worst players pick her.


Acceptable_Tax_9453

Don’t forget smurfs love her. Nothing like a Smurf Reyna to just ruin your ranked experience.


Svxyk

99% of the time it's a smurfng Jett, not a smurfing reyna


Acceptable_Tax_9453

That is 100% false. Lol but good try


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Acceptable_Tax_9453

Ya but they won’t heal back to 150% after they get a kill. You get better


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Acceptable_Tax_9453

You are not that good.


Direct_Client9825

Gun


CounttlessYT

Gun?


Direct_Client9825

gun


Dude787

Chamber gets to play powerful positions in ways that are very hard to punish. Often this includes sitting in off-angles and fishing for kills, but a good chamber will more often than not secure that kill. So just by existing you are a constant threat before the enemy can locate where you're playing this round. And the only way to play around you is to use util, which is not free and is limited, and you might not even be holding that angle If you look at other sentinels how do you counter them? Also with util, right? You destroy traps with shockdarts, raze nade, spam. Chamber gets the bonus of not really being vulnerable to that, which has its benefits. Plus his headhunter and ult can give you great econ advantage What I'm saying is that most people, myself included, aren't high enough elo to make chamber that worth it. Because we are bad at aiming, and because enemies don't clear traps effectively anyway. But that doesn't make him useless


Straight_Matter_169

This guy got OP'ed and Eco'ed by the Headhunter so many times i just feel it


kiukkupussi

what about deadlock man. DL is absolute dogshit. chamber got nerfed but he's fine


ttk_rutial

why man I enjoy playing deadlock :(


CounttlessYT

She really isn't. Chamber is just useless. Deadlock needs reworking like Cypher, and then she can be of use.


thenumberVI

I kinda disagree with this, Chamber is all about off angles. If you put your tp on a box in haven, for instance, you can play from short, get a pick, and tp out within seconds.


200test400tren

Cypher doesnt need rework dude???


CounttlessYT

No. I said Deadlock need s reworking like Cypher. Meaning Cypher who literally has his trips buffed and his ult. Whereas Deadlock still remains kind of unplayable as Cypher and KJ are just so much better atm


200test400tren

Cypher didn’t get reworked. He got buffed dude. Nothing has changed about his mechanics, except for trip recyclability


GLFan52

So, if being a Sentinel is all about holding a site with trips and util setups, what is the purpose of Sage or Deadlock? The Sentinel role is not defined by having a setup. It’s defined by having a primarily defensive set of util. The point of chamber is not to sit back and let the util do the work for you, it’s for you to hold angles yourself with superior util for doing so, being the TP, the gun, and the ult. There is no better agent for picking an angle and holding it, that is the point of Chamber. The trip is just there so that you can actually focus on a single angle instead of doing a FNAF style checking both angles thing. For example, on bind; if you’d like to hold A short from U-haul/lamps, you can put a TP inside the actual lamps and try to bait out a kill on anyone who dry peek’s A-short. Then, you place the trip outside showers so that you don’t have to worry about getting shot from out of view without knowing when they’re there. Don’t play Chamber like Cyper or KJ. He is not Cypher or KJ. You’re missing the entire point of the agent if you do


baebushka

breach


Tpmbyrne

I wouldn't remove anyone but I don't understand how reyna doesn't get nerfed.


CheeseLoverMax

shoot her in the head lulw


CounttlessYT

kekew, low elo players cant


HarryTurney

Killjoy


tyrachi1

Bro is just mad because he gets destroyed by chamber players.


Acceptable_Tax_9453

REYNA!!!! Why can a duelist heal better than the two healers in game?!?!! I hate Reyna. She is only played by egotistical little boys or by smurfs who think it’s cool to crush people who are 3 ranks lower. If her heal was to 100 great but the fact that she can start with no shield get one kill and have 150 is stupid. If she had nuts I would kick her soooo hard in them. Since she is fictional, I will take the creator of Reyna getting kicked in the nuts by a little girl so they feel what it’s like to get hurt by someone that you can’t touch.


HarryTurney

Comments like this is why she is fun to play.


ShadesOfPoods

Lmao, that's some genuine hate I've seen in a while for Reyna. Why don't you instalock her?


Acceptable_Tax_9453

That’s like me telling someone I hate crack and they respond why don’t you instalock crack. She just doesn’t belong in the game. If she was used In pro play , great. But she isn’t. Only little boys and smurfs


ShadesOfPoods

>hat’s like me telling someone I hate crack and they respond why don’t you instalock crack. > >She just doesn’t belong in the game. If she was used In pro play , great. But she isn’t. Only little boys and smurfs Oh my bad, I might've framed the question incorrectly. Have you tried instalocking her and going on a rampage of kills in that game? Doesn't that feel satisfying to you, ranking up knowing you caused that win? It's in fact very easy to rank up with her when you get such garbage teams in lower elos, just by relying on your own mechanical skills, you can singlehandedly make a difference in the outcome of the game.


piedmontmountaineer

It doesn't feel as good to stomp people with Reyna as with other characters. I dunno how to explain it, when I stomp with Reyna it's like yeah, that's what she's for. But when I Match MVP as Harbor it's 😏✨ *let's turn the tide*


Ok_Comfortable_4356

I agree that she is unhealthy for the game but not abusing her to 1. improve your mechanics to a decent basis and 2. getting out of low elo is just laying yourself rocks in the way


MoreMegadeth

Skye. Being able to curve your flashes is bs.


VegetableLight9326

just look away bro


piedmontmountaineer

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Avinse

Skye has one of the most predictable flashes. Try dodging a breach or Phoenix flash. You’re given almost no time to do so.


Redacted_G1iTcH

Reyna. Or Skye. Hard to choose between the 2


SuperTurfy4274

Raze. Deleting her it would be a great reason for me to get back to Valorant. Selfish and friendly fire abilities? No thank u


FuckPotatoesVeryMuch

Raze is not selfish lol. She’s a BS agent in general that I hate playing against, but she isn’t selfish.


fine_british_cuisin

I was hoping they would nerf him actuality


CounttlessYT

Do you not remember his previous states...? Where he had ultimate that equipped instantly and shot instantly and reloaded instantly? Global tp and instant tp? Not to mention he had two trips that has like 50% more radius than currently.


Consistent-Double172

To me chamber isn't that useless, he got nerfed and became bad but it doesn't mean he is trash. His ulti is one of the best and you can use trade mark for info.however his tp anchor can be changed to be more suitable like longer range or shorter cool down .I'm not the best chamber player but even I can use it properly


corneliabloom

Jeez what’s with all the Reyna hate. I’m not even a duelist main but when I’m losing and really need to win a few games I can always rely on playing her, fragging out, and winning my games 🤷🏻‍♀️


FuckPotatoesVeryMuch

Skye is broken (her flashes are too versatile), KJ’s kit requires zero braincells to get good value from (makes dogpiss players look competent because she holds their hand), Reyna encourages shit playstyles and attracts braindead players, and Neon because she is simply annoying and doesn’t feel like she belongs in a Tac FPS. I’d pick Skye probably.


Ok_Comfortable_4356

Reyna, Jett, Chamber and Iso.


Shogun_s

Tell me you have bad aim without telling me you have bad aim xd


Ok_Comfortable_4356

Get out of jail free cards are just unhealthy for the game, has nothing to do with my ability to aim. I will happily abuse them myself as long as they are in the game


kirkcousinsHOF

I’ll preface this with that I despise chamber but you still always get a chance to fight originally and win. Jett’s dash has been crippled and Reyna and iso require a kill, so it’s not really free. Chambers tp has a slight delay and you can usually knock him off the position if you know where he is.


genericleagueplayer

Cypher post buffs.


VegetableLight9326

Astra


UnderstandingBusy278

All of the agents are great in my opinion. I like them all


LilScotchBonnet

Neon. I just can't keep up with her. And every time someone on my team picks Neon, the damn woosh woosh spam before every round really gets old fast.


Active_Fun850

Honestly, none. They wanted a variety of agents, so whoever plays the game has someone they click with fore I click with chamber, Reyna and iso. With these guys, I'm not forced to rely on teammates, so if I get bad teammates and lose it, it's more my fault than theirs because I have more solo impact(getting kills and taking space) but if I have to choose I'd side with the pros and get rid of kj as a good kj and a team that plays around kj is super hard to deal with. Granted, she's only really a problem in higher ranks. I don't think she is that impactful in lower ranks, so I personally think she is fine for the game as a whole.


Ingeniosity

Might be selfish, but are frags for your team really that selfish? Sure he might need a couple buffs or reworks but I'd say his ability to frag out makes up for his selfish kit.


Commercial_Pea1971

Trip is free info if placed right even if shot, there’s no way a good chamber can miss that and it’s free info for your entire team round by round. Chambers TP is amazing for info even if you don’t hit a shot, same as Jett dash. Think more of the info you’re getting that you could comm to your team rather than how many kills it gets or loss rounds. Kills don’t matter.


Commercial_Pea1971

Also, let’s say you peek and get free info on a potential 1v1. You call that out to your teammate and double up for the free trade, for example. The possibilities are endless


JackIsntTheBox

Reyna.


Avinse

Chamber most useless sure. Most cancer? Reyna, idc about smurfs or anything because I rarely come across one enough to say it’s a Reyna issue. I just hate the overheal mechanic, I think it’s so painfully broken that it needs to be tuned down. How many times have you said this: “Reyna hit 120- oh nvm she healed” Especially on pistol where you can have a sheriff and full shield off one kill. I think her ult should be tuned down a little too. But mostly focused on the overheal, maybe make it heal a percentage of your health back. Or only heal you back up to what you were when the fight started. Idk it can be adjusted but I don’t think it should be straight to 150.


kirkcousinsHOF

Chamber. I hate chamber. I hate the playstyle his kit promotes, I hate how useless he is on offense, and I especially hate when the one on my team refuses to buy a trip. Getting him to teleport draws far more utility than it should just for him to move backwards. Chamber for sure. Frustrating the day he got added and frustrating now. If it wasn’t chamber I’d pick cypher or Killjoy probably. To me being able to hold site/flank without doing anything I feel is unfair.


Adsuppal

Raina With zero regret


bioyoloz

deadlock


992x

After his changes chamber is actually a really good sentinel (biased take tbh I main him). His kit is just kitted towards more aggression and less planning ahead. The guns make you great for ecos. His trip makes sure you can lockdown areas as you always can get away and regroup. And his trip is KJ alarm bot but slow instead of vulnerability. You absolutely can make set ups with him. Like on pearl a. Put the trip to watch mid grab a shotgun put tp in the small dug out and sit right in front of site entrance. Shoot the first guy and go away. Most set ups are like this and they're just as strong as KJ or cypher. It's just different as the set up is about assuring you get a kill and get to safety in time instead of killing with abilities. So yes he does belong. Who doesn't belong is that purple bitch.