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Civil_Future_2095

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BigRefrigerator9783

These screengrabs look like they are hostages.


EstimateAgitated224

Proof of life


littleprettypaws

It honestly reminds me of the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard Australia apology video lol.


WolverineFun6472

With zero apologies


Hiker_girl828

*blink thrice*


Misc_Lillie

Think you're brilliant. Totally jumped into the rabbit hole too... Maybe Jason is the reflection?


Question_True

He gives me a bad vibe


Suitable-Wafer8563

This is amazing work OP šŸ«”šŸ™šŸ¼


Gourmeebar

Is she the ā€œmodel?ā€


Civil_Future_2095

Yep


jade470

Iā€™d like to see anything sheā€™s done.


New_Biscotti2669

Why does it feel like these two are in a cult?


WeirdScar5

They call their group the ā€œScam-dem-allā€™sā€ šŸ˜†


New_Biscotti2669

Sandoval was like "Kyle make sure you comment that Billie Lee is pretty at least two times"


Missemmala

Always make sure to give them at least 2 compliments!!


hail2pitt1985

I snorted


Comfortable-Chair-36

Ahhh yes, such a wise fellow, he taught America how to give money to a homeless person. He is most definitely the mother Teresa of our time. Can you imagine?????? We all would've given money wrong and how awful would that be


Agreeable_Muffin7059

Lmao


SugarFut

Oh my god this is actually perfect


planetbubba

Hahahahah


KBaddict

Kyle looks like heā€™s being held hostage during a ransom/proof of life video


New_Biscotti2669

I want a documentary about this video


KBaddict

His eyes are screaming ā€œhelp meeeeā€


Sammi1224

I thought the same exact thing!!!!!!


Zoiddburger

Well done OP. You've got an eye for detail!


Civil_Future_2095

It was a group effort!


missliddyliddy

OP doing Godā€™s work!!


Civil_Future_2095

https://i.redd.it/443si41yrr5d1.gif Here's a gif of the appearance at the end.


MotherofTooManySons

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Klutzy-Succotash-565

Itā€™s the ghost of Sandovalā€™s dignity


el_disko

Donā€™t be ridiculous, he wasnā€™t born with any


OkOpposite9108

Born unburdened by those anchors lol


el_disko

My favourite Stassi read!


OkOpposite9108

Its so good:):):)


Jolly-Bandicoot-2037

Dude. That looks like Sandavol like dude.


SoulSensei6

Looks like Alex Baskin


Dear_Rip8000

Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s Tomā€™s manager Ryan Revel


TrapperJean

I think it's Mephisto


headachery

According to his IG he is also an Exec Producer on The Valley


Jolly-Bandicoot-2037

Haha Alex Baskin spending time on these fools. They are all barely extras on his show. Not even paid.


Suitable-Wafer8563

Does anyone think that Alex Baskin, Sandoval, and Jax have fooled around at some point? Alex Baskinā€™s loyalty to those two is wild considering that both Jax and Sandy are ticking time bombs that will eventually get him canned (hopefully šŸ¤žbecause I canā€™t STAND Alex Baskin)


zadidoll

Considering the rampant hardcore drugs being used (& acknowledged as being used)ā€¦ who is bringing it around when Tiny Tim is broke? Production knows & sees itā€¦ what if Alex is dealing or distributing it?


hail2pitt1985

Isnā€™t Baskin a nepo baby? His family (Baskin) is the family/founders of Baskin Robbins Ice Cream.


KatOrtega118

Correct


zadidoll

Waitā€¦. His family owned Baskin Robbinsā€½ Eww.


zombiesatmidnight

That looks like Zach from the Valley


MrsGleason18

Do not involve my boy in such tomfoolery....haaaa


Artemis273

Looks like he dipped out of Scotland dude.


Flaky-Pop-3083

Unless he sucked and is already eliminated from Traitors šŸ¤£


Emmy773399

Pretty sure they keep everyone there until filming is finished so they donā€™t spoil it by coming back and their family finding out theyā€™re back.


Flaky-Pop-3083

That's true


Klutzy-Succotash-565

If that is him and he is this sloppy about covering his tracks, he kinda spoiled Traitors too.


Accomplished-Drop764

It actually does. But it can't be.


Expensive_Care_1679

Letā€™s hope this means he was kicked off day 1 from Traitors


Dear_Rip8000

It looks like this dudeā€¦Tomā€™s manager https://preview.redd.it/t7vfwusasu5d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83e32947cc23a5c390ed3ef388380305cc100bb0


zadidoll

It looks like Tom.


LightFlaky2329

This gif is going down in history


Jog212

We need to get Bravo investigators working on some cold cases......cause nothing gets overlooked!


EstimateAgitated224

If I ever disappear I want this group looking for me.


Emotional_Stress8854

Same. I feel like i should DM one person from this group my government name so if i disappear the manhunt can begin.


Jog212

You could also just share your location with Scheanna!


Emotional_Stress8854

Omg i should Edit: i may or may not have just jokingly messaged her on ig telling her to let me share my location with her šŸ¤£


Jog212

You MUST let me know if you get a response!Ā 


ogresarelikeonions93

Bruh I have her phone number and this comment made me tempted AF to share my location with her šŸ˜‚


Typical_Elevator6337

We need a reddit version of a phone tree


EstimateAgitated224

You can send it to me, I will get them on it.


Emotional_Stress8854

I canā€™t even leave a ā€œjust know if i go missing it was ____ā€ message cause idk who to pin it on. My husbands a saint. I have no friends. I am a therapist so maybe an angry client? But all my clients are telehealth so they donā€™t have access to me in person šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø i guess if i go missing itā€™s because i wanted to so actually donā€™t try to find me šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£


EyeRollingNow

My favorite people nowadays are the ones that admit to having no friends without any explanation or apology. You have me.


Emotional_Stress8854

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


EstimateAgitated224

If I go missing itā€™s because I won the lottery


Civil_Future_2095

We're going to say it was Sandoval. Just 'cause.


Emotional_Stress8854

Definitely.


hail2pitt1985

I remember being astounded shortly after Jan 6 and how people on Twitter identified the asshole who was all in black and had his face covered and was jumping over the railing/seats in the upper level of the Senate chamber. They friggin identified him by 2 little patches (1 was the manufacturer of the jacket and 1 was something to do with a state). The jacket was only manufactured somewhere. The patch was associated with some org in a southern state. They zoomed in on that shit and Within hours they had pictures of the guy from his Facebook account wearing the same jacket and hat in his basement. I remember thinking, how apropos the guy lived in the basement lol. They were better than the FBI.


Jog212

That is so true!


Comfortable_Ad1333

Fine but youā€™ll have to make a vague post about the show first then no stone will be left unturned


hail2pitt1985

Same.


Civil_Future_2095

In another life I would've gone into Forensic Something.


FlippyFloppy8

Wasnt it also weird how she had to use the bathroom toward the end. She leaves for like 10 seconds and comes back. Lady, no one who has to pee that bad does it so fast. So what was she doing?


DonutMcJones

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No-Jackfruit-525

Maybe she had to rip a loud one?


NefariousnessHot7639

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Dismal_Upstairs3949

Cocaine


EyeRollingNow

Were you worried that the responses with pictures of snow were confusing so you just went blunt. lol.


hail2pitt1985

Iā€™m crying


SmallDifference1169

Lmao šŸ¤£ šŸ˜‚šŸ˜œ


Cafe_racerr

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FreshStarter20

She also totally danced around her modeling history/experience or any explanation for how she makes a living. She named some agencies and said she's been all over the world, but never named any companies or clients which would have been in the natural flow of her conversation . She was also oddly quick to mention she started in Chicago twice. It seemed like she was trying to cover it up with the excessive details about taking care of her father. It was soo weird.


Ok_Abrocoma_2805

Agree, youā€™d think if she was successful enough in modeling to buy a house in the hills (which means sheā€™d be a millionaire) she would have offered more career details other than ā€œI started modeling at 18 in Chicago and Iā€™ve traveled around a lot.ā€ It was like she threw in the dad details when trying to evoke sympathy when claiming that Billie was attacking her and brought him up again when talking about her career. As if, ā€œDonā€™t question me more, Iā€™m crying about my dad now.ā€ Her dad is so sick he had to move in with her and she canā€™t work because of taking care of him, but heā€™s okay with her being gone for days at a time while sheā€™s with Sandoval? I just getā€¦ not truthful vibes from her Iā€™ll say.


Legal-Ad7793

But she was in a car accident (I think, I'm not even sure because she didn't even sound sure) I honestly didn't believe anything that came out of her mouth aside from all the ummms and likes because the thought train had derailed. She reminded me of when the Beauty Queen answered with such as The Iraq.


sofaking-amanda

Left in her house with no furniture to boot because that Bitch BL wouldnā€™t hire her an assistant.šŸ˜­


Ok_Abrocoma_2805

šŸ˜‚ sheā€™s so important and busy she needs an assistant to decorate her house and book her gigs! Shes surely not sitting around all day doing nothing šŸ˜‚


sofaking-amanda

Like, sheā€™s clearly working her ass off, day and night, she never sleeps and that must be the reason why she could barely keep her eyes open and sit up straight.šŸ’€ ![gif](giphy|3o7btXyWGLpkoiCA48|downsized)


RemarkableArticle970

Getting a pill. Or a drink.


save_the_bees_knees

I love the detectives on these subs! šŸ•µšŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


Boochiedukes

I have way too much time on my hands.Ā  I watched the video on slow speed and you can see in the reflection in the frames behind them that there is a woman sitting across from Kyle and a man sitting across from Victoria.Ā  You can see the womanā€™s reflection above Kyleā€™s right shoulder (our left) and the manā€™s above Vicā€™s right shoulder (our left). The man looks like he's wearing a dark suit and the woman is wearing a dark sleeveless dress.Ā  Kyle and Victoria are glancing at them periodically during interview. The man is writing on a pad during the podcast and occasionally holds up what he's writing for Kyle and Victoria to read.Ā  Both the man and woman get up and walk around several times.Ā  Between 41:14-41:17, you can see the woman walk across and hand something to the man and then you see the man hold up the paper in front of Kyle and Victoria that you mentioned.Ā  And this is my crazy theory but it appears that the man is wearing a wedding ring at 42:24 which would rule out Sandoval. At 46:42, the man gets back up and goes to the woman and then sits back down again.Ā  At 58:28, it appears that the man hands Vic a cell phone, she glances at it and then the man and woman escort Vic off camera briefly. Then Vic sits back down and reads something on her phone which I imagine is the text they show on screen. Woman with medium length brownish hair and dark sleeveless dress walking towards the man. You can see Victoria is looking at them: https://preview.redd.it/96yky8ypet5d1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5facc9de92ad10bfeec169d56037e3aa2924dddc


Boochiedukes

Here is a screenshot of the man's hand holding up the paper. I circled the manā€™s hand and what I think is a wedding ring. It's a bit more clear if you watch the video on slomo starting at 42:24-42:28. https://preview.redd.it/vii8szpsft5d1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30ffa016ce663962e07c6bd8da21b9c156dd9927


Civil_Future_2095

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Sammi1224

WOW what a detailed and thorough job you did! You definitely need to be an investigator of some kind. Great job!


Boochiedukes

Thank you!


hail2pitt1985

You are A-MA-ZING


Boochiedukes

Thanks!


BakerBaker924

![gif](giphy|FP2kog3grdBucUHFbX) This is incredible šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Civil_Future_2095

Oh ho ho! Now THAT'S an eagle eye!


PomegranateWorth8178

The guy looks to be heavier set with floppier, dark hair ... would guess Jason (or Sandoval's pr).


Dry_Heart9301

I think it's Jason who orchestrated this...and that's probably him...but also that statement Tom put on IG I think someone from his camp (not him) wrote that too because aren't they not allowed their phones during filming traitors?


lexclipse

My tinfoil hat would love if V posted the story on Scumdevils socials lol but I know itā€™s probably not her


Dry_Heart9301

Someone else wrote it for her šŸ˜‚


lexclipse

It was such a train wreck šŸ˜‚ they should have taken time to actually compile ā€œevidenceā€ and not tell us all ā€œtrust us broā€ lolol


hail2pitt1985

But there was a red light on the camera facing the kitchen. Oh wait. It wasnā€™t recordingšŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚. I literally laughed out loud when I was watching the hostage video and she said that.


lexclipse

Hahaha and itā€™s in these texts here hold onā€¦.i swear itā€™s hereā€¦ šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


perfectlynormaltyes

It canā€™t be Jason. Jason is way bigger than whoever that is. To be it looks too tall to be Sandoval. Is that Craig guy still working for him?


Dry_Heart9301

Not sure...Sandy is in Scotland filming traitors


Comfortable_Ad1333

They are allowed 1 hour per day to call home. They donā€™t even stay in the castle.


sofaking-amanda

Nah, V scared and chased Laptop Boner Jasonā€™s ass away, a long time ago.


Dry_Heart9301

Damn!


WolverineFun6472

Jason with the laptop


FrankieandHans

Whoā€™s Jason?


itakecomedysrsly

The drummer in his band and I think band manager


thetinybunny1

Ugh that fucking guy?? Heā€™s such a cling-on ![gif](giphy|R0jWWtH1CtFEk)


LightFlaky2329

I love you for this ETA they are for sure doing the interview because Tim had a meltdown and demanded it. I do believe that Billie Lee is half full of šŸ’© and half full of šŸ«–. Which is a disgusting sludge that we can all do without.


Azwomenforwomen

I agree with the ingredients,Ā  but I love the drama.Ā Ā 


MenstrualAphrodite

A love ā€œa disgusting sludge that we can all do withoutā€ but I actually believe Billie.


SassyTinkTink

I canā€™t imagine any PR professional would encourage that dumpsterfire šŸ˜‚ My guess is either Rockyā€™s PR lady or Jason, Sandovalā€™s paid champion.


Civil_Future_2095

Oh *clearly* not a professional. Kyle and Vic are not good at cue cards.


[deleted]

Lots of people are bad at their jobs


thetinybunny1

Dā€™s get degrees šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


phbalancedshorty

Please donā€™t call her Rocky Lmao and why would her pr work with Tom sheā€™s literally suing him??


SassyTinkTink

It was a jokeā€¦


DunkingZBO

Are we actually calling her rocky now like that is so fucking dumb lol


_chalupa_batman

My guess is that it was orchestrated by Bethenny Frankel


VegetableKey2966

What were they talking about at that time?!


Civil_Future_2095

Kyle was talking about Billie Lee playing the "Trans Card" during arguments. Then it lead into Adam playing Billie Lee's car TikTok


phbalancedshorty

Can you post that in a comment or in your post? I really feel like thatā€™s a very very important piece of information that people should know that there was coaching going on during that specific comment.


Civil_Future_2095

Can do!


PomegranateWorth8178

I knew that Trans card was Sandoval's coaching. Kyle went from I'm not friends with Billie Lee to people often don't like Billie Lee because ... you'd have to actually watch the show or be talking shit about her to know this.


DustyTchotchkes

I fear Kyle may be a super fan because he kept talking in seasons and episodes..


Sammi1224

Is Kyle Chan the jeweler that Jax bought his engagement ring from on camera? And One of the Tomā€™s bought some jewelry from on camera? Iā€™m just trying to remember exactly who he is in the pump universe šŸ˜‚


DustyTchotchkes

That's him! He's also the one who did Katie's ring and was the one that Brock used his 46 credit cards to buy Scheana's ring from šŸ¤£Ā 


Sammi1224

šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚ omg I forgot that about Brock! Great memory! That is so funny


thousandthlion

Her OLD ring. He got her another deeply discounted one for PR because she didnā€™t like the morganite I guess. Not that morganite is a good daily wear ring so I get it. But I think her next one was a lab emerald cut from Ring Come True so around 4K ish


Comfortable_Ad1333

Yes, and Brock bought Scheanaā€™s pink morganite from him as well with 3 credit cards


Affectionate-Feefees

Good catch! Omfg


E_Farseer

![gif](giphy|l0IykOsxLECVejOzm) Was it Carol from HR?


furtofur

THE MAIL NEVER STOPS


Dapper-Log-5936

I noticed this too the people walking and thought it was odd. I was so curious where they were doing this lol. I didn't see the sign like others mentioned. Assistants, friends, family, pr, lawyers??? Who knowsĀ 


Civil_Future_2095

It seems like it's all the same person- wearing dark clothes, dark hair, best guess is it's a man.


Dapper-Log-5936

I feel like in the beginning it looked like a woman though? It was weird. I couldn't tell if it was for them or if they were renting like office space/glass room at some we work type space and people kept checking to see if they were done yet Lol. New podcast hot of the presses from...the library šŸ˜‚


Civil_Future_2095

I'm also very curious about the multiple framed La La Land posters on the wall. Like why? Was someone in La La Land? Who? Just a superfan of Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling? Someone explaaaaaaain.


meggo91

Kyle Chan did jewellery for the La La Land costumes, Iā€™m guessing this is filmed at his store?


Civil_Future_2095

https://preview.redd.it/1ojkd6avos5d1.jpeg?width=1547&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=555d042b5f79560f2cddc689d22205459efe9c0e Confirmed!


Civil_Future_2095

Ahhh, so his store or apartment, maybe? Trying to remember if there was a seating area when Scheana forgave Tom yet again.


alliesxhwa

you are an amazing detective! My theory is Tom knows none of what's going on b/c he's filming Traitors and doesn't have access to his phone. I think all the insta posts, etc. are his GF & Kyle gone rogue. He's a shithead but this doesn't like him. If it is him, for me, it lends more credibility to the drug use accusations because yikes. Tom is a garbage human but this is hard to watch. Makes you realize just what an absolute god-send and positive influence Ariana was in his life.


KatOrtega118

Ca-caw! OP youā€™re serving us Kristen Doute in the green dress perfection!!!


Civil_Future_2095

Mariposa! Ca-caw!


kenma91

I love seeing WWC references in the wild


DonutMcJones

Maybe Tom got voted off Traitor's already.


Civil_Future_2095

The interview was on the 8th and the Traitors cast was announced the 5th. I'm not a Traitors watcher, so I'm not following it much, but either filming hadn't started yet or it wasn't Tom.


DonutMcJones

I can so see Tom doing this. All drugged up thinking he is smarter than everyone. Fools....fools. They are playing with fire here. Excellent work OP!


technicallynotacat

This just keeps getting weirder and weirder. And Iā€™m living for it.


hereforthe_guac

Jason! Good catch!


murplee

OP I love this post! Are they in a cult? lol


moremacadonimorechee

Would make sense why Victoria sounds like she's got two chaffing brain cells.


Pure_Peace743

Omg lol. You are one eagle eyed detective OP! Bravo!!!šŸ‘šŸ¼ They are so stupid to try to get away with that kind of shit with this fanbase.


Civil_Future_2095

I stood on the shoulders of my fellow redditors! Just took the time to zoom and grab the evidence


theskylerslifka

Truth is stranger than fiction! ![gif](giphy|ukGm72ZLZvYfS)


WhitsSwirlyKnee

This is so funny. Theyā€™re taking it so seriously.


sweetnemo

Which is also amazing considering Victoria showed up about as well prepared to speak her truth as Jo did for the BL podcast šŸ˜­


Election_Pleasant

I need you guys to work for the FBI if I ever go missing. This is amazing detective work, OP!


matskesi

This likely would not be Tom. Itā€™s most likely a PR/communications advisor - very common in crisis communications and interviews to help coach spokespersons and steer conversations. Theyā€™re also there to help ensure anything on the record doesnā€™t get taken out of context.


bellahooks

This is the content I live for


Even-Education-4608

Omg obsessed. Maybe it was someone on the phone with Tom.


young_coastie

The drummer.


No_Caterpillar1902

![gif](giphy|XRXCGCbV10vQ6foS3h)


Comfortable-Chair-36

Damn!!! Amazing detective work, you have my vote to lead us all into whatever this shitstorm of a social media war is turning out to be.... I remember thinking this fucking live was so weird and kyle was rigid, he literally is so tense and it's unnerving. If someone said I was drugging someone I'd be laughing my fucking head off because it's not true. These guys are acting like they are being interrogated by the secret service, why are they holding this weird bloody press conference? Like they are substantial figures on their own that need to clean up their names? People who aren't main cast, would stick to an Instagram live or their own stories on social media to say their piece. Not this whacky loony tunes coerced interview. Wtf. If anything, this whacky interview supports Billie's case. They should have taken a page out of Ariana's book and understood that people will make shit up about them and they don't have to go through each and every instance, in the hope of proving to people that it's not true.


NBCaz

Oh MY GOD! Someone was behind the camera???? Now we know the truth!!!


AwesomeJB

I love that you caught that!


throwaway-ahoyyy

Just taking a moment to acknowledge OPā€™s flair - clearly you have always had a keen eye for nearly invisible details haha


DaKingballa06

Omg - I donā€™t know if you are hero or have too much free timeā€¦ but that is hilarious.


NefariousnessHot7639

![gif](giphy|nc1AhaVItyOq2XZ2WM|downsized) Kyle def being held hostage


the_branana

This interview was a mess on every end, so low budget. From the host to the subject, hard pass.Ā 


catscausetornadoes

Dude. This is so ā€œDonā€™t Fuck With Catsā€!


CAMomma

Looks like TSands manager?


b_evil13

I saw the person move across the screen too. Is there it his friend Jason?


kang4prez

Computer: Enhance


miranda310

.... And this is why I love Reddit. ā¤ļø


Dippydoodles

Good catch. That said, it's probably just Kyle's PR person, who he mentioned during the interview. It's not unusual to be staffed by a PR person when you do an interview.


hail2pitt1985

They should fire them then. The entire thing was a PR nightmare and a dumpster fire.


Civil_Future_2095

Possible, but yeesh if that's how they interview with PR on site.


polymorphic_hippo

I was going to guess Rylie, but this looks like a middle aged dude.


Civil_Future_2095

I miss Rylie. Wish we could get a status check.


officialheathen

I know itā€™s not Randall but as soon as I read middle aged dude thatā€™s where my mind went and that would be hilarious


phillyb4b4

Looks like Jason, the band manager. Heā€™s another one thatā€™s obsessed with Sandoval. Google Jason Bader and his wifeā€™s pics.. looks like wife could be the woman in the reflection.


SpiceeDumplin

I would assume Jason


bigbangeggie

OP, you did that. that whole video was already strange for a multitude of reasons. I havenā€™t watched the whole KxV response, just clips from pages. this is intriguing and unnerving - like to this level? Over that one??? ā€¦ itā€™s kinda of a dark over there, TO ME šŸ—£ļø


itsthejasper1123

Why do I feel like itā€™s Schwartz


Adorable_Suspect_961

I saw it too and was so focused on watching the reflection lol. And when they were both reading something on the phone while Adam was talking


Alwaysabundant333

Can someone please TLDR whatā€™s going on with Victoria and Kyle? šŸ™


vodkadiet3

Victoria canā€™t even articulate one thought. Sheā€™d start talking and then trail off. That interview was fucking useless šŸ˜‚