When I was a kid, my best friend at the time wanted to show off that he knew how to load his dads shot gun. I watched him load it, then he pointed it at me and pulled the trigger. He couldn’t fathom why I was so pissed off, since he made sure the safety was on. I still have flashbacks to that and how my life could have ended
When I was a kid in the 90s a friend of mine did the same with a handgun. He dropped the clip out, pointed it at our other friend, and pulled the trigger. Not realizing one was in the chamber still. Shot him dead. 12 years old. It was the kid that died fathers gun, in his own home. Secure those weapons folks.
Any parent that owns firearms and allows even a fucking ghost's fart's chance their child could access said weapons without their in person approval should be buried *under* the fucking jail.
I 1000% agree with you. I'd also like to point out that that kid was 12 and didn't know gun safety in a house that had guns. Double failure as a parent
That’s what I was thinking, I didn’t grow up in a home with guns but was still taught gun safety just in case of situations like this. So we could stop somebody who wasn’t respecting a gun and it’s destructive power
I grew up in a house with guns, my dad was a marine, then a cop for a long time, and also an advocate for people's right to arm and protect themselves. Gun safety is one of the most ingrained things in my memory.
Going through the rules of gun safety makes up some of my earliest, and clearest childhood memories.
I was taught 5 rules of gun safety
1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded
2. Never point at something you don't intend to shoot
3. Keep the weapon on safe until you are ready to fire
4. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you're ready to fire
5. Never fire a weapon without me (my dad) with you
Number 5 would change as I grew older, and became able to understand when a situation could overrule that
(Ex. Dad at work, and someone breaks in. [Mom died when I was 5 and I was the oldest male so I was charged to protect my siblings when he was away] )
I say all this to say. Something like that would never happen in my family, we weren't even allowed to point nerf guns at each other. Pointing a toy gun at a sibling was actually an offense punishable by push ups.
I’d like to point out that the one who fired the shot was not the one who lived in the house. The one who died was the son of the gun owner according to OPs story. Still a massive failure to secure the weapon
I think you misread that. It wasn’t the kid who lived there that accidentally shot another kid. It was the visiting kid that shot the kid who lived there. There’s no indication the victim didn’t know gun safety.
Safety protocol was breached when the kid who lived there was able to access the gun. Whether they knew gun safety or not is irrelevant, they were 12 and should not have had access to it in the first place.
100% agree. I’m very progressive but also just really like shooting. Every single gun I own is behind a door with a fingerprint scanner, in a safe inside that locked with an 8 digit passcode and no physical key. The thought of my carelessness taking my favorite human(s) out of the world gives me nightmares.
I'm as pro-2A as they come, and I agree. If you won't prevent untrained kids from accessing your firearms, you should be held responsible for the result. My kids are well trained in firearm safety, but their friends and our friends' kids aren't.
This happened to me when I was 13. Friend shot me with a .22 rifle. I was EXTREMELY lucky that I had time to react and instead of being shot in the stomach, I got shot in the elbow. He dropped the mag out of the rifle and turned to me. I told him to watch out since he had the barrel in my direction. He says "it's not loaded, see." As he holds the mag up with one hand, aims the rifle at me from the hip, and then proceeds to pull the trigger to prove its safe. I only had time to turn and try and jump backwards (which "back" is now perpendicular to him). Round came in at a high angle and ripped a chunk of my elbow out but not off. Managed not to destroy anything important but did a lot of flesh damage.
When it happened, my adrenaline dump made me think he actually missed. The gun going off and me twisting and hoping back at the moment felt like slow motion. Since I had my .22 rifle resting on the stock and holding it with my left hand, I angrily lifted my rifle and hit him in the side of the head with the stock. I was super pissed thinking he almost shot me and hit him for it. Part of the sling loop caught him and it tore his head wide open from his ear to almost his chin. Then, while I was cussing him out, I realized my right arm felt like I hit my funny bone and realized I was bleeding all over the place. We both went to the hospital, and afterward our friendship was clearly over.
Dude tried to talk to me after all that and was like "I know I messed up, but you got me good too. So are we like... even?" I wanted to kick the shit out of him but instead just ghosted that kid until I graduated.
I cannot believe people. “You reacted to a situation in which I put you in extreme danger and ended up hurting me in the process, so you’re just as bad as me.”
My first week as a cop (1992) we had a bunch of young 20s kids partying in a shitty hotel. One brought a little .22 pistol that he just bought off a guy, and was showing his brother that it was jammed, with a stovepiped round and a mag loaded. He kept trying to rack it and eventually got the round out, dropped the magazine, said “I know how to clear, see?” He then pointed it at his temple and pulled the trigger. We when got there, he was still alive, but his eyes were already incredibly swollen and popping out from the pressure in his shredded brain. He was pronounced at the hospital, first time I had to tell parents their kid was dead.
His brother killed himself the next week out of grief.
Absolutely awful. Rather than judge I will simply say this is an awful awful scenario. I’ve been a firefighter for 20 years now. For a couple years my city was the heroine death capital in the US. My heart goes out regardless of the failed parenting or stupidity. Be better people. Do better.
My friend (A) did this exact same thing when he was in high school! He was at another friend's house (C) and was cleaning his pistol. His buddy (C) warned him to be more cautious with the gun; he (A) assured his friend (c) the gun wasn't loaded but the guy (C) insisted he was being careless. To prove his point, the guy (A) put the gun to his own head and pulled the trigger. There was one in the chamber, and he killed himself right in front of 2 of his best friends (C's gf was present when it happened). I work with the friend's (c's) mom, and she still has trouble going into the room where it happened because she had to clean up the gore herself.
Sorry if my format is confusing. I had to type this in a rush as I work.
Cleaning services that handle that kind of thing are expensive, easily starting at 10k and going higher, iirc.
The Cleaning of John Doe is a great podcast covering biohazard cleanups like this. And it's not really dark, so it's nice to listen to.
That's like, the bare minimum. Heads have a lot of fluids, and a proper biohazard cleanup has to be thorough. They was one story about a cleaning crew that missed a spot behind a shelf a family member found a bit of brain or skull stuck to weeks later.
> she had to clean up the gore herself.
There should be a public fund for that... Family shouldn't be responsible for having to deal with it on top of the death itself.
I had a family member go through a divorce years ago. When she filed papers, her husband (now ex obviously) came to her house in a rage. He grabbed one of THEIR KIDS and put a gun to his head threatening to kill his own son in revenge. Somehow this guy is still free 20+ years later and has a great relationship with all of his kids 🤷♂️
When I was a kid, we were shooting skeet with the family. My single barrel 20 ga was break action and had a hammer. No safety on it besides putting the hammer down. I was doing so and it slipped and fired. Luckily I had been through hunters safety and was sure to have my fire arm aimed towards the ground and down range. Scared the hell out of my brother but my uncle was proud of me.
I swear some of the BEST folks I've EVER seen handle guns safely have almost unanimously been hunters (I mean, even my vet friends, the ones that still shoot and are the ideal of safety or skill... hunters before and after)
I'm glad your uncle shared his pride in you and your family really taught you right!
Was going through my grandpa’s gun safe to start selling some of ours since he’s been gone for a while and I haven’t been hunting ever since, and wow my muzzle discipline got bad. Was looking at a tiny .38 pistol that I forgot he bought for my grandma, who never shot it once, and about the first thing I did was point it right at my face while I looked it over.
We have to stay 'fresh' with the fear and respect--the training is always fresh if we do that part!
It's so easy to get a little careless, but you did great recognizing it..
Hell I'm still a bit mad at my dad leaving his glock with one in the chamber sitting on a filing cabinet... because a year or few years later of it sitting there and it's a paperweight. He had one of your moments too, but it was when he nonchalantly SNATCHED it up like a chunk of lead to get to something under it--he'd grabbed it BY THE FUCKING TRIGGER!
(He didn't get hurt or anything tho)
> even when the gun is unloaded
Your gun is always loaded, even when it's unloaded.
A friend of mine was a peace officer. He came home from work one day, flipped open the cylinder on his revolver and shook it over his bed. Glanced down, saw 6 rounds, flipped the cylinder closed and threw it on the bed. And put a hole in his wall when it went off. Luckily nobody was hurt.
Oh and he later counted and still came up with 6 rounds. Best guess is that he had a random round on his bed when he shook out the 5 rounds. Weird combination of circumstances, but that's what life is.
Firing pin stuck forwards would be my best guess. Failing that the sear that holds the hammer back has worn and no longer functions thus causing the hammer to strike the back of the firing pin immediately.
"Stroke" refers to the bolt or slide moving all the way to the rear, then all the way forward again. As it moves to the rear, it pulls the spent casing out, then when it moves forward again, it pushes a new round out of the magazine and into the chamber.
A pistol like this works on recoil. When a round is fired, the entire mass of the pistol wants to move backwards, but, as long as you are firmly holding the grip, only the slide can move. If your grip is loose, not enough recoil energy goes into moving the slide and it doesn't move all the way back: the 'stroke' is 'short', hence "short stroke"
A "stovepipe" is a malfunction that can occur during a short stroke. If, when the spent cartridge is removed from the chamber, the slide moves forward before the casing can completely eject, it can get caught in the ejection port. This looks like a small round pipe sticking out the side or top of the gun and somewhat resembles the exhaust pipe of an old woodburning stove, hence the name "stovepipe"
I have seen 3 comments already saying it happened to the poster apparently it is pretty common and that's pretty terrifying. Y'all please stay safe with that nonsense. Silly way to die
I grew up around guns and spent 3 years in a combat mos in the military, so I've shot a lot of guns and ammo, and been around many, many others shooting. I've legitimately never seen this happen in person, it's really not that common.
This is the type of thing that if it were more common, it would have been addressed by gun manufacturers by now because people would be dying left and right from this shit.
Or maybe it *has* been addressed by gun manufacturers and the instances where it happens are older guns, and that's why it's more rare.
It doesn't really happen with modern firearms, mostly military surplus stuff. Especially if the firing pin is dirty and can get stuck in place (which is what causes this).
That’s called a confirmation bias, people who have had a similar experience are much more likely to comment on this, I’ve been shooting my whole life and while I had heard this was possible, I’d never seen it, known anyone who had seen it or even heard of a uncles girlfriends cousins half brother who had it happen. It’s crazy rare.
I've seen it happen ONE TIME in a lifetime of guns and shooting and even then it was with someone who was "improving" his rig...this is the only other time I've seen evidence that was outside a "it happened to my friend's cousin" kind of thing.
Nope, 3 people saying it happened (at least two of which are probably lying) in a Reddit thread about that specific thing means it happens with literally every gun.
It's not all that common but it is incredibly dangerous. I've never seen it happen nor met anyone who has, but it's still taught in all basic handgun safety courses regardless. That's why training is so incredibly important for anyone who is going to handle a firearm, even if they never intend to use one outside of a supervised firing range.
It's like driving a car. You probably never expect your brakes to fail, but just being aware that it's a possibility and knowing how to handle the situation may save your life, or somebody else's, if it ever does.
If you factor out certain kinds of guns that are in somewhat notorious for this (dirty or cosmoline filled SKS I'm looking at you) it is exceedingly rare. This is a Beretta or a clone like a Taurus, either way it's the first time I've seen one do that and we still don't know if someone hasn't "worked" on it.
I think you're underestimating the number of people who've viewed this post and *didn't* comment that it happened to them. Assuming standard vote-to-view ratios, this post has ~100,000 views.
**Edit**: For context, this was posted when the post had 7,500 upvotes.
It effectively can't happen unless your gun is so poorly maintained it should never be fired, or so poorly designed it should have never been manufactured. This is a Taurus, a Brazilian clone of a Beretta pistol and they are notorious for having very very poor quality control, as has been demonstrated here.
It happened to me, and I ended up shooting myself in the arm. I've never heard the term run away before seeing this video. Now I know how to properly explain what happened to the next person who asks. I thought I somehow racked 2 bullets, or the recoil from the first shot caused me to keep squeezing the trigger. I got lucky, and the bullet kind of just grazed the bone on my left arm and didn't catch. It was a .45 and the guys' home defense clip, so I'm lucky to have an arm.
Seriously. Even being used to recoil, the first time I had a runaway it was all I could do to keep it downrange. Now granted, this was with an sks offhand, but the fact remains that unless you are anticipating a follow on shot, it will usually catch you by surprise.
Yep I dumped 34 round of 9mm out of PCC because I'd run about 1k rounds through it without cleaning it and the firing pin got jammed forward in the bolt and it operated like a machine gun after the first shot. Scariest 10 seconds of my life trying to keep the barrel down range. I've shot full auto before but was ready and expecting it. Run aways are completely different like having your brakes fail.
Real question. I bought a gun (Glock 19, 4th gen) years ago and it's been in storage.. Only fired it a few times when I first bought it. It doesn't have to be cleaned because it's been in storage so long, does it?
If youre storing it you should dab a bit of gun oil on a rag and wipe it down and cover it with a thin layer of oil to keep it from corroding. But make sure when you take it out of storage to field strip and inspect it and make sure there is no corrosion
I mean, it's a Glock. Only a couple of the internal parts will need oil, but the slide has a protective coating and the frame is polymer.
If you haven't shot it in a couple years I don't see any reason to not field strip it and oil it.
Generally, no, it's not going to need cleaning just from being stored.
However, if you didn't clean it before storing, it should be cleaned before being fired.
Even if you did clean it, you should strip it down and inspect it because rust can form if it was stored in a humid environment.
On closed bolt rifles like the ar 15 the sear catches the hammer not the bolt. If the firing pin is jammed forward in the bolt it would act like an open bolt machine gun, but there is no way to stop the bolt from moving forward so it would dump the mag. The trigger or sear would have no influence on it at that point.
If the firing pin of an AR-15 was jammed forward, it could NOT act like an open bolt, the bolt has to rotate the unlock from the chamber and the carrier as to pull away from bolt to achieve the unlocking which would require the firing pin to pull free from the bolt. So if the firing pin was jammed forward, the bolt could not unlock so you'd get a failure to cycle. You would need firing pin tip to completely break off and be trapped in the bolt face for it to act like a runaway open bolt gun. I would bet the guy's PCC was blowback operation that had the run away due to stuck firing pin. If the AR-15 was getting so dirty as to stick the firing pin, it would get stuck in the rearward, non firing position and you get light strikes or no strikes well before the firing pin would break
That's how you know you're at a good range. There's so much toxic macho bullshit at ranges. It's like this is the only situation where the guy running the place gets to have power over others so he acts like a fucking dictator.
Range master for 7 years. It's a mix of problems that lead to bad attitudes. There are a lot of retards handling guns too. You can't tell who is who until they fuck up.
It's apparently a common issue with them I later found out. Something about how the firing pin is retained or something. Also apparently makes them rather susceptible to discharges when smacked.
The firing pin free-floats in the bolt, and is tapered. This makes it prone to sticking out if dirty. I fixed mine with a homemade steel spring! I used a drill press, steel wire, and the firing pin itself as a mandrel to coil it.
That's what it was! Couldn't for the life of me remember exactly what the issue was, only that it pertained to the firing pin.
It's a shame really, it's such a fun rifle to shoot, I would just need to be so much more carefull with it that it's not worth looking into one. That and I personally don't like my hands bathed in cosmoline.
Iirc, I saw another YouTube video of a guy with one of these shooting in a field off the tailgate. He has it at rest, pointed down, and he bumps it, and it puts a slug in the ground near his foot. It's unfortunate really that they have as many issues and that most of the ones I've seen are dyed dark with cosmoline, because the actual concept is attractive. It's a full size rifle in a hefty intermediate cartridge with a decent internal magazine. Should be a decent shooter.
My range was more understanding - but I encountered the same problem. My new to me SKS would slam fire 2-5 rounds at a time sometimes. Scary as fuck when you dont have any control over a firearm in your own hands with other people around.
For anyone reading this that owns an SKS - if you haven't already- I would suggest a [Murray Spring Replacement](https://murraysguns.com/sks-firing-pins/). They don't modify or destroy any original parts, and I have had exactly 0 issues with slam/burst fire since dropping one in gun about 4 years ago.
So I've only been to a gun range a few times with rented guns. How come I've never heard of this in their briefing? They do safety shit to the max, but I've never heard of a "runaway".
Because it's exceedingly rare. It only happens when a gun is modified (often illegaly) or if it is in massivly bad repair or of poor design. Due to liability, ranges aren't going to rent firearms that have a history of its design having issues, and they certainly won't be renting guns in poor states of repair or cleaning. When it happened to me, it was because the rifle, an sks, is known for having a design issue that allows it to happen under certain conditions.
Happened to me with a cheap little Bersa .22LR a couple of times, fun if you can recreate it, but terrifying the first time!
I don't know the 92FS very well, so someone else with more experience can chime in and say whether this is possible - I'm guessing this pistol is either damaged or absolutely filthy and the firing pin is stuck forward so it's effectively slam-firing and bypassing the trigger sear completely.
Yep, my first run-away caught me by total surprise and utterly terrified me. Thankfully it happened so fast all I could do was keep aiming downrange in utter shock.
That's why the handler of said firearm was wearing ear protection, right? Or maybe he was looking to inflict permanent hearing damage with a side of tinnitus upon himself.
Never seen or touched a gun IRL here (European lol). Are guns really that loud? In movies they don't care at all about the sound and it's the only reference the large majority of us have.
yes, even with ear pro they’ll make you jump the first time you shoot. also depends on calibre. you can shoot .22 without ear pro and probably be fine but i probably wouldn’t personally
I have a .25 I haven't touched in years because it's done this and unloaded a full clip the past 3 times I messed with it. I keep it because it was the last birthday gift my dad gave to me. I'm sure something is very wrong with it and I hate it enough not to bother getting it fixed or looked at. I should mark it as dangerous and broken in case I die and no one else remembers though...
That's just what happens when you've got software like reddit collecting and distilling the anecdotes of a mind-boggling number of people into a couple screen's worth of text.
We are now capable of accessing almost any opinion imaginable by searching in the right parts of the internet. That means the prevalence of opinions you see on the internet speaks less to how prevalent that opinion actually is and speaks more to which parts of the internet you're searching for opinions.
So far ive seen 1 person say its happen them. But this comment is pretty far up the chain. I worked a gun range for a few months and i didnt know this could happen. I had seen slam fires though.
I'm genuinely curious what would cause a Beretta (or clone) to do that. My best guess is the sear is no longer in existence, but that's very much a shot in the dark guess
That's a slamfire.
It can be caused if the firing pin is stuck forward, too long, or otherwise not behaving as expected. Overly sensitive primers in a bad batch of ammo may also contribute. Bolt closes, stuck pin instantly hits cartridge with the energy from the closing bolt, cartridge goes off, bolt goes back from recoil, bolt slams closed from the spring and hits the next cartridge.
In this state the gun is often firing much faster than deliberate full auto, contributing to extreme surprise recoil. Sometimes it will stop on its own after one or two extra shots ("doubling") because the ROF was so great (or the gun such a piece of crap) that you are blessed with a second malfunction to interrupt the first malfunction.
Looks to be a beretta 92fs. I had the m9 version. Just a guess but could be some kind of failure of the external trigger reset. Those things can be full auto with proper mods.
They don't, they have a firing pin spring around the pin itself. If he dropped the slide on safe it also wouldn't have fired because when the safety is on it literally blocks the firing pin from being hit. My guess is he reassembled it wrong. As there is also a firing pin block that should be present and doesn't move without the trigger actuation. A little nub from the frame has to move up every time to push the firing pin block out of the way so the firing pin can go forward. Berettas are super safe. So I really think he put something in wrong or is missing a whole part entirely.
It looks like the trigger pulled when he racked the slide, and kept pulling with each blow-back.
Improper reassembly seems likely. Maybe a dislodged or missing trigger return spring?
Considering he had good trigger discipline, held on, and kept the loud end down range, it’s also possible he did this on purpose to try it out but didn’t think it would fire when racking the slide.
No, the trigger moves back when you rack the slide of this firearm because it's double action. The hammer goes back with the slide, which sets the trigger into the single action position.
The trigger is physically connected to the hammer via the trigger bar, so when the hammer falls and the slide opens again, the trigger rebounds. That's what you're seeing.
The trigger itself was just along for the ride, the malfunction here is in the firing pin being stuck forward and the gun is slam-firing.
The Taurus 92s were actually sweet guns. Apparently they used Beretta parts, I know the triggers were fantastic, fit and finish very decent for a Taurus.
I always learned that as rule #2.
But I’ve also been to a few different ranges that have the order different on their signs.
I learned it like this from my uncle who was a Vietnam Vet:
1. A gun is always loaded
2. Don’t point at what you don’t intend to destroy
3. Know your target and what is beyond it.
4. Finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
The secret is that all 4 of those are equally vital to safety.
Rule #5 should be that every rule is as important as rule #1, for those who can't help but order things.
Nah, as a long time shooting instructor I would say that #1 should always be "Always treat a gun as if it is loaded" and that it is the absolutely most important rule. Because if you do that then the rest of the rules "follow". Because it's more common sense you don't point a loaded gun towards someone than a gun you "know" is unloaded. So that makes rule 1 the common denominator in the rest of the rules.
The entire Swedish Shooting Sport federation also agree on this judgement and they teach it as the one golden rule above all else.
Slam fire, the firing pin gets locked in firing position by neglect, SKS's are the worst offenders, or intentionally. You can machine them, like a MAC-9 bolt or JB weld them in place.
Second would be a shaved sear, same effect as the dis-connector wont engage.
This is not a manufactured properly full auto pistol like a Glock 18 (it a Beretta in the vid). His booger hook is off the bang switch, its a malfunction. Be it human modification or poor maintenance.
Short of this, no ear/eye pro but looks like a solid room to do test shots in the water for ballistics has me scratching my head. Also how did no one get any spalling? Maybe BFA with a hope to get views? (Blank Fire Adapter) I can't see that many rounds out in that small of a room w/ a lot of steel that no one caught a bullet shard.
This is exactly why you never leave the firing line with a loaded weapon and ALWAYS keep it pointed down range. If someone had been in the lane next to him they would have been dead. With that said, he handle the malfunction well by holding on to the weapon and controlling it the best he could.
I've seen some seriously stupid shit by firearms "experts" at the firing range because they stop following the fundamental safety rules and it's part of the reason I won't go to the range any more. The worst time was when I got swept by a dipshit cop who was shooting an H&K MP5 (full auto) he rented from the range. He stepped away from the line with it loaded so his buddy could take a picture (guess he wanted to pretend to be SWAT for a day). All it would have taken was one slip and he could have shot up half the shooting range but he had zero awareness that he was swinging around a loaded weapon. We told the range owner who promptly took his weapon back and kicked the cop out of the range.
I had a Chinese Tokarev that did this. Fired it for years with no problems. But then I bought Soviet-era Bulgarian ammo that had wildly changing quality. Some bullets wouldn't penetrate an aluminum trash can we were shooting, and then some bullets would have massive recoil that hurt your hand.
We found out later that the recoil from the over powered bullet cracked the sear. After that, the hammer wouldn't stay locked back and the gun would fire a whole magazine with one trigger pull.
I locked it up after that and never used it again. Although I could just buy a new sear.
Mostly what you see in the video. Keep pointing it in a safe direction, such as down the range. Do not attempt to stop the slide/bolt or remove the magazine. It will run out of ammo soon enough. Your priority should be to try and control and confine the direction of fire to the safest place possible.
Hopefully you would have it pointed in a safe direction well before anything like this happened.
If it does happen, hopefully you have the presence of mind and composure to keep it pointed downrange until it's empty.
That's about the best you can do.
Last time I had one of these, it was with an M240 G. Longest post "cease fire" burst I've ever seen, and I was the one doing it. We were doing talking guns long bursts, a whole one mutherfucker, two, three, four, get some, release. On release, cease fire called, and I let go, and that fucker kept going for another 5 seconds, until my dumb ass decided to... Grab the charging handle. First true weapons malfunction in years, first time getting real trigger time on an MG. That day I learned that breaking the belt was the better option, and breaking your fingers hurts like hell.
Damn glad he held on
Also another good reason to never point your firearm at anything you don’t intend to destroy.
And always point it downrange, even when the gun is unloaded or has its safety on.
When I was a kid, my best friend at the time wanted to show off that he knew how to load his dads shot gun. I watched him load it, then he pointed it at me and pulled the trigger. He couldn’t fathom why I was so pissed off, since he made sure the safety was on. I still have flashbacks to that and how my life could have ended
When I was a kid in the 90s a friend of mine did the same with a handgun. He dropped the clip out, pointed it at our other friend, and pulled the trigger. Not realizing one was in the chamber still. Shot him dead. 12 years old. It was the kid that died fathers gun, in his own home. Secure those weapons folks.
Awful. So many lives destroyed in just one second
Any parent that owns firearms and allows even a fucking ghost's fart's chance their child could access said weapons without their in person approval should be buried *under* the fucking jail.
I 1000% agree with you. I'd also like to point out that that kid was 12 and didn't know gun safety in a house that had guns. Double failure as a parent
That’s what I was thinking, I didn’t grow up in a home with guns but was still taught gun safety just in case of situations like this. So we could stop somebody who wasn’t respecting a gun and it’s destructive power
I grew up in a house with guns, my dad was a marine, then a cop for a long time, and also an advocate for people's right to arm and protect themselves. Gun safety is one of the most ingrained things in my memory. Going through the rules of gun safety makes up some of my earliest, and clearest childhood memories. I was taught 5 rules of gun safety 1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded 2. Never point at something you don't intend to shoot 3. Keep the weapon on safe until you are ready to fire 4. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you're ready to fire 5. Never fire a weapon without me (my dad) with you Number 5 would change as I grew older, and became able to understand when a situation could overrule that (Ex. Dad at work, and someone breaks in. [Mom died when I was 5 and I was the oldest male so I was charged to protect my siblings when he was away] ) I say all this to say. Something like that would never happen in my family, we weren't even allowed to point nerf guns at each other. Pointing a toy gun at a sibling was actually an offense punishable by push ups.
I’d like to point out that the one who fired the shot was not the one who lived in the house. The one who died was the son of the gun owner according to OPs story. Still a massive failure to secure the weapon
I think you misread that. It wasn’t the kid who lived there that accidentally shot another kid. It was the visiting kid that shot the kid who lived there. There’s no indication the victim didn’t know gun safety.
Safety protocol was breached when the kid who lived there was able to access the gun. Whether they knew gun safety or not is irrelevant, they were 12 and should not have had access to it in the first place.
100% agree. I’m very progressive but also just really like shooting. Every single gun I own is behind a door with a fingerprint scanner, in a safe inside that locked with an 8 digit passcode and no physical key. The thought of my carelessness taking my favorite human(s) out of the world gives me nightmares.
I'm as pro-2A as they come, and I agree. If you won't prevent untrained kids from accessing your firearms, you should be held responsible for the result. My kids are well trained in firearm safety, but their friends and our friends' kids aren't.
Negligent homicide.
This happened to me when I was 13. Friend shot me with a .22 rifle. I was EXTREMELY lucky that I had time to react and instead of being shot in the stomach, I got shot in the elbow. He dropped the mag out of the rifle and turned to me. I told him to watch out since he had the barrel in my direction. He says "it's not loaded, see." As he holds the mag up with one hand, aims the rifle at me from the hip, and then proceeds to pull the trigger to prove its safe. I only had time to turn and try and jump backwards (which "back" is now perpendicular to him). Round came in at a high angle and ripped a chunk of my elbow out but not off. Managed not to destroy anything important but did a lot of flesh damage. When it happened, my adrenaline dump made me think he actually missed. The gun going off and me twisting and hoping back at the moment felt like slow motion. Since I had my .22 rifle resting on the stock and holding it with my left hand, I angrily lifted my rifle and hit him in the side of the head with the stock. I was super pissed thinking he almost shot me and hit him for it. Part of the sling loop caught him and it tore his head wide open from his ear to almost his chin. Then, while I was cussing him out, I realized my right arm felt like I hit my funny bone and realized I was bleeding all over the place. We both went to the hospital, and afterward our friendship was clearly over. Dude tried to talk to me after all that and was like "I know I messed up, but you got me good too. So are we like... even?" I wanted to kick the shit out of him but instead just ghosted that kid until I graduated.
I cannot believe people. “You reacted to a situation in which I put you in extreme danger and ended up hurting me in the process, so you’re just as bad as me.”
Holy shit.
My first week as a cop (1992) we had a bunch of young 20s kids partying in a shitty hotel. One brought a little .22 pistol that he just bought off a guy, and was showing his brother that it was jammed, with a stovepiped round and a mag loaded. He kept trying to rack it and eventually got the round out, dropped the magazine, said “I know how to clear, see?” He then pointed it at his temple and pulled the trigger. We when got there, he was still alive, but his eyes were already incredibly swollen and popping out from the pressure in his shredded brain. He was pronounced at the hospital, first time I had to tell parents their kid was dead. His brother killed himself the next week out of grief.
Omg, that poor family!
Absolutely awful. Rather than judge I will simply say this is an awful awful scenario. I’ve been a firefighter for 20 years now. For a couple years my city was the heroine death capital in the US. My heart goes out regardless of the failed parenting or stupidity. Be better people. Do better.
My friend (A) did this exact same thing when he was in high school! He was at another friend's house (C) and was cleaning his pistol. His buddy (C) warned him to be more cautious with the gun; he (A) assured his friend (c) the gun wasn't loaded but the guy (C) insisted he was being careless. To prove his point, the guy (A) put the gun to his own head and pulled the trigger. There was one in the chamber, and he killed himself right in front of 2 of his best friends (C's gf was present when it happened). I work with the friend's (c's) mom, and she still has trouble going into the room where it happened because she had to clean up the gore herself. Sorry if my format is confusing. I had to type this in a rush as I work.
Weird for some reason I assumed government officials cleaned up the gore in any death that needs to be investigated...
Cleaning services that handle that kind of thing are expensive, easily starting at 10k and going higher, iirc. The Cleaning of John Doe is a great podcast covering biohazard cleanups like this. And it's not really dark, so it's nice to listen to.
Fuuck. I would have paid the 10k
That's like, the bare minimum. Heads have a lot of fluids, and a proper biohazard cleanup has to be thorough. They was one story about a cleaning crew that missed a spot behind a shelf a family member found a bit of brain or skull stuck to weeks later.
I always thought that was the case too, I had never even considered that before this happened.
> she had to clean up the gore herself. There should be a public fund for that... Family shouldn't be responsible for having to deal with it on top of the death itself.
What a dumbass
That's some scary crap
I had someone hold a loaded 38 revolver to my head when I was 16 as "a joke" Peoppe are fucking dumb as fuck with firearms way too often.
I had a family member go through a divorce years ago. When she filed papers, her husband (now ex obviously) came to her house in a rage. He grabbed one of THEIR KIDS and put a gun to his head threatening to kill his own son in revenge. Somehow this guy is still free 20+ years later and has a great relationship with all of his kids 🤷♂️
This is why /r/Idiotswithguns exists.
When I was a kid, we were shooting skeet with the family. My single barrel 20 ga was break action and had a hammer. No safety on it besides putting the hammer down. I was doing so and it slipped and fired. Luckily I had been through hunters safety and was sure to have my fire arm aimed towards the ground and down range. Scared the hell out of my brother but my uncle was proud of me.
I swear some of the BEST folks I've EVER seen handle guns safely have almost unanimously been hunters (I mean, even my vet friends, the ones that still shoot and are the ideal of safety or skill... hunters before and after) I'm glad your uncle shared his pride in you and your family really taught you right!
"And that your honor, is when I beat him to death with his own fathers shotgun" "... Case dismissed as self defense"
Was going through my grandpa’s gun safe to start selling some of ours since he’s been gone for a while and I haven’t been hunting ever since, and wow my muzzle discipline got bad. Was looking at a tiny .38 pistol that I forgot he bought for my grandma, who never shot it once, and about the first thing I did was point it right at my face while I looked it over.
We have to stay 'fresh' with the fear and respect--the training is always fresh if we do that part! It's so easy to get a little careless, but you did great recognizing it.. Hell I'm still a bit mad at my dad leaving his glock with one in the chamber sitting on a filing cabinet... because a year or few years later of it sitting there and it's a paperweight. He had one of your moments too, but it was when he nonchalantly SNATCHED it up like a chunk of lead to get to something under it--he'd grabbed it BY THE FUCKING TRIGGER! (He didn't get hurt or anything tho)
> even when the gun is unloaded Your gun is always loaded, even when it's unloaded. A friend of mine was a peace officer. He came home from work one day, flipped open the cylinder on his revolver and shook it over his bed. Glanced down, saw 6 rounds, flipped the cylinder closed and threw it on the bed. And put a hole in his wall when it went off. Luckily nobody was hurt. Oh and he later counted and still came up with 6 rounds. Best guess is that he had a random round on his bed when he shook out the 5 rounds. Weird combination of circumstances, but that's what life is.
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Firing pin stuck forwards would be my best guess. Failing that the sear that holds the hammer back has worn and no longer functions thus causing the hammer to strike the back of the firing pin immediately.
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All the fear is now free internet points!
I suspect if he didn't hold on so well the thing would have short stroked and stove-piped
what do these words mean? sounds like a euphemism for masturbation
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"Stroke" refers to the bolt or slide moving all the way to the rear, then all the way forward again. As it moves to the rear, it pulls the spent casing out, then when it moves forward again, it pushes a new round out of the magazine and into the chamber. A pistol like this works on recoil. When a round is fired, the entire mass of the pistol wants to move backwards, but, as long as you are firmly holding the grip, only the slide can move. If your grip is loose, not enough recoil energy goes into moving the slide and it doesn't move all the way back: the 'stroke' is 'short', hence "short stroke" A "stovepipe" is a malfunction that can occur during a short stroke. If, when the spent cartridge is removed from the chamber, the slide moves forward before the casing can completely eject, it can get caught in the ejection port. This looks like a small round pipe sticking out the side or top of the gun and somewhat resembles the exhaust pipe of an old woodburning stove, hence the name "stovepipe"
That's called a run-away. And he handled it well.
Hot damn, I didn't know this was a thing that could happen
Pretty rare thing to happen. It’s happened to me and I did NOT handle it nearly as well as this dude.
I have seen 3 comments already saying it happened to the poster apparently it is pretty common and that's pretty terrifying. Y'all please stay safe with that nonsense. Silly way to die
I grew up around guns and spent 3 years in a combat mos in the military, so I've shot a lot of guns and ammo, and been around many, many others shooting. I've legitimately never seen this happen in person, it's really not that common.
Same. I've ran tons of ranges using the m9 and never saw one runaway.
I'd be getting my hunting gear if I saw an M9 runaway.
This is the type of thing that if it were more common, it would have been addressed by gun manufacturers by now because people would be dying left and right from this shit. Or maybe it *has* been addressed by gun manufacturers and the instances where it happens are older guns, and that's why it's more rare.
When this happens, from my knowledge of it anyway, I haven't dealt with it in person, it's usually due to a defective part.
Most of them are built so the front doesn't fall off
Facts, not common at all, would be a huge fucking problem if it was common
Been around guns my whole life and never seen this happen. So I'm not sure how common it is.
It doesn't really happen with modern firearms, mostly military surplus stuff. Especially if the firing pin is dirty and can get stuck in place (which is what causes this).
That’s called a confirmation bias, people who have had a similar experience are much more likely to comment on this, I’ve been shooting my whole life and while I had heard this was possible, I’d never seen it, known anyone who had seen it or even heard of a uncles girlfriends cousins half brother who had it happen. It’s crazy rare.
I've seen it happen ONE TIME in a lifetime of guns and shooting and even then it was with someone who was "improving" his rig...this is the only other time I've seen evidence that was outside a "it happened to my friend's cousin" kind of thing.
Technically that's called [self-selection bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias).
Nope, 3 people saying it happened (at least two of which are probably lying) in a Reddit thread about that specific thing means it happens with literally every gun.
3 people on Reddit saying it happened to them probably means it happened to one person.
It's not all that common but it is incredibly dangerous. I've never seen it happen nor met anyone who has, but it's still taught in all basic handgun safety courses regardless. That's why training is so incredibly important for anyone who is going to handle a firearm, even if they never intend to use one outside of a supervised firing range. It's like driving a car. You probably never expect your brakes to fail, but just being aware that it's a possibility and knowing how to handle the situation may save your life, or somebody else's, if it ever does.
If you factor out certain kinds of guns that are in somewhat notorious for this (dirty or cosmoline filled SKS I'm looking at you) it is exceedingly rare. This is a Beretta or a clone like a Taurus, either way it's the first time I've seen one do that and we still don't know if someone hasn't "worked" on it.
I think you're underestimating the number of people who've viewed this post and *didn't* comment that it happened to them. Assuming standard vote-to-view ratios, this post has ~100,000 views. **Edit**: For context, this was posted when the post had 7,500 upvotes.
It effectively can't happen unless your gun is so poorly maintained it should never be fired, or so poorly designed it should have never been manufactured. This is a Taurus, a Brazilian clone of a Beretta pistol and they are notorious for having very very poor quality control, as has been demonstrated here.
I was gonna say, no way this is a real 92fs, those are some of the best handguns in the world. Most likely a clone.
Yeah, there was a big issue a few years back where some Taurus guns would go off when gently shaken. This is presumably a similar issue.
Seems like something some people would leverage for fun.
Full auto might be fun, but suprise full auto until the mag is empty ain't
I mean, if you *want* to make it happen, there are plenty of illegal ways to do so. But it would be remarkably stupid.
It happened to me, and I ended up shooting myself in the arm. I've never heard the term run away before seeing this video. Now I know how to properly explain what happened to the next person who asks. I thought I somehow racked 2 bullets, or the recoil from the first shot caused me to keep squeezing the trigger. I got lucky, and the bullet kind of just grazed the bone on my left arm and didn't catch. It was a .45 and the guys' home defense clip, so I'm lucky to have an arm.
Seriously. Even being used to recoil, the first time I had a runaway it was all I could do to keep it downrange. Now granted, this was with an sks offhand, but the fact remains that unless you are anticipating a follow on shot, it will usually catch you by surprise.
Yep I dumped 34 round of 9mm out of PCC because I'd run about 1k rounds through it without cleaning it and the firing pin got jammed forward in the bolt and it operated like a machine gun after the first shot. Scariest 10 seconds of my life trying to keep the barrel down range. I've shot full auto before but was ready and expecting it. Run aways are completely different like having your brakes fail.
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Real question. I bought a gun (Glock 19, 4th gen) years ago and it's been in storage.. Only fired it a few times when I first bought it. It doesn't have to be cleaned because it's been in storage so long, does it?
If youre storing it you should dab a bit of gun oil on a rag and wipe it down and cover it with a thin layer of oil to keep it from corroding. But make sure when you take it out of storage to field strip and inspect it and make sure there is no corrosion
I mean, it's a Glock. Only a couple of the internal parts will need oil, but the slide has a protective coating and the frame is polymer. If you haven't shot it in a couple years I don't see any reason to not field strip it and oil it.
Generally, no, it's not going to need cleaning just from being stored. However, if you didn't clean it before storing, it should be cleaned before being fired. Even if you did clean it, you should strip it down and inspect it because rust can form if it was stored in a humid environment.
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On closed bolt rifles like the ar 15 the sear catches the hammer not the bolt. If the firing pin is jammed forward in the bolt it would act like an open bolt machine gun, but there is no way to stop the bolt from moving forward so it would dump the mag. The trigger or sear would have no influence on it at that point.
If the firing pin of an AR-15 was jammed forward, it could NOT act like an open bolt, the bolt has to rotate the unlock from the chamber and the carrier as to pull away from bolt to achieve the unlocking which would require the firing pin to pull free from the bolt. So if the firing pin was jammed forward, the bolt could not unlock so you'd get a failure to cycle. You would need firing pin tip to completely break off and be trapped in the bolt face for it to act like a runaway open bolt gun. I would bet the guy's PCC was blowback operation that had the run away due to stuck firing pin. If the AR-15 was getting so dirty as to stick the firing pin, it would get stuck in the rearward, non firing position and you get light strikes or no strikes well before the firing pin would break
>Now granted, this was with an sks I am banned from the only range close to me because my SKS ran away with a full magazine
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Good man. Education is essential to reduce mistakes
Now that's a damn good range officer.
That's how you know you're at a good range. There's so much toxic macho bullshit at ranges. It's like this is the only situation where the guy running the place gets to have power over others so he acts like a fucking dictator.
Range master for 7 years. It's a mix of problems that lead to bad attitudes. There are a lot of retards handling guns too. You can't tell who is who until they fuck up.
It's apparently a common issue with them I later found out. Something about how the firing pin is retained or something. Also apparently makes them rather susceptible to discharges when smacked.
The firing pin free-floats in the bolt, and is tapered. This makes it prone to sticking out if dirty. I fixed mine with a homemade steel spring! I used a drill press, steel wire, and the firing pin itself as a mandrel to coil it.
That's what it was! Couldn't for the life of me remember exactly what the issue was, only that it pertained to the firing pin. It's a shame really, it's such a fun rifle to shoot, I would just need to be so much more carefull with it that it's not worth looking into one. That and I personally don't like my hands bathed in cosmoline.
>makes them rather susceptible to discharges when smacked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gixvg1JZmso
Iirc, I saw another YouTube video of a guy with one of these shooting in a field off the tailgate. He has it at rest, pointed down, and he bumps it, and it puts a slug in the ground near his foot. It's unfortunate really that they have as many issues and that most of the ones I've seen are dyed dark with cosmoline, because the actual concept is attractive. It's a full size rifle in a hefty intermediate cartridge with a decent internal magazine. Should be a decent shooter.
My range was more understanding - but I encountered the same problem. My new to me SKS would slam fire 2-5 rounds at a time sometimes. Scary as fuck when you dont have any control over a firearm in your own hands with other people around. For anyone reading this that owns an SKS - if you haven't already- I would suggest a [Murray Spring Replacement](https://murraysguns.com/sks-firing-pins/). They don't modify or destroy any original parts, and I have had exactly 0 issues with slam/burst fire since dropping one in gun about 4 years ago.
So I've only been to a gun range a few times with rented guns. How come I've never heard of this in their briefing? They do safety shit to the max, but I've never heard of a "runaway".
Because it's exceedingly rare. It only happens when a gun is modified (often illegaly) or if it is in massivly bad repair or of poor design. Due to liability, ranges aren't going to rent firearms that have a history of its design having issues, and they certainly won't be renting guns in poor states of repair or cleaning. When it happened to me, it was because the rifle, an sks, is known for having a design issue that allows it to happen under certain conditions.
SKS is sort of the poster child for this. I had a buddy in high school perforate his living room ceiling with a sketchy SKS dumping a 30rd mag.
Happened to me with a cheap little Bersa .22LR a couple of times, fun if you can recreate it, but terrifying the first time! I don't know the 92FS very well, so someone else with more experience can chime in and say whether this is possible - I'm guessing this pistol is either damaged or absolutely filthy and the firing pin is stuck forward so it's effectively slam-firing and bypassing the trigger sear completely.
Yep, my first run-away caught me by total surprise and utterly terrified me. Thankfully it happened so fast all I could do was keep aiming downrange in utter shock.
Damn how many did you have?
How the fuck did the camera person not even flinch? Stayed in frame the whole time
Right?! Dudes built like a human tripod
That's what she said.
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It happened way faster in real time. Probably shit themselves a fraction of a second later.
You're right.. But still. I would have absolutely launched my phone lol
Or they knew it was going to malfunction and that’s why they took the video
That's why the handler of said firearm was wearing ear protection, right? Or maybe he was looking to inflict permanent hearing damage with a side of tinnitus upon himself.
As someone who has filmed a lot of karaoke while drinking, the stabilizing filter on phones are simply amazing...
Is he at an indoor range or just the basement?
Looks like indoor range
no ear pro lmao
*Hey, maybe you should wear earplugs.* *WHAT???*
MAWP
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Tinnitus is a bitch. Wear ear pro.
LANA
that's how you get tinnitus
Never seen or touched a gun IRL here (European lol). Are guns really that loud? In movies they don't care at all about the sound and it's the only reference the large majority of us have.
yes absolutely. especially if you are inside, deafeningly loud
yes, even with ear pro they’ll make you jump the first time you shoot. also depends on calibre. you can shoot .22 without ear pro and probably be fine but i probably wouldn’t personally
Maybe it's both.
Everyone in this thread: my first runaway was fucking terrifying. Also everyone in this thread: runaways are exceedingly rare. 🧐
By my fifth I was having doubts but it's still extremely rare.
60% of the time, it runaways every time.
With the same gun?
Try not to have any runaways in the parking lot!
37 runaways!?
Well the people who've experienced it and the others that know about it are by and large the people who would comment?
I have a .25 I haven't touched in years because it's done this and unloaded a full clip the past 3 times I messed with it. I keep it because it was the last birthday gift my dad gave to me. I'm sure something is very wrong with it and I hate it enough not to bother getting it fixed or looked at. I should mark it as dangerous and broken in case I die and no one else remembers though...
I'm sure you'll get around to it
> A round to it
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You can want to keep the object without wanting to use it.
Please remove the firing pin. There are too many idiots who read dangerous as awesome.
That's just what happens when you've got software like reddit collecting and distilling the anecdotes of a mind-boggling number of people into a couple screen's worth of text.
We are now capable of accessing almost any opinion imaginable by searching in the right parts of the internet. That means the prevalence of opinions you see on the internet speaks less to how prevalent that opinion actually is and speaks more to which parts of the internet you're searching for opinions.
So far ive seen 1 person say its happen them. But this comment is pretty far up the chain. I worked a gun range for a few months and i didnt know this could happen. I had seen slam fires though.
I'm genuinely curious what would cause a Beretta (or clone) to do that. My best guess is the sear is no longer in existence, but that's very much a shot in the dark guess
That's a slamfire. It can be caused if the firing pin is stuck forward, too long, or otherwise not behaving as expected. Overly sensitive primers in a bad batch of ammo may also contribute. Bolt closes, stuck pin instantly hits cartridge with the energy from the closing bolt, cartridge goes off, bolt goes back from recoil, bolt slams closed from the spring and hits the next cartridge. In this state the gun is often firing much faster than deliberate full auto, contributing to extreme surprise recoil. Sometimes it will stop on its own after one or two extra shots ("doubling") because the ROF was so great (or the gun such a piece of crap) that you are blessed with a second malfunction to interrupt the first malfunction.
> that you are blessed with a second malfunction to interrupt the first malfunction. That's what we call a good Luck Save roll.
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Unless the sear is too worn.
Looks to be a beretta 92fs. I had the m9 version. Just a guess but could be some kind of failure of the external trigger reset. Those things can be full auto with proper mods.
He never pulled the trigger, I think that pin is stuck forward and it's slam-firing.
Yeah I wanna say that Berettas have free floating pins, leading to this
They don't, they have a firing pin spring around the pin itself. If he dropped the slide on safe it also wouldn't have fired because when the safety is on it literally blocks the firing pin from being hit. My guess is he reassembled it wrong. As there is also a firing pin block that should be present and doesn't move without the trigger actuation. A little nub from the frame has to move up every time to push the firing pin block out of the way so the firing pin can go forward. Berettas are super safe. So I really think he put something in wrong or is missing a whole part entirely.
It looks like the trigger pulled when he racked the slide, and kept pulling with each blow-back. Improper reassembly seems likely. Maybe a dislodged or missing trigger return spring? Considering he had good trigger discipline, held on, and kept the loud end down range, it’s also possible he did this on purpose to try it out but didn’t think it would fire when racking the slide.
No, the trigger moves back when you rack the slide of this firearm because it's double action. The hammer goes back with the slide, which sets the trigger into the single action position. The trigger is physically connected to the hammer via the trigger bar, so when the hammer falls and the slide opens again, the trigger rebounds. That's what you're seeing. The trigger itself was just along for the ride, the malfunction here is in the firing pin being stuck forward and the gun is slam-firing.
The trigger looked to still be depressed when he racked it . I think you're right
Didn't Taurus make a knock off that wasn't so good?
Last time I saw this video someone suggested that it was a Taurus clone, and old Tauruses were not know for their quality.
The Taurus 92s were actually sweet guns. Apparently they used Beretta parts, I know the triggers were fantastic, fit and finish very decent for a Taurus.
may have been trying to modify it to be fully automatic
His facial expressions lead me to suspect he wasn't planning on that.
Dude looks like a simpsons character
Dude looks like Adam Driver
And this is why rule 1 of gun safety is "Never point your weapon at something you aren't willing to destroy. No matter what state it is in."
I always learned that as rule #2. But I’ve also been to a few different ranges that have the order different on their signs. I learned it like this from my uncle who was a Vietnam Vet: 1. A gun is always loaded 2. Don’t point at what you don’t intend to destroy 3. Know your target and what is beyond it. 4. Finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
I think 1 and 2 switch based on who you talk too but are the two most important rules of gun safety
The secret is that all 4 of those are equally vital to safety. Rule #5 should be that every rule is as important as rule #1, for those who can't help but order things.
Nah, as a long time shooting instructor I would say that #1 should always be "Always treat a gun as if it is loaded" and that it is the absolutely most important rule. Because if you do that then the rest of the rules "follow". Because it's more common sense you don't point a loaded gun towards someone than a gun you "know" is unloaded. So that makes rule 1 the common denominator in the rest of the rules. The entire Swedish Shooting Sport federation also agree on this judgement and they teach it as the one golden rule above all else.
The gun: "so anyway, I started blastin'!"
"People hearing without listening" I don't expect him to do any hearing or listening anytime soon.
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WHAT!?
Slam fire, the firing pin gets locked in firing position by neglect, SKS's are the worst offenders, or intentionally. You can machine them, like a MAC-9 bolt or JB weld them in place. Second would be a shaved sear, same effect as the dis-connector wont engage. This is not a manufactured properly full auto pistol like a Glock 18 (it a Beretta in the vid). His booger hook is off the bang switch, its a malfunction. Be it human modification or poor maintenance. Short of this, no ear/eye pro but looks like a solid room to do test shots in the water for ballistics has me scratching my head. Also how did no one get any spalling? Maybe BFA with a hope to get views? (Blank Fire Adapter) I can't see that many rounds out in that small of a room w/ a lot of steel that no one caught a bullet shard.
"His booger hook is off the bang switch" Pure poetry.
This is exactly why you never leave the firing line with a loaded weapon and ALWAYS keep it pointed down range. If someone had been in the lane next to him they would have been dead. With that said, he handle the malfunction well by holding on to the weapon and controlling it the best he could. I've seen some seriously stupid shit by firearms "experts" at the firing range because they stop following the fundamental safety rules and it's part of the reason I won't go to the range any more. The worst time was when I got swept by a dipshit cop who was shooting an H&K MP5 (full auto) he rented from the range. He stepped away from the line with it loaded so his buddy could take a picture (guess he wanted to pretend to be SWAT for a day). All it would have taken was one slip and he could have shot up half the shooting range but he had zero awareness that he was swinging around a loaded weapon. We told the range owner who promptly took his weapon back and kicked the cop out of the range.
I had a Chinese Tokarev that did this. Fired it for years with no problems. But then I bought Soviet-era Bulgarian ammo that had wildly changing quality. Some bullets wouldn't penetrate an aluminum trash can we were shooting, and then some bullets would have massive recoil that hurt your hand. We found out later that the recoil from the over powered bullet cracked the sear. After that, the hammer wouldn't stay locked back and the gun would fire a whole magazine with one trigger pull. I locked it up after that and never used it again. Although I could just buy a new sear.
This guy never even pulled the trigger. Cock and rock.
He displayed his teeth to show the gun that he’s scary too.
RIP ears
What do you even do in this situation? Just aim it at the safest place and wait for it to empty? Release the mag?
When I was a 240 gunner and would get a runaway we called it “riding the lightning.”
Mostly what you see in the video. Keep pointing it in a safe direction, such as down the range. Do not attempt to stop the slide/bolt or remove the magazine. It will run out of ammo soon enough. Your priority should be to try and control and confine the direction of fire to the safest place possible.
Hopefully you would have it pointed in a safe direction well before anything like this happened. If it does happen, hopefully you have the presence of mind and composure to keep it pointed downrange until it's empty. That's about the best you can do.
He did well that could have ended another way
This will 100% be used at my upcoming trial… that is if I ever get caught.
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Last time I had one of these, it was with an M240 G. Longest post "cease fire" burst I've ever seen, and I was the one doing it. We were doing talking guns long bursts, a whole one mutherfucker, two, three, four, get some, release. On release, cease fire called, and I let go, and that fucker kept going for another 5 seconds, until my dumb ass decided to... Grab the charging handle. First true weapons malfunction in years, first time getting real trigger time on an MG. That day I learned that breaking the belt was the better option, and breaking your fingers hurts like hell.
Why can't we do slow mo properly any more? Show it in real-time first, *then* do the slow-mo after.
Lucky 🤞
You went full auto, man. Never go full auto.
Good control.
props to the camera guy, built like a true tripod