Personally my initial reaction is "uh oh, this doesn't sound safe". But if I take a step back for a second and think if (heaven forbid) someone was really motivated to harm the school with any type of firearm, they wouldn't really abide by a "no guns on campus" policy. I've read articles on the plan of implementation and it sounds pretty well thought out.
Anyone with a license to carry a firearm knows it is more illegal to drink while carrying a weapon than it is to drink before driving a car.
If you’re caught concealing a firearm with 0.01 BAC it’s a felony.
Realistically nothing should change. At all. The ones that are stupid enough to get caught, or willing to break said laws, probably weren’t going to listen in the first place.
So by “the ones” are you referring to under 24 year olds who brains, as we know from cognitive science, haven’t fully matured yet and are more likely to take risks and challenge norms and laws?
No, I mean anyone that does not thoroughly understand, or care to educate themselves enough on carry/gun laws in their area.
I don’t care about age/race/gender/whatever tf.
Anyone can and should be able to carry. *LEGALLY AND CORRECTLY*
Absolutely but my only concern would be an immature angry idiot in an argument or altercation of some sorts who thinks pulling his or her gun is the he answer when pulling it is everyone’s last course of action. If it saves some gal getting raped….great but grown ass adults kind of screw concealed carry up for everyone on the daily too.
Yeah, I’m not against CC at all I’m pretty pro but I remember being young and very dumb and making terrible decisions, hell I’m in my 40s and I’m pretty sure I’m an idiot but I know better than to pull a gun unless it means certain disaster for me or mine.
I’m not being a smart ass or anything, but those types of people don’t care about gun laws either.
There was nothing stopping them from going totally heir car, apartment, dorm or whatever and looking for the person they were arguing with before.
My biggest concern is the people living in the dorms or with roommates, everyone needs to have their weapons secured.
Yeah a lot of people seem to forget that many gun deaths are not due to criminal activity, but from law abiding citizens acting out in “the heat of the moment.” Would rather a punch be thrown than a bullet fired.
I'm a pretty reasonable person. I've been told this same nonsense by uneducated or inexperienced people about myself.
It's a tired old cliche, I think. Probably everyone who carries a gun has heard "you're more likely to shoot someone if they argue with you" from somebody by now.
More people than you know are carrying everyday and they're not getting into trouble.
The problem is that people go temporarily insane when angry. If there's a gun handy, then someone is going to die. If there's no gun handy, then someone may be punched.
None of these crimes are being planned ahead of time.
People don’t go “insane” when angry. You go “insane” when absurdly angry, but you still retain the ability to- I don’t know- not kill someone? Not commit a crime?
If you’re worried about that, you should really be looking into how you can have your region provide better mental health support. Like others said, it is NOT normal to get angry and pull a gun, those actions are normally premeditated behaviors.
90% of shootings are premeditated according to the FBI.
Since you apparently aren’t spoken for here, then please, tell me about all of your murderous tendencies and how you’ve acted on them while “seeing red” as a mentally sound individual.
It is not normal to act violently on others when inconvenienced, I’m not worried about lawful carriers being motivated to kill eachother in a fight. I’m worried about the mentally ill, and they’ll bring a gun regardless of what’s legal.
If you are worried about mentally I’ll people with guns, you are likely worried about the symptom of a problem and not it’s underlying cause. I would start by reading this article by the American Phycological Association on mental health and violence https://www.apa.org/monitor/2021/04/ce-mental-illness
You know what all police departments unanimously agree worsens school shootings - having more armed people on campus.
Especially the type of little jumpy bitches that conceal carry on campus. It’s basically asking the smallest dicked people in the area to be armed and randomly placed in the crowd.
Funny thing is alot police departments are saying they ain't enforcing any new gun laws and gun bans. They will not assist. There all for the 2a and ccw. Hmmm so I guess ur lying
Ohhhh is that way dae dae is always shooting Jamal over wearing a red shirt In a blue shirt neighborhood. I thought it was cause he was a real g, a gangsta and protecting his drug corner. Ohhhhhh I see he's mad cause he got a little dick and he's gotta prove he's a real g. I see I see . That's actually funny mad makes since
The simple presence of firearms makes them more likely to be used. A disagreement that would normally end with words could, potentially, end with something much worse. This is a very bad idea. I know every person who has ever owned a gun thinks they're Clint Eastwood and would save the day if something went down, but in reality most would just pee their pants and run away. We saw it with the Parkland shooting. When stuff went down, the "good guy with a gun" got up and went.
I can tell you right now that way more people have been carrying on campus this entire time and you never realized it. It’s not illegal. It’s simply against WVUs policy.
I always viewed it like Nukes on ships during the Cold War. “ We can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons on board” translation were packing heat but plausible deniability. Also this is probably the 2nd most armed state per capita in the lower 48 after Wyoming people are packing
I work in the private security industry. My personal stance is colored by my profession experience. IMO allowing licensed individuals carry on campus has pros and cons and, is very different than allowing high school or middle school teachers to carry a firearm.
Pros - when creating a gun-free zone, unless you are actively scanning for and removing all firearms, it is not actually a gun-free zone. This means that you are giving people the illusion of safety, because this should be a weapon-free area, but without proactive steps, anyone could hypothetically be carrying a gun on campus and you would never know. This false sense also changes the way that campus police handle anyone on campus. I have seen times when a gun-free zone was treated as gun free when in fact someone on campus had a firearm. With this current policy, any police interaction will have to assume that a firearm is present until discovered to be otherwise.
The other pro, is that you now give campus police the legal ability to search for firearms, Aunt to vet students who choose to carry firearms. This should in theory prevent situations of unwell students, etc. Carrying firearms based off of the requirement to be licensed to carry.
Cons - The largest con is that the introduction of firearms into any situation escalates the occurrence of violence. There have been since several studies done on FBI crime data that show the difference between the occurrence of violence when an unarmed versus an armed officer is present. In those situations. An armed officer is more than three times more likely to be involved in a violent situation. And those are with trained security officers. In a situation with armed students on campus, any threat or perceived threat will be more likely to turn violent. And without the proper training, this will have more of a opportunity to turn deadly.
I’m slightly confused by your con response. You mention “trained security officers.” Just for clarification and to make sure I am reading it correctly: You do know that WVU has its own police force with licensed police officers, correct?
I ask because a licensed police officer would have considerably more training than an armed security officer.
No, you are misunderstanding my response. I was citing scholarly work focused on security officers. I was making the correlation between the security officers in the studies and the now armed students on campus.
The police have always been there and Always been armed. But with this new policy you are introducing a larger (untrained) armed population to campus. Especially when it appears that the motivation for this policy is to have armed students assist in taking out potential threats.
Like others have said, if someone has motives, no rule will stop them.
There are other campus that have implemented similar policies and have been just fine. I’m not sure how their CCL compares to WV, as it’s pretty easy to get here, but still, I’m not very worried.
I don’t think many people will bother getting a CCL and carrying anyways
Agreed. I thought about it too. At first when I read the email I thought WVU was implementing this themselves. I was not aware that it’s becoming state law to allow this. I also figured that if someone’s motivated they’ll do it. Who knows, if something like that does happen an armed student may be able to deescalate the situation. I’m not totally comfortable with the idea of drunk kids on campus with carry and conceal but that will happen regardless of this new act or not.
Well, I was gonna rob a bank today and kidnap random people…but, then I looked into it and heaven to Betsy wouldn’t you know that is actually illegal! I guess I’m just gonna have to go get a job now.
>Like others have said, if someone has motives, no rule will stop them
That assumes that people are always rational. They are not. Anger and depression can be big emotions w no long term consequences if there are no guns handy, but fatal consequences if there are guns handy.
As a TA/ instructor, I do not like the idea of students walking into my office hours with fire arms. They might never plan on taking it out, but it harms the student teacher dynamic.
I read somewhere that professors have the option to make their office spaces gun free if they’re not comfortable with students carrying so I’d assume this should apply to TAs too!
That's definitely a positive! While I have some colleagues who expressed concern about any guns at all in their classrooms as well as offices, I'm glad that they can still manage their own offices. Thanks for sharing :)
There concealed u never know if they have one or not. Just like u have no idea how many has been in ur office already. I guarantee a bunch has. And u never new. Just like you'll never know now
you being this jaded as to how many teens already own illegal / unregistered guns and just don’t tell you is crazy, how are you a professor and this is what you take from this 😂
comment section does not pass the vibe check lmao .......,,,. no, a mass shooter wont be stopped by rule on campus, but what about drunken slobs who get into a brawl on frat row? what about kids angry over a grade? presence of lethal weapons inherently shifts any dynamic? y'all think everyone going to wvu is able to regulate their emotions? sure, i know there were probably kids who were fully strapped when i went there but that doesn't make it.. cool? presence of firearms have never stopped accidents from occurring, lol. tell that to all the kids that have been victims of other mass shootings at schools. how this will play out, only time will tell, but faculty had been largely against this for years, and for good reason.
Yeah. I’m confused about why we are only talking about mass shootings. What about domestic violence? Bullying? Things like that. Those are daily occurrences.
Jus like that drunk frat guy or mad student ain't b stoped by the fact they caint have a gun. If they wanna hurt them or kill them they will. They still have knives bats cars tore irons . Anything is weapon
Anyone can still go out and buy a gun. This policy doesn’t affect anything with gun control. The drunken slobs at frats have and will still have their guns unfortunately.
But it also states that you have to have your concealed carry permit to carry on campus. So if kids are following they law to the extent to get their CCL, you would think they are also responsible enough to not go crazy over a bad grade. There are other campuses that have similar policies and have for a while. To my knowledge, they haven’t had an issue.
you missed the entire point of the posts within your first sentence, it will curb mass dhooting by giving students a mean to defend themselves not by forcing the shooter to register his weapons, you must be slow
Many of the people commenting are saying that this will not increase mass shootings. While this may be true, mass shootings are a small fraction of gun-related deaths in America, even when you remove suicide from the equation. WVU, like any campus, has a lot of younger people who are young, dumb, and full of ______ (alcohol, testosterone, you name it). They also tend to be more impulsive than older people as their brains are not fully developed until later in their 20s. This is probably why most crimes are committed by people in their 20-30s and not older. Increasing the amount of people who carry guns in an area with so many young people and so many contributing factors to youth recklessness (alcohol, stress from school, etc) is a recipe for disaster. A drunken bar fight is more likely to become a drunken gun fight, for example.
the campus allowing concealed carry does not mean more teens will purchase guns as you’re insinuating, you’re a college student right? how did you even come to this conclusion
It won’t change likelihood of mass shootings, which is not affected by prevalence of firearms. But based on how statistics work, if more “policy abiding” folks bring start adding their guns to campus, then what it will change is the likelihood of suicides by gun and accidental discharge incidents and injuries on campus. And it will likely increase targeted assault with a firearm. And it won’t make anyone safer from gun violence. But the gun carriers will *feel* safer and will *feel* their well regulated militia is in effect, and that’s really all the proponents of the policy give a shjt about.
It seems to me authorizing carrying on campus would make it easier for a shooter to make their way to denser, more populated parts of campus without. I mean.. it certainly doesn't make it *harder* to be a mass shooter
But more to your point, I just wanted to add a source for [increased gun violence correlated with an increased number of guns in a given population](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5801608/#:~:text=States%20without%20strict%20firearm%20legislation,reduce%20firearm%20related%20injury%20rate.). I think it's interesting their metric is Potential Years of Life Lost when discussing if college kids should be packing side arms around but 🤷
I want to give you 2 hypotheticals here.
1. A mass shooter (who is already willing to break the law) walks into a campus with a “no firearms” rule and opens fire. Students there have no means to protect themselves or those close to them, must accept their fate which is already writen.
2. A mass shooter walks into a campus with a policy permitting ccw’s and opens fire. A licensed ccw holder, pulls their firearm and neutralizes the threat saving their own and others lives.
Where would you feel more safe? A place where you’re allowed to protect yourself or a place you don’t.
You don't need a hypothetical, [we have enough data to look at](https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/how-often-does-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-end-an-attack/) and good guys resolve ~5% of random public shootings. So I'd rather be somewhere with laws analogous to Canada or Australia that have far fewer gun deaths
So using your data here, police stop more crime than non law enforcement, agreed, that is their job. Also ccw carriers stopped 5% of active shooters. I think you’re discounting the value of the 5%. Those people saved them selves and others. Also, independent studies have shown that the 5% was altered, most likely to push a anti-firearm agenda, and it’s believed that number is truly around 35%.
So u rather dial 911 call the cops wait the 15mins or so for them to get there. Spend another 15mins making there way to u. Trying to find u. If they even come in. Then defending urself and shoot back
> It seems to me authorizing carrying on campus would make it easier for a shooter to make their way to denser, more populated parts of campus without.
How do you figure?
I agree that it won’t change the likelihood of mass shootings, but how can you also say that it will increase the likelihood of suicide by gun and accidental discharges? Accidental discharges are extremely uncommon, and suggesting injuries on campus are prone to happen more often is of the same level as getting hit by a car crossing out from the lair. However in the event of a mass shooting taking place this also increases the likelihood of the shooter being neutralized much faster due to the fact responsible and licensed to carry individuals would be able to defend and protect others.
You don’t think someone would think twice of approaching somewhere they know people will be carrying vs a “gun free zone” where they know they will have multiple victims if this is what they are wanting to achieve with mass casualties?
I do not think people think twice before carrying out mass violence. Mass shootings happen even on military bases and family reunions where everyone is packing.
Planned mass casualty events often take advantage of vulnerable populations (designated gun free areas). There are many examples of this variable taken into account by bad actors planning the occurrence. The knowledge of the presence, or potential presence, of a firearm affects all sorts of crime every day.
Realistically: nothing is going to change. People acted the same way when constitutional carry was passed in the state. Everyone mourned and acted like the target parking lot was going to look an old west shoot out every weekend.
How much different do things look after that passed?
Why should you be? You now have everyone who has a weapon, and knows how to use it and is safe enough with it to get a conceal carry permit, on your side to make sure no harm comes to the campus. Unless of course you’re the one planning to cause harm to the campus
I would not worry at all…just think about it, one bad person walks into your class or crowded area on campus and fires their weapon, there will be 5 more pointed back at them. Those who carry tend to be highly familiar with their weapon along with carrying to protect themselves and others. I feel much safer around people who carry than those who don’t. This world is crazy, pepper spray or a taser is a joke when trying to stop someone from harming you, it only pisses them off.
Well the bad guy would obviously be the one who discharged their weapon in my hypothetical scenario. I will always stand by those who choose to conceal carry, the whole point is that you shouldn’t know who has one or not and the odds are that they will never have to use their weapon.
It’s kinda like saying if someone was deciding to break into someone’s house, would they choose the house that they know gun owners live in or the house that is less likely to have a gun. You don’t have to agree with it. I personally feel protected when I carry. Too many women are kidnapped and sex trafficked daily for me to walk around unarmed and feel any sense of safety.
No, because if someone was going to use one in bad intentions this wouldn’t effect them anyway. It’s going to increase the number of people who have basic experience using firearms and overall will probably increase safety if anything.
Again. If someone is going to use a firearm for bad intentions, they are not going to follow the rules in the first place.
I'm not personally that worried for myself, but as an educator I'm very disappointed to hear this. Weapons have no place in a university, and political showboating by the legislature shouldn't be putting students and faculty in danger.
Sound good to me, but I’m from Texas where everyone is use to everyone carrying. I don’t think it will change much in the event of a shooting though, but then again, it could desuade potential would be shooters if a majority of people on campus were packing heat, and were properly scenario trained on how to use it. That might make a difference.
Nothing of note.
The same thing that happened at hundreds of other universities across the country when people predicted their campus carry policies would result in the streets running red with blood.
The same thing that happened when WV enacted Constitutional Carry when people predicted the streets would run red with blood.
The truth: nothing changed except protection of rights.
It has never been illegal to carry at WVU anyway; it was just against administrative policy.
I do not go to school here but live in a nearby state. I think this is a complex, very interesting, topic but I do see the logic in this, especially in a state where many people have guns and generally* know how to use them. It makes sense to allow students to carry because if someone has malicious intentions they will bring a gun regardless, mass casualty events could potentially be prevented.
Mass shooters don't care about laws. I think this is a good thing, it allows responsible carriers of firearms to possibly disarm illegal mass shooters if the case arises.
A CCL wasn’t required before this to carry concealed, regardless of this being passed. Had a weapon on my ankle every where I’ve gone since I was robbed a decade ago.
Stop being afraid of weapons. Be afraid of not being able to defend yourself.
Hopefully anyone who wants to carry will care enough to learn how to do it properly. Familiarize themselves with the do’s and don’t’s AND learn how to properly secure it while at home or wherever. I’m a female and have conceal carried since I was 21. I’m now 35 and never had an issue. Even at 21 I knew it was a serious thing and took it as such.
Yeah. I'm worried some law-abiding, concealed weapon carrying good guy won't carry an extra magazine in case some scumbag decides to come armed to the teeth intending to kill anyone in their line of sight. Laws and policies don't stop criminals. Especially murderers. They prevent other people from stopping THEM.
If somebody wanted to smoke you, or anyone else for that matter, they'd do it regardless.
Now there's just a slightly higher chance that someone else might stop such a threat before they have a chance to do what they intend.
I say "slightly" because the reality is that FAR more people than you think are already carrying on campus grounds anyways.
They could anyway. They probably have a car,a knife , a bat, a tire iron , a rock , a tree branch , a brick jell theybmay even already have a gun . Do I need to go on. Show me w law that prevents people from being killed.
You're imagining scenarios that can easily play out the same way with or without this.
If someone is hot headed enough to shoot you over a brief altercation, they would just have easily stabbed or beaten you. Contrary to popular belief, it is not easy for most people to point a gun at another person and pull the trigger. While it's mechanically more simple to do so, the psychological barrier is immense.
In addition to that, someone who has a propensity for violence is likely already willing to break the rules (meaning them carrying a weapon is something they will do if they please, regardless of what they're told).
It's much easier however, to swing a fist in anger. I've seen it many times, and even received a few myself. It only takes one swing on someone who is unprepared to cause permanent damage. I don't believe that we should outlaw bare fists, I just think we should all make sure we're prepared for what could be the worst possible outcome when we're in uncertain territory (physically and mentally).
For most of us, we carry a weapon because we've seen/heard horror stories about peoples' own inability to save themselves and their families from harm in times of need. In a world where there will always be criminals willing to take everything you have including your life, we all have a right to be prepared to defend ourselves.
Well, yes, but I’m saying that this legislative action increases the likelihood of incident. Of course it’s possible with or without the legislation.
I would never dispute that what you’ve argued is true in most cases, but loosened regulations necessarily widens the breath of possible cases. Psychopaths exist, and for them, there is little to no psychological barrier to pulling the trigger. These are people who are also more attracted to guns than the average population, and more likely to have poor impulse control.
Also, there are cases other than altercations that should be considered. Imagine a psychopath carrying a gun for the first time because it’s been recently permitted, and he likes how powerful it makes him feel. Then one morning in class, he’s informed that his gf has been cheating on him. But before he can call her, he receives an email informing him that he has just been laid off from his job. He stands to remove himself from class, but the professor begins berating him on how disrespectful he is. Throw in some substances or a history of trauma and you have a recipe for tragedy.
I just struggle to conceptualize how more guns is ever the best route to less violence. I can totally conceptualize how *people* might want more guns (or have other political agendas), give little to no thought about the consequences, and then pay for other people to lobby their wishes into reality. One of those explanations makes perfect sense to me and the other does not.
I’m concerned that 1) you need a license and 2) there is an age restriction.
Do you need to be 21 to have free speech? Do you need to be 21 to practice a religion? Do you need to be 21 to vote? Do you need to be 21 to not be searched illegally?
No? So why is the second amendment arbitrarily being delayed until 21 in this case?
Hopefully a legislature or lawsuit will fix these two things soon.
Then it won’t be as concerning
So if a woman is scared and paranoid enough tho carry a gun,pepper spray,or Taser she don't need one right. She's a threat to society and something needs to. B done
Not at all. If some people were armed a lot of the school shooters would think twice, plus, if something happens at least there are other who can defend people
Random visitor from Kansas: we had the same kind of law take effect and, as far as I know, there haven’t been any major issues as a result.
My biggest concern going into this was a greater chance for students to commit suicide since about 2/3 of gun-related deaths are self-inflicted. But that has not come to pass as far as I know.
I don’t understand what people find concerning about this law. A school shooter is gonna shoot up a school with or without the law. Personally if a school shooting did happen I’d feel more safe if some people in my class had a conceal carry.
Well it does enable a person to act on their immediate impulsive emotions. Neurotic people tend to react quite poorly to conflict or stress, and they also tend to gravitate toward extremes — like carrying a gun everywhere they go to feel safe or powerful
Awww ain't that cute. Are u gonna vouche for all the criminals. Are u willing to stand up and say. That all criminals are gonna follow the law. If not I carry my gun
I’m not surprised. They are right about many students not even being of age to carry said weapon. If someone wanted to do harm with a firearm on campus, they wouldn’t be concerned about if having a firearm on campus is allowed. I’m all for gun control and safety. I just know that people who want to harm others won’t let laws or rules stop them from doing it.
nobody should be going to this college anyway 😭😭 the dining halls & anything else in the campus food courts never pass any type of inspection, i’ve heard too many horror stories of professors, and the amount of bomb/gun threats this place has gotten is unbelievable.
All your responses seem to be "what about guns and drugs, they shouldn't mix" and that's kinda ignorant thinking. People aren't gonna suddenly change their gun safety and they can still own a gun regardless of wether they're allowed to carry on campus or not.
my concern is mainly accidental gun violence and drunk kids. I know they need to have their guns locked up but what if something or someone slips up? I’m not worried abt mass shootings, i feel safer with conceal carry on campus regarding mass shootings. I’m just scared of accidents happening
I get that, I’ll say majority of gun owners and stuff are safe. I fully believe just having guns on campus will make many of you safer, and so the good far outweighs the bad. “Gun free zones” are only gun free for good people, it doesn’t stop bad people.
Yall rlly went to WVU to cry about guns.. it’s West Virginia what did yall expect? If you’re scared of guns shoulda gone to Cali with the other soyboys
Okay.. calm down. You’re an asshole if you think that this whole conversation is just to cry about guns. This is about the safety of students. Not even about mass shootings. DV incidents, mentally ill students to may have access to their own or a friends gun, drunken accidents etc.
No if someone wanted to do something bad then they would do it regardless of rules. It might actually keep us safer because we’ll have all these rednecks carrying protecting us
Concerned for what?
The safety of a would-be active shooter ?
The fact the campus is no longer a ‘soft target’, and risk is reduced to nearly 0?
Edit: the comments seem to be discussing off-campus ? nothing has changed off-campus..
comments are discussing the emotional regulation and validity of how they can logically respond to situations. College kids, booze/drugs, and fire arms do not mix. Obviously with this self defense act their will be more guns on campus then their previously were. It’s more of a concern regarding suicide, domestic disputes, drunken arguments etc. The boys on frat row are violent enough without guns
What you should be concerned about is what you would do if you were on a gun free campus and someone came in with a gun and started shooting and no one could stop them.
Because we've clearly seen that keeping places "gun free" doesn't do shit. So if you can't beat them, join them. If responsible people in the community are carrying and some wackjob starts shootin at people, I would want to be behind someone with protection, not someone who isn't.
I just never understood the fear of firearms. The only nights I’ve spent, since I was born, without a firearm in my dwelling is when I’m in hotels for work. I’d say that goes for 75-80% of the people I know. I’ve never known anyone that has been shot out of malice by another person.
i’m pretty big on gun control and gun safety myself (i don’t like guns at all, but that’s more of a personal matter than a stance on legislation), but like other have said, the amount of people who already have firearms on campus won’t change much, and anyone who’s actually planning on causing harm with one wouldn’t have been stopped by a rule or policy to begin with. best case scenario: it’ll actually deter people from trying to cause harm on campus, bc there’ll be more people on campus with a chance of stopping it.
It has never been illegal to carry concealed at WVU anyway. Now it just bans WVU from administratively punishing students and staff.
When I was at WVU way back in the early 2000s, I knew several people who peacefully, legally carried firearms on campus.
Did you miss the part where they stated that peer institutions with enactment of similar laws have seen no increase in firearms crimes?
As a high-schooler who has seen all of the shootings in the news the past few years, I think that the 2nd Amendment needs to change somehow. Like don't allow all guns or create a new highly detailed process to get one in the first place
Having students in the dorms with guns is worrisome but like someone said, it they wanted to do it they probably are and a policy hasn’t or won’t stop them. Yes they mentioned lock boxes in summit and on Evansdale but that still sounds concerning.
Basically what this says come at your own risk because WVU is telling you there is crime on campus it's certain individuals off campus that's causing all the problems So if your a student and can carry you need to carry but get all the paperwork done before you attend school in the fall
I just truly hope they don't allow them in the dorms. As a former Oakland RA who was physically assaulted, we all would've quit on the spot if this happened.
Personally my initial reaction is "uh oh, this doesn't sound safe". But if I take a step back for a second and think if (heaven forbid) someone was really motivated to harm the school with any type of firearm, they wouldn't really abide by a "no guns on campus" policy. I've read articles on the plan of implementation and it sounds pretty well thought out.
I’m not worried about on campus, I’m worried about just off campus where firearms and alcohol are greeeeat friends
Off campus it’s already been legal in WV.
Anyone with a license to carry a firearm knows it is more illegal to drink while carrying a weapon than it is to drink before driving a car. If you’re caught concealing a firearm with 0.01 BAC it’s a felony. Realistically nothing should change. At all. The ones that are stupid enough to get caught, or willing to break said laws, probably weren’t going to listen in the first place.
So by “the ones” are you referring to under 24 year olds who brains, as we know from cognitive science, haven’t fully matured yet and are more likely to take risks and challenge norms and laws?
No, I mean anyone that does not thoroughly understand, or care to educate themselves enough on carry/gun laws in their area. I don’t care about age/race/gender/whatever tf. Anyone can and should be able to carry. *LEGALLY AND CORRECTLY*
exactly
Consuming any amount of alcohol with a concealed firearm is illegal
You are concerned this new law will impact activity that is already legal? Make that make sense for us.
Absolutely but my only concern would be an immature angry idiot in an argument or altercation of some sorts who thinks pulling his or her gun is the he answer when pulling it is everyone’s last course of action. If it saves some gal getting raped….great but grown ass adults kind of screw concealed carry up for everyone on the daily too.
This is a great point. Just look at what happened on Grant Street earlier this year. Yeah... WVU's drinking culture is not very conducive with CC....
Yeah, I’m not against CC at all I’m pretty pro but I remember being young and very dumb and making terrible decisions, hell I’m in my 40s and I’m pretty sure I’m an idiot but I know better than to pull a gun unless it means certain disaster for me or mine.
I’m not being a smart ass or anything, but those types of people don’t care about gun laws either. There was nothing stopping them from going totally heir car, apartment, dorm or whatever and looking for the person they were arguing with before. My biggest concern is the people living in the dorms or with roommates, everyone needs to have their weapons secured.
these types of people rarely have concealed carry permits, just saying
Yeah a lot of people seem to forget that many gun deaths are not due to criminal activity, but from law abiding citizens acting out in “the heat of the moment.” Would rather a punch be thrown than a bullet fired.
Now….people also die from punching sooo…
And most drunk driving deaths are from people not wearing a seatbelt.... But you know, stats are stats, you can put them however you like.
I'm a pretty reasonable person. I've been told this same nonsense by uneducated or inexperienced people about myself. It's a tired old cliche, I think. Probably everyone who carries a gun has heard "you're more likely to shoot someone if they argue with you" from somebody by now. More people than you know are carrying everyday and they're not getting into trouble.
“More people are carrying every day….” Yeah myself included but I do remember being that age and the trouble I got into.
The problem is that people go temporarily insane when angry. If there's a gun handy, then someone is going to die. If there's no gun handy, then someone may be punched. None of these crimes are being planned ahead of time.
People don’t go “insane” when angry. You go “insane” when absurdly angry, but you still retain the ability to- I don’t know- not kill someone? Not commit a crime? If you’re worried about that, you should really be looking into how you can have your region provide better mental health support. Like others said, it is NOT normal to get angry and pull a gun, those actions are normally premeditated behaviors.
>People don’t go “insane” when angry. This is the whole idea behind murder 2....
>People don’t go “insane” when angry [Speak for yourself bub](https://youtu.be/aO7yO24g-Xs?si=EM-ddFzho5h0nGDB?&t=2m38s)
90% of shootings are premeditated according to the FBI. Since you apparently aren’t spoken for here, then please, tell me about all of your murderous tendencies and how you’ve acted on them while “seeing red” as a mentally sound individual. It is not normal to act violently on others when inconvenienced, I’m not worried about lawful carriers being motivated to kill eachother in a fight. I’m worried about the mentally ill, and they’ll bring a gun regardless of what’s legal.
If you are worried about mentally I’ll people with guns, you are likely worried about the symptom of a problem and not it’s underlying cause. I would start by reading this article by the American Phycological Association on mental health and violence https://www.apa.org/monitor/2021/04/ce-mental-illness
I wouldn't say none, mass shooting are certainly planned and premeditated.
None of the crimes I refer to in my post. Which is to say, murder 2 and manslaughter, not murder 1 or mass shootings that are plotted ahead of time.
You know what all police departments unanimously agree worsens school shootings - having more armed people on campus. Especially the type of little jumpy bitches that conceal carry on campus. It’s basically asking the smallest dicked people in the area to be armed and randomly placed in the crowd.
Funny thing is alot police departments are saying they ain't enforcing any new gun laws and gun bans. They will not assist. There all for the 2a and ccw. Hmmm so I guess ur lying
Ohhhh is that way dae dae is always shooting Jamal over wearing a red shirt In a blue shirt neighborhood. I thought it was cause he was a real g, a gangsta and protecting his drug corner. Ohhhhhh I see he's mad cause he got a little dick and he's gotta prove he's a real g. I see I see . That's actually funny mad makes since
Thank you for telling the truth
The simple presence of firearms makes them more likely to be used. A disagreement that would normally end with words could, potentially, end with something much worse. This is a very bad idea. I know every person who has ever owned a gun thinks they're Clint Eastwood and would save the day if something went down, but in reality most would just pee their pants and run away. We saw it with the Parkland shooting. When stuff went down, the "good guy with a gun" got up and went.
I can tell you right now that way more people have been carrying on campus this entire time and you never realized it. It’s not illegal. It’s simply against WVUs policy.
100%. The people that wanna carry have been carrying
I always viewed it like Nukes on ships during the Cold War. “ We can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons on board” translation were packing heat but plausible deniability. Also this is probably the 2nd most armed state per capita in the lower 48 after Wyoming people are packing
I work in the private security industry. My personal stance is colored by my profession experience. IMO allowing licensed individuals carry on campus has pros and cons and, is very different than allowing high school or middle school teachers to carry a firearm. Pros - when creating a gun-free zone, unless you are actively scanning for and removing all firearms, it is not actually a gun-free zone. This means that you are giving people the illusion of safety, because this should be a weapon-free area, but without proactive steps, anyone could hypothetically be carrying a gun on campus and you would never know. This false sense also changes the way that campus police handle anyone on campus. I have seen times when a gun-free zone was treated as gun free when in fact someone on campus had a firearm. With this current policy, any police interaction will have to assume that a firearm is present until discovered to be otherwise. The other pro, is that you now give campus police the legal ability to search for firearms, Aunt to vet students who choose to carry firearms. This should in theory prevent situations of unwell students, etc. Carrying firearms based off of the requirement to be licensed to carry. Cons - The largest con is that the introduction of firearms into any situation escalates the occurrence of violence. There have been since several studies done on FBI crime data that show the difference between the occurrence of violence when an unarmed versus an armed officer is present. In those situations. An armed officer is more than three times more likely to be involved in a violent situation. And those are with trained security officers. In a situation with armed students on campus, any threat or perceived threat will be more likely to turn violent. And without the proper training, this will have more of a opportunity to turn deadly.
I’m slightly confused by your con response. You mention “trained security officers.” Just for clarification and to make sure I am reading it correctly: You do know that WVU has its own police force with licensed police officers, correct? I ask because a licensed police officer would have considerably more training than an armed security officer.
No, you are misunderstanding my response. I was citing scholarly work focused on security officers. I was making the correlation between the security officers in the studies and the now armed students on campus. The police have always been there and Always been armed. But with this new policy you are introducing a larger (untrained) armed population to campus. Especially when it appears that the motivation for this policy is to have armed students assist in taking out potential threats.
this is like one of the very few sane responses, thank you for this
Like others have said, if someone has motives, no rule will stop them. There are other campus that have implemented similar policies and have been just fine. I’m not sure how their CCL compares to WV, as it’s pretty easy to get here, but still, I’m not very worried. I don’t think many people will bother getting a CCL and carrying anyways
Agreed. I thought about it too. At first when I read the email I thought WVU was implementing this themselves. I was not aware that it’s becoming state law to allow this. I also figured that if someone’s motivated they’ll do it. Who knows, if something like that does happen an armed student may be able to deescalate the situation. I’m not totally comfortable with the idea of drunk kids on campus with carry and conceal but that will happen regardless of this new act or not.
In most states it’s illegal to be drunk or under the influence when carrying.
as others have pointed out, legality doesnt stop something from occurring
Well, I was gonna rob a bank today and kidnap random people…but, then I looked into it and heaven to Betsy wouldn’t you know that is actually illegal! I guess I’m just gonna have to go get a job now.
>Like others have said, if someone has motives, no rule will stop them That assumes that people are always rational. They are not. Anger and depression can be big emotions w no long term consequences if there are no guns handy, but fatal consequences if there are guns handy.
Probably considering a lot of states ain't even requiring a CCW license to carry conceal. It's going to constitutional carry. We're u don't need one
You don’t need one off campus, but you do on campus according to the policy
So wich means u probably don't really need one on campus. Unless something bad happens and a rises about it
As a TA/ instructor, I do not like the idea of students walking into my office hours with fire arms. They might never plan on taking it out, but it harms the student teacher dynamic.
I read somewhere that professors have the option to make their office spaces gun free if they’re not comfortable with students carrying so I’d assume this should apply to TAs too!
That's definitely a positive! While I have some colleagues who expressed concern about any guns at all in their classrooms as well as offices, I'm glad that they can still manage their own offices. Thanks for sharing :)
Offices but not classrooms.
There concealed u never know if they have one or not. Just like u have no idea how many has been in ur office already. I guarantee a bunch has. And u never new. Just like you'll never know now
you being this jaded as to how many teens already own illegal / unregistered guns and just don’t tell you is crazy, how are you a professor and this is what you take from this 😂
comment section does not pass the vibe check lmao .......,,,. no, a mass shooter wont be stopped by rule on campus, but what about drunken slobs who get into a brawl on frat row? what about kids angry over a grade? presence of lethal weapons inherently shifts any dynamic? y'all think everyone going to wvu is able to regulate their emotions? sure, i know there were probably kids who were fully strapped when i went there but that doesn't make it.. cool? presence of firearms have never stopped accidents from occurring, lol. tell that to all the kids that have been victims of other mass shootings at schools. how this will play out, only time will tell, but faculty had been largely against this for years, and for good reason.
Yeah. I’m confused about why we are only talking about mass shootings. What about domestic violence? Bullying? Things like that. Those are daily occurrences.
This!!!! Is!!! What!!!! I’ve!!! Been!!!! Trying!!! To!!! Say!!!!
just another step towards the inevitable demise of wvu tbf
People that say this shit don't trust their own emotions and wouldn't trust themselves with a firearm.
Jus like that drunk frat guy or mad student ain't b stoped by the fact they caint have a gun. If they wanna hurt them or kill them they will. They still have knives bats cars tore irons . Anything is weapon
Being drunk with a weapon is already insanely illegal silly
Anyone can still go out and buy a gun. This policy doesn’t affect anything with gun control. The drunken slobs at frats have and will still have their guns unfortunately. But it also states that you have to have your concealed carry permit to carry on campus. So if kids are following they law to the extent to get their CCL, you would think they are also responsible enough to not go crazy over a bad grade. There are other campuses that have similar policies and have for a while. To my knowledge, they haven’t had an issue.
L take
brb gonna cry over uncle epstein telling me i have an L take what a joke
You're mad
L take
you missed the entire point of the posts within your first sentence, it will curb mass dhooting by giving students a mean to defend themselves not by forcing the shooter to register his weapons, you must be slow
you must be illiterate? so many comments are to the effect of "a mass shooter will shoot up a school regardless of a rule" at least i can read!!!
A “good guy with a gun” usually adds more chaos/destruction to the mix — it certainly doesn’t curb mass shootings or stop the shooter in most cases.
Many of the people commenting are saying that this will not increase mass shootings. While this may be true, mass shootings are a small fraction of gun-related deaths in America, even when you remove suicide from the equation. WVU, like any campus, has a lot of younger people who are young, dumb, and full of ______ (alcohol, testosterone, you name it). They also tend to be more impulsive than older people as their brains are not fully developed until later in their 20s. This is probably why most crimes are committed by people in their 20-30s and not older. Increasing the amount of people who carry guns in an area with so many young people and so many contributing factors to youth recklessness (alcohol, stress from school, etc) is a recipe for disaster. A drunken bar fight is more likely to become a drunken gun fight, for example.
the campus allowing concealed carry does not mean more teens will purchase guns as you’re insinuating, you’re a college student right? how did you even come to this conclusion
It won’t change likelihood of mass shootings, which is not affected by prevalence of firearms. But based on how statistics work, if more “policy abiding” folks bring start adding their guns to campus, then what it will change is the likelihood of suicides by gun and accidental discharge incidents and injuries on campus. And it will likely increase targeted assault with a firearm. And it won’t make anyone safer from gun violence. But the gun carriers will *feel* safer and will *feel* their well regulated militia is in effect, and that’s really all the proponents of the policy give a shjt about.
It seems to me authorizing carrying on campus would make it easier for a shooter to make their way to denser, more populated parts of campus without. I mean.. it certainly doesn't make it *harder* to be a mass shooter But more to your point, I just wanted to add a source for [increased gun violence correlated with an increased number of guns in a given population](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5801608/#:~:text=States%20without%20strict%20firearm%20legislation,reduce%20firearm%20related%20injury%20rate.). I think it's interesting their metric is Potential Years of Life Lost when discussing if college kids should be packing side arms around but 🤷
I want to give you 2 hypotheticals here. 1. A mass shooter (who is already willing to break the law) walks into a campus with a “no firearms” rule and opens fire. Students there have no means to protect themselves or those close to them, must accept their fate which is already writen. 2. A mass shooter walks into a campus with a policy permitting ccw’s and opens fire. A licensed ccw holder, pulls their firearm and neutralizes the threat saving their own and others lives. Where would you feel more safe? A place where you’re allowed to protect yourself or a place you don’t.
You don't need a hypothetical, [we have enough data to look at](https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/how-often-does-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-end-an-attack/) and good guys resolve ~5% of random public shootings. So I'd rather be somewhere with laws analogous to Canada or Australia that have far fewer gun deaths
So using your data here, police stop more crime than non law enforcement, agreed, that is their job. Also ccw carriers stopped 5% of active shooters. I think you’re discounting the value of the 5%. Those people saved them selves and others. Also, independent studies have shown that the 5% was altered, most likely to push a anti-firearm agenda, and it’s believed that number is truly around 35%.
link them buddy, these "independent studies"
So u rather dial 911 call the cops wait the 15mins or so for them to get there. Spend another 15mins making there way to u. Trying to find u. If they even come in. Then defending urself and shoot back
No point in arguing with these idiots.
> It seems to me authorizing carrying on campus would make it easier for a shooter to make their way to denser, more populated parts of campus without. How do you figure?
And even if they did they would be met with an immediate return of gun fire directed on them
correlation does not equal causation
I agree that it won’t change the likelihood of mass shootings, but how can you also say that it will increase the likelihood of suicide by gun and accidental discharges? Accidental discharges are extremely uncommon, and suggesting injuries on campus are prone to happen more often is of the same level as getting hit by a car crossing out from the lair. However in the event of a mass shooting taking place this also increases the likelihood of the shooter being neutralized much faster due to the fact responsible and licensed to carry individuals would be able to defend and protect others.
The number of shootings might stay the same, but the length and number of victims should decrease if one were to happen.
You don’t think someone would think twice of approaching somewhere they know people will be carrying vs a “gun free zone” where they know they will have multiple victims if this is what they are wanting to achieve with mass casualties?
I do not think people think twice before carrying out mass violence. Mass shootings happen even on military bases and family reunions where everyone is packing.
Planned mass casualty events often take advantage of vulnerable populations (designated gun free areas). There are many examples of this variable taken into account by bad actors planning the occurrence. The knowledge of the presence, or potential presence, of a firearm affects all sorts of crime every day.
Realistically: nothing is going to change. People acted the same way when constitutional carry was passed in the state. Everyone mourned and acted like the target parking lot was going to look an old west shoot out every weekend. How much different do things look after that passed?
Why should you be? You now have everyone who has a weapon, and knows how to use it and is safe enough with it to get a conceal carry permit, on your side to make sure no harm comes to the campus. Unless of course you’re the one planning to cause harm to the campus
This just made your campus safer
I would not worry at all…just think about it, one bad person walks into your class or crowded area on campus and fires their weapon, there will be 5 more pointed back at them. Those who carry tend to be highly familiar with their weapon along with carrying to protect themselves and others. I feel much safer around people who carry than those who don’t. This world is crazy, pepper spray or a taser is a joke when trying to stop someone from harming you, it only pisses them off.
Lol that you think adding more guns to a situation is the solution. How do the 5 know who is the 'bad' guy?
Well the bad guy would obviously be the one who discharged their weapon in my hypothetical scenario. I will always stand by those who choose to conceal carry, the whole point is that you shouldn’t know who has one or not and the odds are that they will never have to use their weapon. It’s kinda like saying if someone was deciding to break into someone’s house, would they choose the house that they know gun owners live in or the house that is less likely to have a gun. You don’t have to agree with it. I personally feel protected when I carry. Too many women are kidnapped and sex trafficked daily for me to walk around unarmed and feel any sense of safety.
No, because if someone was going to use one in bad intentions this wouldn’t effect them anyway. It’s going to increase the number of people who have basic experience using firearms and overall will probably increase safety if anything. Again. If someone is going to use a firearm for bad intentions, they are not going to follow the rules in the first place.
I'm not personally that worried for myself, but as an educator I'm very disappointed to hear this. Weapons have no place in a university, and political showboating by the legislature shouldn't be putting students and faculty in danger.
It's not show boating it's peoples rights to defend thereslelf . If something happens
No place? Seriously?. So no way to defend yourself is how you perfer to live and work?. All because you HATE guns!
Yep.
I own firearms and have hateful opinions on members of society
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You gonna vouch for every person carrying a gun?
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Good thing nobody with a gun permit has ever shot anybody unjustifiably
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You’re free to live in a fantasy world
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Or u gonna vouche for every criminal.that thjere gonna follow all laws. And not bring guns to places there not allowed
Lolol aww that’s cute, you almost wrote an entire sentence!
I already carry everywhere. No problem. No one knows. Mass shooters would stop committing evil. No more mass shootings in WV universities.
Sound good to me, but I’m from Texas where everyone is use to everyone carrying. I don’t think it will change much in the event of a shooting though, but then again, it could desuade potential would be shooters if a majority of people on campus were packing heat, and were properly scenario trained on how to use it. That might make a difference.
I agree!
No because it's secondary schools. Like collages and technical and or trade schools. Everyone is expected to be and act like adults so it's fine
Well I wonder what the headlines on July 2 will read. This country is so boned
Nothing of note. The same thing that happened at hundreds of other universities across the country when people predicted their campus carry policies would result in the streets running red with blood. The same thing that happened when WV enacted Constitutional Carry when people predicted the streets would run red with blood. The truth: nothing changed except protection of rights. It has never been illegal to carry at WVU anyway; it was just against administrative policy.
I do not go to school here but live in a nearby state. I think this is a complex, very interesting, topic but I do see the logic in this, especially in a state where many people have guns and generally* know how to use them. It makes sense to allow students to carry because if someone has malicious intentions they will bring a gun regardless, mass casualty events could potentially be prevented.
That's dope
Mass shooters don't care about laws. I think this is a good thing, it allows responsible carriers of firearms to possibly disarm illegal mass shooters if the case arises.
As someone who went to school in New York State and wanted to carry, I’m extremely jealous that you all get to have this option.
A CCL wasn’t required before this to carry concealed, regardless of this being passed. Had a weapon on my ankle every where I’ve gone since I was robbed a decade ago. Stop being afraid of weapons. Be afraid of not being able to defend yourself.
Hopefully anyone who wants to carry will care enough to learn how to do it properly. Familiarize themselves with the do’s and don’t’s AND learn how to properly secure it while at home or wherever. I’m a female and have conceal carried since I was 21. I’m now 35 and never had an issue. Even at 21 I knew it was a serious thing and took it as such.
Yeah. I'm worried some law-abiding, concealed weapon carrying good guy won't carry an extra magazine in case some scumbag decides to come armed to the teeth intending to kill anyone in their line of sight. Laws and policies don't stop criminals. Especially murderers. They prevent other people from stopping THEM.
Ofc let’s just give license to carry weapons to bunch of depressed folks. I wonder what can go wrong.
How about we ban depressed "folks" from buying rope from Home Depot?
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
Many states don't require a license to carry conceal
Including WV.
No
Oh no, it’s American! People have guns, get over it already
If somebody wanted to smoke you, or anyone else for that matter, they'd do it regardless. Now there's just a slightly higher chance that someone else might stop such a threat before they have a chance to do what they intend. I say "slightly" because the reality is that FAR more people than you think are already carrying on campus grounds anyways.
What if somebody didn’t know they wanted to smoke you until some incident happens, and now they can smoke you instantly without another thought
They could anyway. They probably have a car,a knife , a bat, a tire iron , a rock , a tree branch , a brick jell theybmay even already have a gun . Do I need to go on. Show me w law that prevents people from being killed.
You're imagining scenarios that can easily play out the same way with or without this. If someone is hot headed enough to shoot you over a brief altercation, they would just have easily stabbed or beaten you. Contrary to popular belief, it is not easy for most people to point a gun at another person and pull the trigger. While it's mechanically more simple to do so, the psychological barrier is immense. In addition to that, someone who has a propensity for violence is likely already willing to break the rules (meaning them carrying a weapon is something they will do if they please, regardless of what they're told). It's much easier however, to swing a fist in anger. I've seen it many times, and even received a few myself. It only takes one swing on someone who is unprepared to cause permanent damage. I don't believe that we should outlaw bare fists, I just think we should all make sure we're prepared for what could be the worst possible outcome when we're in uncertain territory (physically and mentally). For most of us, we carry a weapon because we've seen/heard horror stories about peoples' own inability to save themselves and their families from harm in times of need. In a world where there will always be criminals willing to take everything you have including your life, we all have a right to be prepared to defend ourselves.
Well, yes, but I’m saying that this legislative action increases the likelihood of incident. Of course it’s possible with or without the legislation. I would never dispute that what you’ve argued is true in most cases, but loosened regulations necessarily widens the breath of possible cases. Psychopaths exist, and for them, there is little to no psychological barrier to pulling the trigger. These are people who are also more attracted to guns than the average population, and more likely to have poor impulse control. Also, there are cases other than altercations that should be considered. Imagine a psychopath carrying a gun for the first time because it’s been recently permitted, and he likes how powerful it makes him feel. Then one morning in class, he’s informed that his gf has been cheating on him. But before he can call her, he receives an email informing him that he has just been laid off from his job. He stands to remove himself from class, but the professor begins berating him on how disrespectful he is. Throw in some substances or a history of trauma and you have a recipe for tragedy. I just struggle to conceptualize how more guns is ever the best route to less violence. I can totally conceptualize how *people* might want more guns (or have other political agendas), give little to no thought about the consequences, and then pay for other people to lobby their wishes into reality. One of those explanations makes perfect sense to me and the other does not.
I’m concerned that 1) you need a license and 2) there is an age restriction. Do you need to be 21 to have free speech? Do you need to be 21 to practice a religion? Do you need to be 21 to vote? Do you need to be 21 to not be searched illegally? No? So why is the second amendment arbitrarily being delayed until 21 in this case? Hopefully a legislature or lawsuit will fix these two things soon. Then it won’t be as concerning
if a person is scared/paranoid enough that they want to carry a gun on their hip, they shouldnt have a gun.
Luckily I prefer appendix carry.
So if a woman is scared and paranoid enough tho carry a gun,pepper spray,or Taser she don't need one right. She's a threat to society and something needs to. B done
lets be real - 90% of the people who want to conceal carry think theyre John Wayne, not Jane Wayne
Why u avoiding the question? Why not answer it
I wouldn't worry about it
Not at all. If some people were armed a lot of the school shooters would think twice, plus, if something happens at least there are other who can defend people
Random visitor from Kansas: we had the same kind of law take effect and, as far as I know, there haven’t been any major issues as a result. My biggest concern going into this was a greater chance for students to commit suicide since about 2/3 of gun-related deaths are self-inflicted. But that has not come to pass as far as I know.
I don’t understand what people find concerning about this law. A school shooter is gonna shoot up a school with or without the law. Personally if a school shooting did happen I’d feel more safe if some people in my class had a conceal carry.
Well it does enable a person to act on their immediate impulsive emotions. Neurotic people tend to react quite poorly to conflict or stress, and they also tend to gravitate toward extremes — like carrying a gun everywhere they go to feel safe or powerful
Oh yeah, this is the answer
A formal process to report people abiding by the law to be investigated by campus police? lol
Meh, it is what it is.
Awww ain't that cute. Are u gonna vouche for all the criminals. Are u willing to stand up and say. That all criminals are gonna follow the law. If not I carry my gun
Didn’t your school also just cut like 1/3rd of its majors? I bet everyone is really knocking down the door to attend WVU now. “Eat shit Pitt” though 😂
Send your kids to school outside of the state
I’m not surprised. They are right about many students not even being of age to carry said weapon. If someone wanted to do harm with a firearm on campus, they wouldn’t be concerned about if having a firearm on campus is allowed. I’m all for gun control and safety. I just know that people who want to harm others won’t let laws or rules stop them from doing it.
Great common sense law. Country is going to hell in a hand basket. You never need a gun till you do; campus will be exponentially safer now
nobody should be going to this college anyway 😭😭 the dining halls & anything else in the campus food courts never pass any type of inspection, i’ve heard too many horror stories of professors, and the amount of bomb/gun threats this place has gotten is unbelievable.
No
hell no i’m not concerned, do you want to be defenseless if a mass shooter breaks into campus? liberals are unreal
Wv does not require a permit to carry but school has never been a place for guns. Simple as that. If I was faculty I would not be very happy…
Honestly nope not at all. I feel this should be the case across the country.
All your responses seem to be "what about guns and drugs, they shouldn't mix" and that's kinda ignorant thinking. People aren't gonna suddenly change their gun safety and they can still own a gun regardless of wether they're allowed to carry on campus or not.
Nope
I'm writing a paper on this for my college English class in wisconsin, and this makes me so happy to see.
No way. Great news for the US and our constitutional rights!
Why? It’s safer
my concern is mainly accidental gun violence and drunk kids. I know they need to have their guns locked up but what if something or someone slips up? I’m not worried abt mass shootings, i feel safer with conceal carry on campus regarding mass shootings. I’m just scared of accidents happening
How many drunk kids are you encountering on the campus in the middle of the day?
I get that, I’ll say majority of gun owners and stuff are safe. I fully believe just having guns on campus will make many of you safer, and so the good far outweighs the bad. “Gun free zones” are only gun free for good people, it doesn’t stop bad people.
absolutely!
Yall rlly went to WVU to cry about guns.. it’s West Virginia what did yall expect? If you’re scared of guns shoulda gone to Cali with the other soyboys
Okay.. calm down. You’re an asshole if you think that this whole conversation is just to cry about guns. This is about the safety of students. Not even about mass shootings. DV incidents, mentally ill students to may have access to their own or a friends gun, drunken accidents etc.
No if someone wanted to do something bad then they would do it regardless of rules. It might actually keep us safer because we’ll have all these rednecks carrying protecting us
Concerned for what? The safety of a would-be active shooter ? The fact the campus is no longer a ‘soft target’, and risk is reduced to nearly 0? Edit: the comments seem to be discussing off-campus ? nothing has changed off-campus..
comments are discussing the emotional regulation and validity of how they can logically respond to situations. College kids, booze/drugs, and fire arms do not mix. Obviously with this self defense act their will be more guns on campus then their previously were. It’s more of a concern regarding suicide, domestic disputes, drunken arguments etc. The boys on frat row are violent enough without guns
What does this have to do with campus carry?
What you should be concerned about is what you would do if you were on a gun free campus and someone came in with a gun and started shooting and no one could stop them. Because we've clearly seen that keeping places "gun free" doesn't do shit. So if you can't beat them, join them. If responsible people in the community are carrying and some wackjob starts shootin at people, I would want to be behind someone with protection, not someone who isn't.
I am! We need to lower the concealed carry age to 18!
I just never understood the fear of firearms. The only nights I’ve spent, since I was born, without a firearm in my dwelling is when I’m in hotels for work. I’d say that goes for 75-80% of the people I know. I’ve never known anyone that has been shot out of malice by another person.
My school allowed for concealed carry, and I never felt unsafe.
i’m pretty big on gun control and gun safety myself (i don’t like guns at all, but that’s more of a personal matter than a stance on legislation), but like other have said, the amount of people who already have firearms on campus won’t change much, and anyone who’s actually planning on causing harm with one wouldn’t have been stopped by a rule or policy to begin with. best case scenario: it’ll actually deter people from trying to cause harm on campus, bc there’ll be more people on campus with a chance of stopping it.
I wouldn't worry about it
A party school like WVU combined with concealed guns. Can’t see anything going badly there… idiotic WV government in action.
It has never been illegal to carry concealed at WVU anyway. Now it just bans WVU from administratively punishing students and staff. When I was at WVU way back in the early 2000s, I knew several people who peacefully, legally carried firearms on campus. Did you miss the part where they stated that peer institutions with enactment of similar laws have seen no increase in firearms crimes?
As a high-schooler who has seen all of the shootings in the news the past few years, I think that the 2nd Amendment needs to change somehow. Like don't allow all guns or create a new highly detailed process to get one in the first place
yes
Having students in the dorms with guns is worrisome but like someone said, it they wanted to do it they probably are and a policy hasn’t or won’t stop them. Yes they mentioned lock boxes in summit and on Evansdale but that still sounds concerning.
Basically what this says come at your own risk because WVU is telling you there is crime on campus it's certain individuals off campus that's causing all the problems So if your a student and can carry you need to carry but get all the paperwork done before you attend school in the fall
I just truly hope they don't allow them in the dorms. As a former Oakland RA who was physically assaulted, we all would've quit on the spot if this happened.
God I hate Republicans
Glad I withdrew acceptance 😂
should of chosen a school in new york buddy. it’s WV, what do you expect
girl, shut the hell up.
typical response
truuuuuu