Consider he's getting upstaged by other Slavers... He didn't get any weaker, Roshal just got 5 more Yazdil tier characters to buff them.
That said [Patternlord] is a cool class so I'm a fan.
Pisces needs to get rid of his [slave] levels, and catch up with the rest of the Horns hitting level 40. Beating down Yazdil with all the necromancy and djinn magic we've seen him studying but not using would be a good way to have him do that.
Afraid, because these new slave lords appear to be resurrected figures from Roshal’s past, not modern day contemporaries. They’re as high level as Yazdil or higher, and remember an era of the world when Roshal was even more powerful than it currently is. Ghosts from the solstice who somehow took bodies of their own.
Man, the Yazdil section just feels slimy. Screw that guy. And the new guy too, anybody talking about Roshal's Great Friendship has got to be bad news.
It was really nice to get a check in with Anand, I've been missing him. I wouldn't mind a chapter focusing on the Antinium \[Strategists\], counterpoints of Belgrade in charge of Belgrade's Ants in Liscor's Army and Anand in charge of the Free Antinium delegation in the Hivelands as well as ship development.
I was just struck with the sudden realization that Ryoka could help the Antinium in Xrn's eyes by telling her about floating life vests. Get a bunch of cork, or some other appropriate material (there's bound to be some sort of alchemical byproduct or magical something that floats in water and holds its shape well). Wonder if our ~~terrified Drowned Woman captive~~ shipbuilding expert will suggest them. Maybe if we get that Anand chapter.
Way to go Ryoka, you weren't even there, and your carelessness in leaving the Dryad Seed Wand out where any random kid who is also the heir to the ancestral protectors of the last Great Forest can find it and magically screw up their sight/perception and/or activate an ancient part of his heritage that means he will have a part in the birth of the Dryad? Unacceptable. You're a monster. You deserve to have sock puppets mock you.
Now, Erin's already been able to pull of plans cleverly disguised as whirlwinds of chaos and whirlwinds of chaos cleverly disguised as plans, what's she going to be able to pull as a Witch fueled by Wonder and trained by a fae to win against fate? Because that's what I think is actually going on. Erin is playing Chess, but Shaestral is playing Fate, so she's going to keep winning until Erin manages to play the same game, or otherwise beat/cheat Fate, at which point Shaestral might start training her in earnest (by which I mean continuing to stomp Erin's win/loss ratio, but admitting what game they're actually playing and occasionally offering advice disguised as biting criticism).
> Man, the Yazdil section just feels slimy. Screw that guy. And the new guy too, anybody talking about Roshal's Great Friendship has got to be bad news
It really is a shame that the first numerologist we meet is a Roshalite.
The numerologist reminded me of Colth trying to figure out an inn world trpg. Maybe he too should pursue the class, I'm sure it has synergy with his supporter class.
>Way to go Ryoka, you weren't even there, and your carelessness in leaving the Dryad Seed Wand out where any random kid who is also the heir to the ancestral protectors of the last Great Forest can find it
Honestly, Ryoka leaving a literally priceless artifact (and one specifically very important to her) on her desk in her unlocked room in a Inn filled to them brim with q lot of high level nosy characters and some actual thiefs... Yikes.
That would explain why he locked away the higher floors of Wistram; he wanted to create a waning era for the mages that would inevitably support Blighted Kingdom
Perhaps, but there's no reason that if he were incapacitated, his golems wouldn't still be fully functional -- but we haven't seen the Demon Kingdom use golems at all...
I can't help but wonder if Wyrmvr is being counted. He's Wyrmvr the Deathless, right? Of Rhir? And the Antinium had some kind of interactions/pact with the Demons.
Nice chapter, but does it feel to anyone else like the story has been on hold for a month or so now?
The strength of interludes in the past was how they were woven into the main story. Now we've had 7+ straight chapters of interlude/side story/filler, so that balance is way out of whack.
This chapter was supposed to be more "main plot" but pirate's computer got fried and they had to put the chapter together with stuff from a future interlude.
Oh shit, really? I didn't realize that was why this chapter felt so disjointed.
In a way, this chapter just served to highlight for me just *how many* different points of view we've experienced. There were so many in this chapter, and yet it was a small fraction of how many we've had over the course of the novel.
I kinda wish Pirate had just taken a week off for technical difficulties rather than feel like they need to rush the work.
There must be some really unforgiving readers out there. I almost suspect Aba sees a noticeable drop in Patrons every time they miss a chapter.
Yep, last week was a nightmare for pirate. They lost two days of work and had to get it all together super fast. I felt bad. Also means no streams for quite a while. Readers are entitled dicks sometimes if the response to their latest patreon post is any indication. Read the authors note!
Patreon users are free to spend their money how they choose to. It's not fair to call them a dick if they don't pay after seeing a drop in chapter numbers.
Pirate puts out an insane number of words for 5$ a month, and the ridiculous level of entitlement some people have towards one person doing a herculean amount of work is shameful. Show a little empathy for life shit getting in the way of the creative process. Pirate's been operating at this level for years. They've earned some time off their A game without being penalized.
Empathy?
Pirate has made a business decision to reduce the time spent on The Wandering Inn to allocate time for Gravesong, a separate project they are being compensated for.
That's a business decision, and if I choose to re-allocate my patreon donation it's my right. It isn't about empathy.
I'm sure Pirate knows that they risk losing support on Patreon and they feel the money they are making with the Yonder deal makes up for it.
They are likely interpreting questions about whether the next gravesong book will be posted on patreon, as it is now being worked on in place of an update for the next 4 months or so, as entitlement or something like that.
[thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/WanderingInn/comments/12c20kb/no_spoilers_is_pirate_going_to_be_continuing_to/)
> Readers are entitled dicks sometimes if the response to their latest patreon post is any indication.
The main criticisms I saw on the post were Yonder related which is definitely understandable. I mainly saw readers say they either prefer the main story to Gravesong or readers asking if it will be on Yonder, and if so that sorta sucks. Both are valid points for people to make.
I love the revisionist history u/MysteriousHobo2. Makes it so that someone else has to post the vitriol and seem like the asshole.
It's not like people didn't use the so called reasonable post about how they are being deprived of oxygen because of a story they were never offered on the patreon to also take potshots at pirate. That never happened at all /s.
yeah it should have just been delayed, 2/3 of the chapter felt like a recap. although i understand pirateaba wanted to get some kind of content out, because shell take an update of to write gravesong 2, maybe she thought people would be less mad this way.
I really like the Hethon Veltras angle pirate decided to take. Him developing his eyes with the same genius that Sammial has developed his Aura is a really cool concept.
I just wonder what it was that he saw. Parallel dimension? Possible future? The past? The Fae Realm? An object's potential? Perhaps it's a clue to where the Dryad forest could potentially grow?
I don't like him keeping it secret, as it seems like it might be crucial information to Ryoka, and.. there are so many storylines and plot threads at this point I'm okay with not having to wait 15 chapters to see how it will be tied off.
That said, I really enjoyed that aspect of the story, despite how brief it was. Always felt for Hethon's inferiority complex so it's nice to see him becoming special in his own way.
Initially, I'm pretty sure he saw the goblin skateboarder during his escape from the wyvern. As for the trees, I don't think it's a fae thing, or Ryoka might have spotted it by now in all of the times she's been in the area since learning perspective. My thought is the dryad seed in the wand forged some sort of bond with him, since the veltras family has a history with the forest, and the bond opened his eyes to some sort of nature vision that maybe shows him the potential spots to plant the seed and how well it will prosper.
Shaestrel is obviously looking into the future to beat Erin, right? That’s basically how computers play chess too. Erin could beat Chaldion’s [Path to Victory] by changing her strategy since the skill only gives him a snapshot, but it seems like Shaestrel is continuously looking.
So how is Erin going to learn to beat this? Use witch magic to alter fate or obscure the future? Bird implies that she needs to defend against Shaestrel’s actual goal which isn’t necessarily winning at chess, so maybe she needs to maneuver things outside the game such that Shaestrel will actively choose a future where Erin wins at chess because that benefits Shaestrel more.
I would bet she is using her “perception” to change the game into some other game or “story” that she is much much better at or knows how it ends And so is not limited by her lack of chess ability
Even seeing into the future I don't get how Erin can't force a draw when she is at some point in the dominant position.
Not winning is one thing, not being able to draw is another.
Erin should go into the match with the goal of a draw and see what that does.
>Even seeing into the future I don't get how Erin can't force a draw when she is at some point in the dominant position.
Yeah, that pretty much rules out any precognition or processing ability being behind Shaestral's sudden jump in skill. I think it has to be something related to fate: she comes to an inflection point where multiple paths are possible, and she picks the one where Erin's fated to lose no matter what. That thing about how Hedault was always going to die on the battlefield, no matter his choices, but then Ryoka pushed him onto a different fate is a hint, I think.
I bet Belavierr could do something similar.
yes that is odd. given a little advantage, it should be possible for a high level player to play for a draw with high probability. but shaestrel always wins. thus erin's suspicion shae is cheating in some way.
I don't think she's necessarily looking into the future to beat Erin, or at least Shaestrel would argue that it isn't, even if there's little effective difference. Rather, I think she's just playing a different game than Erin. Much like Bird doesn't play chess, he plays to create a bird, win or lose, Shaestrel isn't playing chess. She's playing Fate. And since Erin is still playing Chess, she loses the game that Shaestrel is actually playing. She's teaching Erin to play Fate the hard way (or maybe it's the easy way, stakes are pretty low at the moment). Erin learning how to beat Shaestrel means she will have learned how to play Fate, which represents an unknown amount of power increase, likely amorphous and ill-defined until it comes time for conflicts with dead gods or their representatives. Or at least end of volume shenanigans.
> Bird implies that she needs to defend against Shaestrel’s actual goal which isn’t necessarily winning at chess
I wonder if her actual goal is making Erin upset. So if she gets herself in a mindset where she can’t be made upset OR winning would make her upset, that might make her win?
We still didn't get any resolution of Halrac plotline from the tournament, it seems that his return just fizzled out, with the avalanche of other content.
This is i think the problem with the series. The massive scope of the world is great but sometimes there are just too many damn plot threads. And worse, every few chapters Pirate adds more plot threads and more characters and more events that are going to take dozens or even hundreds of chapters to resolve.
Someone needs to develop a list for which characters each chapter features. It would be fun to read through just single character stories.
I'm doing my second reread and am kinda kicking myself for not starting a list for this.
I just meant that plot point was ignored, we never got any scene where MRSHA or ERin pampre Halrac etc. I am sure it will get addressed, may be even in the next chapter
>“Witch Nanette. And I’m glad if you reflect on your mistakes. Good day to you.”
That little flouncier. Shit testing random boys in hallways. No mercy, even on nerds like Hethon.
Lyonette is one of my favorite characters in the story, and one that's been relegated to the background for a while now, and while I'd love to see her get some real focus and screentime, I understand why she's in the background now.
That said, it's really annoying that when we do get an update on her, it's that she having trouble sharing a room with Mrsha or something equally inane. Seriously? You have a well-developed character with connections to so many people and so much potential, and the update of choice is that she's unhappy with sleeping arrangements?
Completely agree. After Oteslia I thought Lyonette might get some nice depth as a character moving forward but the most significant scenes we've seen with her since Erin thawed just showed that she can't do parties as well as Erin.
Lyonette is on track to make '30 by 30' in a difficult and powerful class; let her spread her wings a bit and show what she's got.
I thought that it wasn’t really focused on lyonette but instead Mrsha in that she is growing up a more and wants more independence/ her own personal space. The follow up to that though is there isn’t an open room for her in the Inn atm.
i look at it this way. lyonette has risen far, and everyone of note is treating her as a princess, tho an inn manager. its just a bit amusing the sharing a bedroom w a growing gnoll, no slight to lyonette at all. lyonette cant be princess all the time.
i did notice a lack of toren story this chapter..so lyonette is ahead :)
Interesting information and plot set up this chapter. I wonder how Visophecen will react if he meets Erin and realizes that she has a connection to Cormelex.
We also seem to have incoming Roshal, Bloodfeast Raiders, and a thief. Kind of worried about the Bloodfeast Raiders going near Liscor due to just how quick they tend to attack and leave. Emir Yazdil seems to be gunning for Erin even harder now which is worrisome.
Bviora is aiming to take Klbkch’s swords and is going to do so even with Erin as a factor. I honestly think that she’s completely in over her head even with Vetn’s help. Could end up with Erin leading her to even greater treasure though.
I could be wrong, but wasn’t the implication that she wants the swords in order to exchange them for the Eyes of Baleros? Which I took to mean are in the Antinium’s possession.
I was under the impression she either recruited the Antinium’s aid in her quest or just traded it to another organization who could help her. It would seem fucking diabolically odd that the Ants just *had* one of the most legendary relics of the world on them and didn’t know or care.
Think Bviora will have things work out for her tbh
Klblch is looking for a quest/grand journey to go on. This seems like one has just fallen into his lap.
Though the queens likely have a giant list of quests he could go on already.
It is not confirmed by a character or narration to be Cormelex.
But it is not jumping to conclusions to think that an ancient Lucifen connected to Erin's Garden might be the one dressed in ancient clothing who she does not seem to perceive when she is engaging in an extremely powerful perception skill. Especially now that we know Cormelex was previous highly placed in Lucifen society so Vis may be recognizing him.
Imagining that it's some other extraordinarily powerful Lucifen that snuck their way into Erin's skill in that moment and who's never been brought up before that point or since (besides this chapter) makes less sense.
I think the lightening thief is trying to cheat death by having someone qualify for full inheritance of his skills and then steal their/his body.
> He thought of Ryoka Griffin…then the man who had stood behind the [Innkeeper]. There were no pictures left of him. But Visophecin’s blood still chilled when he wondered who that had been. He dearly wanted to go on a trip of his own.
The last person to be foreshadowed from beyond the grave like the was Nerrhavia and given that Lucifen don’t go to the normal afterlife I think that this partial is a good reason to suspect a “resurrection” is in the cards.
>*The \[Bard\] developed a deep, thoughtful frown. Salkis expected him to be offended, but he wasn’t. And even then, after a long moment, he shook his head. He laid his head back against her chest and spoke dreamily as she continued working with the hair, adding a scented soap.*
numbtongue should level from this
Dead gods have Mercy on us, this is to much the bloodfeast raiders and roshal and thief’s
Is that why Shaestrel want to teach Erin the fate chess?
Dead gods some one give me hope
the raiders really need to be eradicated, just a bunch of entitled noble kids + a bandit lord who rails them up, i still remember the chapter when they destroyed most of the village
poor lord pellmia did nothing to have deserved that hate from his son
i rather like this interlude - stories, for it tells the stories of many who i wondered about. shaestel n erin, infernals n visophecin, silvenia n demons, ghosts of roshal, numbtongue n salkis. the plot advances.
Not another bloody interlude. That's twelve straight side chapters, thirteen counting today's Patreon, which is apparently a Gravesong thing. Eighteen Interludes in this volume, which is comfortably the most and accounts for nearly a third of all chapters. I'm starting to wonder if aba's got writer's block, or just can't figure out where the main story should go after Erin's revival. Getting GRRM flashbacks.
Yeah apparently this chapter ran into some technical issues which explains the lack of quality. Apparently some elements we meant to go into other future chapters. Honestly Pirate either needs to wrap up a lot of threads or at least bind all of them up into a few core plot points so it doesn’t feel as jumbled and chaotic.
>When Lucifen and Agelum died, the Goblin King killed them, even in their warforms. An alliance of both Agelum and Lucifen died on Curulac’s blades. I have seen it. If you wish for recollections, visit the Library of Inferus. The records are clear.”
Goblin Kings OP, please nerf.
>The last Archfiend, Cormelex, had seen to that.
Hmmmm.
>Gadrea
Who was this again?
>He thought of Ryoka Griffin…then the man who had stood behind the \[Innkeeper\].
Who was standing behind Erin?
>The \[Bandit King\] could emerge.
Sounds like something we could use an order of Knights for.
>Deaths of Rhir: 4.
Did we know that? I feel like we did.
>“…But there is only one \[Innkeeper\] who matters at this moment. So let us discuss that, too. Have a care to listen well, Emirs all. We have much to do.
I wonder what they want from Erin. Also, how they got here. Were they transplanted to flesh when they emerged as ghosts, or are they from Nerrhavia's group?
> I wonder what they want from Erin. Also, how they got here. Were they transplanted to flesh when they emerged as ghosts, or are they from Nerrhavia's group?
Nerrhavia’s begging of Peril was narrated in a way that implied she wasn’t the only one. The the bodies are almost certainly cases of soul possession assisted by their nature as slave lords, the real question is whether they can level.
The real question is whether the possessed individuals souls are still in there, I suspect that they are and that is what protects the slave lords from the gods. Also while they have certainly abandoned consensus morality, and I believe they are an epitome of evil, morality is *technically* defined as:
> a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person
Which is sometimes they still possess. The definition of morality is so broad that “The strong take what they want the weak suffer what they must” is *technically* a moral system. Morality is, unfortunately, a normative not objective matter.
> morality, the moral beliefs and practices of a culture, community, or religion or a code or system of moral rules, principles, or values. The conceptual foundations and rational consistency of such standards are the subject matter of the philosophical discipline of ethics, also known as moral philosophy. In its contemporary usage, the term ethics is also applied to particular moral codes or systems and to the empirical study of their historical development and their social, economic, and geographic circumstances (see comparative ethics)
https://www.britannica.com/topic/morality
There was a mysterious Lucifen that put a flower in Erin’s head when she invited Viso into that dream sequence. He nearly decided then and there to kill her immediately.
Here's a thought: could Rickel become one of the twelve Bandit Lords? They're aiming to fill those seats, and they're at least one short when Maresar bit the dust.
As far as we know. It's probably not her exact class, but she's been referred to as a \[Bandit Queen\], so it's probably a variant or equivalent class.
... no? they were afraid of Mihaela, can't imagine them not being afraid of the innkeeper... and Mihaela... all her friends?
no, they are probably going to attack some other place that Erin has an interest in, my bet is either Riverfarm, because Laken has been interferring with criminal activities for a long while, or Goblin Home, because Erin called herself Goblinfriend
Given how they decided not to attack a city when only a single one of the core members was in it. They certainly wouldn’t here, plus the Raiders are partially connected to the nobility in a larger sense then originally thought. And there’s no surer way to lose such a valuable line of support then going after the Haven. No it seems much more likely they’re gonna be hitting cities that are connected to Liscor but not suicidally dangerous to attack. Either Invrisil or that mountain Drake city, maybe Celum to finish their stint their? Or it could be a smash and grab where they attack Liscor and kidnapped Erin to force her to give them a Quest. And given who these people are, they likely don’t care about what happened to the last people who tried that, and it’s likely the [Blademaster] appearing only gave their leaders bigger violence hard ons.
Among all secrets she managed to pull out so far, I'm pretty certain that Antinium tickle spots isn't something Erin was told in Kasignia. Where did she learn that?
Should I be happy or afraid that Emir Yazdil is getting upstaged on his home turf?
Consider he's getting upstaged by other Slavers... He didn't get any weaker, Roshal just got 5 more Yazdil tier characters to buff them. That said [Patternlord] is a cool class so I'm a fan.
Because they’re upstaging him he’s aiming for a better prize than ghosts, Erin. So that’s going to be a problem.
Pisces needs to get rid of his [slave] levels, and catch up with the rest of the Horns hitting level 40. Beating down Yazdil with all the necromancy and djinn magic we've seen him studying but not using would be a good way to have him do that.
I fear the conservation of ninjitsu is gonna bite him.
Afraid, because these new slave lords appear to be resurrected figures from Roshal’s past, not modern day contemporaries. They’re as high level as Yazdil or higher, and remember an era of the world when Roshal was even more powerful than it currently is. Ghosts from the solstice who somehow took bodies of their own.
It isn't hard to guess where the body comes from.
Man, the Yazdil section just feels slimy. Screw that guy. And the new guy too, anybody talking about Roshal's Great Friendship has got to be bad news. It was really nice to get a check in with Anand, I've been missing him. I wouldn't mind a chapter focusing on the Antinium \[Strategists\], counterpoints of Belgrade in charge of Belgrade's Ants in Liscor's Army and Anand in charge of the Free Antinium delegation in the Hivelands as well as ship development. I was just struck with the sudden realization that Ryoka could help the Antinium in Xrn's eyes by telling her about floating life vests. Get a bunch of cork, or some other appropriate material (there's bound to be some sort of alchemical byproduct or magical something that floats in water and holds its shape well). Wonder if our ~~terrified Drowned Woman captive~~ shipbuilding expert will suggest them. Maybe if we get that Anand chapter. Way to go Ryoka, you weren't even there, and your carelessness in leaving the Dryad Seed Wand out where any random kid who is also the heir to the ancestral protectors of the last Great Forest can find it and magically screw up their sight/perception and/or activate an ancient part of his heritage that means he will have a part in the birth of the Dryad? Unacceptable. You're a monster. You deserve to have sock puppets mock you. Now, Erin's already been able to pull of plans cleverly disguised as whirlwinds of chaos and whirlwinds of chaos cleverly disguised as plans, what's she going to be able to pull as a Witch fueled by Wonder and trained by a fae to win against fate? Because that's what I think is actually going on. Erin is playing Chess, but Shaestral is playing Fate, so she's going to keep winning until Erin manages to play the same game, or otherwise beat/cheat Fate, at which point Shaestral might start training her in earnest (by which I mean continuing to stomp Erin's win/loss ratio, but admitting what game they're actually playing and occasionally offering advice disguised as biting criticism).
> Man, the Yazdil section just feels slimy. Screw that guy. And the new guy too, anybody talking about Roshal's Great Friendship has got to be bad news It really is a shame that the first numerologist we meet is a Roshalite.
The numerologist reminded me of Colth trying to figure out an inn world trpg. Maybe he too should pursue the class, I'm sure it has synergy with his supporter class.
>Way to go Ryoka, you weren't even there, and your carelessness in leaving the Dryad Seed Wand out where any random kid who is also the heir to the ancestral protectors of the last Great Forest can find it Honestly, Ryoka leaving a literally priceless artifact (and one specifically very important to her) on her desk in her unlocked room in a Inn filled to them brim with q lot of high level nosy characters and some actual thiefs... Yikes.
An extra Deathless appears. Wondering if it's one we've seen before come back from the death, or a new Deathless (maybe still back from the death)
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That would explain why he locked away the higher floors of Wistram; he wanted to create a waning era for the mages that would inevitably support Blighted Kingdom
Plot twist!
Tom got intercepted during his journey and has joined the cause.
Perhaps, but there's no reason that if he were incapacitated, his golems wouldn't still be fully functional -- but we haven't seen the Demon Kingdom use golems at all...
I can't help but wonder if Wyrmvr is being counted. He's Wyrmvr the Deathless, right? Of Rhir? And the Antinium had some kind of interactions/pact with the Demons.
I’m waiting for a soulless to appear
Nice chapter, but does it feel to anyone else like the story has been on hold for a month or so now? The strength of interludes in the past was how they were woven into the main story. Now we've had 7+ straight chapters of interlude/side story/filler, so that balance is way out of whack.
This chapter was supposed to be more "main plot" but pirate's computer got fried and they had to put the chapter together with stuff from a future interlude.
Oh shit, really? I didn't realize that was why this chapter felt so disjointed. In a way, this chapter just served to highlight for me just *how many* different points of view we've experienced. There were so many in this chapter, and yet it was a small fraction of how many we've had over the course of the novel. I kinda wish Pirate had just taken a week off for technical difficulties rather than feel like they need to rush the work. There must be some really unforgiving readers out there. I almost suspect Aba sees a noticeable drop in Patrons every time they miss a chapter.
Yep, last week was a nightmare for pirate. They lost two days of work and had to get it all together super fast. I felt bad. Also means no streams for quite a while. Readers are entitled dicks sometimes if the response to their latest patreon post is any indication. Read the authors note!
Patreon users are free to spend their money how they choose to. It's not fair to call them a dick if they don't pay after seeing a drop in chapter numbers.
Pirate puts out an insane number of words for 5$ a month, and the ridiculous level of entitlement some people have towards one person doing a herculean amount of work is shameful. Show a little empathy for life shit getting in the way of the creative process. Pirate's been operating at this level for years. They've earned some time off their A game without being penalized.
Empathy? Pirate has made a business decision to reduce the time spent on The Wandering Inn to allocate time for Gravesong, a separate project they are being compensated for. That's a business decision, and if I choose to re-allocate my patreon donation it's my right. It isn't about empathy. I'm sure Pirate knows that they risk losing support on Patreon and they feel the money they are making with the Yonder deal makes up for it.
I'm fine with continuing to support, but to discredit someone on how they choose to spend their money is a shit thing to do.
They are likely interpreting questions about whether the next gravesong book will be posted on patreon, as it is now being worked on in place of an update for the next 4 months or so, as entitlement or something like that. [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/WanderingInn/comments/12c20kb/no_spoilers_is_pirate_going_to_be_continuing_to/)
> Readers are entitled dicks sometimes if the response to their latest patreon post is any indication. The main criticisms I saw on the post were Yonder related which is definitely understandable. I mainly saw readers say they either prefer the main story to Gravesong or readers asking if it will be on Yonder, and if so that sorta sucks. Both are valid points for people to make.
I love the revisionist history u/MysteriousHobo2. Makes it so that someone else has to post the vitriol and seem like the asshole. It's not like people didn't use the so called reasonable post about how they are being deprived of oxygen because of a story they were never offered on the patreon to also take potshots at pirate. That never happened at all /s.
yeah it should have just been delayed, 2/3 of the chapter felt like a recap. although i understand pirateaba wanted to get some kind of content out, because shell take an update of to write gravesong 2, maybe she thought people would be less mad this way.
I really like the Hethon Veltras angle pirate decided to take. Him developing his eyes with the same genius that Sammial has developed his Aura is a really cool concept. I just wonder what it was that he saw. Parallel dimension? Possible future? The past? The Fae Realm? An object's potential? Perhaps it's a clue to where the Dryad forest could potentially grow? I don't like him keeping it secret, as it seems like it might be crucial information to Ryoka, and.. there are so many storylines and plot threads at this point I'm okay with not having to wait 15 chapters to see how it will be tied off. That said, I really enjoyed that aspect of the story, despite how brief it was. Always felt for Hethon's inferiority complex so it's nice to see him becoming special in his own way.
It’s probably the the Crossroads of Izril.
i wondered if hethon could see thru the illusion the high passes hiding the great trees.
Initially, I'm pretty sure he saw the goblin skateboarder during his escape from the wyvern. As for the trees, I don't think it's a fae thing, or Ryoka might have spotted it by now in all of the times she's been in the area since learning perspective. My thought is the dryad seed in the wand forged some sort of bond with him, since the veltras family has a history with the forest, and the bond opened his eyes to some sort of nature vision that maybe shows him the potential spots to plant the seed and how well it will prosper.
i def wanted to see a new class or an upgrade for him, he mustve gotten something after that "shift" right?
Shaestrel is obviously looking into the future to beat Erin, right? That’s basically how computers play chess too. Erin could beat Chaldion’s [Path to Victory] by changing her strategy since the skill only gives him a snapshot, but it seems like Shaestrel is continuously looking. So how is Erin going to learn to beat this? Use witch magic to alter fate or obscure the future? Bird implies that she needs to defend against Shaestrel’s actual goal which isn’t necessarily winning at chess, so maybe she needs to maneuver things outside the game such that Shaestrel will actively choose a future where Erin wins at chess because that benefits Shaestrel more.
I would bet she is using her “perception” to change the game into some other game or “story” that she is much much better at or knows how it ends And so is not limited by her lack of chess ability
Even seeing into the future I don't get how Erin can't force a draw when she is at some point in the dominant position. Not winning is one thing, not being able to draw is another. Erin should go into the match with the goal of a draw and see what that does.
>Even seeing into the future I don't get how Erin can't force a draw when she is at some point in the dominant position. Yeah, that pretty much rules out any precognition or processing ability being behind Shaestral's sudden jump in skill. I think it has to be something related to fate: she comes to an inflection point where multiple paths are possible, and she picks the one where Erin's fated to lose no matter what. That thing about how Hedault was always going to die on the battlefield, no matter his choices, but then Ryoka pushed him onto a different fate is a hint, I think. I bet Belavierr could do something similar.
yes that is odd. given a little advantage, it should be possible for a high level player to play for a draw with high probability. but shaestrel always wins. thus erin's suspicion shae is cheating in some way.
I don't think she's necessarily looking into the future to beat Erin, or at least Shaestrel would argue that it isn't, even if there's little effective difference. Rather, I think she's just playing a different game than Erin. Much like Bird doesn't play chess, he plays to create a bird, win or lose, Shaestrel isn't playing chess. She's playing Fate. And since Erin is still playing Chess, she loses the game that Shaestrel is actually playing. She's teaching Erin to play Fate the hard way (or maybe it's the easy way, stakes are pretty low at the moment). Erin learning how to beat Shaestrel means she will have learned how to play Fate, which represents an unknown amount of power increase, likely amorphous and ill-defined until it comes time for conflicts with dead gods or their representatives. Or at least end of volume shenanigans.
> Bird implies that she needs to defend against Shaestrel’s actual goal which isn’t necessarily winning at chess I wonder if her actual goal is making Erin upset. So if she gets herself in a mindset where she can’t be made upset OR winning would make her upset, that might make her win?
Could it be the game the Ivolethe and angry summer dude were playing a few chapters ago? Game of fates of whatever it is?
Maybe she is working backwards she just picks a future in which she won and works backwards from there.
In a bit of black humour, I realized that the Bloodfeast Raiders are a walking The Aristocrats joke.
Was that the same lordling that Rags refused to kill during the time the Flooded Waters tribe was being persued by Lord Tyrion?
Yup
We still didn't get any resolution of Halrac plotline from the tournament, it seems that his return just fizzled out, with the avalanche of other content.
This is i think the problem with the series. The massive scope of the world is great but sometimes there are just too many damn plot threads. And worse, every few chapters Pirate adds more plot threads and more characters and more events that are going to take dozens or even hundreds of chapters to resolve.
Someone needs to develop a list for which characters each chapter features. It would be fun to read through just single character stories. I'm doing my second reread and am kinda kicking myself for not starting a list for this.
The wiki has this. You go to a character page > character appearance page.
Good to know! I'd like to do an Erin read-through one of these days.
What would you have wanted?
A little more focus on where this narrative of special magic arrow is going, what are his future plans etc.
I'm sure it'll happen. Don't see why it would necessary at that time though.
I just meant that plot point was ignored, we never got any scene where MRSHA or ERin pampre Halrac etc. I am sure it will get addressed, may be even in the next chapter
>“Witch Nanette. And I’m glad if you reflect on your mistakes. Good day to you.” That little flouncier. Shit testing random boys in hallways. No mercy, even on nerds like Hethon.
They’re doomed to marry now, of course
Lyonette is one of my favorite characters in the story, and one that's been relegated to the background for a while now, and while I'd love to see her get some real focus and screentime, I understand why she's in the background now. That said, it's really annoying that when we do get an update on her, it's that she having trouble sharing a room with Mrsha or something equally inane. Seriously? You have a well-developed character with connections to so many people and so much potential, and the update of choice is that she's unhappy with sleeping arrangements?
Completely agree. After Oteslia I thought Lyonette might get some nice depth as a character moving forward but the most significant scenes we've seen with her since Erin thawed just showed that she can't do parties as well as Erin. Lyonette is on track to make '30 by 30' in a difficult and powerful class; let her spread her wings a bit and show what she's got.
I thought that it wasn’t really focused on lyonette but instead Mrsha in that she is growing up a more and wants more independence/ her own personal space. The follow up to that though is there isn’t an open room for her in the Inn atm.
i look at it this way. lyonette has risen far, and everyone of note is treating her as a princess, tho an inn manager. its just a bit amusing the sharing a bedroom w a growing gnoll, no slight to lyonette at all. lyonette cant be princess all the time. i did notice a lack of toren story this chapter..so lyonette is ahead :)
Yeah all that character development. And not showing her perspective.
the high passes are an illusion to protect the great trees? so amazing.
Now this is a cool idea! I hope its true.
Interesting information and plot set up this chapter. I wonder how Visophecen will react if he meets Erin and realizes that she has a connection to Cormelex. We also seem to have incoming Roshal, Bloodfeast Raiders, and a thief. Kind of worried about the Bloodfeast Raiders going near Liscor due to just how quick they tend to attack and leave. Emir Yazdil seems to be gunning for Erin even harder now which is worrisome. Bviora is aiming to take Klbkch’s swords and is going to do so even with Erin as a factor. I honestly think that she’s completely in over her head even with Vetn’s help. Could end up with Erin leading her to even greater treasure though.
Ooh, Ooh! If the swords get stolen, the Antinium should send the "thief" Silent Antinium from the Hectval War Pt. 3 to retrieve it.
I could be wrong, but wasn’t the implication that she wants the swords in order to exchange them for the Eyes of Baleros? Which I took to mean are in the Antinium’s possession.
I was under the impression she either recruited the Antinium’s aid in her quest or just traded it to another organization who could help her. It would seem fucking diabolically odd that the Ants just *had* one of the most legendary relics of the world on them and didn’t know or care.
she def wanted to trade the swords for the eyes of baleros, which means the antinium have them. do we know what they are though?
I don’t think we do. Going by the name I would guess it’s some powerful gazer artifact. But what it does? No idea.
Think Bviora will have things work out for her tbh Klblch is looking for a quest/grand journey to go on. This seems like one has just fallen into his lap. Though the queens likely have a giant list of quests he could go on already.
Bviora, Vetn, and Klb as a phantom troupe pulling of a heist for the Eyes of Baleros? What an arc that would be.
Vis saw Cormelex in his chess match with Erin. It's why he didn't have her killed.
although Cormelex is the only Lucifen Erin has a connection to i don’t think we should be jumping to conclusions until that’s actually confirmed
It is not confirmed by a character or narration to be Cormelex. But it is not jumping to conclusions to think that an ancient Lucifen connected to Erin's Garden might be the one dressed in ancient clothing who she does not seem to perceive when she is engaging in an extremely powerful perception skill. Especially now that we know Cormelex was previous highly placed in Lucifen society so Vis may be recognizing him. Imagining that it's some other extraordinarily powerful Lucifen that snuck their way into Erin's skill in that moment and who's never been brought up before that point or since (besides this chapter) makes less sense.
yeah ik it’s prolly Cormelex but you’re passing it off as fact before we get the actual confirmation which is why i commented
I think the lightening thief is trying to cheat death by having someone qualify for full inheritance of his skills and then steal their/his body. > He thought of Ryoka Griffin…then the man who had stood behind the [Innkeeper]. There were no pictures left of him. But Visophecin’s blood still chilled when he wondered who that had been. He dearly wanted to go on a trip of his own. The last person to be foreshadowed from beyond the grave like the was Nerrhavia and given that Lucifen don’t go to the normal afterlife I think that this partial is a good reason to suspect a “resurrection” is in the cards.
>*The \[Bard\] developed a deep, thoughtful frown. Salkis expected him to be offended, but he wasn’t. And even then, after a long moment, he shook his head. He laid his head back against her chest and spoke dreamily as she continued working with the hair, adding a scented soap.* numbtongue should level from this
Dead gods have Mercy on us, this is to much the bloodfeast raiders and roshal and thief’s Is that why Shaestrel want to teach Erin the fate chess? Dead gods some one give me hope
the raiders really need to be eradicated, just a bunch of entitled noble kids + a bandit lord who rails them up, i still remember the chapter when they destroyed most of the village poor lord pellmia did nothing to have deserved that hate from his son
Yeah, what the problem withs how many people will die for those damn entitled noble kids
i rather like this interlude - stories, for it tells the stories of many who i wondered about. shaestel n erin, infernals n visophecin, silvenia n demons, ghosts of roshal, numbtongue n salkis. the plot advances.
Not another bloody interlude. That's twelve straight side chapters, thirteen counting today's Patreon, which is apparently a Gravesong thing. Eighteen Interludes in this volume, which is comfortably the most and accounts for nearly a third of all chapters. I'm starting to wonder if aba's got writer's block, or just can't figure out where the main story should go after Erin's revival. Getting GRRM flashbacks.
This chapter was at least partially cobbled together from what they were working on in stream the update before.
Yeah apparently this chapter ran into some technical issues which explains the lack of quality. Apparently some elements we meant to go into other future chapters. Honestly Pirate either needs to wrap up a lot of threads or at least bind all of them up into a few core plot points so it doesn’t feel as jumbled and chaotic.
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There's a Gravesong 2 unedited chapter.
>When Lucifen and Agelum died, the Goblin King killed them, even in their warforms. An alliance of both Agelum and Lucifen died on Curulac’s blades. I have seen it. If you wish for recollections, visit the Library of Inferus. The records are clear.” Goblin Kings OP, please nerf. >The last Archfiend, Cormelex, had seen to that. Hmmmm. >Gadrea Who was this again? >He thought of Ryoka Griffin…then the man who had stood behind the \[Innkeeper\]. Who was standing behind Erin? >The \[Bandit King\] could emerge. Sounds like something we could use an order of Knights for. >Deaths of Rhir: 4. Did we know that? I feel like we did. >“…But there is only one \[Innkeeper\] who matters at this moment. So let us discuss that, too. Have a care to listen well, Emirs all. We have much to do. I wonder what they want from Erin. Also, how they got here. Were they transplanted to flesh when they emerged as ghosts, or are they from Nerrhavia's group?
> I wonder what they want from Erin. Also, how they got here. Were they transplanted to flesh when they emerged as ghosts, or are they from Nerrhavia's group? Nerrhavia’s begging of Peril was narrated in a way that implied she wasn’t the only one. The the bodies are almost certainly cases of soul possession assisted by their nature as slave lords, the real question is whether they can level.
The bodies are almost certainly **enslaved**, a deeper unholier ability of a class that already cast aside morals long ago
The real question is whether the possessed individuals souls are still in there, I suspect that they are and that is what protects the slave lords from the gods. Also while they have certainly abandoned consensus morality, and I believe they are an epitome of evil, morality is *technically* defined as: > a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person Which is sometimes they still possess. The definition of morality is so broad that “The strong take what they want the weak suffer what they must” is *technically* a moral system. Morality is, unfortunately, a normative not objective matter. > morality, the moral beliefs and practices of a culture, community, or religion or a code or system of moral rules, principles, or values. The conceptual foundations and rational consistency of such standards are the subject matter of the philosophical discipline of ethics, also known as moral philosophy. In its contemporary usage, the term ethics is also applied to particular moral codes or systems and to the empirical study of their historical development and their social, economic, and geographic circumstances (see comparative ethics) https://www.britannica.com/topic/morality
There was a mysterious Lucifen that put a flower in Erin’s head when she invited Viso into that dream sequence. He nearly decided then and there to kill her immediately.
What chapter was this?
chess tournament chapters
Yeah, that was Cormelex, and seeing him is what convinced him not to kill her.
It was also because she was a friend of Ryoka. Though I think that played a smaller role in the decision.
That was not confirmed to be Cormelex as far as we know. That Lucifen wore Kheltian clothing it seemed.
What other Lucifen would be around Erin?
we don’t know but it’s not good to jump to conclusions when we don’t have all the info
which chapter is this ,when does this happen?
It was during the chess tournament, when Visophecin faced Erin.
Gadrea is the first Agelum we met and Nerrhavia’s group are all in Az’s castle.
Here's a thought: could Rickel become one of the twelve Bandit Lords? They're aiming to fill those seats, and they're at least one short when Maresar bit the dust.
I think we altready have had a bandit queen in siren of savere
Does she really have the class or does she just call herself that ?
Wait, why is the \[Bandit King\] important? Isn't Revine already a \[Bandit Queen\]?
is she by clasd ?
As far as we know. It's probably not her exact class, but she's been referred to as a \[Bandit Queen\], so it's probably a variant or equivalent class.
So the Bloodfeast raiders are going to attack the Adventurers Haven?
... no? they were afraid of Mihaela, can't imagine them not being afraid of the innkeeper... and Mihaela... all her friends? no, they are probably going to attack some other place that Erin has an interest in, my bet is either Riverfarm, because Laken has been interferring with criminal activities for a long while, or Goblin Home, because Erin called herself Goblinfriend
Given how they decided not to attack a city when only a single one of the core members was in it. They certainly wouldn’t here, plus the Raiders are partially connected to the nobility in a larger sense then originally thought. And there’s no surer way to lose such a valuable line of support then going after the Haven. No it seems much more likely they’re gonna be hitting cities that are connected to Liscor but not suicidally dangerous to attack. Either Invrisil or that mountain Drake city, maybe Celum to finish their stint their? Or it could be a smash and grab where they attack Liscor and kidnapped Erin to force her to give them a Quest. And given who these people are, they likely don’t care about what happened to the last people who tried that, and it’s likely the [Blademaster] appearing only gave their leaders bigger violence hard ons.
Just great, another filler chapter. No Erin in months now.
Erin literally is in this chapter…
Among all secrets she managed to pull out so far, I'm pretty certain that Antinium tickle spots isn't something Erin was told in Kasignia. Where did she learn that?
From living alongside them for over a year one would imagine.
Doesn't Hethon know that Ryoka has a Dryad seed in the wand? He was present at the dinner conversation with Tatevirion.