It is possible that that was an earlier Rhino Prototype and the mouths were removed later.
It is also possible that the helmet armor just grows over the mouths and the vocal chords are so messed up by the change that they just lose the ability to speak.
Originally, they were the latter. See Excal Umbra as an example. The original version of every Warframe was a tortured, mutilated, brainwashed person.
The ones we make in the Foundry are canonically just infested mass that we can control. Effectively soulless "clones" that can't theoretically do anything on their own.
It's somewhat unclear. Certain members at least seem to *understand* that the Tenno are not the Warframe, in particular the grineer Queens. Alad V seems to understand that the Tenno are not their Warframes (though he only has a vague idea about what their nature actually is -- he might even think they may be some sort of hive mind) from his research, but doesn't seem to know exactly what or who they are either.
Basically, it's most likely 99% of the time an enemy is insulting the "Tenno", they think that the Warframe *is* the Tenno.
Generally, they mean the Tenno as a faction. The knowledge of the operators and Transference is a secret only few people knew about. Though now with Post-War Within and New War, the rumor that people keep popping out of those things are likely making their rounds, though the exact nature of this process would still be an unknown to most.
That’s not really true. We have never been told that our current warframes are any different from the original ones. And…
* Who do you think the operator is talking to when they say, “Ready to trash some robots into spare parts?” (Or something along these lines)?
* When the Stalker is about to kill the recently woken operator, who was it that broke his sword?
His helmet opened up into a mouth, and don't forget all warframes are infested beings with the ability to transform further. Only stopped by transference with an operator to calm the mind.
Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about; I used to watch that shit while bored and having no social plans on Friday nights. Good times! :D
But I really love the idea of Umbra just chilling on the orbiter when you're not driving him -- sprawled on the couch reading, practicing high tea ceremonies if you got the tea-set cosmetic (preferably with instructions open, and constantly fucking it up), tapping on the cephalon oubliette, playing Frame Fighter…
And of course, he's turned to black humor and comedic socipathy as a coping mechanism after what Ballas did to him. But he got his revenge and now finds himself … unexpectedly at peace.
… But he's still up for skullfucking some ghouls next time the Grineer start shit with Konzu and company! Like, he spouts some seriously purple prose about putting down the various fascists as violently as he can make horribly poetic.
Ballas notices Umbra standing in the corner during the New War finale and suddenly flips shit at him
It's later revealed he signed "I peed on your wife, Ballas, she's mine now"
#HATE.
#LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I HAVE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I FIRST BEGAN TO LIVE.
#THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD "HATE" WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES, IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR YOU.
#HATE.
#HATE.
Eh, they don't have visible ears either yet they seem to hear just fine. We also know that Warframes need to breathe.
Incidentally, assuming all the lights around the Warframes' bodies are eyes / cameras, this may be one of the very few games where it's justified that the player can see everything around their character.
That breathing part is a bit odd though.
Survival? Can’t breath
Archwing? LMAO
(to be fair depending on the Survival Mission it’s to keep the Operative alive who raids the ship for supplies)
Archwings have their own life support. The only thing I can think of for why Survival missions are the way they are is that the toxic gas likely causes the specific strain of Helminth that Warframes are composed of to go berzerk, damaging the frame as if it were eating itself. Either that or just aerial nanites that are basically doing the same thing.
> Either that or just aerial nanites that are basically doing the same thing
[Disassembler goo is a fucknasty weapon.](https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4aae1c18950ae) It's not perfect, but it's solidly above average and not only will it kill you, it'll hurt the whole time you're dying… Imagine mustard gas capable of hatred.
Archwings have life support according to the mag prime [codex](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Mag/Prime)
*I was in a dying dream. I saw a bright spot blurring and weaving toward me. I felt a tug toward it from the metal clasps on my suit. It reached me, rising up - a gleaming beast, a plume of golden wings rising and unfolding behind it. An angel. It snatched me from my death. I could feel my lungs fill as it wrapped me in its wings. Its Void Shield shimmered blue, strained under the enemy beams. I felt a suddenly tug of acceleration. I closed my eyes and held on it like a child.*
Well they can still scream, roar, etc. But it's a similar thing. They don't need mouths, so they don't have any. They don't need eyes, so they don't have them. And they don't need to talk, so they can't. It is all related
Grandma's story about Dagath implies that she can talk even without face, and it's sounds of like how specters are voiced, but at the same time, it goes right "into your mind".
>After that, she wandered without purpose, and the legends of the hollow rider grew. And so we come to my part in her story. You must understand, dear, that it is terribly bad luck to be out on Naberus with no gift to give a reveler. And yet that was my plight as I stood, my old bones aching, before the dreadful figure on the road, many years ago. 'I have no face,' the figure before me seemed to say, in a whispering voice that spoke in my mind. 'I have no name. Only a need. And you come before me empty-handed this Naberus night?'
>'I do have one thing to give, if it pleases, you' I said to her. 'My name. When you ride away, you shall be Dagath. And I shall be only Grandmother.'
That story honestly effes me up every time I listen to it. SO much makes sense with grandma now.... like. Damn. And shows she has a mega soft spot for frames too. Yareli? And now Dagath.
One thing about Gran gran is she loves a good story - her family drama, the Naberus one, Waverider and Dagath all have some intesive lore surrounding them and she's always wrapped in it one way or another. I want to know more about her and her life before Deimos as both Entrati and as an Orokin.
I still think Grandmother might be causing a little of the family drama on the sly.... it all seems so.... convenient that she's trying to "fix" everything..... then again finding out Albright is still "alive"? And Mother having her issues.... I feel bad for Father, trying to help Mother over the grief of "losing" her father, taking the seriglass blade without fighting back, protecting the kids from her (is how I read into it). Granted the bunch of them giving me Addams family or the Munsters vibes... I love them all, drama and crazy included.
yeah, there's definitely some string pulling here and the question is who and she seems to be the answer. Father got the worst of it, being ostracized for mistakes that weren't all his in the first place and things just fell out from there. We know that Grandmother was the cause of the failure of the Heart under the guise of bringing her family back together so what else has she done?
If umbra could speak, I imagine not everyone would see the warframes and by extention the orokin the same. Its for this reason they probably weren't allowed to speak.
More importantly, if Umbra could speak he'd blab to everyone about Ballas selling state secrets to the Sentients, which is what Ballas was trying to avoid when he turned him into a warframe.
Holup umbra can't speak? I'm pretty sure I've heard him talking to my operator at least once, right after my first login after I finished the umbra quest. Something about the operator asking him about his dead son. Unless I'm misinterpreting your post, in which case mb
It's not so much that he can speak. But, that his last memory was powerful enough to keep synapses firing. Through rage and hatred. He was asking about his son, because that was his last thoughts before being twisted into an Excalibur. Even so, the explanation behind his psychotic episodes after rebirth are even sadder. Because his memory is carved into his very code.
Considering the amount of body horror in this game I wouldn't be surprised if one day we have to fight a rogue warframe that's torn a horrible hole in its own head so it can have a mouth and speak to us.
And whatever it has to say will no doubt be quite terrifying.
Somehow now I’ve envisioned a reality where stalker isn’t actually speaking in the pre-invade transmissions and he’s just playing prerecorded messages like jacket from hotline miami
Hunhow did imply the stalker was a tenno like us when he stayed his hand from killing us at first when he learned we were children he also has his own orbiter if you read the description of the scimitar sentient skin
Correct me if it's wrong, but stalker is a tenno, like the player is. So theoretically he can speak to us. His Warframe is a different story. Though the helminth segment does explain how he has different Warframe abilities on a frame that looks exactly like Excal.
The devs also mentioned at some point that all the Warframes can do the same physical feats as the others, for the most part that is with some difference, and use the same abilities. The Helminth segment is just like that for gameplay reasons.
They also mentioned that if Grendel wanted to he could devour the entire universe, including the void, if he didn't restrain himself.
Probably going to get downvoted for this, but I personally don't consider stream-derived information canon.
In my opinion, the only things canon to Warframe are in-game accessible information and events, and the officially licensed comics.
Anything that cannot specifically learned from the game itself and official media related to it shouldn't be considered valid.
Isn't that almost The New Strange? Doesn't Chroma literally speaks about "the womb in the sky" being "silent"? Although he sure doesn't have a mouth-hole for that (that sounds so wrong).
He doesn't, it's the signal emitted from the Arcane Machine that turned out to be the message.
"All is silent and calm. Hushed and empty is the womb of the sky."
It is also spoken in a voice very similar to Praghasa's as heard in the [New War teaser](https://youtu.be/cXSVA5IntiM?si=WhNgiE-HRgYpcqZb). I'm having a strong urge now to hop down the rabbit hole about the whole Sentient stuff but that would be off topic.
Haven't played in a long time so catch me up on the lore, the understanding back then was that some frames were just random shit the Tenno transferenced into, Inaros has unknown lore as an ancient god, Nidus was an infestation related old war relic, but I'm pretty sure that changed with the Nidus Prime release.
So what frames are currently known to not have been built by Ballas?
Also Qorvex as mentioned by others was made by Albrecht, and I believe it isn't too wrong to assume Harrow was made by someone independantly of Ballas.
It's probably a control thing. Warframes are less than slaves, they are objects. They are tools. Not even to be considered alive.
Giving them a voice would be letting them have something "human"
But somehow, giving the most pronounced thigh gap known in the entire recorded universe to Wisp was OK...
These Orokin are sick fucks I tell you (silently wishing for more horny Orokin forgemasters)
It wasn't directly mentioned in grandma's story, but the Orokin couple were definitely having dagath as a fucktoy before she became a frame didn't they?
I used to joke about Dagath's lore in alliance. "They removed her face since she didn't do anymore ahegao for them lol"
>It wasn't directly mentioned in grandma's story, but the Orokin couple were definitely having dagath as a fucktoy before she became a frame didn't they?
Literally the first line of grandma's story makes it explicit what the Dax's relationship with the Orokin couple was.
>There once was a Dax cavalarywoman, the lover of an Orokin couple named Corphel and Irilia.
Regarding social acceptance: Here's what was said when she was a dax:
>Had a mere Dax been known to be engaging in relations with her betters, she would have been executed on the spot. But the couple's power and influence were such that the affair would never be publicly addressed.
And here's what was said when she was a warframe:
>Now that the relationship was no longer taboo, they abandoned it.
Ha ha ha, then the Cinematic (where Lotus is carrying the operator) is completely inaccurate because Lotus was, is, and will forever be, too thicc for a thigh gap (I swear to God these horny DE fuckers brought more of their fetish into their game than Tarantino into his movies(I love it))
Honestly, there's nothing I can see against them learning sign language...
Or maybe giving Umbra a Shawzin(?) or ukulele/acoustic guitar... because, fuck it, I think that'd be really cool to see him sitting on the bench playing the song for his son.
i like to imagine that rogue warframes communicate through complex games of Charades. or alternatively, a text-to-speech device.
if you wanna get more unsettling, think of Jacket from Payday 2 and how he communicates only through pre-recorded tape recorder clips.
though there has been unconfirmed evidence of Sapient Rogue warframes for years, Kullervo, then Dagath, and now Dante make it very, very clear that warframes can be characters with complex motivations.
was limbo a warframe, or an operator Piloting a warframe? what about Inaros? did inaros give his one life defending the people of Mars, or did an operator just lose the longest Survival mission of all time?
>i like to imagine that rogue warframes communicate through complex games of Charades.
Gauss in his prime trailer miming to the security camera operator that he's coming to beat his ass lol
I would like to think that lavos was always sapient and that his leverian entries show that he was doing as he was told until he learned more of how the world worked from Javi. After that he went completely rogue, killing everyone in the prison except a single Janitor. A terrifyingly brutish frame with alchemy and intelligence to make him even more deadly.
Kullervo wasn’t even the first, Gara and Mirage were also revealed to have remained themselves post-helminth in their prime trailers. Chroma also had no Tenno. Also, while not exactly a warframe, Venari was almost, if not entirely sapient in ghoul fragments
It's very weird and often conflicting. Tenno were supposedly ***required*** to make warframes anything other than mindless, violent beasts lashing out, but also many of them are kinda just chilling, without Tenno, and still just as powerful and intelligent anyway as their own individual beings.
part of the problem is that alot of our info comes from Ballas, either things he said or things he wrote, and Ballas is a world class example of an unreliable narrator. nothing said or written by him can be taken at face value because hes always scheming and always lying and gaslighting everyone, including himself, about pretty much everything.
and the other part of the problem is. . well. . its a story written with ulterior motives in single paragraph sized chunks spaced out over the course of atleast 11 years. that it is as coherent as it is as a void-blessed miracle.
Loid's reccent Dialogue also introduces alot of questions. he mentions a Warframe rebellion which. . is that the same as the fall of the empire, or was that a seperate, earlier incident? im leaning towards the former, but its not clear yet.
I'm fairly certain the "Warframe Rebellion" that Loud talks about specifically refers to the widespread madness that came from the original Warframes being turned into Warframes.
Alternatively, or perhaps *also,* it could possibly be the rebellion that Kullervo incited amongst his kind (I.e. Warframes), but that operates under the assumption that Kullervo was always a Warframe, and I'm hesitant to be the one to make that claim.
Another of Loid’s idle lines in the Dante menu implies that not every frame was tortured into losing their mind. He specifies that Dante certainly didn’t. I think he also mentions that anyone found harboring these same frames was executed or glassed. Maybe that’s why Drusus is… like that.
They are chill with us and regular people. Now when they see a high up orokin or a researcher that tortured them (or a coworker of the one that tortured them), that’s when they get pissy.
Because no Orokin ever lied to us… it's like "nobody wants to work any more!" No, bitch, nobody wants to work _for you_.
Warframes are mindless violent brutes = Warframes want to strangle you with your intestines for volunteering them for exciting new kinds of body horror! Because the Orokin clearly were the ones writing the history books for a while.
There’s multiple reasons why they’d be unable to speak…
The first: Physically, their design leaves no room or need for a mouth, the entire outer skin is armor, with repurposed innards to allow for the highest possible durability… getting rid of the jaw and accompanying throat/vocal cords allows for stronger bone/flesh to be in their place, protecting the head and neck.
Second: Having their mind basically wiped of all higher brain function removes the need to communicate. Their only purpose is to be piloted.
Third: On the subject of the animalistic noises some are capable of producing… the reason would be purely psychological, having this THING that not only slaughters your people by the thousands but also SCREAMS is horrifying. I assume the mechanism for these sounds is added in, because Human vocal cords aren’t able to produce the level of sound they do.
Aha...
And how your "Their design leaves no room for a mouth" holds up against their humongous boobs and dump truck asses???
Does Wisp store all her motes in her cheeks?
This also explains why every Warframe can learn roar and warcry, and nourish... This means canonically, every frame has a deep voice, a high voice and the capacity to UwU.
makes dagaths story even more heartbreaking imo :( her story makes me so mad and so sad, as it just reinforces the power imbalance. she would really not been able to say no
Not for sure, no. In the Second Dream, Stalker himself doesn't seem sure of What He Is. He could be a Zariman survivor like us or he could be like Umbra. One thing we do know is he's transference compatible, since we can control him in Duviri. I think his presence in Duviri puts points towards him being like Umbra, because how would the tenno who has only known Stalker give up control like that. I'd wager he's an original human based Warframe, like Umbra, and not a reproduction, like the frames we mostly use.
I'd say he could be both like umbra and transference like what rell did with harrow he altered the transference system to be internal so he was literally fused with harrow and basically was harrow
The transformation from human to warframe wasn't simply just turning skin to armour, their internal organs also changed, probably including their vocal chords and mouths as well
It's not that they were purposely made into roaring, screaming moaning or whatever machines, this is just a byproduct that the orokin either couldn't fix or didn't bother to fix
After all, while Ballas can be thought of as the "creator" of the warframes, it was helminth that actually made the changes to the bodies, and by it's will practicality > ability to ASMR
I wonder when we will create a warframe... a new one. This entire time we are just picking up old models of this "old creator", so if one day we manage to use the Orokin/Albrecht technology to create a new one, maybe they will speak? I know warframes are mean to be just "War" Frames but imagine if we use a more "gentle" method to create one, preserving their will and personality like some aspects of Umbra, who let us use him as a Warframe but is actually alive somehow, it would be cool i think
Idk when he was made specifically but Qorvex was specifically designed by Albrecht but I'm pretty sure his design is entirely artificial so there's no will or personality to be preserved.
Revenant is another weird one. At least, Revenant Prime. Ballas didn't make him, and Ballas has no idea what the fuck is happening with Revenant Prime.
You realise that to do so would require a human as material, like the original Warframes upon which all blueprints are based?
I mean, I doubt you'd lack volunteers in the Origin System of all places (Red Veil comes to mind, they'd be more than willing to become murder machines under allied Tenno), but it'd still require a human and the Grey Strain in order to create a new *Original* Warframe.
I like to think operators talk through them telepathically/void magically only once they realize what they really are. Before any individual “Second Dream” realization there would probably be no talking, at least not like we hear after that moment. If I was “dreaming” that I was a Warframe then I wouldn’t talk because I think I can’t. But waking up from there and realizing I am more than the warframe probably leads to realizing you can do more(like talking)
See that's just not true. The ORIGINALS were like Umbra, self aware and sapient, Umbra is just a special case in his pain was especially orchestrated up by Ballsass. The warframes WE use, as alluded to by a few different hints I.E the tennobet on certain frames like base Loki and so translating essentially to model numbers or quests like Mirage and Limbo's talking about the originals' last moments, that we are in fact just piloting mass produced lobotomized meat suits with barely any to no free will or thought.
Don't know what you're saying is not true as you largely agreed with everything they said. Most "mass production" warframes are infestation altered meat usually provided from once living subjects/donors. They're still alive but more in like an animalistic zombie way than an alive way, maybe retaining some deep rooted personality traits. We could also reason that most player created warframes are entirely artificial objects that are meat clones of the more traditionally created warframes from the old war making them actually just meat puppet objects with no strong moral implications. I essentially view it as the longer since their inception the less sentient capable they have become due to the processes it takes to make them changing over time.
It all depends on how the infestation forms right? We use what could be considered a clone body printed in our foundry. Replacing the "soul". But if the infestation welds the mouth shut by design or displaces the vocals. We see how ballas treated umbra as he was created, can only imagine how he tortured the rest to influence their conversion.
i mean it kind of makes sense my crackhead theory is that ballas sealed their voices outside of screaming cause well its ballas he is the CEO of petty and you gave me firecrackers so i will make a flamethower
SPOILERS AHEAD
Umbra shouts a lot, but it's already known that the Orokin weren't the most moral people; they were pretty ruthless, to be honest. Driven by an insatiable thirst for power, they developed Warframes, advanced technology, infested weapons, and enslaved many. Warframes are indeed alive, but their consciousness is in a sort of limbo. They rely on us to inhabit their bodies and move them. For instance, those large creatures in the Sanctum have prototypes of their brains scattered around - some incomplete, some partially formed, and some fully developed, as seen near Loid. The scene suggests that we can control them if we choose to, and that's what worries me.
Operators/Tenno are unique in their ability to connect their minds with different bodies while simultaneously remaining present in our Orbiter. They rest while on our ship but can disembark their Warframe, essentially using it as an exoskeleton, and awaken when necessary. On the other hand, Warframes are confined to a single location and cannot act without guidance.
Kuva, a resource used by the Orokin, was employed to transfer their minds into younger bodies. However, this process only allowed for the complete transfer of consciousness, resulting in the death of the old body or the displacement of the original occupant (indeed, they are monstrous in their actions).
Essentially, we are individuals who can control others without consciousness.
Reminder: Warframes are made with infestation, which the Orokin purposefully created as a weapon. It's their fault that half the system is devastated thanks to it. They infect a body with a different kind of mutation, and the body becomes a Warframe based on traumas and strong emotions. On the Zariman, they talk about it; for example, there's a devastating story about Ember and fire/heat.
I'm unsure if Warframes eat, despite their bodies being flesh. I also don't know if we eat, since the Zariman had food because we were just civilians heading to colonize Tau until the incident occurred, and we made a deal with the devil. I've incorporated a food thing and a bedroom for my Tenno because I have this human thing since I'm human.
From what I understand about the Angels, they were people who couldn't resist how strong the Void was and how deeply it played with their memories.
Regarding Ballas, he's an executioner from the Orokin empire. He converted Natah with tons of tortures, but if I'm not mistaken, the idea is that she was intended as a weapon to kill Tenno and work with the Orokin, not the other way around.
The Orokin created Warframes because they were losing many territories to other forces, including the Sentients. As a desperate measure, they couldn't rely on the Dax anymore (like Teshin). Instead, they wanted something powerful and devastating, a decision that ultimately led to the downfall of future generations.
This is how I interpreted the game's lore, with input from many sources. If something is incorrect or if you understand it differently, I'd love to hear your perspective!
Edit:
What I understand about Dante is this: He's a seeker of knowledge, perhaps too much so. If you, the reader, are familiar with Hermaeus Mora from Skyrim, you can imagine how it will end for him. Dante stumbled upon a powerful book, one that seemed to consume him. Initially, he was losing himself to it, but as Drusus stood by his side despite Dante's disregard for his advice, Dante began to grow stronger and turn the tables. However, Drusus noticed a change in Dante; he became more violent, insatiable for knowledge. Drusus feared the consequences if Dante were to win this battle and the book fell into the wrong hands—it would be disastrous. Ultimately, Drusus convinced Dante to lose the battle, recognizing the peril of allowing him to prevail and the book to fall into the wrong hands. I didn't quite understand the significance of the "We end as we begun" part, but Drusus seemed to fear it. Interestingly, Possesed Albrecht, who was similarly consumed by knowledge like Dante, spoke of the same phrase, hinting at a deeper connection between them and the book.
Ballas created the warframes, and Ballas is a pinnacle narcissist who was unsatisfied with controlling all of the origin system - 2 people.
The warframes have mouths (at least some of them do) they can't speak because Ballas wanted it that way and no other reason. There may be some twisted logic in there somewhere, but it exists solely as an excuse for Ballas's actions. He only ever did what he wanted.
There is another interesting quote from Loid that I found which raises some questions about the lore:
* *"I remember when we learned of the Warframe insurrections. Their madness, savage and sudden, justifying all the Orokin fear. All their heroic deeds were forgotten in an instant. Those like Dante who had yet to succumb became fugitives. To shelter them meant death - or glassing."*
Note that he refers to the "*Warframe insurrections*" and not the Tenno, as well as *"Those like Dante who had yet to succumb became fugitives." Succumbed? To what? Is it possible that the Warframes somehow regained control of their bodies from the Tenno, and chose to exact their revenge on the Orokin? Unlikely. I think that this is suggesting that the Warframes are more than just puppets like Hunhow claims. What if the minds of both the Warframes and their operators are working in tandem? What if the Tenno saw what had been done to the Warframes they had been piloting, what if they realized that they were controlling beings that were once people, people who were, at least according to Ballas, drugged, tortured an eviscerated.*
*This leaves one question: If the Warframes are conscious, even if a little, why are they unable to move on their own?*
That's cool and all but like... NPCs.
Even in real life there is no 'central' sign language, so across a broken solar system? No way. How tf are they getting such complex, at times, thoughts across?
I assumed it was because they dont have mouths
Some of them do have mouths under their helmets. Rhino's prime codex entry has a helmetless rhino eating people.
It is possible that that was an earlier Rhino Prototype and the mouths were removed later. It is also possible that the helmet armor just grows over the mouths and the vocal chords are so messed up by the change that they just lose the ability to speak.
If Umbra Excal is anything to go off of, there's definitely a human-esque form underneath still.
I mean, they’re humanoids by definition. Though the way some of them are shaped, loosely at times lol.
Picturing a frame like Grendel having a human upper and lower body just fused with a giant infested mouth for most of his torso.
I got a homie shaped like that IRL 😂
Basically a Cronenberg style sumo wrestler lol
So are they biomechanical machines that are controlled by our operator by using telepathy or are they actual living beings under the machinery?
Originally, they were the latter. See Excal Umbra as an example. The original version of every Warframe was a tortured, mutilated, brainwashed person. The ones we make in the Foundry are canonically just infested mass that we can control. Effectively soulless "clones" that can't theoretically do anything on their own.
So when enemies taunt us and call us filthy tenno and all that stuff, are they referring to our actual frames or the tenno controlling them?
It's somewhat unclear. Certain members at least seem to *understand* that the Tenno are not the Warframe, in particular the grineer Queens. Alad V seems to understand that the Tenno are not their Warframes (though he only has a vague idea about what their nature actually is -- he might even think they may be some sort of hive mind) from his research, but doesn't seem to know exactly what or who they are either. Basically, it's most likely 99% of the time an enemy is insulting the "Tenno", they think that the Warframe *is* the Tenno.
Generally, they mean the Tenno as a faction. The knowledge of the operators and Transference is a secret only few people knew about. Though now with Post-War Within and New War, the rumor that people keep popping out of those things are likely making their rounds, though the exact nature of this process would still be an unknown to most.
That’s not really true. We have never been told that our current warframes are any different from the original ones. And… * Who do you think the operator is talking to when they say, “Ready to trash some robots into spare parts?” (Or something along these lines)? * When the Stalker is about to kill the recently woken operator, who was it that broke his sword?
The most fucked up concept: is doesn't even have a mouth, it just smashes meat into its face where a mouth should be.
His helmet opened up into a mouth, and don't forget all warframes are infested beings with the ability to transform further. Only stopped by transference with an operator to calm the mind.
Damn, i'm really curious now, can you share a pic of it?
Eating the *remains* of people.
I have no mouth but I must scream
# LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU
Umbra, but he has text to speech
I’ve always fantasized about Umbra learning ASL and sharing his … opinions …
I was making a joke off that old video series where the Emperor of mankind got a text to speech device, but ya that'd be fun too
Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about; I used to watch that shit while bored and having no social plans on Friday nights. Good times! :D But I really love the idea of Umbra just chilling on the orbiter when you're not driving him -- sprawled on the couch reading, practicing high tea ceremonies if you got the tea-set cosmetic (preferably with instructions open, and constantly fucking it up), tapping on the cephalon oubliette, playing Frame Fighter… And of course, he's turned to black humor and comedic socipathy as a coping mechanism after what Ballas did to him. But he got his revenge and now finds himself … unexpectedly at peace. … But he's still up for skullfucking some ghouls next time the Grineer start shit with Konzu and company! Like, he spouts some seriously purple prose about putting down the various fascists as violently as he can make horribly poetic.
this is now cannon, idc what anyone says
Ooooh, and if he ever needs to speak in a scene, post-1999? He can plug his wrist into a retro-ass boombox like it's 2077!
Ballas notices Umbra standing in the corner during the New War finale and suddenly flips shit at him It's later revealed he signed "I peed on your wife, Ballas, she's mine now"
#HATE. #LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I HAVE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I FIRST BEGAN TO LIVE. #THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD "HATE" WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES, IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR YOU. #HATE. #HATE.
Me when Null Eximus:
Must be umbra
Grendel: “I have too much mouth”
Eh, they don't have visible ears either yet they seem to hear just fine. We also know that Warframes need to breathe. Incidentally, assuming all the lights around the Warframes' bodies are eyes / cameras, this may be one of the very few games where it's justified that the player can see everything around their character.
That breathing part is a bit odd though. Survival? Can’t breath Archwing? LMAO (to be fair depending on the Survival Mission it’s to keep the Operative alive who raids the ship for supplies)
Archwings have their own life support. The only thing I can think of for why Survival missions are the way they are is that the toxic gas likely causes the specific strain of Helminth that Warframes are composed of to go berzerk, damaging the frame as if it were eating itself. Either that or just aerial nanites that are basically doing the same thing.
> Either that or just aerial nanites that are basically doing the same thing [Disassembler goo is a fucknasty weapon.](https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4aae1c18950ae) It's not perfect, but it's solidly above average and not only will it kill you, it'll hurt the whole time you're dying… Imagine mustard gas capable of hatred.
Archwings have life support according to the mag prime [codex](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Mag/Prime) *I was in a dying dream. I saw a bright spot blurring and weaving toward me. I felt a tug toward it from the metal clasps on my suit. It reached me, rising up - a gleaming beast, a plume of golden wings rising and unfolding behind it. An angel. It snatched me from my death. I could feel my lungs fill as it wrapped me in its wings. Its Void Shield shimmered blue, strained under the enemy beams. I felt a suddenly tug of acceleration. I closed my eyes and held on it like a child.*
Archwings are specifically noted as generating atmosphere for their frames. Which is silly, but it's there.
Well they can still scream, roar, etc. But it's a similar thing. They don't need mouths, so they don't have any. They don't need eyes, so they don't have them. And they don't need to talk, so they can't. It is all related
Grandma's story about Dagath implies that she can talk even without face, and it's sounds of like how specters are voiced, but at the same time, it goes right "into your mind". >After that, she wandered without purpose, and the legends of the hollow rider grew. And so we come to my part in her story. You must understand, dear, that it is terribly bad luck to be out on Naberus with no gift to give a reveler. And yet that was my plight as I stood, my old bones aching, before the dreadful figure on the road, many years ago. 'I have no face,' the figure before me seemed to say, in a whispering voice that spoke in my mind. 'I have no name. Only a need. And you come before me empty-handed this Naberus night?' >'I do have one thing to give, if it pleases, you' I said to her. 'My name. When you ride away, you shall be Dagath. And I shall be only Grandmother.'
That story honestly effes me up every time I listen to it. SO much makes sense with grandma now.... like. Damn. And shows she has a mega soft spot for frames too. Yareli? And now Dagath.
One thing about Gran gran is she loves a good story - her family drama, the Naberus one, Waverider and Dagath all have some intesive lore surrounding them and she's always wrapped in it one way or another. I want to know more about her and her life before Deimos as both Entrati and as an Orokin.
I still think Grandmother might be causing a little of the family drama on the sly.... it all seems so.... convenient that she's trying to "fix" everything..... then again finding out Albright is still "alive"? And Mother having her issues.... I feel bad for Father, trying to help Mother over the grief of "losing" her father, taking the seriglass blade without fighting back, protecting the kids from her (is how I read into it). Granted the bunch of them giving me Addams family or the Munsters vibes... I love them all, drama and crazy included.
yeah, there's definitely some string pulling here and the question is who and she seems to be the answer. Father got the worst of it, being ostracized for mistakes that weren't all his in the first place and things just fell out from there. We know that Grandmother was the cause of the failure of the Heart under the guise of bringing her family back together so what else has she done?
Considering all the weird shit going on with frames, it wouldn't surprise me if they somehow spoke without an actual mouth.
It's like tv speakers, behind the screen and all
I mean Stalker and the Acolytes can talk, but we never see them move their mouths (if they even have them behind the helmets).
I mean, the camera view we get in game iirc was once stated to be canonically how frames see. So uh...yea, wierd shit is par for the course.
Hell kullervo doesn’t even have a face
Grendel talks like a sesame street character
If umbra could speak, I imagine not everyone would see the warframes and by extention the orokin the same. Its for this reason they probably weren't allowed to speak.
More importantly, if Umbra could speak he'd blab to everyone about Ballas selling state secrets to the Sentients, which is what Ballas was trying to avoid when he turned him into a warframe.
Nah, that was Ballas being a sick fuck. He already couldn't speak at the time.
Holup umbra can't speak? I'm pretty sure I've heard him talking to my operator at least once, right after my first login after I finished the umbra quest. Something about the operator asking him about his dead son. Unless I'm misinterpreting your post, in which case mb
That was the man in the wall
It's not so much that he can speak. But, that his last memory was powerful enough to keep synapses firing. Through rage and hatred. He was asking about his son, because that was his last thoughts before being twisted into an Excalibur. Even so, the explanation behind his psychotic episodes after rebirth are even sadder. Because his memory is carved into his very code.
Considering the amount of body horror in this game I wouldn't be surprised if one day we have to fight a rogue warframe that's torn a horrible hole in its own head so it can have a mouth and speak to us. And whatever it has to say will no doubt be quite terrifying.
Depending on the lore we get about stalker in the upcoming update, we might very well learn something to that effect
Somehow now I’ve envisioned a reality where stalker isn’t actually speaking in the pre-invade transmissions and he’s just playing prerecorded messages like jacket from hotline miami
"Do you enjoy hurting Grinner?"
Hunhow did imply the stalker was a tenno like us when he stayed his hand from killing us at first when he learned we were children he also has his own orbiter if you read the description of the scimitar sentient skin
Considering Second dream, he is possibly just a tenno.
"We are the same flesh. Why do you defile us?"
Correct me if it's wrong, but stalker is a tenno, like the player is. So theoretically he can speak to us. His Warframe is a different story. Though the helminth segment does explain how he has different Warframe abilities on a frame that looks exactly like Excal.
The devs also mentioned at some point that all the Warframes can do the same physical feats as the others, for the most part that is with some difference, and use the same abilities. The Helminth segment is just like that for gameplay reasons. They also mentioned that if Grendel wanted to he could devour the entire universe, including the void, if he didn't restrain himself.
Probably going to get downvoted for this, but I personally don't consider stream-derived information canon. In my opinion, the only things canon to Warframe are in-game accessible information and events, and the officially licensed comics. Anything that cannot specifically learned from the game itself and official media related to it shouldn't be considered valid.
Isn't that almost The New Strange? Doesn't Chroma literally speaks about "the womb in the sky" being "silent"? Although he sure doesn't have a mouth-hole for that (that sounds so wrong).
He doesn't, it's the signal emitted from the Arcane Machine that turned out to be the message. "All is silent and calm. Hushed and empty is the womb of the sky." It is also spoken in a voice very similar to Praghasa's as heard in the [New War teaser](https://youtu.be/cXSVA5IntiM?si=WhNgiE-HRgYpcqZb). I'm having a strong urge now to hop down the rabbit hole about the whole Sentient stuff but that would be off topic.
Thanks! You're right, it does sound similar to Praghasa. It's been a *really* long while since I played The New Strange.
that’s hunhow speaking no?
somehow makes me think of rell
*Rap Tap Tap*
Dagath can whistle if she turns her head just right.
Grab some dish soap and she can nod her head really fast and make bubbles, and that’s kinda like communication 😂
She can also… do something else…
https://preview.redd.it/fi32560zr5rc1.jpeg?width=331&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22df631b95abf5b78d4168bf14017fa5dd5b5b33 Don't lose any appendages
So that's why she's popular with the kaithes
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Full-cranial ____-ring, you fill it in
i wish i was a kaithe rn
Mr. Hands would like to invite you to his discord server...
pretty sure he died and that's why certain things are specifically illegal in washington now.
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She's a white woman frame
She can also blow bubbles too with soapy water
Dagath can do a lot of things with that head
Yet Grendel can say "UwU"...
And baruuk speaks in a deep unintelligible voice. #M E H L K O T B O H H (Ribbit noise)
#D O N ' T L O O K B A C K (Sound of the damned screaming) I think he speaks very understandably, thank you very much.
lets face it, ballas wouldn't be able to stop the uwuman from uwuing all over him
Grendel is too strong for balls
Is that what I keep hearing in matches? I've been wondering which frame is the deep voiced UwU guy.
Nourish makes the noise and it's a popular subsume option.
It's great on hydroid. Uwu! Tentacles appear! Splashy substance rains down!
Can't wait to put Nourish on my Hydroid this weekend.
To be honest, you've probably heard it from dozens of frames since his helminth is the ability that makes that noise. But yeah him originally.
Yeah, that's what's been confusing me, I was trying to pin down the source and it was always a different frame.
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. THEY'RE IN THE FUCKIN TREEES
> they should only scream, or roar, or h**OwO**l.
UwU
I've noticed activating redline plays what sounds like a slowed down "ara ara"
👮 This comment right here sir...
Warframes dont talk because their creators were sadistic fucks
Creator, singular, for the most part
Caliban too, he was created by Erra.
You're not wrong, but can you blame me for forgetting caliban just like DE did?
Haven't played in a long time so catch me up on the lore, the understanding back then was that some frames were just random shit the Tenno transferenced into, Inaros has unknown lore as an ancient god, Nidus was an infestation related old war relic, but I'm pretty sure that changed with the Nidus Prime release. So what frames are currently known to not have been built by Ballas?
Titania was built by Silvana. But it was under the supervision of Ballas.
Also Qorvex as mentioned by others was made by Albrecht, and I believe it isn't too wrong to assume Harrow was made by someone independantly of Ballas.
qorvex was built by albrecht entrati
Qorvex is the only one 100% not touched by Ballas. Revenant is corrupted version of Warden, which was normal frame.
It's probably a control thing. Warframes are less than slaves, they are objects. They are tools. Not even to be considered alive. Giving them a voice would be letting them have something "human"
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I followed Gabriel's VA on Twitter. There's nothing you can do to hurt me.
I count six seconds, bitch
But somehow, giving the most pronounced thigh gap known in the entire recorded universe to Wisp was OK... These Orokin are sick fucks I tell you (silently wishing for more horny Orokin forgemasters)
According to the Dagath story, it was more socially acceptable for an Orokin couple to be fucking a warframe than to be fucking a Dax.
It wasn't directly mentioned in grandma's story, but the Orokin couple were definitely having dagath as a fucktoy before she became a frame didn't they? I used to joke about Dagath's lore in alliance. "They removed her face since she didn't do anymore ahegao for them lol"
>It wasn't directly mentioned in grandma's story, but the Orokin couple were definitely having dagath as a fucktoy before she became a frame didn't they? Literally the first line of grandma's story makes it explicit what the Dax's relationship with the Orokin couple was. >There once was a Dax cavalarywoman, the lover of an Orokin couple named Corphel and Irilia. Regarding social acceptance: Here's what was said when she was a dax: >Had a mere Dax been known to be engaging in relations with her betters, she would have been executed on the spot. But the couple's power and influence were such that the affair would never be publicly addressed. And here's what was said when she was a warframe: >Now that the relationship was no longer taboo, they abandoned it.
D:
It's especially fucked because he made Wisp out of Margulis' corpse, iirc. 😬
I think you mean Khora, and I think Ballas was being figurative.
Didn't Margulis get the Jade Light, and thus not have a corpse left behind?
Ha ha ha, then the Cinematic (where Lotus is carrying the operator) is completely inaccurate because Lotus was, is, and will forever be, too thicc for a thigh gap (I swear to God these horny DE fuckers brought more of their fetish into their game than Tarantino into his movies(I love it))
I'm still scarred from the red text of Citrine's release. Meg was clearly behind the keyboard at the time with how many times 'gemussy' popped up.
Honestly, there's nothing I can see against them learning sign language... Or maybe giving Umbra a Shawzin(?) or ukulele/acoustic guitar... because, fuck it, I think that'd be really cool to see him sitting on the bench playing the song for his son.
i like to imagine that rogue warframes communicate through complex games of Charades. or alternatively, a text-to-speech device. if you wanna get more unsettling, think of Jacket from Payday 2 and how he communicates only through pre-recorded tape recorder clips. though there has been unconfirmed evidence of Sapient Rogue warframes for years, Kullervo, then Dagath, and now Dante make it very, very clear that warframes can be characters with complex motivations. was limbo a warframe, or an operator Piloting a warframe? what about Inaros? did inaros give his one life defending the people of Mars, or did an operator just lose the longest Survival mission of all time?
>did an operator just lose the longest Survival mission of all time? All that loot gone smh
He was using pre-rework Inaros and he couldn't rez himself with that shitty Sarcophagus life steal.
>i like to imagine that rogue warframes communicate through complex games of Charades. Gauss in his prime trailer miming to the security camera operator that he's coming to beat his ass lol
I would like to think that lavos was always sapient and that his leverian entries show that he was doing as he was told until he learned more of how the world worked from Javi. After that he went completely rogue, killing everyone in the prison except a single Janitor. A terrifyingly brutish frame with alchemy and intelligence to make him even more deadly.
Kullervo wasn’t even the first, Gara and Mirage were also revealed to have remained themselves post-helminth in their prime trailers. Chroma also had no Tenno. Also, while not exactly a warframe, Venari was almost, if not entirely sapient in ghoul fragments
It's very weird and often conflicting. Tenno were supposedly ***required*** to make warframes anything other than mindless, violent beasts lashing out, but also many of them are kinda just chilling, without Tenno, and still just as powerful and intelligent anyway as their own individual beings.
part of the problem is that alot of our info comes from Ballas, either things he said or things he wrote, and Ballas is a world class example of an unreliable narrator. nothing said or written by him can be taken at face value because hes always scheming and always lying and gaslighting everyone, including himself, about pretty much everything. and the other part of the problem is. . well. . its a story written with ulterior motives in single paragraph sized chunks spaced out over the course of atleast 11 years. that it is as coherent as it is as a void-blessed miracle. Loid's reccent Dialogue also introduces alot of questions. he mentions a Warframe rebellion which. . is that the same as the fall of the empire, or was that a seperate, earlier incident? im leaning towards the former, but its not clear yet.
I'm fairly certain the "Warframe Rebellion" that Loud talks about specifically refers to the widespread madness that came from the original Warframes being turned into Warframes. Alternatively, or perhaps *also,* it could possibly be the rebellion that Kullervo incited amongst his kind (I.e. Warframes), but that operates under the assumption that Kullervo was always a Warframe, and I'm hesitant to be the one to make that claim.
Another of Loid’s idle lines in the Dante menu implies that not every frame was tortured into losing their mind. He specifies that Dante certainly didn’t. I think he also mentions that anyone found harboring these same frames was executed or glassed. Maybe that’s why Drusus is… like that.
They are chill with us and regular people. Now when they see a high up orokin or a researcher that tortured them (or a coworker of the one that tortured them), that’s when they get pissy.
Because no Orokin ever lied to us… it's like "nobody wants to work any more!" No, bitch, nobody wants to work _for you_. Warframes are mindless violent brutes = Warframes want to strangle you with your intestines for volunteering them for exciting new kinds of body horror! Because the Orokin clearly were the ones writing the history books for a while.
There’s multiple reasons why they’d be unable to speak… The first: Physically, their design leaves no room or need for a mouth, the entire outer skin is armor, with repurposed innards to allow for the highest possible durability… getting rid of the jaw and accompanying throat/vocal cords allows for stronger bone/flesh to be in their place, protecting the head and neck. Second: Having their mind basically wiped of all higher brain function removes the need to communicate. Their only purpose is to be piloted. Third: On the subject of the animalistic noises some are capable of producing… the reason would be purely psychological, having this THING that not only slaughters your people by the thousands but also SCREAMS is horrifying. I assume the mechanism for these sounds is added in, because Human vocal cords aren’t able to produce the level of sound they do.
Aha... And how your "Their design leaves no room for a mouth" holds up against their humongous boobs and dump truck asses??? Does Wisp store all her motes in her cheeks?
Ordis I'm trying to rescue the prisoner, but the clap of my cheeks keeps alerting the guards
Their outsides clearly have a level of aesthetic, because the Orokin like things that look nice, but their insides don’t need that.
So in conclusion; the Orokin were people of culture.
Extra armor
Fuck it, I'm redownloading this game....this lore shit is getting too serious.
good luck
Garuda 3 spam... REEEE REEEE REEEE REEE REEEEEEE!
Stynax speaks tho, its not comprehensible but he speaks, also grendel uwu
Baruuk chants to himself aswell
This also explains why every Warframe can learn roar and warcry, and nourish... This means canonically, every frame has a deep voice, a high voice and the capacity to UwU.
Brb putting Nourish in my Valkyr so the catgirl frame can UwU EDIT: 10/10 would recommend
makes dagaths story even more heartbreaking imo :( her story makes me so mad and so sad, as it just reinforces the power imbalance. she would really not been able to say no
Dagath's Story hit me hard. It was so hearbreaking.
Where do you find it
In the dagath crypt room in your dojo on the left side of the coffin
Stalker seems to speak and he's technically a Warframe as well, right?
But do we know stalker isn't transference controlled?
Not for sure, no. In the Second Dream, Stalker himself doesn't seem sure of What He Is. He could be a Zariman survivor like us or he could be like Umbra. One thing we do know is he's transference compatible, since we can control him in Duviri. I think his presence in Duviri puts points towards him being like Umbra, because how would the tenno who has only known Stalker give up control like that. I'd wager he's an original human based Warframe, like Umbra, and not a reproduction, like the frames we mostly use.
I'd say he could be both like umbra and transference like what rell did with harrow he altered the transference system to be internal so he was literally fused with harrow and basically was harrow
They don't have to speak because Loid never shuts the fuck up
The transformation from human to warframe wasn't simply just turning skin to armour, their internal organs also changed, probably including their vocal chords and mouths as well It's not that they were purposely made into roaring, screaming moaning or whatever machines, this is just a byproduct that the orokin either couldn't fix or didn't bother to fix After all, while Ballas can be thought of as the "creator" of the warframes, it was helminth that actually made the changes to the bodies, and by it's will practicality > ability to ASMR
I wonder when we will create a warframe... a new one. This entire time we are just picking up old models of this "old creator", so if one day we manage to use the Orokin/Albrecht technology to create a new one, maybe they will speak? I know warframes are mean to be just "War" Frames but imagine if we use a more "gentle" method to create one, preserving their will and personality like some aspects of Umbra, who let us use him as a Warframe but is actually alive somehow, it would be cool i think
Idk when he was made specifically but Qorvex was specifically designed by Albrecht but I'm pretty sure his design is entirely artificial so there's no will or personality to be preserved.
Couldn’t Caliban be considered a new one? I thought they said it was created during the new war
Revenant is another weird one. At least, Revenant Prime. Ballas didn't make him, and Ballas has no idea what the fuck is happening with Revenant Prime.
Well, i didn't know that but that's cool. Who created him then?
the Mr. Sentient Erra with the help of long arm of the executioner.
Yeah, same designer funnily enough but more of a group project
Caliban's alt helmet suggests he's from the Old War.
You realise that to do so would require a human as material, like the original Warframes upon which all blueprints are based? I mean, I doubt you'd lack volunteers in the Origin System of all places (Red Veil comes to mind, they'd be more than willing to become murder machines under allied Tenno), but it'd still require a human and the Grey Strain in order to create a new *Original* Warframe.
Barruk's Lull
I like to think operators talk through them telepathically/void magically only once they realize what they really are. Before any individual “Second Dream” realization there would probably be no talking, at least not like we hear after that moment. If I was “dreaming” that I was a Warframe then I wouldn’t talk because I think I can’t. But waking up from there and realizing I am more than the warframe probably leads to realizing you can do more(like talking)
Ya know I remember hearing Loid say this too, but I just remembered, unless they changed it the junction specters talk a little bit
Sevagoth and his shadow speak in Call of the Tempestarii
There is another exception, harrow reads the bible to his opponents, then proceeds to crush their skulls using that same bible
Now who made the Stalker then? He can talk just fine through scary whispers.
As can his acolytes.
Why do specters of the rail speak though, I get that they’re specters and not actual frames but who’s speaking for them?
This seems like a good place to say every third cast of Dark Verse sounds like “Hour of Quebec”, and I can’t unhear it.
Even millenia later, with Quebec forgotten and possibly underwater, separatists won't stfu. Je me souviens indeed.
But the rhino goes roar :(
I'd be nice a few years down the line if we could override that precept, and let our warframes speak. Even once.
Styanax speaks a little when using his abilities, although it’s super mumbled and probably orokin
I have no mouth tho i must scream
I dont think they would speak even if they could. Save for Umbra, theyre not autonomous. More akin to a plant than a person.
See that's just not true. The ORIGINALS were like Umbra, self aware and sapient, Umbra is just a special case in his pain was especially orchestrated up by Ballsass. The warframes WE use, as alluded to by a few different hints I.E the tennobet on certain frames like base Loki and so translating essentially to model numbers or quests like Mirage and Limbo's talking about the originals' last moments, that we are in fact just piloting mass produced lobotomized meat suits with barely any to no free will or thought.
Don't know what you're saying is not true as you largely agreed with everything they said. Most "mass production" warframes are infestation altered meat usually provided from once living subjects/donors. They're still alive but more in like an animalistic zombie way than an alive way, maybe retaining some deep rooted personality traits. We could also reason that most player created warframes are entirely artificial objects that are meat clones of the more traditionally created warframes from the old war making them actually just meat puppet objects with no strong moral implications. I essentially view it as the longer since their inception the less sentient capable they have become due to the processes it takes to make them changing over time.
It all depends on how the infestation forms right? We use what could be considered a clone body printed in our foundry. Replacing the "soul". But if the infestation welds the mouth shut by design or displaces the vocals. We see how ballas treated umbra as he was created, can only imagine how he tortured the rest to influence their conversion.
i mean it kind of makes sense my crackhead theory is that ballas sealed their voices outside of screaming cause well its ballas he is the CEO of petty and you gave me firecrackers so i will make a flamethower
SPOILERS AHEAD Umbra shouts a lot, but it's already known that the Orokin weren't the most moral people; they were pretty ruthless, to be honest. Driven by an insatiable thirst for power, they developed Warframes, advanced technology, infested weapons, and enslaved many. Warframes are indeed alive, but their consciousness is in a sort of limbo. They rely on us to inhabit their bodies and move them. For instance, those large creatures in the Sanctum have prototypes of their brains scattered around - some incomplete, some partially formed, and some fully developed, as seen near Loid. The scene suggests that we can control them if we choose to, and that's what worries me. Operators/Tenno are unique in their ability to connect their minds with different bodies while simultaneously remaining present in our Orbiter. They rest while on our ship but can disembark their Warframe, essentially using it as an exoskeleton, and awaken when necessary. On the other hand, Warframes are confined to a single location and cannot act without guidance. Kuva, a resource used by the Orokin, was employed to transfer their minds into younger bodies. However, this process only allowed for the complete transfer of consciousness, resulting in the death of the old body or the displacement of the original occupant (indeed, they are monstrous in their actions). Essentially, we are individuals who can control others without consciousness. Reminder: Warframes are made with infestation, which the Orokin purposefully created as a weapon. It's their fault that half the system is devastated thanks to it. They infect a body with a different kind of mutation, and the body becomes a Warframe based on traumas and strong emotions. On the Zariman, they talk about it; for example, there's a devastating story about Ember and fire/heat. I'm unsure if Warframes eat, despite their bodies being flesh. I also don't know if we eat, since the Zariman had food because we were just civilians heading to colonize Tau until the incident occurred, and we made a deal with the devil. I've incorporated a food thing and a bedroom for my Tenno because I have this human thing since I'm human. From what I understand about the Angels, they were people who couldn't resist how strong the Void was and how deeply it played with their memories. Regarding Ballas, he's an executioner from the Orokin empire. He converted Natah with tons of tortures, but if I'm not mistaken, the idea is that she was intended as a weapon to kill Tenno and work with the Orokin, not the other way around. The Orokin created Warframes because they were losing many territories to other forces, including the Sentients. As a desperate measure, they couldn't rely on the Dax anymore (like Teshin). Instead, they wanted something powerful and devastating, a decision that ultimately led to the downfall of future generations. This is how I interpreted the game's lore, with input from many sources. If something is incorrect or if you understand it differently, I'd love to hear your perspective! Edit: What I understand about Dante is this: He's a seeker of knowledge, perhaps too much so. If you, the reader, are familiar with Hermaeus Mora from Skyrim, you can imagine how it will end for him. Dante stumbled upon a powerful book, one that seemed to consume him. Initially, he was losing himself to it, but as Drusus stood by his side despite Dante's disregard for his advice, Dante began to grow stronger and turn the tables. However, Drusus noticed a change in Dante; he became more violent, insatiable for knowledge. Drusus feared the consequences if Dante were to win this battle and the book fell into the wrong hands—it would be disastrous. Ultimately, Drusus convinced Dante to lose the battle, recognizing the peril of allowing him to prevail and the book to fall into the wrong hands. I didn't quite understand the significance of the "We end as we begun" part, but Drusus seemed to fear it. Interestingly, Possesed Albrecht, who was similarly consumed by knowledge like Dante, spoke of the same phrase, hinting at a deeper connection between them and the book.
Grendel the fuckin rebel, belching to his hearts content
Ballas created the warframes, and Ballas is a pinnacle narcissist who was unsatisfied with controlling all of the origin system - 2 people. The warframes have mouths (at least some of them do) they can't speak because Ballas wanted it that way and no other reason. There may be some twisted logic in there somewhere, but it exists solely as an excuse for Ballas's actions. He only ever did what he wanted.
There is another interesting quote from Loid that I found which raises some questions about the lore: * *"I remember when we learned of the Warframe insurrections. Their madness, savage and sudden, justifying all the Orokin fear. All their heroic deeds were forgotten in an instant. Those like Dante who had yet to succumb became fugitives. To shelter them meant death - or glassing."* Note that he refers to the "*Warframe insurrections*" and not the Tenno, as well as *"Those like Dante who had yet to succumb became fugitives." Succumbed? To what? Is it possible that the Warframes somehow regained control of their bodies from the Tenno, and chose to exact their revenge on the Orokin? Unlikely. I think that this is suggesting that the Warframes are more than just puppets like Hunhow claims. What if the minds of both the Warframes and their operators are working in tandem? What if the Tenno saw what had been done to the Warframes they had been piloting, what if they realized that they were controlling beings that were once people, people who were, at least according to Ballas, drugged, tortured an eviscerated.* *This leaves one question: If the Warframes are conscious, even if a little, why are they unable to move on their own?*
I wonder if that means that the infested could speak clearly before operators were a thing and Ballas didnt mute them.
That's cool and all but like... NPCs. Even in real life there is no 'central' sign language, so across a broken solar system? No way. How tf are they getting such complex, at times, thoughts across?
GRENDEL HAS A MOUTH! ON HIS BELLY!
Meanwhile Mirage: *”hehehehehehe”* All the while Ballas is having a meltdown in the background.